Ratings from the last week

SD - 1.86 million

RAW - 1.47 million

AEW - 871k

NXT - 654k

Impact - 69k

Guy on the internet asks a stupid question he clearly doesn't know the answer to and calls other people on the internet stupid. Classic projection.

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Was looking for the clip where he shames some fat dude in the crowd and the camera just lingers on the fan holding his head down in shame/embarrassment....

Such a premium gimmick.

Totally wouldn't fly today.

You can take your pick. Meltzer, Alvarez and anyone who stands to make a profit of selling a “WWE bad” narrative are probably the best place to start. Meltzer lies through his teeth to make AEW seem more impressive than it is. Never mind that the talk of demos has only popped up to make AEW look good, even though it’s bullshit and everyone knows it.

If you want to sell a newsletter or subscription to your feed or whatever, do whatever you can to make the WWE sound like it’s receding in a way that is going to deathly embarrass its network. Meanwhile, AEW is super cool, way to go.

Then you get impressionable folk like slik and Smeat, who aren’t the best at critical thinking, and it gets regurgitated until it becomes something you actively need to correct.

A recent example of this is when a lot of AEW fanboys thought that Meltzer was reporting the domestic buyrate of Double or Nothing recently. This was because Meltzer deliberately conflates domestic and international buys when comparing it to the domestic buys of other promotions. It’s very easy to lead people astray, and it might just be mildly annoying to some, but when you care about honesty, it can be downright infuriating that there are not more unbiased voices.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">% of matches that are rematches from the prior 6 months, by TV program (Jul 2020 to mid-Jun 2021):<br><br>WWE Raw: 57%<br>WWE Smackdown: 54%<br>Impact Wrestling: 44%<br>WWE NXT: 31%<br>AEW Dynamite: 10%</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1413304900830773256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How small is impact’s roster? They’re at nearly 50%.

MLW waiting until the day before their big show to start hyping it...smh


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This was the only part of those 4 paragraphs that kinda sorta addressed the question. The rest was random unrelated AEW/Meltzer rant #3,452.

So apparently this quote...

“WWE Raw on Monday on the USA Network was watched by 1,472,000 viewers, a new all-time low for the show that debuted in 1993.

18-49 viewership was almost the same as last week, slightly up, and the 3rd lowest on record.”

is an attempt to make it sound like WWE is receding in a way that is going to deathly embarrass the network? Or were you just reaching for a reason to rant about AEW/Meltzer?

Groan, you’re being that walrus guy again. Don’t do that.

Yes, the entire discussion around WWE’s business metrics is designed to spin a marketable narrative. Anyone can see that. You’re just being a stick in the mud to try and turn that into an argument.

Misrepresenting ratings data, changing its context, conflating data, preying on anti-WWE dispositions — it’s all part of the same ball of twine.

... He didn’t do any of that. He stated a fact and used the overall rating. The same one that has been used when discussing the ratings for as long as anyone on the internet has discussed the ratings.

You just saw a post stating that Raw got its lowest ratings ever and got triggered because it freaked you out that a bad story about WWE might be looked at as pro-AEW somehow so you had to spin shit. Suddenly the HOURLY ratings are what’s important now.

Again, the overrall rating has ALWAYS been what is used primarily when discussing the ratings. You never complained about it before. It’s only a problem now because you’re paranoid and have to find a pro-AEW implication in everything. I’m not just being a stick in the mud. I’m calling you out on your clear-as-day bullshit. Stop it.

If the contextualization of the rating is wrong, then it’s wrong. Doesn’t matter how long people have been wrong for. The overall Raw rating doesn’t likely mean shit to anyone but subscribers of that groupthink.

Lol, I didn’t “freak out.” Project harder, #fan. You saw a Noid post and got triggered because you have to be the contrarian to the perceived contrarian, because you can’t stand not being the smartest person in the room. Time to rip out those “Well, actually’s.”

The pro-AEW/anti-WWE bias is definitely an annoying ass thing that permeates so much of online wrestling discussion at the moment. People don’t need to go looking for shit. You aren’t calling out anything. You are waiting in the wings looking for arguments. You don’t have to defend WWE to point out that the spin around the ratings is bullshit. Stop it.

Do you disagree that WWE has a deal with USA where all three hours are individually registered?

