Has to be one of the laziest taglines for a WM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WrestleMania?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WrestleMania</a> 38 – the most stupendous two-night <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleMania?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleMania</a> in history! <a href="https://t.co/lwJ2mDTnwk">pic.twitter.com/lwJ2mDTnwk</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1460446590469091329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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That can’t be real. Haha?

"The ultimate thrill ride" was a better tag line than that.

When your show is so bad you lose even reddit


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AEW is fun to talk about. You’ve got crazy fanboys to file up. WWE is comparatively tame to talk about. It’s still watched by several times the audience. And a lot of them just shut up and watch, unlike this weird AEW cult that needs to go out and convince you this is a great promotion.

Plus, I’m pretty sure if you checked out the social media stats, way more people engaged with Raw than Dynamite. I can’t be sure, because I haven’t checked those stats, but that used to be the case.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Barbarian threw Brad Armstrong down like he was a broken toy. <a href="https://t.co/pLTHbkhV8P">pic.twitter.com/pLTHbkhV8P</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1460794549698285581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Barb was always a beast. Warlord was a bit bigger, but Barbarian was the one I was scared of as a kid. He just had those serial killer eyes.

Lol oh my fucking God

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vladimir Petrov may not have been a good wrestler....but he could take your damn soul with a clothesline <a href="https://t.co/NalycDIWTK">pic.twitter.com/NalycDIWTK</a></p>&mdash; Kris Zellner (@KrisZellner) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisZellner/status/1461049089274130441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a gnarly snapmare counter by Mona (Molly Holly). <a href="https://t.co/xsiHdLZIO5">pic.twitter.com/xsiHdLZIO5</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1460768700190056463?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hey, I know who that tall handsome lad is in the crowd :)

Never thought of the Barbarian to be dishing out chokeslams. :wtf:

damn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the lowest P18-49 ever for NXT on USA since its September 2019 debut as a weekly program.<br><br>It's the lowest total viewership since February 10, when the show was on Wednesday against Dynamite.<br><br>Median viewer age was 62.<br><br>�� Full report: <a href="https://t.co/dbeZIJmTOu">https://t.co/dbeZIJmTOu</a> <a href="https://t.co/dwmTLMo1kb">pic.twitter.com/dwmTLMo1kb</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1461083594286379012?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Those are almost Rampage numbers.

its gotta be some other reason tho innit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bret Hart has suffered a stroke, overcome cancer, and dealt with the tragic loss of family and friends. Some people would quit, but he went out and got his bachelor’s degree in health and physical education at 64 years old. An absolute legend. <a href="https://t.co/XGqvyToFLL">pic.twitter.com/XGqvyToFLL</a></p>&mdash; ADAM TOOL BAY BAY (@AdamTool) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamTool/status/1456275070200942604?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The show doesn’t work. It’s the same reason Rampage and Dynamite have been slipping too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“How do we get this 18 year old hunk over?”<br><br>“Let’s call every housewife we can find to come rub on him.” <a href="https://t.co/D1C1hEMqpu">pic.twitter.com/D1C1hEMqpu</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1461392515307819008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Huh. Dynamite is the only show whose total viewers are up from the beginning of the year.

Lol, you mean from when they retained their night unopposed? How are they doing week-to-week? Hmm, not so good.

Actually I meant from the beginning of that chart. So from October of last year I guess.

Nice!

The apologetics for this flailing company are hilarious.

I'm sorry my stating facts makes the veins if your head explode.

You stopped stating facts a long time ago. Your posts are now limited to “Well actually” contrarianisms to provoke people into arguments they weren’t having, and sad bullshit apologetics for AEW. You’ve slipped.

I literally quoted the chart and stated a fact that is easily verifiable by looking at said chart...

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Noid soon

His feelings don't care about your facts fan.

The Invasion angle ended 20 years ago yesterday.

Lmao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lord Steven Regal has no time for your grandma. <a href="https://t.co/Xh21aVRvhE">pic.twitter.com/Xh21aVRvhE</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1461748458872786953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I need a collection of his. He was truly great in every tiny action he took.

I'm not surprised. About 38k sold for each night so far. Ticket prices 'too expensive' in my opinion. I looked the other day out of curiosity and the section I sat in at WM32 for $220 is now $355 (for one night).


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some disappointment in WWE concerning WrestleMania 38 ticket sales:<a href="https://t.co/QnG2mgYm5B">https://t.co/QnG2mgYm5B</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1461879236629831680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

bro even their regular shows have been expensive for the past few years (before and after COVID).


