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Triple A 09-09-2021 05:03 PM

With TV ratings dropping across the board every year due to fewer people watching live TV, I feel like it's more likely that the way AEW could beat Raw in viewers would be when Raw eventually drops down to like 1.1 million or something in a couple of years, rather than AEW getting over 2 million

Mr. Nerfect 09-09-2021 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5478115)
With TV ratings dropping across the board every year, I feel like it's more likely that the way AEW could beat Raw in viewers would be when Raw eventually drops down to like 1.1 million or something in a couple of years, rather than AEW getting over 2 million

This seems to be a common theory, but the thing is, if the bottom falls out of Raw, AEW is probably going to be effected too. It’s more likely they end up in proportionate circumstances. If Raw loses 40% of its audience, then AEW is likely to lose a large chunk of theirs too. You’d probably have Raw doing 1.1 million and AEW doing 750k.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-09-2021 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5478093)
1.32 million for AEW this week

Gertner, I noticed there was no RIP line. Are you sick? Are you in trouble? Should we send help?

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2021 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5478115)
With TV ratings dropping across the board every year due to fewer people watching live TV, I feel like it's more likely that the way AEW could beat Raw in viewers would be when Raw eventually drops down to like 1.1 million or something in a couple of years, rather than AEW getting over 2 million

They already got the first part of the equation unlocked since this week's AEW show beat this week's RAW show in terms of the key demo viewers. Did it without having to include DVR viewers which is how CM Punk's debut Rampage show managed to top both RAW and SmackDown shows that week.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first time Dynamite beat Raw in 18 to 49 in the same week.<br><br>Dynamite was also ahead of Raw in M18-49 and P35-49.<br><br>Dynamite ranked #1 among cable originals in the 18-49 demo for the day, according to Showbuzz.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1436059141718646786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The general consensus online is AEW could probably over take RAW in terms of overall viewers this Fall but Meltzer thinks next Fall is more likely based on current trends and AEW's female viewership not being stable or strong enough where that could be possible yet.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-09-2021 06:17 PM

I think it’ll be around a year or so before Dynamite gets close to or matches Raw but as of late I’d imagine they and TNT are very happy with the results so far.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-09-2021 06:21 PM

The elite v Danielson drew 1.5m viewers. Color me impressed.

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2021 06:38 PM

Wrestlenomics Brandon Thurston gave some more details about AEW's ratings this week compared to WWE's shows.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patreon post has been updated with additional info, charts and context: <a href="https://t.co/Eb1yQbsqwF">https://t.co/Eb1yQbsqwF</a><br><br>I'll be doing a live YouTube ratings talk at 5:30pm ET at this link: <a href="https://t.co/HctgvTMwst">https://t.co/HctgvTMwst</a> <a href="https://t.co/ek6liQ24zq">pic.twitter.com/ek6liQ24zq</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1436065015224754181?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Basically shows how big the gaps are in certain areas that AEW would need to close first before they could even think about toppling RAW in overall viewers in the future. Plus where AEW is cracking the armor of SD which would be an even bigger deal if they toppled them one of these days considering FOX's network status compared to TNT's cable status.

Even if AEW numbers were to drop big next week, they'd still have the valuable experience and foundation in place to act as a launch pad for the next time.

Jordan 09-09-2021 06:50 PM

It only makes sense that AEW is finally beating both NXT and Raw because WWE is essentially a product for retards and burn victims.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-09-2021 08:23 PM

Melissa Santos went on Twitter to proclaim her husband Brian Cage is being misused in AEW and should be a top star. Don’t get me wrong, I like Cage enough. Good look. Great finisher. Kinda clunky in the ring and I’m not big on him trying to wrestle a style that’s not complimentary of his physical appearance, but he’s a good talent and they’ve featured him and mostly protected him since his debut, and he’s in finishing up a year long storyline with team taz. He also can’t cut a decent promo that I’ve seen and seems vanilla as fuck, personality wise. I get it’s get husband and she wants him to be the top guy but let’s be realistic here. He’s far from misused. He’s been beaten clean 3x in the last year as far as I know, one of which was Taz throwing in the towel and the other with Darby pinning him on a crucifix bomb off the top rope and was made to look like an upset.

Misused is certainly not the word I’d use. Underutilized, maybe. But even then.

Triple A 09-09-2021 09:30 PM

Feel like Brian Cage would fit in better in WWE tbh

Supreme Olajuwon 09-09-2021 09:41 PM

Thicc boi power rankings

1) Miro
2) Archer
3) Luchasaurus
4) Wardlow
5) Hobbs
6) Cage

I mean I get it. He’s been pretty much an afterthought. But he hasn’t been very exciting in his time on tv. Hope he can turn it around.

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2021 09:44 PM

Does John Silver count as a thicc boy?

If so, I'd put him and maybe Bear Country over Cage in AEW's thicc boy power rankings.