Damn...one of the few enjoyable characters in WWE the last year IMO


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: <a href="https://twitter.com/itsBayleyWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@itsBayleyWWE</a> has suffered an injury while training and will be out approximately nine months.<br><br>A replacement for her match against <a href="https://twitter.com/BiancaBelairWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BiancaBelairWWE</a> at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MITB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MITB</a> will be announced tonight on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDown</a>.<a href="https://t.co/qLsf8KTHNp">https://t.co/qLsf8KTHNp</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1413566495347589123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Approximately nine months, eh? Was the injury called getting knocked up?

Bayley-Baby vs Becky-Baby confirmed for WM

Fan v Noid is the feud that we’ve all been waiting for years.

Memories...

... I need a Tylenol and a drink.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stephanie McMahon: WWE Will Have A New Presentation Including Augmented Reality And Set Designs <a href="https://t.co/J1Tpwwsh13">https://t.co/J1Tpwwsh13</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1413587274818723842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

After enjoying Mania, the follow up Raw and SmackDown failed to hold my interest and I've been out ever since. I'll probably try again and watch the first SmackDown and Raw with fans and MITB. If for no reason other than the novelty of seeing everyone's reaction to walking out in front of a crowd again. Whether they can hold me longer than a week again remains to be seen, given their booking track record probably not but I'll give them a go just because having fans makes any show feel refreshing.

Would really suck if the south's unwillingness to get vaccinated leads to variants serious enough to require another shutdown and wrestling grinds to a halt again. I can't handle any more pandemic wrestling.

I want to see what kind of reaction Roman gets.

Saw this...sucks...no ****ing good reason to watch SD! for 9 months now...***DAMMIT 😥

9 months?

She like, pregnant or something?

While she seems to do a good job in the role, heel Bayley just makes me think about how badly they dropped the ball with face Bayley.

Lol ol Diaper Ass is hurt eh

They should just have Natalya get the shot and call it a day. Could be a fine match. Don’t overthink it.

Watching WCW tv from 86. Currently on a Dusty Rhodes angle where he has a broken foot so they bring hos doctor in and ask him about this reinforced boot they’ve made him.

Chekhov’s Boot.

SD has an increase this week to 1.881 million viewers, to top the week as the most watched wrestling program.

Watching Starrcade 1990 and there’s a phenomenal dive botch by some New Zealander onto Rick Steiner.
The guy flips over with the grace of Ahmed and Steiner must react late so the fella slides down his front and lands right on his head while Rick stands there laughing.

Hahahaha the original Rey Misterio(original) just did the same damned thing at the end of his tag match too. Looks like he mangled his leg on the ring steps which were rigid wooden ones, not collapsible hollow ones like in WWE.

You don’t get a good peek at it or a replay and you didn’t for Steiner either so they must be legit. Misterio looked bad, his leg had a huge red line down it.

Just realized I don’t think I’ve seen much of Rey Mysterio, Sr. at all.

He’s built like a barrel, looks nothing like his namesake and lands a lot harder. Like a sack of shit some might say.

WCW PPV’s were so random.
Pick any PPV and there are matches that look like they picked names out of a hat.
I’m on The Great American Bash 1990 and it’s an ugly looking card. The prelim matches aren’t bad, just totally cold.
Dutch Mantel vs Doug Furnas is like watching a big baby being slowly engulfed in hair.
I thought Dutch was wearing a textured shirt until they zoomed in.

WCW tv was good in the 80’s, especially during the clothesline era. Just loads of clothesline finishes with the occasional double clothesline in tag teams. That’s what’s missing now, finishes that come from nowhere by muscular dudes beating up guys that look like shit.

Lots of standing elbow drop finishes too.
Elbow drops look great. Buddy Landel made it look really sore.

Buddy Landel is one of those dudes I see wrestle and I think “He might be my favorite ever.” He’s so good.

Quite the week for toxicity in wrestling fans


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Court records aren’t private

My favourite thing about Buddy was when you'd see him walk to the ring with no knee pads it meant you're getting all shtick from him tonight.

There is a large group of people who think this is what we need to go back to

Jesus

Lawler liked booking monster movie characters.

Wrestling today is too unrealistic. Fans want reality. Like knockoff movie monsters hanging out with Jerry Lawler and abiding by the rules of a traditional wrestling match.

The Young Bucks will never understand that kind of psychology.

The Miz was eaten by zombies like a month ago.

Alexa Bliss was possessed by...something?

Matt Hardy can teleport.

