Nice

I hate all of you who have access to AEW live shows. The closest they’ve come here is Double or Nothing. Vegas is only an hour flight but man I wish they’d come to San Diego.

They haven’t done a show in LA yet? That seems strange.

I don’t think so. It’s absolutely make that drive and make a day out of it. It’s California a wrestling hot bed? I have no idea. I’ve never felt that we’ve had hot crowds any time I’ve gone to a wwe show except doesn’t the attitude era

The furthest west they got in early 2020 was Utah, and that was the same day "shit got real" with COVID for most of us with Hanks, Gobert, etc.

I think the threat of California bringing back restrictions at a moments' notice has kept them away longer than they were planning, but supposedly they do plan on finally getting out there in early 2022.

Pretty much the only reason I still had the network was for the documentaries.

At least Ruthless Aggression season two is out (& I already had peacock).

Lol this team was so fucking rotten.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tag team finishers in the 90’s were great because one guy could just be like “…and then I’ll do a stomp”. <a href="https://t.co/lHeucDGDhr">pic.twitter.com/lHeucDGDhr</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1463349226054856705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Anyone listening to the new Flair podcast? I just started the latest episode. So far so good. Madden seems pretty structured in the program which is surprising.

LOl Goddammit. I fucking loved Slater and Buck.

I wanna hear John Madden say "BOOM!" every time there's a slam in wrasslin.

Northern and Southern California both seem to have relatively big independent scenes. And when there are major WWE events in LA the crowds tend to be hot by current WWE standards.

Based on that and the fact that AEW seems to do well live around the rest of the country AND The Bucks are from there (plus I think Omega has ties), I can’t imagine LA not being a place AEW would want to go multiple times a year.

Bay Area Wrestling is legit af

I've never been a Dick Slater fan. I enjoy Buck on his own just because of his character, and I'm a Jimmy Golden fan, but the two combined are pretty rough. Especially Slater.

Maybe the guy was too weird? I don’t know. Seems off that they said zero chance it sees the light of day.

From all accounts Vlad is a great guy.

Outstanding

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Juvy’s juice must smell really bad to stun Dave Burkhead like that. <a href="https://t.co/cOSFrSie4V">pic.twitter.com/cOSFrSie4V</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1463604957974835210?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Omg I've found the Holy Grail. I may have to stop posting these after this one.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is absolutely the appropriate reaction to having your head forced into someone’s armpit. <a href="https://t.co/JWda3zBLeB">pic.twitter.com/JWda3zBLeB</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1463565422113009676?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hopefully they release it someday I wanted to see it

Gertner in love with Regal's facials

Boy am I ever

Me too

Triple H’s reaction to Lita
 

lol

Well played.

Kelly Kelly says Vince taught her how to strip for ECW
 

https://i.imgur.com/SH56TYx.jpg

Link to article: https://wrestling-edge.com/kelly-kel...iptease-dance/

Is it too late to enter tavaresmatthews into KOTF?

A shoe in for Best New Poster in the year's Spammy Awards

Has there been a better start to a posting career?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This dude tried blocking one of Vader’s punches and paid for it with his life. <a href="https://t.co/jnIbeg8MFf">pic.twitter.com/jnIbeg8MFf</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1464238078579589124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I really wish instead of doing nothing Vader would’ve potatoed that little shit Shawn Michaels when he stomped on him after a botch. Vader wasn’t going anywhere as far as going up the card anyways. Would’ve loved to see how Shawn would’ve reacted to getting stiffed

Probably would have shit himself and ran backstage to hide behind his buddies.