Supreme Olajuwon 09-09-2021 09:49 PM

Silver is more of a low key thiccums

This is more about meaty men slapping meat.

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2021 09:54 PM

Oh. Those rankings look about right in that case.

Luchasaurs feels a bit too high but can't go wrong with a nice hoss fight between any of those guys together.

Supreme Olajuwon 09-09-2021 10:01 PM

I think Cage is probably a better talent than 3, 4, and 5 on the list. But where they are on card now, he’s definitely at the bottom.

Still better than Hager though.

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2021 10:13 PM

Yeah I'd put Cage over Hager and maybe even Bear Country over Hager.

That recent MMA style match Hager had against Wardlow would have been way better had it been much shorter. Both guys being gassed half-way deflated a lot of the excitement their hoss fight had up until that point.

Even in Lucha Underground, Hager felt more in the lower end for meaty guys which made giving him LU's top belt a big head scratchier, especially since the company shut down right before the whole evil higher power supernatural group with him storyline would have taken off.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-09-2021 10:18 PM

Luchasaurus is ridiculously over, which Cage isn’t. I didn’t realize Hobbs has beef wrestling since 2009. He’s still 7 years younger than Cage. Wardlow isn’t doing much more of anything at all than Cage.

I don’t think Cage has much to complain about. He’s still getting tv time and segments and he’s getting another match with Starks before they hopefully move on to the Punk v Team Taz feud they planted seeds for.

I think breaking Cage from Taz was a bad idea for him. He needs a mouthpiece and he works well as a heater/hired gun type where he can just wreck guys and not talk much.

Supreme Olajuwon 09-09-2021 10:27 PM

The timing didn’t work out but if Cage would’ve ended up being Dan Lambert’s muscle it would’ve been perfect.

Supreme Olajuwon 09-09-2021 10:28 PM

AEW definitely has a thicc boi dilemma. Basically only Miro and Archer can get themselves over. Everybody else needs help.

Triple A 09-09-2021 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5478230)
I think breaking Cage from Taz was a bad idea for him. He needs a mouthpiece and he works well as a heater/hired gun type where he can just wreck guys and not talk much.

Yeah def... But even when Taz was cutting promos for him and Cage would just stand there doing his throat cutting gesture, he would do it in such an uninspired way...

Lock Jaw 09-09-2021 11:06 PM

The most I remember about Cage is the time I saw him in Lucha Underground and he would yell "I'm not a man... I'M A MAAAAAACHIIIIIINE" at the top of his lungs

Damian Rey 2.0 09-09-2021 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5478240)
Yeah def... But even when Taz was cutting promos for him and Cage would just stand there doing his throat cutting gesture, he would do it in such an uninspired way...

His signature mannerisms look very unnatural. And I think that comes from his general lack of charisma. I’ve heard good things about his work from lucha underground, and in ring I believe it. But promo wise he’s just not that interesting and between him and Starks it’s easy to see why they’re running with Starks.

slik 09-09-2021 11:59 PM

Randomly thinking about that time Kevin Owens did an impersonation of Enzo Amore

slik 09-10-2021 12:00 AM

so funny


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/Infatuated...restricted.gif

slik 09-10-2021 12:08 AM

Anyway, KO should join AEW

slik 09-10-2021 12:09 AM

KO/MJF mic battle

slik 09-10-2021 12:09 AM

prob should have put this in the jumping ship thread but I do what I want

Lock Jaw 09-10-2021 12:11 AM

https://i.imgur.com/JHRSy4X.gif

Damian Rey 2.0 09-10-2021 12:41 AM

He’s almost certainly going to aew

slik 09-10-2021 02:55 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What’s interesting is that Long Island is a TERRIBLE market for wrestling.Heyman once berated us for “sitting on their hands” during a commercial break. Note this is huge that a new company has broke the wall on Long Island. <a href="https://twitter.com/bullyray5150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bullyray5150</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BustedOpenRadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BustedOpenRadio</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMickFoley</a> <a href="https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c">https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c</a></p>&mdash; Jono (@drjonosuave) <a href="https://twitter.com/drjonosuave/status/1436348974445826053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat 09-10-2021 03:20 PM

According to Tony Khan, the newest estimates for All Out 2021's ppv buys are over 200,000 based on current data numbers from linear ppv providers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
While the final numbers from linear pay-per-view providers still have to be calculated, AEW's Tony Khan said that last Sunday's All Out brought in more than 200,000 buys -- a record for the company.

After those linear buys are figured out, that number is expected to grow significantly.

Speaking on his Friday segment for Busted Open Radio, Khan didn't provide any other details but was very happy about the success, specifically thanking CM Punk, his roster and the fans ...

Khan also noted they have sold more than 100,000 Punk t-shirts and thousands upon thousands of ice cream bars since his debut.