LOL What you tard? Heel Bayley has been 100x better than anything she's done! Jesus Christ just stop posting here already! You're opinions fucking suck.

The Young Bucks gimmick is literally "killing the business" and just doing what get pops. It's a really dumb gimmick and why I can't get into their matches.

Memphis sure did have some crazy shit...

I’m pretty sure this is the element of Memphis that is most maligned. Also, given that Freddy’s mask is on the line, they clearly aren’t trying to pass this off as the real Freddy. Is the work and psychology a bit shoddy? Sure. But today you’ll get wrestling promotions actually trying to pass someone off as a space alien or a witch.

And that was way more entertaining than AEW. And hey, the crowd there loved it. Isn’t that the metric by which we’re supposed to grade now?

Yes. Unironically. Because more people are cheering for Freddy in this studio than cheer for the average Flippy McHighspot in any arena. It's easy and difficult at the same time.

It's easy because, physically, you aren't killing yourself working shtick like this. A couple of soft bumps and that's it. A guy you want to see win vs a guy you want to see lose, it's not rocket science.

It's difficult because, in order to have a match like this, people have to give a shit about you. People don't care about you, they're gonna shit all over it. But if they care, you don't have to do much of anything to get the crowd behind you.

I mean, I cannot imagine going out of my way and Tweeting her about it, but I mean, they're not wrong....

How are they 'not wrong'

How is she responsible for another person's decision to drive while intoxicated?

I'm thinking it could be an opportunity to "press the reset button" on her character and have her return as a babyface. Or at least, one can hope.

What kind of a bottom barrel fantasy is this? Why would you want Bayley to regress?

wow... you're an idiot

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He’s right. I walked to look up some old stuff and the navigation was piss fucking poor.

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So that's why summerslam negotiations fell through

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/10143...ad-for-workers

Good for wrestlers no?

Supposedly WWE recently put out an internal mandate that Daniel Bryan is to be excluded from any future projects, such as the upcoming video game etc. Feels like a bit of a non-story given he's no longer under contract and it's pretty normal to cut released talent out of those things, but he's also been gone for two months and maybe they assumed he would've inked a new deal by now.

I'm still not holding my breath on him going anywhere but back to WWE whenever he decides to return to wrestling. But he's probably just enjoying his time off and getting to be a dad. Wouldn't be shocked if we don't see him resurface anywhere for a long while yet.

God Dammit! Droford!

Legit. Luckily i just look up the first 2 seasons of Survivor Series.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This advertisement for a WWE live show in Atlanta just aired in Georgia… peep who has the belt �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/2DFUZUSKnn">pic.twitter.com/2DFUZUSKnn</a></p>&mdash; Jessi Davin (@jessithebuckeye) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessithebuckeye/status/1414756605166555137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy Birthday to the beast, Brock Lesnar. Thank you for one of my favorite interviews ever. <br><br>Love you <a href="https://twitter.com/HeymanHustle?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HeymanHustle</a> <a href="https://t.co/gqe9fvmUcl">pic.twitter.com/gqe9fvmUcl</a></p>&mdash; Sam Roberts (@notsam) <a href="https://twitter.com/notsam/status/1414723886109843460?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In complete disregard for kayfabe Mike “The Miz” Mizanin is participating in the MLB Celebrity All-Star Game despite being wheelchair bound just an hour ago on World Wrestling Entertainment’s Monday Night RAW.</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1414781005567827969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The best one was Ernest "The Cat" Miller with the whole James Brown-esque entrance complete with hype man Lamont. There's "getting your schtick in", and then there was that work of art, where Taz was trying to get JR to sing the song with him on commentary.

... unfortunatly, the segment doesn't appear to be on YouTube anymore [I was going to post it here]. Even worse, the places that have the song up refer to it as him using "Brodus Clay's theme" like The Cat didn't precede the guy by a few years.

No, he's just remembering the dream of SWITCHBLADE BAYLEY!

This makes me sad where it should be exciting as fuck.

Let me elaborate: a number of years ago, while these two were toiling in the undercard, they kept having these amazing yet throwaway classic matches that they honestly had zero right to have. I distinctly remember calling them "each other's Flair and Steamboat". They weren't even feuding. It was legit good shit with no impersonation of Vince in saying that. Absolutely magical stuff. With proper build to present both Dolph and Kofi as actual fucking stars, this could have been a holy shit, WrestleMania level main event match in-the-making.