I remember asking my son 2 years ago what he wanted more:

Meet and greet with Tech N9ne and fam




Just entry into RAW - without buying any merch


Two lower-level seats after taxes and charges were about $225. We paid $125/piece for meet and greet passes plus a SHIT TON of merch AND a live concert.

Here's Macho Man getting kicked in the face :D


https://i.redd.it/urrzon1dvq081.gif

Also, Paul Heyman will never NOT be amazing on the fucking mic. Good god.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1461894707764776960

Heyman deserves to headline a HOF class

Again with the wwe trademark each and every one of you spiel. :roll:

The Iron Sheik should be there just like Bobby Heenan said when Sheik was walking to the ring for the Gimmick Battle Royal at WM 17

cadenced or not, they were great lines, and only paul heyman could get away with it

side note: Stories with Brisco and Bradshaw is so good.

Still sticking with the 2 night gimmick, wonder if this is permanent or not..

didn't we already have Wrestlemania ★?


should be Wrestlemania ★II

#CancelPaulHeyman

Low ticket sales is good. Maybe WWE will reconsider the two-night thing and go back to one.

Two night Mania is way easier to digest than a single night 7 hour Mania.

Ideally one single 4 hour show should be enough but WWE is never gonna go back to that.

Aren’t they at like 38k for each show? 76k for a show that hasn’t had anything announced yet might seem slow to people expecting them to immediately sell out, but it’s far from the grimmest things I’ve ever heard.

I also think the two night formula needs to be tested in front of people. I just expect them to do mixed roster shows that play like the last two Manias but with a crowd, but there are potential things you can do with that format. You can do a Raw night and a SmackDown night. You can thematically build throughout the two shows. You can even have one show play off another. There’s no real reason you can’t have someone wrestle on both shows (other than the politics of them getting two spots).

I don’t expect the WWE to get creative with things, but the potential for creativity is there. Especially down the line.

Always have this inkling in the back of my mind that if Vince gets really desperate, he might try and ink something with Steve Austin.

The money would have always been there for Austin, but the giant TV rights money only kicked in at the end of 2019. Then we hit the pandemic which we’re only just coming out of. I think they were announced in 2018. Then we got the Becky push and Austin actually took a bump for her on some show.

Austin is 57. Sure, that’s “old.” But if he has the itch at all, or sees the opportunity to make a giant star out of himself again — “Look Hollywood, this old cowboy’s got this much left” — the window is…more urgent than it’s possibly been for a guy who has always had “maybe” in the back of his mind. And who knows? Maybe his grandkids really want to see him wrestle or something?

If they got him back for a couple of matches/maybe a special run, this would probably happen at Saudi Arabia, but the actual possibility of Austin vs. Goldberg? That would supersede anything else possible right now — including the contemporary story for Roman and Brock. There’s your night two main event.

I’m not “predicting it,” per se. I’m just saying that it’s not the most insane thing in the world given that the company’s got all these billion dollar deals now, and they realistically could use something huge, and that’s the biggest thing that’s remotely possible to them (The Rock’s not wrestling). Just because it hasn’t happened bye doesn’t mean factors there can’t change. Shawn Michaels sat out for 8 years.

If he did he'd be wrestling with a t shirt on, he doesn't seem to be in the gym like his wwe days. Expected considering he's retired and given his age.

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Austin was so raided up by 2000/2001

the only insane thing about this is that you fantasized about it, and some of us read it

Yeah the days of WrestleMania being the best of the best instead of "let's get everyone on the card" are long gone, I think.

Since that seems to be the case, I'll take two four hour shows over one seven to eight hour show every time.

Aye, 2 nights of shit is easier to take in than a single large dose.

Ugh..... already don't even care about Mania :(


Reasonable predictions:


The main event matches will feature some heel champion v some megastar from the past. the other title will be a heel rumble winner v the face champ. Either way, it will be one "regularly featured" superstar against some people brought it just for Mania, thus making me not care about any build to it. I've been "WWE'd".


The Rumble is always fun though. Right now, I'm looking forward to the Rumble match itself.

I still try to watch the Rumble every year because even bad Rumbles are kinda fun. But with two WrestleMania title matches they have a tendency now to have the challenger of the less important title win for “shock value” which has taken away from the stakes of the match.

If I could watch only one WWE match a year, it would be the Rumble.