Bad News Gertner 09-10-2021 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5478380)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What’s interesting is that Long Island is a TERRIBLE market for wrestling.Heyman once berated us for “sitting on their hands” during a commercial break. Note this is huge that a new company has broke the wall on Long Island. <a href="https://twitter.com/bullyray5150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bullyray5150</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BustedOpenRadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BustedOpenRadio</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMickFoley</a> <a href="https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c">https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c</a></p>&mdash; Jono (@drjonosuave) <a href="https://twitter.com/drjonosuave/status/1436348974445826053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


It's not called the "Nassau Mausoleum" for nothing

Triple A 09-10-2021 04:06 PM

Yeah I remember WWE crowds at Nassau Coliseum always being awful for some reason

UBS Arena is literally on the border of NYC/Queens, a half hour drive closer to NYC than Nassau Coliseum, so probably will get more NYC fans

Bad News Gertner 09-10-2021 04:57 PM

Them and Corpus Christi

Triple A 09-11-2021 11:57 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First look at AEW DARK on Soundstage 19 at Universal Studios. <a href="https://twitter.com/BodyslamNet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BodyslamNet</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> <a href="https://t.co/zShwa390g0">pic.twitter.com/zShwa390g0</a></p>&mdash; Trent Osborne of Bodyslam.Net (@TrentOsborneFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrentOsborneFS/status/1436716854232428556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 09-11-2021 03:53 PM

they opened more seats up for long island


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Presents Dynamite &amp; Rampage<br>Wed • Dec 08 • 7:00 PM<br>UBS Arena, Belmont Park - Long Island, NY<br><br>Available Tickets =&gt; 3,063 (-242)<br>Estimated Capacity =&gt; 8,851<br>Tickets Distributed =&gt; 5,788 (65%)<a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/irC5Avo7CI">pic.twitter.com/irC5Avo7CI</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1436736273927090177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Evil Vito 09-12-2021 11:44 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This queens show is going to be something really special for AEW and the fans in the building.</p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1436766669746188289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also said All Out would be special and have several surprises about 2 weeks before the show, which of course happened.

No idea what else they could bust out for Queens with Bryan and Cole already having debuted. Flair showing up would be cool but hardly feel like a game-changer. Bray can't show up yet. Braun, Murphy, etc aren't anything that would feel like a big deal compared to the other debuts.

I'd say Jay White can turn up for a Bullet Club invasion but it's basically just him and Chris Bey at this point, everyone else is in Japan for the G1.

Maybe Hangman makes his return? That will be a big pop obviously.

If another WWE contract expired I'd imagine Fightful will find out before the show gets here lol.

I trust it'll be a damn good show no matter what but truly no idea what other rabbit they can pull out of the hat.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-12-2021 12:30 PM

I think hangman returns are Arthur Ashe to save Bryan after he gets jumped by the elite

Jordan 09-12-2021 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5478714)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This queens show is going to be something really special for AEW and the fans in the building.</p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1436766669746188289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also said All Out would be special and have several surprises about 2 weeks before the show, which of course happened.

No idea what else they could bust out for Queens with Bryan and Cole already having debuted. Flair showing up would be cool but hardly feel like a game-changer. Bray can't show up yet. Braun, Murphy, etc aren't anything that would feel like a big deal compared to the other debuts.

I'd say Jay White can turn up for a Bullet Club invasion but it's basically just him and Chris Bey at this point, everyone else is in Japan for the G1.

Maybe Hangman makes his return? That will be a big pop obviously.

If another WWE contract expired I'd imagine Fightful will find out before the show gets here lol.

I trust it'll be a damn good show no matter what but truly no idea what other rabbit they can pull out of the hat.

They don't have to have a debut to make it an amazing show.

Evil Vito 09-12-2021 10:44 PM

Oh I totally agree with that. But in the comments people were asking "do you mean someone else is showing up" and he was liking the tweets.

Give me Danielson's in-ring debut and I'll be happy as a clam.

Lock Jaw 09-12-2021 11:20 PM

The Anonymous GM of RAW is All-Elite

slik 09-13-2021 08:16 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS WEDNESDAY, <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMPunk</a> will be LIVE as a special guest commentator on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> at 8/7c on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a>! <a href="https://t.co/roHF4OzRxU">pic.twitter.com/roHF4OzRxU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1437564248809431043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damian Rey 2.0 09-13-2021 09:40 PM

Gotta be during a team taz match and I’m ALL IN on Punk and Taz cutting promos on each other

Tom Guycott 09-14-2021 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5479083)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS WEDNESDAY, <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMPunk</a> will be LIVE as a special guest commentator on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> at 8/7c on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a>! <a href="https://t.co/roHF4OzRxU">pic.twitter.com/roHF4OzRxU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1437564248809431043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5479207)
Gotta be during a team taz match and I’m ALL IN on Punk and Taz cutting promos on each other

It's all fun and games until Hook spills his diet soda...