Instead, I'm just reminded about how the company has dropped the ball on them both, each in different ways... and those matches took place I believe between the time Dolph got that bullshit 90 minute world title reign, and before Randy Orton called Kofi "stupid".

They both deserved better, and this would have been that treatment bearing fruit. Instead, folks won't care nearly as much as they could have if these guys were historically handled better.

To me as a male, if the roles are reversed and my wife is doing a job she loves, making loads of money, gaining lots of notoriety/fame, literally working with her family in her "family business" and she is constantly making the dumb ass decisions about drinking and driving, its ultimatum time.

The household makes plenty of money. No lack of discretionary income whatseoever. If you like to party and its manageable, that's cool. Just no driving there. Always UBER/taxi. Live in an area where there is not any available? I'll drop you off. I'm not available? Pay a neighbor kid to drop her off or arrange for a ride elsewhere.

I may not have explained that as well as possible, but if I love someone and they are making terrible decisions that effect our family, I feel responsible in helping to fix the situation

Yeah but you have no actual insight on how much she's tried to help him.

Nicky Fives has outed himself as Jimmy and Naomi's marriage counselor

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t these were ever seen to public, my first ever photo shoot (Cambridge Studios, Queens NY). My aunt worked at the studio I got a slight discount, still had to save for a couple of weeks! Haha <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KidKrush?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KidKrush</a> <a href="https://t.co/rcgUyksZRT">pic.twitter.com/rcgUyksZRT</a></p>&mdash; taz (@OfficialTAZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialTAZ/status/1414337642565672967?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol someone did this with that pic


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">LMAO!! <a href="https://t.co/9vCY1pHlLj">https://t.co/9vCY1pHlLj</a></p>&mdash; taz (@OfficialTAZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialTAZ/status/1414637503492014091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As someone whose a part of a meaningful and happy marriage, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Raw last night on USA Network was watched by 1,609,000 viewers.<br><br>It was the final major WWE broadcast from the Thunderdome. Fans will be at full capacity for Smackdown in Houston this Fri.<br><br>��Read more info and analysis here: <a href="https://t.co/rNVyXUIADm">https://t.co/rNVyXUIADm</a> <a href="https://t.co/9CXb9QIS7k">pic.twitter.com/9CXb9QIS7k</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1415042171523244035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

^

Same guy pointed out RAW after MITB usually gets a 10% increase in viewership so hopefully they take advantage of that and don't fuck it up...

Fightful reporting the July 23rd SD will have Cena on it to begin the Reigns/Cena feud for SummerSlam.

FINE SPEECH

Mandy Rose has joined the NXT roster


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ummmm. WHAT?!?!? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWENXT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWENXT</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE_MandyRose?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE_MandyRose</a> <a href="https://t.co/XA6Czv6Z4T">pic.twitter.com/XA6Czv6Z4T</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1415109059196424192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has been fighting the fans and insisting they are dumb &amp; wrong for so many years that not only do they have talent that buy into it, but now there are fans who are like &quot;yes fans are dumb and wrong for not liking the shows, we must do better and accept bad shows, sorry Vince&quot;</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415192111947845636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Drew &amp; Jinder are feuding over a stolen sword. AJ &amp; The Viking Raiders are feuding because AJ says &quot;vikings are stinky&quot;. Doudrop gave Alexa a Samoan Drop and Alexa magically disappeared into thin air. Miz &amp; Morrison start fights by squirting water in peoples faces.</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415211151726727169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What the hell is Matt Riddle supposed to be? A child? A really stupid adult? Has anyone on the 137 person writing team ever met an actual stoner?</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415209085335744512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After spending much of the day re-watching the Paul Orndorff/Hulk Hogan feud, it's hard to believe that modern Monday Night RAW is a descendant of that promotion. It feels much more like the natural progression of TNA at it's worst or GLOW.</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415217318372708353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:lol::lol::lol:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The narrative of blaming WWE for everything is getting old, it’s time y’all hold the fans accountable for the shit they do</p>&mdash; (11-5)⚔️⚔️ AFC SOUTH CHAMPIONS (@TitansForever) <a href="https://twitter.com/TitansForever/status/1415152798648446980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This comment is the ultimate wrestling dystopia</p>&mdash; ɔɯpɐ (@NotMcAllister_) <a href="https://twitter.com/NotMcAllister_/status/1415245500706607108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You want them shot or something?</p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1415220783715131393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yer it was annoying when the fans formed the hurt business and broke them up while they were mega over.<br><br>And when that fan pinned The Undertaker to break the streak.<br><br>Damn fans.</p>&mdash; Only Connect Wrestling (@OCWQuizzes) <a href="https://twitter.com/OCWQuizzes/status/1415198275272122370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE has spent the past however many years being combative with its own audience and trying to tell them they are wrong. They have cultivated the atmosphere that we have now, so yes, I blame WWE.</p>&mdash; Agent37 (@Agent_of_Spyral) <a href="https://twitter.com/Agent_of_Spyral/status/1415192727852044288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">you as a grown adult paying $800 to get a 30 year old woman to act like shes 12 and invite you to her playground needs to put you on a fucking government list immediately <a href="https://t.co/cua7L8srIJ">pic.twitter.com/cua7L8srIJ</a></p>&mdash; kj, the boss baby (@notKHRIS) <a href="https://twitter.com/notKHRIS/status/1415342374360961030?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lmaooo yes let’s blame the fans. Sound logic.

