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Tom Guycott 01-17-2022 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5515351)
with comedy we rob horrors of their power. its imperative that we tear these things down with humour otherwise we make gods of them.
It's a cool axiom, but it also lies against the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence" line in the sand.

Also, again, the source is part of the problem. This is exactly a joke Dave would have buried someone else over. But since it's him saying it, he thought it would go over great. A five star joke. Six if he had said it in the Tokyo Dome.

GD 01-17-2022 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5515354)
But since it's him saying it, he thought it would go over great. A five star joke. Six if he had said it in the Tokyo Dome.
:y::lol:

Destor 01-17-2022 02:03 AM
you have freedom of association and meltzer also has the freedom to be wrong and he has the freedom to be a hypocrite too. its no small coincidence that the rise of poor mental health and the rise of comedy police are perfectly parallel. its a human coping skill that we have evolved over millenia that we have only recently decided should be done away with and we're another millenia away from having a replacement for it and it comes with a body count.

Tom Guycott 01-17-2022 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5515349)
Lets not kid ourselves. 7 stars.
That's only if he were telling it to Kenny Omega. Or maybe even the Young Bucks. Plans change.

Sepholio 01-17-2022 03:03 AM
lmfao accurate

drave 01-17-2022 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5515045)



The temp was not right for Charlotte's plastic.

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 10:31 AM
This whole Meltzer thing is like if a white guy made a joke about black people loving watermelon and then a black guy was like “:roll: Don’t forget fried chicken.”

And then people became outraged… at the black guy.

Bad News Gertner 01-17-2022 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5515344)
I mean it doesn't bother me personally that he said it. But in today's world? Sheeeeit that was about as dumb as it gets. We give Trump shit all the time for the stupid shit he said but not even he has gone this low. Don't act like we all don't know that holocaust jokes are considered the very bottom of the barrel and about the worst thing you can say in public. They have been damn near automatic cancellation for a long time now. Dave being Jewish is why I find his comment to be particularly egregious in that sense; if anyone should know better than to make light of it then it's him.

And Gertner. I love you. A lot. I'd dock with you bro. But there is no way in hell that saying "WWE is having the Elimination Chamber in Saudi Arabia because Auschwitz wasn't available" is anything other than a holocaust joke. A bad joke, but still a joke.

And wtf does Bruce Prichard have to do with this anyways? Fuck that guy too. He needs to retire like 15 years ago. His brother was cooler anyways.
Bruce Prichard started this constant "let's continuously try and play gotcha with Meltzer" garbage with his podcast.

drave 01-17-2022 11:15 AM
And that's how they reinvent their product, and subscriptions.




Next, it'll be how many subscribers leave one for the other. And sadly, it'll be the most interesting thing to happen in all of professional wrestling.

Supreme Olajuwon 01-17-2022 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5515354)
It's a cool axiom, but it also lies against the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence" line in the sand.

Also, again, the source is part of the problem. This is exactly a joke Dave would have buried someone else over. But since it's him saying it, he thought it would go over great. A five star joke. Six if he had said it in the Tokyo Dome.
Do you think it holocost him any subscribers?

Bad News Gertner 01-17-2022 01:31 PM
He wasn't even joking about the Holocaust. It's just faux outrage from people who hate Meltzer.

"The WWE are holding an event in a country that murders their own people and has committed war crimes and atrocities because apparently a place that committed war crimes and atrocities where people were murdered wasn't available. How is that in any way shape or form joking or belittling the Holocaust.

Destor 01-17-2022 01:50 PM
that post has no connection to the holocaust even in passing

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 02:23 PM
The problem is Meltzer was not actually trying to be funny, he was trying to bury WWE. He is so far down that path it clouds his judgment. It is more important to make WWE look bad then be mindful of what comes out of his mouth, to the point where his warped perspective is WWE and the Holocaust are the same level of bad. He did not even realize how wrong that was until outside criticism came, then he issued a half hearted apology to save face. The fact that he said he had family members killed there so it is ok that he said it is further proof that he does not understand why what he said is offensive to other people.

And no it is just not Bruce Pritchard people playing gotcha, it was Jewish Leaders and Organizations that condemned him using THAT to pop his listeners, making them also think that is alright to say.