Vader would have been gone so quick.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ed Leslie just deciding to be Brutus Beefcake again in the middle of the Attitude Era just felt so sad. <a href="https://t.co/EawXhSQ226">pic.twitter.com/EawXhSQ226</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1464419852261732353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Candice Michelle On Kissing Vince McMahon: ‘Everybody Kind Of Went Through That’
 

Link to article: https://itrwrestling.com/news/candic...-through-that/

https://imgur.com/dT17ZrD.jpg

Is the show actually specifically designed to appeal to younger viewers though? That’s Dave’s take with them using younger talent. I’m sure they would like to magically gain younger viewers and generally increase viewership, but where is this “they’re after that specific demo” thing coming from?

How did viewership do? I know it hasn’t been great, but has it been significantly down from NXT 1.0? If that is holding, or just decreasing slightly, for all we know they consider the show a success?

I haven’t followed NXT 2.0. There was some stuff on the first show I liked (The Creed Brothers, Rex Steiner, Ben Buchanan). But I think there is a better pro-wrestling show featuring developmental talent that could appeal to a wider audience. I’m thinking more along the lines of pre-Network NXT. Some developmental acts with familiar names mixed in. But I’m just saying the “haha, look at that demo that they were after” narrative is possibly a little skewed.

I actually think acts like Toxic Attraction are designed to appeal to older audiences. They’re basically The Beautiful People, right?

Interesting ring

I wonder if this could ever work for wrestling


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s an early look at tonight’s <a href="https://twitter.com/trillerfight?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@trillerfight</a> Triad Combat triangular ring setup. The event is taking place at Globe Life Field in Arlington, TX (home of the Rangers) and is available on <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FiteTV</a>. <a href="https://t.co/j9SjBKponR">pic.twitter.com/j9SjBKponR</a></p>&mdash; Ariel Helwani (@arielhelwani) <a href="https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1464732283315925001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tavares, do you think vince attended any of the playboy shoots the numerous divas did over the years, or just all of them?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Round 1! FIGHT! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TriadCombat?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TriadCombat</a> <a href="https://t.co/0Qf7BMhAt7">pic.twitter.com/0Qf7BMhAt7</a></p>&mdash; FITE (@FiteTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1464782230392389636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Minus the ropes being in the way I like this camera angle

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scott Sigmon is taunting Albert Tumenov. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TriadCombat?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TriadCombat</a> <a href="https://t.co/XGAVfSpxns">pic.twitter.com/XGAVfSpxns</a></p>&mdash; FITE (@FiteTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1464783460946558977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why though?

IDK, might visually freshen things up

I liked the cage Riddle and Tim Thatcher used for a match too, 'The Fight Pit'

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NlweD36HV...the%2BCage.gif

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ADyyIEIWR...rm%2BSmash.gif

That's like putting whipped cream on a hot dog just because "it's different".

But our ring has six sides

Meltzer Logic: Bright Colors = KIDS!!!

Seriously, NXT 2.0 is a deliberate step away from having a bunch of guys who's entire identity is "Guy who Wrestles Good" to having a bunch of wrestlers with different and various identities.

Hmmmm. I’d say TA was a play for that teenage boy market. They’re 2.0s version of Sable/Torrie/Stacy.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">the boys are firing off warning shots <a href="https://t.co/xjvAMN4x5V">pic.twitter.com/xjvAMN4x5V</a></p>&mdash; ���������� ��█♂️ ������ (@jockonimus) <a href="https://twitter.com/jockonimus/status/1464670767472390156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tajiri and Mutoh are teaming now? That's awesome.

Triple H got his chance to run a boutique product for the Network to get some experience. There’s a difference between that serving a purpose and developmental though. And filling 2 hours on prime time cable. It’s incredible how NXT changing to become more synchronized with the main roster has been spun into Triple H losing power or something. The product has a different function.

Now, whether or not it is achieving what they want it to remains to be seen. Ridge Holland and Von Wagner seem like the first tests of that.

Maybe. I think once free internet porn came along, that sort of stuff has more of an appeal to old creepers more than anything.

Well the ratings suggest that’s the case.

And I’m not sure they’re entirely upset about that.