Lock Jaw 09-14-2021 12:36 AM

They already out of ideas for Punk?

xrodmuc316 09-14-2021 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5479324)
They already out of ideas for Punk?

Nobody ask him if he changed the culture, he does not react well to that question :lol:

Emperor Smeat 09-14-2021 05:09 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well damn. <a href="https://t.co/qoV1uTedC1">pic.twitter.com/qoV1uTedC1</a></p>&mdash; ��Adam Goldberg  (@adamgoldberg28) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamgoldberg28/status/1437096711797854221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ron the dial 09-14-2021 05:46 PM

hahahaha i love tony so much

Lock Jaw 09-15-2021 01:08 AM

Too much profanity.....

Mr. Nerfect 09-16-2021 02:43 AM

And Bryan is wrestling in a non-title match at Grand Slam. Told you they would fuck it up.

slik 09-16-2021 02:53 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Makin’ moves…! <a href="https://t.co/ii85XijS8N">https://t.co/ii85XijS8N</a></p>&mdash; Rosario Dawson (@rosariodawson) <a href="https://twitter.com/rosariodawson/status/1438322338098032644?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

drave 09-16-2021 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5480236)
And Bryan is wrestling in a non-title match at Grand Slam. Told you they would fuck it up.


This was going to be your take, regardless.

XL 09-16-2021 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5480236)
And Bryan is wrestling in a non-title match at Grand Slam. Told you they would fuck it up.

Can I ask for some detail on how?

Jordan 09-16-2021 11:11 AM

I am super excited for Danielson/Omega at Grand Slam, super excited to be there live and witness it but even if I wasn't going to attend I'd be pumped to watch it. Having a non-title is fine, Danielson shouldn't get an immediate title shot as was discussed during the angle last night thus it's a match for bragging rights, who is the best?

The title can come into play later on if that's where AEW ends up going with Danielson/Omega. Though I'm having doubts that AEW will offer a rematch on the PPV after having the first encounter on TV, twice in a row after they did that with Christian and Omega. Full Gear will probably be Omega/Hangman, I presume.

Anyway.

One issue I'm having with Danielson so far is that I feel the crowd should be hotter for him than they are. Perhaps it's because of the knowledge we all had that he was coming in. Perhaps it's because Punk was so overwhelming for everyone just weeks before. But the biggest thing I'm noticing is that if Danielson came out and did his YES gesture that the fans would probably be in unison with him and chanting YES as loud as possible.

Without the YES he doesn't really have a chant for the crowd. In WWE it was DANIEL BRYAN clap clap clap clap clap or YES YES YES. So either the fans will get creative and come up with something new for him or AEW will direct them to something new somehow. But he needs that chant to get the reaction we all expect from him.

I do not foresee YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD KICKED IN chant to get back on the Danielson stage. Newark basically no sold The American Dragon mention last night.

I know Bryan said he didn't know if he was able to do the YES chant and gesture but I am quite certain he can. I just don't think he wants to, which is fine. I think that he could end up best used as a heel after this program with Omega. Most of his more interesting matches are actually with babyfaces so I think eventually he goes bad Bryan.

Jordan 09-16-2021 11:14 AM

Also I know that some are expecting Punk to be heel eventually and sure eventually that could happen. But as of now he's easily the biggest babyface in pro wrestling and has an incredible connection to the fans so I wouldn't want to see that go to waste so he can be mean.

ron the dial 09-16-2021 11:46 AM

got tickets to the 11/24 dynamite/rampage. 69 days baby.

Jordan 09-16-2021 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron the dial (Post 5480271)
got tickets to the 11/24 dynamite/rampage. 69 days baby.

How many AEW shows have you been to now?

ron the dial 09-16-2021 12:11 PM

just revolution 2020, the first dance, and all out 2021. this will be my first dynamite so i'm pretty excited. it's pretty much impossible for me to make it to the now arena during the week, but with this being a holiday and in chicago proper it'll be easier.

ron the dial 09-16-2021 12:16 PM

we did try to get tickets to all in and the first all out but obviously those sold out in a heartbeat. now i get those presale codes so that helps.

ron the dial 09-16-2021 12:17 PM

you're going to grand slam, yeah? have you been to any others?

everyone, tell me the aew shows you've been to, please.

slik 09-16-2021 12:45 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damn at this guy's IG story from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/a1Wh8Nu9mE">pic.twitter.com/a1Wh8Nu9mE</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1438534421800443908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner 09-16-2021 05:04 PM

1.175 million. Down 11%

Abandon ship!

R.I.P

Bad News Gertner 09-16-2021 05:26 PM

https://c.tenor.com/LK21FrmR1aoAAAAM/sink-fleet.gif

ron the dial 09-16-2021 05:28 PM

https://i.imgur.com/moRY9qg.gif

xrodmuc316 09-16-2021 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5480331)
1.175 million. Down 11%

Abandon ship!

