Trumbo off the scoreboard. Stanton with 4 jacks 490 ft or more. Jesus Christ.

Like I figured..

Seriously, I never hated a team so much because of a fan but fuck Baltimore/Dro ford for being so damn annoying. Really feel like this thread would get more replies if Dro ford didn't spam it will his ridiculous shit constantly.

Just wait til I get started on how awesome the Ravens are going to be this year

Like, I feel bad for you. Maybe you don't have anyone in real life to talk sports with so you go overboard here. I do know for sure, whatever the reason it is sad.

Well maybe we should just make a team pact that his posts don't count and to ignore them. Lol I remember when RDD was all "Omg you guys are way too mean to Droford", thank god that loser is gone, even if he did like to talk about Pokemon.

I may actually like Orioles more now because they're stuck with Droford as a fan and I pity them.

You could probably ask 100 baseball fans which team in American League has most All Stars last 5 years and I'd guess 10 people might say the Orioles

Kind of wish there wasn't an all star game, just all star teams announced at the end of the year, so the season can keep going. I like real baseball games, not this bullshit with a silly stipulation.

I also think the home run derby while "fun" and "traditional" is stupid as fuck. I don't really care about watching sluggers taking batting practice, if I do that I'll just go to a Jays game early and watch some of their sluggers sock some dingers.

I mean I guess people seem to like it so who am I to judge it, but I want to watch my team play big games.

Well nobody would care because outside of being an enjoyable midseason novelty the all star game is fairly irrelevant.

nice post stima

I love the derby as currently constructed. I enjoy the all-star game just to see guys who I'd otherwise miss out on, like Trout.

Would probably still need some sort of break just because of how long the season is. Agree about MLB should probably get rid of who gets home field for the World Series as a stip. Probably wouldn't have happened if Selig didn't panic when his former team had a miserable ending to their All-Star game.

If any sport would really benefit without an actual all-star game, it would be the NFL. Pretty much a very watered down version of regular games except happens after the season is over and most players not caring besides the extra pay check for gettign named an all-star.

Kinda curious as to why there's a DH in a National league ball park for the All-Star game.

Was that some kind of change I missed a while back?

They alternate home teams each year regardless of ballpark. It's why the American League players are wearing home whites.

I don't really mind the designated home team changing but it seems dumb that they can't at least have the NL sit in the dugout the Padres would normally be in. Myers and Pomeranz can't even use their real lockers.

Lol a fair point.

Pomeranz shouldn't be getting to comfortable though. He's likely getting dealt.

Christ, a musical performance in the middle of the game....fuck this.

Gonna have to stop AGAIN to sing God Bless America as well I'm guessing.

Just get it over with and instead of a game, air a U2 concert with them singing the National Anthem on a loop for 4 hours.

Haha I love "get off my lawn" Frank. I agree that the song was a bit much with the cheese.

This David Ortiz love fest is funny. Guy has knowingly failed a ped test, and while that test should've remained private, he failed it nonetheless. But you'd never know with how propped up he is.

Wonder how many pokemon RDD has in Pokémon Go. Probably like 100 already.

heyyyyyyy its Big Papi, look at that smile, he could never do anything wrong.

btw a guy doing what hes doing at his age should be tested on a weekly basis. You know how we know a guy like Jr Griffey didn't do PED's? Cuz at the end of his career he sucked balls.

Now that hes got so much free time from not posting here i'm sure its in the thousands.

D-Backs really picked that jersey out of the 12000 combinations they have available? Looks like f'n onsie silk pajamas.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo...gyrqo1_500.gif

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/...yoral-race.gif

Man....can't wait until we stop the game to hear a 15 minute sermon from Bishop Carmichael.

I hope the Orioles give Ortiz a broken phone

:( Griffey Jr. Pretty much got cursed once he took the Reds deal.

Probably would have shattered the HR record if he staid healthy long enough and not have PEDs be the main talking point about the record because of Bonds and A-Rod.