Is NXT still shown on the Network (I guess via Peacock now?). I think it’s always been the case that a slice of the younger audience watches via that. If they already had it for NXT pre-USA, PPVs and the library, it may just be easier access for some of them that further justifies staying subscribed. Or they just don’t have cable.

When Meltzer and the like talk about the average age of that NXT audience, they’re talking about the age of the audience that watches on USA. And sure, that might have skewered up since the changeover. But it’s still this slightly disingenuous extrapolation from the data.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This push-off dropkick is almost as weird as the entire run karate expert Glacier worked in a wrestling singlet. <a href="https://t.co/eVux17oNM6">pic.twitter.com/eVux17oNM6</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1465004327496474630?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I CAN SHARE OLD GIFS TOO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember the time Chris Champion did a shoot Crane Kick on Rick Steiner, then got a receipt in the form of a shoot Steiner Line. <a href="https://t.co/v32s5HZoYu">pic.twitter.com/v32s5HZoYu</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1464898586794147853?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I was out of town with family, so I didn't get the opportunity to wish the folks here at TPWW a Happy Thanksgiving. I hope all of your bellies and hearts were full.

I was just looking up all of the free agents on wrestling right now and it's kind of an insane list of talent that are available. I really hope that Jarrett and Conrad go into buisness on a promotion together. If they had a solid financial plan to run a company that could offer good contracts for a roster that would be a great thing for wrestling. There are too few contracts for the amount of talent that are unsigned right now.

No one should open a promotion with Jarrett.


Remember GFW Gold or some shit? C'mon. Remember GFW in general?

Noid should open a promotion with Jarrett.

Jeff Jarrett also brought NJPW to the US.

New Jarrett Pro Wrestling

Japan has closed its borders again amid the newest COVID variant

Might quash any NJPW interaction with the US promotions for another few months

Danielson said in an interview that he hates being on his phone and has, legitimately, almost 3,000 unread texts. He does not check his phone.

And here I hate seeing just 1 notification.

Impact is still going after all these years. Longer than WCW and ECW combined I believe or close to it.

I’ve been very critical of TNA, but if Impact Wrestling outlasts AEW, part of me is going to mark out. I just want someone else to make a real play. Break open the bank, go after The Briscoes, Bray Wyatt, Braun Strowman, Erick Rowan and Ryback. Bring in Johnny Curtis.

Jeff Jarrett deserves respect, but he’s not beyond reproach. Not sure if Jeff Jarrett and Conrad Thompson selling gold mortgages is for me, but we’ll see. Jeff does know wrestling. It just depends on what sort of starting capital they have and whether or not they can secure a good slot somewhere.

Watched the first two episodes of Ruthless Aggression season two. Really good series. First one was Hollywood Rock, second was "innovations" - Elimination Chamber, Money in the Bank, RAW Roulette, Punjabi Prison - may be forgetting one.

Enjoying the new season so far.

One of those things is not like the others.

GFW's failure was mostly just bad luck. It had a lot of potential, but they ran into a lot of problems getting it off the ground. The GFW Gold thing was done out of desperation, as at that point they were pretty hard up for cash. No billionaire money mark to make it all easy.

I didn't make all of my money back on Global Force Gold but I made up for it on crypto and my only fans.

It was never going to work.

The only thing holding it back was capital. That’s the one thing AEW has had behind it that has allowed of it to take even the small hold it has. It bought its way to some big stars and a TNT deal.

If Jeff Jarrett had $100 million to invest and could have purchased some top stars, we’d be singing a different story. Hell, TNA became GFW for a while.

Regardless, I still think Jarrett has good business sense. He was one of the first people to recognize the potential of the Australian market, and as Jordan stated, helped popularize njpw stateside. And that's before you get into tna, which, for all its loltna moments is still one of the most successful and long lasting promotions of the modern era.

The thing that impresses me about TNA is that it had to build at least a little bit. There were growing pains and obstacles to overcome. AEW, even if you love it, is in a completely bought position.