Mr. Nerfect 01-17-2022 02:37 PM
Meltzer probably thought he could get away with it because he’s Jewish. It’s far from the most tasteless thing anyone has ever said or done, but people are getting fed up with the guy’s shit. So when he makes a comment about women having fake tits (something I defended him for), and a quip using the holocaust to try and prop up a complete non-point (something l’m not because fuck this guy), people are going to call him out for it.

It’s aim and tone. Everybody and their mothers can make the joke about a show called “Elimination Chamber” in Saudi Arabia. Dave tripping over his feet to make that joke and link it to Nazi Germany has got a few people going “Dude…” I mean, common sense would dictate that the show isn’t going to be called that (and likely never was). Because of stuff like this, funnily enough.

Bad News Gertner 01-17-2022 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5515433)
The problem is Meltzer was not actually trying to be funny, he was trying to bury WWE. He is so far down that path it clouds his judgment. It is more important to make WWE look bad then be mindful of what comes out of his mouth, to the point where his warped perspective is WWE and the Holocaust are the same level of bad. He did not even realize how wrong that was until outside criticism came, then he issued a half hearted apology to save face. The fact that he said he had family members killed there so it is ok that he said it is further proof that he does not understand why what he said is offensive to other people.

And no it is just not Bruce Pritchard people playing gotcha, it was Jewish Leaders and Organizations that condemned him using THAT to pop his listeners, making them also think that is alright to say.
I meant the whole "anti Meltzer" stuff began because of Prichard

Mr. Nerfect 01-17-2022 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5515458)
I meant the whole "anti Meltzer" stuff began because of Prichard
He’s certainly given it a bit of wind. I mean, I never paid much attention to Meltzer until about…2015? I always assumed he got some stuff right, some stuff wrong. But I was aware of this “lol at people who trust the dirt sheets mentality.” But I also remember not believing a lot of stuff was like the sheets reported because it just didn’t make sense…and it turned out they were wrong.

Just a long-winded way of saying that I think there was definitely anti-Meltzer sentiments before Prichard, but that’s obviously been a big story in the development of Meltzer’s relationship with the internet crowds.

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5515458)
I meant the whole "anti Meltzer" stuff began because of Prichard
I can fairly say I thought Dave Meltzer was a d-bag LONG before Bruce Prichard said people should be Anti Meltzer.

Sepholio 01-17-2022 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515405)
This whole Meltzer thing is like if a white guy made a joke about black people loving watermelon and then a black guy was like “:roll: Don’t forget fried chicken.”

And then people became outraged… at the black guy.
Your comparison might make sense...if there was someone else (that I guess would have to be non-Jewish) setting Meltzer up for the punchline. There wasn't. It was all him. He did it by himself.

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 05:34 PM
The setup was WWE having a show called “Elimination Chamber” in Saudi Arabia. Meltzer’s joke was a response to that.

Sepholio 01-17-2022 06:04 PM
LOL that's a bit of a stretch and is nowhere near the same thing as what you presented. Comparing WWE having a PPV for the last 20 years called Elimination Chamber to a white guy joking about black people loving watermelon? Are you going for an Xrod gimmick now? Is that what this is?

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515471)
The setup was WWE having a show called “Elimination Chamber” in Saudi Arabia. Meltzer’s joke was a response to that.
Gas Chamber and Elimination Chamber are the same thing, because... Fed Bad?

Supreme Olajuwon 01-17-2022 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5515475)
Gas Chamber and Elimination Chamber are the same thing, because... Fed Bad?
In Germany they don’t call the event “Elimination Chamber” and I bet you’ll never be able to guess why!

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5515474)
LOL that's a bit of a stretch and is nowhere near the same thing as what you presented. Comparing WWE having a PPV for the last 20 years called Elimination Chamber to a white guy joking about black people loving watermelon? Are you going for an Xrod gimmick now? Is that what this is?
You realize WWE themselves changed the name of the PPV in Germany specifically to avoid this issue, right? So they were well aware of the issue with the title in certain settings and decided to hold the event in Saudi Arabia.

Now, you can argue whether people SHOULD be offended by that. But to find offense in the joke made by a Jew in response to it is some insane misplaced outrage.

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 06:21 PM
And what’s this about an “xrod gimmick”!?! You can insult me all you want but if you do it by implying that xrod is anything but a man with a very solid grasp of logic then I’ll have to object!