Andrew Miller sucks

They always say they can't strictly use best record because it creates too many scheduling conflicts. But why not make it so that the league that has the team with the best record at the end of the year gets it? It means the pool of potential World Series Game 1 hosts when the playoffs starts is exactly the same as it would have been under the current format.

Having home field decided by the World Series is just stupid, especially since the game's history supports that leagues go on winning streaks.

Wow. Fuck Terry Collins. It was bad enough losing Cespedes and Thor. But then he goes on a big spiel making sure every team gets into the game and he doesn't even give Familia or Colon one out.

Fucking waste of time.

If the homefield advantage rule weren't tied into this shit, Colon 100% gets into this game because it's FUN. It's supposed to be FUN.

Ugh. I think Bryce Harper was right.

At least Britton dudnt fuck up

Actually you can toss Steven Wright in there too. Yost used him as a last resort because he didn't want to make someone catch a knuckleball. Well shit, seeing him would have been fun. Can't have that.

Bobby the brain Heenan is the vice president of chevy


lame duck all star game

I think Wieters has caught a knuckleball before the Os have a guy in the minors throws a knuckleball probably caught it in spring traibing

Did Papi face punishment for the PED test?

Nope and don't believe anyone else did from those reports and leaks at the time.

As a Canadian, I am deeply offended. Keep that shit out of the anthem. If you wanted to make a statement, do it before singing. Wear a t-shirt. Wear a pin. Wear a hat. Disrespectful idiot.

Agreed. Really distasteful act. Shitting on a country's anthem is pretty deplorable. Like, wtf were they thinking?

The old wild west days.

Bet Yost pulled Big Papi from the game as early as he did to make sure the Ortiz love fest didn't last long enough to take MVP away from Hosmer or Perez.

Or maybe because most guys only grey a few at bats at the all star game each year. Hosmer had two hits including a bomb. It's not like he was undeserving.

Yost also paid to have chan ho Park groove that pitch to Cal Ripken

Should David Ortiz Have Gotten A Standing Ovation At The All Star Game Last Night?

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston...me-last-night/

JA Happ got totally snubbed for the asg Corey kluber may be a former cy young and while his numbers aren't bad, he hasn't had the season of Happ. Friggin idiotic.

Chris Tillman is 12-2 with a solid 3.41 ERA..he should have gone better record than Haap 12-3

Not sure what you're basing that on. Their run prevention is similar. Kluber has a better era+, more strikeouts, k/9, k%. Factoring in just walks, strikeouts and homers, Kluber has Happ beat by over a run. WAR has Kluber with a slight edge, 2.6 to 2.1.

The only thing I could see is the win loss record, which is largely useless. If nothing else their more equal but Kluber has better overall numbers.

No analytics involved, I see a 3.36 era for Happ and a 12-3 record and a 3.61 ERA for Kluber and he's 8-7. Win-loss is not useless. Good indicator of situational pitching. I don't think it's the BEST indicator, but good ERA and great win loss record means all star. He deserved the nod over Kluber, Kluber got it on prior reputation, no doubt in my mind.

Pitching I think is simple, don't need the ridiculous analytics. Good ERA is a damned good indicator to me of a guy pitching well.

.30 run is not much difference. Not enough to say one guy is better than the other. And yes, win loss record is useless. There's no situational context involved. Their records are based largely on their run support. Happ gets nearly 7 runs a night in his favor. Kluber isn't even in the top 40. Give an equal environment they're likely equal or Kluber is slightly better.

It's like Cliff Lee a few years ago had a losing record despite a sparkling era. It wasn't his fault his team didn't score runs.

Homer goggles aren't a gorgeous look, Mr. Dale.

Dale come on lol

Really hope Dale is trolling. If you honestly believe that, Jason Marquis is a hall of famer.

Only thing that is biased is I've seen Happ pitch and he's been fucking great. Kluber's ERA is only .3 better than R.A. Dickey's so your argument is kind of meh on that front. Plus the only time I saw Kluber pitch he got worked. He's obviously good and he's a strikeout artist, but christ what does Happ have to do? The Jays next to Cleveland are the best starting rotation ERA wise in the AL.