This June will be 20 YEARS for Impact. That's crazy.

Yeah, it’s insane when you start comparing it to other stretches of time. Take Shawn Michaels debuting in the WWF. 20 years from that takes you up to him superkicking Ric Flair in the face.

Children born in 2002 are almost old enough to drink with you at a bar in the US. They have been old enough to do so in Australia for a couple of years. If they happen to be wrestling fans, they don’t remember a day in their life without some incarnation of TNA Wrestling.

Throwback to when Damien Priest celebrated winning the NXT North American Championship.
 

Korbel is some cheap ass champagne

Shane McMahon rumored to return on RAW tonight to boost ratings

n/m it's prob a hint for something with austin theory

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/QTFgfkQdxl">pic.twitter.com/QTFgfkQdxl</a></p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1465478604658286597?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So they can quadruple Dynamite's ratings instead of triple?

twas indeed a hint for austin theory

Well he didn't win the main NXT title.

Priest is an elder millenial, like many of us he is working on a tight budget

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Meng is the water that extinguishes all hot tags. <a href="https://t.co/D60jmPtiL1">pic.twitter.com/D60jmPtiL1</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1465533712242720774?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New Jarrett Pro Wrestling could easily be a sleeper hit of a company if they are able to get their hooks into some kind of legit distribution deal.

WWF back when they ran 5 PPV's and all their shows were pre taped had about 40-50 wrestlers signed at any given time on average.

There is so much viable recognizable talent out there it's silly not to give it a go.

I'm not totally certain there is anyway another company would oud draw WWE and AEW in live gates and ratings but if the new company was just looking to be a profitable wrestling buisness then I can see it potentially working.

Funny saying this as ROH is dying and Impact is smaller than ever in every way and seemingly knocking on deaths door (as always).

Those brands have ruined themselves and I don't think they have any chance of revival. It's gotta be new. I keep thinking Jarrett could run the old Memphis circuit but modified with research and potentially build an audience for a promotion, but those days are so far behind I don't think redoing a territory 100% would connect with a lot of people.

So the opposite of AEW then :rofl:

We don't really know what AEW's profit margin is, only speculation. AEW definitely went into FULL GEAR when they got the TV extension, hoping to bring a REVOLUTION to the wrestling buisness. Latley they are hiring many stars and truly going ALL OUT to make as big of a splash as possible. You could even say that it will be DOUBLE OR NOTHING once the latest TV deal starts renegotiations.

Naw, by 2024 their average aged fan will be older than the demo. How valuable will they be drawing 900,000 viewers with a low demo?

merry xmas you filthy animals

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erk13ZPXUAkUMei.jpg

Impact with an all-time low viewership of 48,000 viewers and a .01 in 18 to 49 (13,000 viewers)

And somehow Raw will still be the one failing and needing help, while AEW is on its way to the moon.

Lol, this is actually a very good point. They are actually going to have a lot of viewers slip into the older demo. I’ve been critical of the idea of putting so much weight on the demos for cable in this era, but the only thing AEW really has to “brag” about is that demo. When you take that strength away and you’ve got a lot more people in a still weak 50+ and a slimmer 18-49, and still don’t have any women, what good are you?

Wrestling is drying the fuck up. With AEW coming along, there are three more hours of wrestling on national television a week, plus the countless they do for Dark and Elevation. You also had NXT go national. That’s another hour or two, depending on whether or not you count the previously established hour.

This is not good for wrestling. I’ve been saying that since the start as people yell at me for not seeing how TK has been anything but a bonus for wrestling and wrestling fans.

If the product was good, it could be a thing where all tides rise, and help the genre’s popularity overall. Like when a style of music catches on, or superhero films become trendy. But the thing is, the evidence states that this stuff is not demonstrably a hit when it comes to creating new fans. It is stretching the current fan-base as far as it can go, beyond dedication and sustainability. And the products cool off, due to exposure and an inconsequential context to their content, and they fans themselves have less and less investment.