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5515479)
In Germany they don’t call the event “Elimination Chamber” and I bet you’ll never be able to guess why!
I think you think you are arguing against me, but there is a difference in Germany, the perpetrator, being sensitive to promoting the word chamber, and using the victims as a punchline. Bringing up the Holocaust as a joke to demean the Fed he dislikes because he likes a different Fed better is not a reasonable course of action.

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515480)
You realize WWE themselves changed the name of the PPV in Germany specifically to avoid this issue, right? So they were well aware of the issue with the title in certain settings and decided to hold the event in Saudi Arabia.

Now, you can argue whether people SHOULD be offended by that. But to find offense in the joke made by a Jew in response to it is some insane misplaced outrage.
I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber. That is the comparison Meltzer made. Now he was probably having an issue with the Elimination part of the title, but that is not the comparison he made, and he was rightly criticized.

Lock Jaw 01-17-2022 06:36 PM
Finally had to go look up what this Tweet was..... was gonna write a response, but writing it I realized that I don't actually care, so abandoning the post.

GD 01-17-2022 06:36 PM
Wow! Can't believe that no good Tony Khan tweeted in support of Meltzer :nono:

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5515483)
I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber.
…

I’m obligated by my own rule and a vow to TPWW to pretend that this is a smart observation. So… This is me doing that.

Sepholio 01-17-2022 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5515483)
I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber.
Saudi Arabia has basically turned their whole area of the middle east into one giant Elimination Chamber at one point or another. Look at Yemen rn. They have bombed like 200k people into the next world and blown the whole place to smithereens and are intentionally stopping food and aid from getting in there. Like 10 million people are currently in a famine and at risk of starving to death with another 15 million having very very low food security. Millions of people made homeless. Masses of refugees.

It may not be a gas chamber but lets not be so blind as to pretend Saudi doesn't have an atrociously vile track record.

Sepholio 01-17-2022 08:11 PM
I wonder if maybe WWE changed the EC name in Germany (I think they changed it in 2009, give or take a year) because of the way Germany is continually tightening the laws there around speech regarding the holocaust/Nazis? I believe they were doing a lot of modification to those laws around then doing with how to handle the subject when it was broached by media or on social media. Maybe the figured they would just change it to avoid any potential legal trouble down the line.

Haven't they changed it more than once since then? I think they use "No Escape" now. But I think there was another name for a few years in there somewhere.

Sepholio 01-17-2022 08:15 PM
Serious psa though: If any of you ever go to Germany it is best not to even talk about the holocaust or Nazis. Like if you are on a tour or in a museum or something I imagine it's ok. But otherwise don't even risk it. You can find yourself in trouble in a hurry from the stories I've heard from guys I know who were stationed over there. One of my good friends got in some shit when he was off post drunk one night and made a dumb holocaust joke and the wrong person heard it.

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 08:16 PM
I absolutely understand that atrocities have been committed by SA. That itself is of course worthy of criticism. I need to state that clearly so we don't give anybody here the chance to miss the actual point.

The issue is Meltzer connecting the dots to Auschwitz because of "Chamber". The issue is Meltzer needing so badly to criticize WWE that he did not even consider that bastardizing the Holocaust to take a dig was not going to be received well.

xrodmuc316 01-17-2022 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515488)
…

I’m obligated by my own rule and a vow to TPWW to pretend that this is a smart observation. So… This is me doing that.
This is quickly becoming the new "I have this person and that person blocked, so...". Did you read the rest of that post?

I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber. That is the comparison Meltzer made. Now he was probably having an issue with the Elimination part of the title, but that is not the comparison he made, and he was rightly criticized.

Do not pick one sentence and try to represent it like I did not explain further, you are better than that.

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#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 09:04 PM
We know what this all comes down to.

MELTZER BAD

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 09:06 PM
I heard Meltzer sneezed today.

He clearly did it for the sole purpose of shitting on WWE since Vince hates sneezing.

Vastardikai 01-17-2022 09:28 PM
Herb Abrams invented Meltzer bad, for the record. Went so far as to name a jobber after him.