That said, last year was the least interested I've ever felt in a Rumble match...although knowing it was in an empty stadium was a big reason why. You need that genuine crowd reaction for the surprise entrants.

Reasonable Mania predictions:

* Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar
* Big E vs. Edge
* Randy Orton vs. Matt Riddle
* Becky Lynch vs. Bianca Belair
* Seth Rollins vs. Montez Ford
* Drew McIntyre vs. someone
* An AJ Styles match, possibly against Finn Balor
* Something involving Bad Bunny and/or Logan Paul
* A Bobby Lashley match

It’s really not that grim. SmackDown actually looks a little bleaker, but you put together things like an opponent for Drew, maybe do an Xavier/Kofi feud (I’m split on this), Nakamura vs. Zayn for the IC Title, a good Cesaro match and a strong babyface team to challenge The Usos and you’re kind of laughing.

Indeed. On top of Mania being an entire fucking weekend worth of time, its just too much.


Wresetlemania 2042: A 5 day stupendous stampede of steroids and superstars!!!!

This honestly sounds like it could be ANY ppv throughout the year. This is a big part of the problem with a homogenized product.

WrestleMania could be any PPV throughout the year. That’s why you build it up to be special with the stories. I mean, the only other thing that would inherently make it special is that you have those part-timers you were just complaining about.

* Brock and Roman has been the best thing in WWE and frankly deserves to be the main event.

* Becky and Bianca, should that be the match, has been set up since SummerSlam. I mean, they might move in a different direction, but if they go towards Liv Morgan for Day One, you’re then into Rumble season.

* Seth Rollins and Montez Ford could be the husbands fighting, which would be an amazing opportunity for a dude with star potential to step up and have an arrival party. People whinge about new stars not being created all the time.

* Orton vs. Riddle has been building since they started teaming, whenever that was.

* AJ Styles having an amazing wrestling match is always a treat.

* Big E vs. Edge is just me putting together something on the Raw side. But the story of Edge’s comeback has been him wanting to be the champion. It’s a bit uninspired to have him go after it as a babyface again, especially against Big E. Edge going to a dark place (we haven’t seen him since Hell in a Cell) could tell a cool story of the veteran going super-obsessive about getting one more run.

You fill it up with the pomp and circumstance, WrestleMania is going to be fine. Sorry you don’t like it, but it’s perfectly fine for modern wrestling context with something half-way resembling having a vision to it. Especially if the prerogative is to make young stars like Bianca Belair, Montez Ford, Toni Storm, Matt Riddle, etc. at the show.

This Vince McMahon egg storyline could potentially set something up for WrestleMania too. Adam Pearce has been charged with uncovering who stole it. That puts Adam Pearce and Von Wagner, and possibly Vince McMahon himself, at odds with the thief.

They kinda did this to themselves though didn't they? So far, the storyline from a movie is the best thing they have going. :|


I guess if that's your cuppa.

Fuck it.




Tony Khan stole the egg. There. 100000% more entertaining than anything else being built at the moment.

I worry for the 2033 WWE roster when Vince finally gets around to watching Squid Game.

Nothing with Tony Khan involved in it as a performer is going to be anywhere near entertaining. Even as a withered husk of what he used to be, Vince has way more on-air charisma.

Yeah, wrestling has driven away a lot of what made it special. The WWE chased away a lot of casual fans, so their audiences being compromised of a larger margin of smarks is their fault. That’s why they’ve got this perceived ticket trouble with the smark favorite in majorly populated areas too.

The WWE does have a perception problem with some segments of the audience. But it is also more popular, more widely know and more effective at generating content for a general audience than anything close to a competition its got is. They will churn out that WrestleMania card, and honestly, if they fill those stadiums with more local fans, as opposed to super hardcore fans from the UK and elsewhere abroad, it might actually be a good thing for them. More sincere reactions, more fans that are out spreading word about the product, etc.

They could certainly take more chances creatively. They play it way safe, and I understand why, but it does not make for the most thrilling product to say the least. They’ve got the talent and the resources to be better within safe parameters. But you see them edging towards that at time. People seemed to really enjoy the Crown Jewel show, for example, and some have even been saying that Raw has been better.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know, <a href="https://twitter.com/RealKingRegal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealKingRegal</a> is the best. <a href="https://t.co/mq9oq6Rv3O">pic.twitter.com/mq9oq6Rv3O</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1437485275400359936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Regal seems to be a star of those WCW Deep Cuts. I probably need to go back and watch more of him from that era.