ROH took a major blow. Impact Wrestling is scraping scary new lows. AEW is not growing, no matter how anybody lies to you. WWE is even hitting new lows. Throwing new wrestling into the mix is going to run into the problem it has to compete with so much. And the established stuff needs to compete with it. But the hope would be that something good could stand out, strike hot, make fans en masse take notice and really demonstrate what other promotions haven’t been doing.

My concern is that I’m not actually sure the star power is out there if you remove AEW from the equation. I’ve assumed that AEW wrestlers could just ask for a release and get it, but would they? Danielson and Punk signed with this company in the first place. The best chance was recently when Danielson, Punk, Lesnar and Samoa Joe were free agents. Before that, it was that 2018/2019 period where AEW was starting up, and Danielson, Punk, Mysterio, Steen, Orton, Usos, Styles, Nakamura, Moxley and a few others were either initially free or had their deals come up. Right now, who do you really have? Adam Scherr and Windham Rotunda? John Hennigan? I guess Styles, Nakamura and Steen are about to have their deals come up.

And let’s just say you can poach Danielson, Punk, MJF, FTR, JR, etc. Are hardcore fans going to get excited about the new product or deride it for being predatory? You could let talent work AEW still (for a while), but that becomes an obstacle. In some ways, the best time to start up a new wrestling thing might be in 2024, or something. Depending on when Punk and Danielson’s deals are up. And MJF’s too. Is that when Jacob Fatu’s MLW thing is up too? Not that that would be too hard to get out of.

I dunno. I’m not even trying to be cynical. I’m the guy who was the most excited for AEW when it started. I’m the guy who was hoping that The Rock would start his own wrestling promotion, even before he bought the XFL. I’m not actually a negative person. But I am an honest person. And I don’t see how anyone can look at the landscape of wrestling right now and say “This is good!” If you love wrestling, I just think you should want it to be better, instead of making excuses for it when it is clearly not working.

As a fan, I've never had this much variety. There's something for everyone. It's fun to pick and choose. I'm no longer restricted to WWE programming.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s some Headhunters in FMW. The crunch of that first table break is satisfying. <a href="https://t.co/w2mFjP4AyA">pic.twitter.com/w2mFjP4AyA</a></p>&mdash; Rob Naylor (@NINaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/NINaylor/status/1465879704746012673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I liked it when The Headhunters we're in WWF for a short time.

Since everyone is up in arms about NJPW did you guys see that Jarrett is now an owner of a minor league baseball team in a small Illinois city? Part of the deal is that he has to help fill the stadium on the 300 off days for the team. It was said he will promote carnivals, music and of course rasslin.

R A S S L I N that's rasslin. Maybe we can call it New Jarrett Pro Rasslin going forward.

NJPR

Springfield Sliders...cool. Lansing relocated from Springfield when they were the Sultans in the Midwest League (now High-A).

R.I.P Kal Rudman, one of the most fun announcers I've ever heard. He was a riot.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whatever “babyface fire” is, this is the exact opposite. <a href="https://t.co/AqFRTYxMsJ">pic.twitter.com/AqFRTYxMsJ</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1466440131473285122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Frankie Lancaster is basically Bob Holly if Bob Holly we’re an actual successful NASCAR driver who suddenly got banned from racing and forced to be a pro wrestler all within the span of 2 days.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They called him Tough Tom because he probably broke every bone below his pelvis on this bump. <a href="https://t.co/J79ZSB1jjz">pic.twitter.com/J79ZSB1jjz</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1466572370248749056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ouch. Fell like that this morning on my damn kitchen floor because I had socks on and the floor is tile.


Was moving to stop a bowl from dropping and BAM - right on my right hip. Shit hurts when you get older :D

I’ve had a blind spot to Frankie Lancaster my entire life and I regret it.