R.I.P

Ooofa

Bad News Gertner 09-16-2021 06:21 PM

Wow, 2014 Impact called. They want their ratings back.

Eeek. Dixie Carter to buy AEW. That's the rumours I've been hearing.

Bad News Gertner 09-16-2021 06:25 PM

Damian Ray was upset that I didn't comment on last week's ratings so you can blame him for this

Damian Rey 2.0 09-16-2021 09:22 PM

It’s spelled Rey, you ass wipe (PS I love you)

Tom Guycott 09-16-2021 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5480288)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damn at this guy's IG story from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/a1Wh8Nu9mE">pic.twitter.com/a1Wh8Nu9mE</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1438534421800443908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This makes it look like less of a stage dive into an adoring crowd, and more him dropping the Macho Man elbow on someone he didn't want filming him.

XL 09-17-2021 07:13 AM

It’s about as controlled as his elbow drop tbf.

Triple A 09-17-2021 08:29 AM

Rain forecasted for Wednesday in Queens, so looks like the roof will be closed and people will be told to wear masks . . .

drave 09-17-2021 09:40 AM

And then won't anyway!

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5480237)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Makin’ moves…! <a href="https://t.co/ii85XijS8N">https://t.co/ii85XijS8N</a></p>&mdash; Rosario Dawson (@rosariodawson) <a href="https://twitter.com/rosariodawson/status/1438322338098032644?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Straight outta WWE. How did Cody know this was going to happen to position himself in the crowd for the “save.” I use quotes because Rosario Dawson held her own against one of their top heels. And why did security just let her in? WWE gets blasted every time they do a bullshit angle like this.

Remember when Cody used to take shots at WWE having an invisible wall? Lol, the days of any effort being put into their presentation are long gone. It’s sports entertainment tropes all the way.

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5480248)
This was going to be your take, regardless.

No, it wasn’t. The issue is I like good stuff. 95% of AEW is bad. MJF and Brian Pillman, Jr. had a scorcher of a segment last week. Near perfection. I’ve actually rewatched it a few times to just marvel at the performances. I haven’t done that for an MJF promo since prior to his Moxley feud.

If something is good, I’ll say it’s good. It’s just that you can drive a truck through the logic gaps in this program. It rarely makes anyone look better than they already did or should have. The matches are repetitive white noise. The promos are way overrated. The commentary is awful. There are production mishaps all the time. And the show has this self-congratulatory attitude, like they truly believe that anything they do is golden.

I’ve said it before: Start up another promotion with the same resources and book it properly and it does way better than AEW. And the rats will jump from that ship in a second.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5480254)
Can I ask for some detail on how?

Sure. Bryan is over, which is a good start. Guru Dave Callis comes out, and while it’s sad that Cyrus is celebrated as a manager in 2021, he’s not bad at his job. His line about Bryan being a hippy millionaire was actually good. Can’t remember anything else he said. Bryan either had trouble remembering his lines or got lost. He’s doing that unnatural thing wrestlers do in AEW, which is swear to try and sound cool. Jericho does it too. Swearing, on its surface, is not cool on its own. It can make for lovely punctuation, but you have to be 12 to think that calling someone a “piece of shit” in 2021 is edgy.

Bryan does the Goldberg thing and basically pushes his claim to the belt to the side for...reasons. I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.

Instead of giving New York a WrestleMania-level moment they can remember forever and even earmark this as an annual event, they’re going to try and get the snarky crowd to will this forward by manufacturing this “dream match atmosphere.” You know, instead of actually creating drama and having a genuine emotional release.

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5480261)
I am super excited for Danielson/Omega at Grand Slam, super excited to be there live and witness it but even if I wasn't going to attend I'd be pumped to watch it. Having a non-title is fine, Danielson shouldn't get an immediate title shot as was discussed during the angle last night thus it's a match for bragging rights, who is the best?

The title can come into play later on if that's where AEW ends up going with Danielson/Omega. Though I'm having doubts that AEW will offer a rematch on the PPV after having the first encounter on TV, twice in a row after they did that with Christian and Omega. Full Gear will probably be Omega/Hangman, I presume.

Anyway.

One issue I'm having with Danielson so far is that I feel the crowd should be hotter for him than they are. Perhaps it's because of the knowledge we all had that he was coming in. Perhaps it's because Punk was so overwhelming for everyone just weeks before. But the biggest thing I'm noticing is that if Danielson came out and did his YES gesture that the fans would probably be in unison with him and chanting YES as loud as possible.

Without the YES he doesn't really have a chant for the crowd. In WWE it was DANIEL BRYAN clap clap clap clap clap or YES YES YES. So either the fans will get creative and come up with something new for him or AEW will direct them to something new somehow. But he needs that chant to get the reaction we all expect from him.