Supreme Olajuwon 01-17-2022 10:18 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How had I never heard of the time that some dude in a wig (who looks like Dana Carvey) convinced whoever was running the May 19, 1986 WWF MSG card that he was Sammy Hagar and should be allowed in the ring to address the crowd? <a href="https://t.co/eYfShQEyPg">pic.twitter.com/eYfShQEyPg</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/980642949448028160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What

#1-norm-fan 01-17-2022 10:27 PM
I’ve wondered about the story behind that for years.

Tom Guycott 01-17-2022 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515405)
This whole Meltzer thing is like if a white guy made a joke about black people loving watermelon and then a black guy was like “:roll: Don’t forget fried chicken.”

And then people became outraged… at the black guy.
What exactly does Tiger Woods have to do with any of this?

DAMN iNATOR 01-18-2022 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5515509)
I wonder if maybe WWE changed the EC name in Germany (I think they changed it in 2009, give or take a year) because of the way Germany is continually tightening the laws there around speech regarding the holocaust/Nazis? I believe they were doing a lot of modification to those laws around then doing with how to handle the subject when it was broached by media or on social media. Maybe the figured they would just change it to avoid any potential legal trouble down the line.

Haven't they changed it more than once since then? I think they use "No Escape" now. But I think there was another name for a few years in there somewhere.
In 2010, the first year an EC themed PPV was done, Germany retained the No Way Out nomenclature.

GD 01-18-2022 05:51 AM
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DAMN iNATOR 01-18-2022 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5515195)
Did ya'll know that the female background singer on HBK "Sexy Boy" is actually Jimmy Hart. Had no idea.
Me either. And just recently I found out that the Big Show's classic "Big" theme was sung by Michael P.S. Hayes. I was kind of surprised, but only because I wasn't aware he was a singer who had done some stuff quite a while before that.

Sepholio 01-18-2022 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5515577)
In 2010, the first year an EC themed PPV was done, Germany retained the No Way Out nomenclature.
That's right, it was just a random match they used at other PPVs before that wasn't it?

Sepholio 01-18-2022 06:11 AM
Looked it up just now. Apparently it was the law in Germany regarding Nazi imagery that caused them to make the change. Guess it was too close for comfort after all and they didn't want to risk it.

drave 01-18-2022 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5515511)
Serious psa though: If any of you ever go to Germany it is best not to even talk about the holocaust or Nazis. Like if you are on a tour or in a museum or something I imagine it's ok. But otherwise don't even risk it. You can find yourself in trouble in a hurry from the stories I've heard from guys I know who were stationed over there. One of my good friends got in some shit when he was off post drunk one night and made a dumb holocaust joke and the wrong person heard it.

There are quite a few laws that make most mentions of this time period illegal. Possessing items from that time frame is illegal as well.


You, of course, still have the supporters in very weak numbers, but it isn't something that is publicly discussed. Lived there for a few years.

Splaya 01-18-2022 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5515512)
I absolutely understand that atrocities have been committed by SA. That itself is of course worthy of criticism. I need to state that clearly so we don't give anybody here the chance to miss the actual point.

The issue is Meltzer connecting the dots to Auschwitz because of "Chamber". The issue is Meltzer needing so badly to criticize WWE that he did not even consider that bastardizing the Holocaust to take a dig was not going to be received well.
But Meltzer doesn't care. He has his cult following that will always disagree with anything that WWE produces. Like look at his match rating system, there have been some fantastic matches over the past 4-5 years and Meltzer goes "Nah 2 stars" and his fanboys completely agree with him and argue to the death with people about it.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 09:36 AM
It's towards the end. Fucking hilarious.

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Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 09:57 AM
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#1-norm-fan 01-18-2022 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5515543)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How had I never heard of the time that some dude in a wig (who looks like Dana Carvey) convinced whoever was running the May 19, 1986 WWF MSG card that he was Sammy Hagar and should be allowed in the ring to address the crowd? <a href="https://t.co/eYfShQEyPg">pic.twitter.com/eYfShQEyPg</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/980642949448028160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515546)
I’ve wondered about the story behind that for years.
I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.

Mr. Nerfect 01-18-2022 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Splaya (Post 5515599)
But Meltzer doesn't care. He has his cult following that will always disagree with anything that WWE produces. Like look at his match rating system, there have been some fantastic matches over the past 4-5 years and Meltzer goes "Nah 2 stars" and his fanboys completely agree with him and argue to the death with people about it.
Bingo. It’s all marketing. “WWE = bad” sells his newsletters to the people who aren’t happy with WWE. The people who are content with it, or aren’t such hardcore obsessives about it are less likely to engage with a newsletter anyway.