I'm allowed to think a great pitcher from my favourite team deserved a nod due his superior winning record along with a better era without being accused of blatant homerism you butthead.

You're telling me a 20 win season isn't a huge accomplishment?

fuck you spilchuk I'll fite you til the death.

And don't get all preachy on me, Im aware a guy can pitch amazingly with a low win/loss record, ie. Felix Hernandez almost all of the time.

And Drebin I looked up Jason Marquis' numbers. He finished his career 5 games over .500 as a pitcher with a 4.61 career ERA. I thing those 2 numbers line up for a very mediocre pitcher.

Compare that to someone like Roy Halladay who finished his career 100 games over .500 as a pitcher. I'm sorry but even though Win/Loss as a pitcher can me misleading, it can be a pretty damned good indicator of good pitching.

Didn't Tilman go to the All Star Game? I swear he was in the line up. If he didn't that is actually pretty dumb too.

Yes. 20 wins isn't some remarkable accomplishment. Because a pitcher has no control of his team scores runs behind him. We've just been preconditioned to think it's great because the media is still behind in what feats are actually great.

And nobody is saying Happ didn't deserve consideration or that you're not allowed to root for him. What people are saying is your logic behind it is incredibly flawed.

You keep citing .3 points in ERA like it's a huge discrepancy. It's not. A third of a run over the long haul is less than 10 runs over 30 starts. It's miniscule.

Kluber is more dominant than Happ. He allows close to the same amount of runs as Happ and his total value is higher than Happ. If you gave him b7 runs of support per game he'd likely have as good a record as anyone.

Not to mention, you said win loss record is a good indicator of situational pitching. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. Than you cite Felix, who's notoriously shafted on run support. Is he and his record not indicative of his ability to situationally pitch?

I brought up Felix to say I get where you're coming from and I understand it's not the be all and end all of pitching.

However, I do believe a win/loss record is indicative of good pitching. It's not the only indicator but certainly an indicator.

For instance, Happ pitched a game in Colorado, it started WAY late because of a rain delay, they were in Colorado and everything was just off. It became evident early that it was going to be a sloppy game with lots of runs scored. Cy Young himself could have pitched that game and gotten hit given the circumstances. Happ pitched 5 innings, gave up 5 runs and won the game because the Jays smashed the other pitcher. I thought Happ did really well given the circumstances of the start, he kept his team in the game against a hard fucking line up in shitty conditions in a bang box and he was better than the other guy.

Jack Morris was known for his situational pitching. If he was staked to a nice lead, he would just pitch strikes and give up scratch runs so he'd have a bit of a higher ERA but he'd still win 20 games... and hell the guy pitched 10 fucking innings in a world series game 7.

I think if you have a pitcher who by the end of his career has an astronomical win/loss record, (300 wins to maybe 150 losses or whatever) you can bet your bottom dollar he a) has won a Cy Young or 2 and b) is a hall of famer.

That doesn't mean a player who doesn't get as much run support as another guy because he played for lots of shitty offensive teams isn't better (As I have mentioned King Felix), but from what I've seen, good pitchers win ball games.

And Drebin's Jason Marquis counter argument is just horrendous. I resent it not being brought forward as terrible :p

A good indicator is something you can objectively apply across the board for any pitcher. Win-loss record is not objective nor unbias. Because it's a context dependant stat.

I can objectively tell you one pitcher induces more strikeouts, limits more walks and homeruns than another. I can tell you one pitcher is better than another at run prevention. Win-loss record will not inducate any of that. It just tells you if a starter went 5 and his team held or gained a lead prior to him exiting the game. It tells you nothing about his overall production. Which is why it's a poor indicator of anything.

Pitchers don't win, Dale. They just pitch. Teams win.

Meh, winners win my friend. I'll agree to disagree. Even Felix Hernandez is 50 games or so over .500 for his career. Yeah there's going to be situations such as Cliff Lee's that you brought up where guys' teams don't hit well, but more often than not, you pitch well, you win more games than you lose.