I do not foresee YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD KICKED IN chant to get back on the Danielson stage. Newark basically no sold The American Dragon mention last night.

I know Bryan said he didn't know if he was able to do the YES chant and gesture but I am quite certain he can. I just don't think he wants to, which is fine. I think that he could end up best used as a heel after this program with Omega. Most of his more interesting matches are actually with babyfaces so I think eventually he goes bad Bryan.

Bragging rights to find out who is the best is what a championship is for. That’s its literal purpose. If you are the two best wrestlers in the world, and one of you wins a match between you, that wrestler should be champion.

I’ve heard people say that Bryan shouldn’t walk into the company and get a title shot? Why not? Why promote him as a giant star and actually tell people he’s one of the best in the world if you’re going to make him climb this fictional ladder? Why put those obstacles in front of themselves?

Fignuts 09-17-2021 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5480539)
Straight outta WWE. How did Cody know this was going to happen to position himself in the crowd for the “save.” I use quotes because Rosario Dawson held her own against one of their top heels. And why did security just let her in? WWE gets blasted every time they do a bullshit angle like this.

Remember when Cody used to take shots at WWE having an invisible wall? Lol, the days of any effort being put into their presentation are long gone. It’s sports entertainment tropes all the way.



No, it wasn’t. The issue is I like good stuff. 95% of AEW is bad. MJF and Brian Pillman, Jr. had a scorcher of a segment last week. Near perfection. I’ve actually rewatched it a few times to just marvel at the performances. I haven’t done that for an MJF promo since prior to his Moxley feud.

If something is good, I’ll say it’s good. It’s just that you can drive a truck through the logic gaps in this program. It rarely makes anyone look better than they already did or should have. The matches are repetitive white noise. The promos are way overrated. The commentary is awful. There are production mishaps all the time. And the show has this self-congratulatory attitude, like they truly believe that anything they do is golden.

I’ve said it before: Start up another promotion with the same resources and book it properly and it does way better than AEW. And the rats will jump from that ship in a second.



Sure. Bryan is over, which is a good start. Guru Dave Callis comes out, and while it’s sad that Cyrus is celebrated as a manager in 2021, he’s not bad at his job. His line about Bryan being a hippy millionaire was actually good. Can’t remember anything else he said. Bryan either had trouble remembering his lines or got lost. He’s doing that unnatural thing wrestlers do in AEW, which is swear to try and sound cool. Jericho does it too. Swearing, on its surface, is not cool on its own. It can make for lovely punctuation, but you have to be 12 to think that calling someone a “piece of shit” in 2021 is edgy.

Bryan does the Goldberg thing and basically pushes his claim to the belt to the side for...reasons. I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.

Instead of giving New York a WrestleMania-level moment they can remember forever and even earmark this as an annual event, they’re going to try and get the snarky crowd to will this forward by manufacturing this “dream match atmosphere.” You know, instead of actually creating drama and having a genuine emotional release.



Bragging rights to find out who is the best is what a championship is for. That’s its literal purpose. If you are the two best wrestlers in the world, and one of you wins a match between you, that wrestler should be champion.

I’ve heard people say that Bryan shouldn’t walk into the company and get a title shot? Why not? Why promote him as a giant star and actually tell people he’s one of the best in the world if you’re going to make him climb this fictional ladder? Why put those obstacles in front of themselves?

I would say that giving bryan a title shot right away would undermine their ranking system, but they haven't really utilized that effectively in the first place.

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5480331)
1.175 million. Down 11%

Abandon ship!

R.I.P

1.1

I remember when SCG Radio made fun of TNA for having a 1.1 problem. They could never get past that rating. AEW has a 1.1 problem of their own. Theirs is viewership.

They just got handed possibly the most likeable star in all of wrestling. Of course that brings them some attention. But then, either because of what that star does or doesn’t do, or the show around them, people tune back out.

WWE gets mocked for losing their audience and not creating new fans. Why does AEW escape criticism for their own ineptitude? 1.4 million people checked them out opposed by other wrestling. About half of those people said “Nope, not for me.” Now they are on a wrestling-free night and they sit at about 1.1 million every week, and every time there is a big star — either from the world of celebrity sports or wrestling — they climb for a moment and then most of those people say “Nope, not for me.”

Can we please stop acting like this show is somehow successful at creating appealing content while WWE is not? What you can say for one can be said for the other. They are both bad television in their different ways, but they are both definitely bad television.

And no, Americans are not known for their taste. Something being popular doesn’t mean it’s good. Conversely, being unpopular doesn’t mean something is bad. But wrestling’s viewership being even as high as it is is reflective of that bad taste. This isn’t something good waiting to be discovered. This is something most people turn off because it doesn’t tick enough boxes for them. Stop lying and telling me it does.