He's so entertaining during those 96-97 B show matches on Worldwide and Pro because he interacts with the crowd. It's so funny.

You ever hear the story about how the rumble came to be? Patterson came up with the idea and presented it to the "genius" Vince who said it was a stupid idea. It was only when one of the network heads got to hear of it (Dick Ebersol) he liked the idea and the concept of the countdown with people wanting to see who was coming in next kept people watching.

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Everyone convince Tb1 to train again and one day land in AEW.

The Royal Rumble, if you think about it, is a really bizarre idea in terms of a wrestling business that was still engaged with kayfabe. Why would it make any sense for their to be staggered entry? It’s a crapshoot and very “gimmicky.”

Yeah, it worked out, but how many other ideas like it have worked? How many other promotions have done knockoff Rumbles that sucked? How many WWE ones in recent years have been boring or forgettable. They kind of worked under Patterson and his attention to detail and finishes and the like. But the Royal Rumble has been coasting on that nostalgia for sometime.

The only thing I watch every year is the Men's Rumble and even last year I couldn't be bothered. I hate how every run runns out, gets in the ring, does one spot and then fucks off till they get eliminated. Every. Single. Time.

And I get it for free

Sometimes it seems you get a a guy coming in and doing their finisher to a few guys. Then they soak up a mild pop and disappear. But that may not have happened for a few years.

How do you get it for free because I’d like to finagle that through legal means.

As far as the gimmicky staggered entry thing, WarGames was similar and actually preceded it. Created by Dusty.

The Rhodes family. God bless their contributions to wrestling.

I have an Android box. For $20 a month I get 7000 channels and every ppv. IPTV.

Plus I get like 27,000 movies and 2600 on demand. New releases and stuff.

It has kinda devolved into "guys waiting for someone to hit a spot" over the last few years. Maybe longer.

Also will never forget being at the show with the first women's rumble. So many people were lying at ringside and no one could tell who had been eliminated or not. It was bad lol

Lol I remember this. His finisher was the "Jungle Kick"

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per PWInsider, the Vladimir &quot;Superfan&quot; documentary that WWE shot and completed a while back will likely not see the light of day for a long time, if ever. No plans to finally air it, as with the Lex Luger Icons episode. Why bother working on these things only to hide them away?</p>&mdash; Jason Solomon (@solomonster) <a href="https://twitter.com/solomonster/status/1463198674385874960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

i'v been wanting to see that ever since the trailer dropped, wondered what was going on with that

Didn’t they have an air date promoted for the Luger doc and then just... didn’t air it?

That dirty SOB is responsible for Miss Elizabeth's murder. DAYAM HIM!

There are so many reasons products are never finalized, released, etc.

https://c.tenor.com/8C1wQJl221QAAAAC...guage-deaf.gif

There so many reasons why a moron would make a generic excuse to defend marketing a project that is ultimately never released.

And it starts, hahaha. :lol:

Does anyone deny that there are a multitude of reasons a product doesn’t end up making air? Or are you just going to dogpile on someone for being correct?

Imagine being such an idiot that you believe people are giving you hell for making a correct but meaningless generic statement (as a justifiable excuse for a dumb decision,) when in reality people are giving you hell because you're a pathetic moron.

The fake lawyer, ladies and gentlemen. You can’t argue with reason like that. Just a reminder: this guy was all over my dick when my focus was on pointing out the stupid things WWE do. He turned homophobic and wild when I pointed out AEW sucks. He’s been obsessively hurling insults at me for so long, I should update people on that story.

Biggest fanboy on the boards. For both me and AEW.

Again, does anyone dispute there are a whole bunch of reasons a creative project can enter production hell?

I reject your offer.

Scott Norton is definitely in 2nd.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That little push at the end from Scott Norton was perfect. <a href="https://t.co/L8YG9I7oV0">pic.twitter.com/L8YG9I7oV0</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1463206612248760330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Example

Go on...

Lol, that was good. I’m admittedly not a big of Norton’s though. I might need to check the B/C show stuff.

The only things I like that WWE does are those Docs. Too bad. Was interested in both.

Same here. Especially the Vlad one.

excited to go to dynamite tomorrow. love the wintrust arena. absolutely dreading punk vs. qt, but pumped for danielson vs. colt. saw them fight for the ROH title back in 2006 in chicago ridge, so this is nice treat 15 years later.