To your argument and my disdain for being accused of blatant homer-ism, if Chris Tilman was chosen over Happ I wouldn't take issue with it. Kluber got the nod because of prior reputation in my opinion. He was chosen over Sanchez as well which is pretty silly in itself.

Reputation had something to do with it. But not the only thing. He's as good or better than Happ.

Nah. Teams win.

Kluber has a 2.95 FIP, 6th lowest in the league. Happ's is a 4.05, higher than his ERA.

Basically suggests that Kluber has been victimized by a lot of bad luck and Happ has been blessed with great fielding behind him, especially Pillar.

Great point by Vito.

Btw, where'd Gorgeous Dale Newstead go?

I dunno, dude. Marquis had 80 wins in 6 seasons. That's all decade team numbers right there. He was obviously really good. Look at Tha winz!

Vintage 2004 Shawn Estes.

I've missed you, Frank.

I was out for a run. I'm going to find you and make sweet love to both of you, Damian and Frank. Sweet, hateful love.

The same argument was made against Estrada, Vito. And here we have Estrada, with another great season. And I'm not going to disagree with good fielding helping big time. Jays have excellent fielding all over the place. Donaldson has been amazing at third base. Encarnacion and Smoak are stellar at first, and the middle infield really does a nice job.

Only real clunker sometimes is Saunders.

But I'm sorry, you can't blame a guy for having a good defence, surely that's going to factor into the way someone pitches. You're more likely to be aggressive and attack the hitter if you know your defence is gonna make plays.


I CAN DO THIS ALL NIGHT BOYS. WOOOOOOOO!

:kiss:

I'm just loving a good back and forth. Old school vs. New.

BASEBALL!!

You know who was great at attacking hitters? 2003 Ramon Ortiz. Dat was a guy who knew how to win.

I don't think you blame them. But you surely shouldn't, in turn, give them more credit than another guy who isn't as lucky with his supporting cast. Which is why things that are team dependant are silly things to use when trying to figure out who's better and why.

What's with the Dastardly gimmick btw?

lol honestly I just wanted change my name and it stems from a dumb inside joke about alliteration. I'll always be gorgeous tho.

Time catches us all

You know who was a dastardly good winner? Kirk Rueter. 7 straight seasons of double digit wins. That's ace material right there.

I will likely be able to look up those stats and explain to you why you're being a knob and you damned well know it, Frank.

And also, I generally use ERA as my top indicator. Wins/losses is one of the many things I take into account.

What about grit and hustle and the will to win?

and the ability to "put the bat on the ball"

Well that's called hitting. Its like the ability to "put the ball over the plate".

how about the ability to hit it in the clutch?

Delmon Young should've won mvp in 2010 cuz he had 112 RBI and a 298 average.

What was his WAR

2010 was also the year Trevor Cahill won 18 games with a 2.97 era. How did he not win the Cy?

Man, Bronson Arroyo also won 17 games with a 3.88 era that year. So many great pitchers we forget about.

Ruby De La Rosa was a stud last year. Won 14 games. Sure, he had an era of 4.67 and was worth 0.3 WAR, but he knew how to WIN!

2.97 and 18 wins is a good to great season. Are you going to say he didn't have a good season?

Drebin now you're just being a dumbass.

Twas also a fluke. His FIP was over 4. It was a great season but not because of his record.

Chris Sale has a Era of 3.38 and 14 wins. He will probably be the Cy Young winner too this year.

Naw dude. Wins and era. Thats all you need. He wuz great.

K's too.

:(

I miss that guy. Had a great curve.

You saw him in the showers too?

David Wright not winning the 2007 NL MVP over Jimmy Rollins still pisses me off. He's basically the only player on that team that didn't shit the bed during their September meltdown but unfortunately what happened to the team impacted his votes.

Actually Matt Holliday probably deserved it more than Wright even, but playing 81 games in Coors is always going to hurt your chances even if it's not the player's fault.

Yeah Matt Holliday was my pick that year