Noid 09-17-2021 05:10 PM

Hey folks, just dropping by to take your fandom down a notch. You see, what you enjoy is not really my cup of tea. It's a bit embarrassing to see you all having such a good time while I bask in my misery. There's room for plenty more, come be miserable with me :wave:

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 05:11 PM

And why would WWE change? The only reason to do so would be to stop talent from jumping ship. But when you jump ship you go from one frying pan into another frying pan. You’re going into witness protection. You’re trading fame and recognition to basically appear on a game show.

And this is the problem I’ve had with AEW from the start. They are not good enough to use their resources to actually put the flame to WWE. So what you’re going to get is WWE being WWE, and their nearest challenger being closer to ROH than them in terms of popularity, making it look like this is the best anyone can do against Vince. It’s actually not a good thing for wrestling, and people won’t look past the simplistic arguments of “Guys have jobs,” “They’re getting paid a lot,” “There’s more wrestling on TV.” This is sucking the well dry, because it’s 10 hours of bad wrestling on basic cable or network TV every week. It’s going to take its toll.

My biggest hope is still that another billionaire comes in and just buys all the talent worth a shit from the indies, MLW, the NWA, ROH and AEW. Tony won’t have the balls to say no to people asking for releases. Either that or all this bad wrestling acts as an incubator, so when someone finally comes along in later years and does something good, it’s like wrestling has been dark for so long that it’s fresh again. 2001-whenever that is will be remembered as the Dark Ages — the Sports Entertainment Years. Then we’ll get the debut of 21st Century Pro-Wrestling.

Noid 09-17-2021 05:21 PM

I too want Dwayne Johnson to start a wrestling promotion that caters to my unique, refined and well endowed taste.

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5480544)
Hey folks, just dropping by to take your fandom down a notch. You see, what you enjoy is not really my cup of tea. It's a bit embarrassing to see you all having such a good time while I bask in my misery. There's room for plenty more, come be miserable with me :wave:

Lol, right on cue. These posts are so predictable. Instead of actually responding to my reasonable post, some of which was directly requested by another poster, here comes a dude with a sock account dedicated to me to try and attack me instead of the actual argument.

Not miserable, folks. Just because I type “This show sucks” doesn’t mean I’m not having a jolly good time doing it. Weird concept, I know. Do I wish wrestling was better? Of course. Am I sorry that one of my favorite art forms has been diluted and trivialized to the point it can barely qualify as art? Sure. But I’m not miserable. I get my wrestling fix from other sources now. And it’s left me with a lot more time to read, exercise, go out for nice meals and work on personal projects. Cutting out wrestling has actually been a net good in my life. It’s just a shame I had to do it.

If you still enjoy this crap, cool. You do you. I’ve said that many times. But there is a difference between subjective enjoyment and objective success. And there’s a difference between you enjoying something and it actually being good.

Don’t tell me that AEW is this raging success where WWE isn’t. Don’t tell me it’s narrowing this gap when it’s not. Don’t tell me that $45 million a year is a shit-load of money in television terms. Don’t tell me that 1.1 million viewers is some amazing number, while 1.75 million is a sinking ship. Don’t fucking lie to me. I don’t lie to you. I tell you exactly what I think on a DISCUSSION BOARD. We’re here to DISCUSS ideas, not blindly prop up your sensitive fandom that can’t survive a healthy dose of reality.

If you love AEW — good for you. Some people like Vegemite too. Cool. Grow a set of balls and enjoy what you enjoy. But you have to accept that some people aren’t going to like it, and that some people are going to call a spade a spade in regards to that.

And that’s why people around here get so bothered by me. It really is. They know I’m right, and it does wet their socks a little. That’s why you don’t see actual retorts to my posts, and just have insecure idiots trying to tell me off for being miserable, posting on a board I’ve been frequenting for 20 years, making sick accounts, telling me to relax, etc. I’m sorry that your wrestling doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. But maybe hold AEW to a higher standard instead of shooting the messenger?

Evil Vito 09-17-2021 05:48 PM

5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Evil Vito 09-17-2021 05:49 PM

Another great day to be a fan of the best professional wrestling company on the planet

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5480560)
5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Lol, look at how edgy this guy is. Apparently he’s ignoring me, yet feels the need to indicate to the gang that he’s cool. Let’s start a dogpile, guys. Fucking coward. And another insecure moron who has me on ignore but is still trying to bait me. This all defeats the point of actually ignoring me, but oh well.

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5480561)
Another great day to be a fan of the best professional wrestling company on the planet

This is the AEW thread.

Noid 09-17-2021 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5480560)
5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Why would you ignore one of the most brightest wrestling minds of our time?