Lol Im pretty sure Destor is part of the “blame the fans” crowd based on past conversations. He’d be a good person to grill about that logic.

If WWE listened to fans, indie darlings like Kyle O'Reilly and Cesaro would be multi time champions. There's a reason they do not heed the masses.

AEW "listens to the fans" and that's why their numbers are stagnant. They cater to their fans.

Fucking Zack Ryder would be 5x world champ if the WWE did that.

WWE does listen to fans. They just half-ass it. And that’s why their numbers are falling. Kofi Kingston is a former world champion.

I’d respect them more if they just committed to saying “Fuck the hardcores. We’re focusing on mainstream appeal.”

Instead they try to appeal to everyone at any given time and it ends up appealing to no one.

I'd rather sit through 10 Triple H reigns of terror.

Kofi's ascension wasn't entirely organic. Fans weren't clamoring for a Kofi Kingston title run until he was chosen to replace Ali in the elimination chamber match. The push began in February and culminated in April when he won the belt. It's not even in the same league as that of Daniel Bryan's rise. There was no sustained uproar after Kingston lost the title to Brock. The fans like to pretend that they care. It was merely a business decision for an obvious reason. Just like the smackdown women's championship match at this year's Wrestlemania event.

I think this is pretty true, no wrestling fan wants WWE to put on a bad show and it's generally frustrating they've been so all over the place for the last decade.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nobody hates WWE. If it was actually good, fans would give them their praise. <br><br>They’re just at their lowest point so it gets sh!tted on</p>&mdash; The Real One ☄️ (@WWEREALONE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEREALONE/status/1415011057635151880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Welcome to about 5 years ago. Fans say that and they want to see themselves as honest, but the truth is they have really fucked up ideas about what works and doesn’t work. They still have markish responses to the product that they think they are smarter than, and they react as contrarians to a lot of shit.

It doesn’t absolve WWE if their more egregious shit. They’re largely responsible for this climate, where voices that just want to enjoy wrestling are drowned out by people who think that their opinions are good or developed enough to warrant being heard. They ran off normal fans. But fans are not these unbiased arbiters of quality either. They will choose Zack Ryder over John Cena like it’s a good idea. They will lie about how over something is or isn’t. They want a product for their obsessive ego. You kind of have to move past that fan and the people in that circle who empower these really zonkers dispositions.

Virgil created the NWO guys....
 

it's a real game Meatsauce Madness

lol amazing

What's amazing is the fookin meatsauce! MOAR SAUCE!

There's still loads of tickets for the MSG SmackDown, which is actually being billed as a "SuperShow" with Raw.

I would normally laugh at the Garden not being an instant sellout but just looking at the obscene prices it's not particularly surprising.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW beating Raw in the 18-49 is a big deal for them. I hope it lights a fire under WWE, because now is the time.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1415773169797959682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

People can make all the excuses they want but any wrestling show outdrawing WWE in any demo on any night of the week is a testament to how badly WWE has sat on the ball and butchered their monopoly on the business. They should be so far ahead that this shouldn’t even be a discussion.

People who say AEW viewers are a niche audience whose only fans are the nerdiest of wrestling nerds are exactly right... And that’s why WWE should be embarrassed. They won a war and then took 20 years off and it’s showing.

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Plans have apparently changed big time for SummerSlam

98 years