I think Dave has gone too far in that direction, especially when contrasted against praise for AEW (which isn’t as critically well-received as he’ll make out), because I genuinely think it’s locked him out of having sources in the WWE at all. And the AEW guys are so close to him they treat him like a super-fan. He never breaks anything anymore. He’s just got these sycophantic opinions and a bit of a readership who, for some reason, takes them seriously, even though they are demonstrably baseless.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515619)
I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.
Dude, I've actually spoken to Lanny Poffo(he wrestled on the card)about this lol. Nobody knows.

Jordan 01-18-2022 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5515622)
Bingo. It’s all marketing. “WWE = bad” sells his newsletters to the people who aren’t happy with WWE. The people who are content with it, or aren’t such hardcore obsessives about it are less likely to engage with a newsletter anyway.

I think Dave has gone too far in that direction, especially when contrasted against praise for AEW (which isn’t as critically well-received as he’ll make out), because I genuinely think it’s locked him out of having sources in the WWE at all. And the AEW guys are so close to him they treat him like a super-fan. He never breaks anything anymore. He’s just got these sycophantic opinions and a bit of a readership who, for some reason, takes them seriously, even though they are demonstrably baseless.
I used to subscribe to The Observer, for maybe 5 or 6 years, maybe more I don't know. It was really interesting to me for a time but at some point it was obvious that Dave wasn't the "foremost" insider any more and "just an analyst" with a lot of friends in wrestling.

Obviously Meltzer slants towards his audience because in all likelihood it's a dwindling subscription, his board reflects his subscribers and it's quite inactive these days compared to normal. Still much more active than this board but dead for how busy it normally was.

I still have a board account there for some reason even though I haven't paid for years.

I don't even care to read Meltzer's star ratings, it's bullshit anyway. The anime main event NJPW style kinda changed the game and made it impossible to go faster and harder and longer.

I don't know why you guys are always talking about Meltzer like what he says matters. He's just an old wrestling fan who lives on the austisim spectrum and has bad pimples and is like 60.

Lock Jaw 01-18-2022 10:54 AM
Breaking news: "journalists" of an unscrupulous carny business are themselves unscrupulous carnies out to make a buck.

GD 01-18-2022 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5515630)
Breaking news: "journalists" of an unscrupulous carny business are themselves unscrupulous carnies out to make a buck.
Oh my!

XL 01-18-2022 12:45 PM
I mean, yeah.

Reading Noid’s post I couldn’t help think “isn’t this just like all corporate news outlets/YouTube channels? Slanted one way or the other, without expressly stating ‘we are pro-this, or anti-that’, putting out content with a quantity over quality mentality, to a niche audience that just gets pumped for more views/buys?”. The difference between Dave and most tabloid journalists is negligible at this point.

slik 01-18-2022 01:54 PM
very, very, very, very, very accurate


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Mr. Nerfect 01-18-2022 02:31 PM
I don’t think anyone is saying that it’s shocking. But you can still discern with a critical eye something from sources. One of the first things we got taught in school was that everything had a bias. You’ve got to look for what that bias is, then work out whether the things being said are based on evidence.

That doesn’t mean things need to be so blatant. It doesn’t make lying great. And other people doing it doesn’t make it okay.

slik 01-18-2022 02:47 PM
Classic WBF moment


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's better than that. The gimmicks are incorporated INTO THE POSING.<br><br>So Dirty Eddie here comes out with a massive gun. Then he SHOOTS AND KILLS LOADS OF NINJAS.<br><br>Pyro (way too loud) goes off. WHAT THE F**K IS THAT?<br><br>NINJA'S?! <a href="https://t.co/Vz74ZKSZkO">pic.twitter.com/Vz74ZKSZkO</a></p>&mdash; Ash Preston (@TheAshPreston) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAshPreston/status/1483129151695605765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 01-18-2022 03:38 PM
RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing

DAMN iNATOR 01-18-2022 04:22 PM
They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

DAMN iNATOR 01-18-2022 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5515582)
That's right, it was just a random match they used at other PPVs before that wasn't it?
Yep.Survivor Series '02, SummerSlam '03, New Year's Revolution '05 & '06, and No Way Out '08 & '09. I'm guessing since the last 2 I listed took place at a PPV in February, Vince decided giving it its own themed PPV in that month would be "best for business". And yes, I willfully ignored December to Dismember '06 because fuck that match.

Sepholio 01-18-2022 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5515675)
RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5515681)
They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I dunno wtf you are talking about DAMN. I don't know about skiing but Olympic figure skating is a pretty damn big ratings draw. Bet it draws more than every wrestling show for the week from every company combined.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 05:14 PM
Figure skating has to be the #1 watched winter Olympic event

xrodmuc316 01-18-2022 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5515650)
very, very, very, very, very accurate


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LOL that damn Shawn pinning Bret for a 3 count at Wrestlemania 16, what a jerk!

Sepholio 01-18-2022 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5515694)
Figure skating has to be the #1 watched winter Olympic event
Exactly. If it's not it's very close. I could see the finals in hockey being a big draw. Curling (the greatest sport on Earth) is probably right up there too.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5515619)
I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.
Now you've got me on another hunt. Damn you. Tito Santana just responded that he has no recollection. Dan Spivey is the one I need to seek out

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 06:19 PM
Lmao the WWE just filed to trademark the name of a Nazi Commander : Gunther Stark

Sepholio 01-18-2022 06:22 PM
How long before fans give him the salute?

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 06:27 PM
Probably Meltzers fault

slik 01-18-2022 07:00 PM
Von Wagner sounds off

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know what day it is today �� <br><br>Happy Cum Toosday. Be sure to tune in to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWENXT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWENXT</a> tonight.</p>&mdash; Von Wagner (@VonWagnerWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/VonWagnerWWE/status/1483493948672856067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ClockShot 01-18-2022 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5515675)
RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing

Quote:
Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5515681)
They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Hey man. Nathan Chen and Mikaela Shiffrin are a big deal.

But, nothing compares to Bobsled and Curling.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 07:56 PM
Don West's brain cancer came back

Sepholio 01-18-2022 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5515710)
Probably Meltzers fault
I heard it was Bruce Prichard trying to frame him.

Sepholio 01-18-2022 08:16 PM
Damn sad to hear that about Don. Hope they can put it in remission again.

#1-norm-fan 01-18-2022 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5515706)
Now you've got me on another hunt. Damn you. Tito Santana just responded that he has no recollection. Dan Spivey is the one I need to seek out
I feel like only someone from the office would have information on what happened. And it was pre-Prichard. So… I’m worried we’re pretty much out of luck.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 09:54 PM
David Bixenspan has been looking into this for years and if he can't figure it out I probably won't. Finkel would have been perfect if he were alive.

Supreme Olajuwon 01-18-2022 09:57 PM
I found an archived Craphole post that claims it was a rib which honestly makes the most sense.

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 09:59 PM
You can tell security catches on cause they sure rush him out of there

Supreme Olajuwon 01-18-2022 10:00 PM
If it was a rib on Fink, Gorilla, and Lord Alfred, who would all have no idea who Sammy Hagar is, that’s a very funny joke.

slik 01-18-2022 10:10 PM
Sounds like Walter is getting a name change to Gunther

prob getting called up soon

slik 01-18-2022 10:36 PM
ok the name WWE trademarked for Walter is apparently an actual Nazi figure from history

lord

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gunther Stark was one of the Kriegsmarines, the Kriegsmarines <br>was the navy of Nazi Germany, if Walter is gonna now be know as Gunther cool, if he's gonna be known as Gunther Stark not cool. <a href="https://t.co/COu2sgqwkV">pic.twitter.com/COu2sgqwkV</a></p>&mdash; Balor Club Guy (@TheBalorClubGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBalorClubGuy/status/1483643285554016259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD 01-18-2022 10:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5515787)
ok the name WWE trademarked for Walter is apparently an actual Nazi figure from history

lord

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gunther Stark was one of the Kriegsmarines, the Kriegsmarines <br>was the navy of Nazi Germany, if Walter is gonna now be know as Gunther cool, if he's gonna be known as Gunther Stark not cool. <a href="https://t.co/COu2sgqwkV">pic.twitter.com/COu2sgqwkV</a></p>&mdash; Balor Club Guy (@TheBalorClubGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBalorClubGuy/status/1483643285554016259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Jesus :nono:

Triple A 01-18-2022 11:09 PM
jesus @ changing Walter's name to "Gunther"............

ron the dial 01-18-2022 11:10 PM
D12 - Get My Gunther

Bad News Gertner 01-18-2022 11:16 PM
Lol Jesus Christ, Rick Steiner knocked that fucker out

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coming up on Next Monday's <a href="https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BTSheetsPod</a> we will be joined by <a href="https://twitter.com/Sempervive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Sempervive</a> and we will tell the story of Rick &amp; Scott Steiner vs. Paul Lee &amp; Ray Hammer......<br><br>Viewer Discretion is Advised <a href="https://t.co/vSBP6izOgT">pic.twitter.com/vSBP6izOgT</a></p>&mdash; Kris Zellner (@KrisZellner) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisZellner/status/1483650256126545921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 01-18-2022 11:21 PM
Feel like Walter, excuse me, Gunther, will prob be a comedy gimmick chasing the 24/7 title on the main roster

Triple A 01-18-2022 11:29 PM
Jeez @ that Steiner clothesline... what's the "story" that tweet is referring to? Seems like he broke the guy's jaw or throat and/or concussed him...

Supreme Olajuwon 01-19-2022 12:00 AM
Looks like he just caught him flush under the chin

Bad News Gertner 01-19-2022 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5515815)
Jeez @ that Steiner clothesline... what's the "story" that tweet is referring to? Seems like he broke the guy's jaw or throat and/or concussed him...
Not sure. First I've seen this. I listen to their podcast every week so I guess I'll find out then

Damian Rey 2.0 01-19-2022 12:05 AM
He knocked that guy into the multiverse. Still, the got who crane kicked Rick got a meaner one.

Tom Guycott 01-19-2022 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5515580)
Me either. And just recently I found out that the Big Show's classic "Big" theme was sung by Michael P.S. Hayes. I was kind of surprised, but only because I wasn't aware he was a singer who had done some stuff quite a while before that.
I wouldn't have believed it because Michael Hays is actually pretty shit at being a singer, and he actually incorporated it into his gimmick. It wasn't even simply to get Freebirds heat: he legit thought he could sing.

The growly simplicity of that song might have actually helped hide that fact. If he actually had to do something more melodic, he would need ALL the autotune. Not even in the intentionally overproduced robotic way, but in the sound quality improvement way it was originally meant to be used.

As for Jimmy Hart: that is a surprise me to just now learn, but it makes sense and Jimmy has done a lot for a long time with entrance music. Wouldn't be shocked to find out he did more background vocals like that where nobody knew it was him.

Tom Guycott 01-19-2022 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5515814)
Feel like Walter, excuse me, Gunther, will prob be a comedy gimmick chasing the 24/7 title on the main roster
Here's hoping this is just the result of someone showing Vince that movie "Killing Gunther", and Walter will come out in disguise every week.

As shitty as what I said was, it would be way better than the implication of completely leaning into being a straight-up Nazi way more than any of the Ringkampf or Imperium stuff ever did.

Evil Vito 01-19-2022 07:06 AM
WALTER was never a great name. But setting aside any thoughts on the Gunther ring name.....changing his name after 3 years in the company, and with a 2.5 year title reign to his name, is so fucking dumb.

GD 01-19-2022 07:12 AM
I think this name change will be the end of Mr. Nerfect. RIP

GD 01-19-2022 07:55 AM
Saw the promo package for Sarray’s return :nono:

Evil Vito 01-19-2022 08:54 AM
Bruce Prichard, everybody!

Bad News Gertner 01-19-2022 09:02 AM
Scott Steiner in the mid 80's

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scott in the mid-80’s working for Dick the Bruiser. <a href="https://t.co/HGQOz7b4cx">pic.twitter.com/HGQOz7b4cx</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Gifs (@prowrestle_gifs) <a href="https://twitter.com/prowrestle_gifs/status/1483627973257351170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

drave 01-19-2022 09:11 AM
stark = strong in German. That's probably why they went with it, but they would HAVE to know about the historical figure.....


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