Damian Rey 2.0 09-17-2021 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5480560)
5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Lmao same here

screech 09-18-2021 02:42 AM

The ignore feature might be the best part of this place lol

Lock Jaw 09-18-2021 02:53 AM

Warning, tangent + *stirring the pot*:

I feel like just by being in AEW that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have lost a lot of their "allure"... seeing a small dude "break through" almost "against what the company wanted"... which is just not something that AEW can recreate because there are a million small dudes and the company wants them all to be over.

So in a way, by the very act of being in an "oppressive regime" is what made them great, and without that they are just "another guy"

Evil Vito 09-18-2021 09:57 AM

Bryan Danielson is pretty much universally considered one of the best wrestlers in the world, has yet to wrestle a single AEW match and already he’s get the “just another guy” label?

Lmao.

Lock Jaw 09-18-2021 10:45 AM

Part of that is WWE's fault, and his own for getting a short haircut. He was already feeling not super special anymore. Maybe he can turn it around, but his debut and promos weren't exactly great showings. Pair it with a terrible theme song, mayne not being able to do the "yes" thing, and his short hair, and you get just another talented guy in AEW.

Jordan 09-18-2021 11:57 AM

I think the Omega program is the best first program he could have. The only issue I really have is that without the YES chant his reactions are not as awesome as they could be. It's pretty obvious that Punk is the bigger star right now and maybe even Moxley. But after Wednesday we will see how it goes forward with Danielson.

I expect his reaction to be huge on Wednesday and I think that after his first match we will get deeper with him.

Mr. Nerfect 09-18-2021 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5480732)
Warning, tangent + *stirring the pot*:

I feel like just by being in AEW that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have lost a lot of their "allure"... seeing a small dude "break through" almost "against what the company wanted"... which is just not something that AEW can recreate because there are a million small dudes and the company wants them all to be over.

So in a way, by the very act of being in an "oppressive regime" is what made them great, and without that they are just "another guy"

How the hardcore wrestling bubble and the general wrestling bubble perceive Bryan and Punk signing with AEW is very different. The general bubble doesn’t get much airplay, but there are people out there who absolutely do see Punk as a failed MMA guy and Bryan as a guy that couldn’t hack it in WWE anymore.

For me, the backdrop they’re against just doesn’t do them favors. It was never going to. Like how some people go “I just don’t think (x) is a good fit for New Japan.” I just don’t think Punk and Bryan are really good fits for AEW.

I’m happy these guys are leaving WWE. But there’s just nowhere for them to go that seems like the perfect environment for them. Imagine some other promotion getting Christian Cage, CM Punk, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson and Brock Lesnar this year. Just epic.

Maybe TK will get bored, ask his dad for more money and just buy the NWA or start a new promotion for either Punk or Bryan to actually book? Then he can send the guys that want to do pro-wrestling there and leave AEW for the sports entertainment stuff.

Vastardikai 09-18-2021 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5480540)
I would say that giving bryan a title shot right away would undermine their ranking system, but they haven't really utilized that effectively in the first place.

"Destination Unknown..."

As for the one last Ace Tony Khan talked about, I have a 100% guarantee: We will see Marty Scurrl in AEW before we see Bray Wyatt. I can say that because, even if the only member of the Elite not in AEW never "Whoop Whoops" his way to the ring due to allegations, Bray Wyatt will not be in AEW. Will we see Windham Rotunda? Possibly, maybe even absolutely. But We will not Bray Wyatt in AEW for the same reason we didn't see Johnny B. Badd in WWF.

Time will tell if Windham Rotunda the wrestler is as big of a star as Bray Wyatt the character was. I doubt it.

Also, there are more than enough Neckbeard fans that would love to see the Villain in AEW. Too bad AEW isn't big on having abusers on their payroll, except for the ones that they have.

Mr. Nerfect 09-18-2021 05:59 PM

AEW was down 11%. NXT was up 28%. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking about Dynamite surpassing Raw?

Noid 09-18-2021 07:22 PM

Realistically, who cares if Dynamite beats RAW in the ratings. They're already producing relatively better content.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-18-2021 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5480732)
Warning, tangent + *stirring the pot*:

I feel like just by being in AEW that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have lost a lot of their "allure"... seeing a small dude "break through" almost "against what the company wanted"... which is just not something that AEW can recreate because there are a million small dudes and the company wants them all to be over.

So in a way, by the very act of being in an "oppressive regime" is what made them great, and without that they are just "another guy"

CM Punk sold out an area and pulled a million tv viewers on the rumor of him showing up and along Danielson helped sell 200k PPVs. Plus their merch is red hot.

Plus Punk and Danielson were instead draws and very popular in a very un WEE environment because they’re talented not because they’re trying to break thru a glass ceiling.

#1-norm-fan 09-18-2021 09:37 PM

NXT rating up 28%.

TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along rating up 200%.

The numbers don’t lie.

Mr. Nerfect 09-18-2021 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5480861)
Realistically, who cares if Dynamite beats RAW in the ratings. They're already producing relatively better content.

A lot of people do. It can be a measure of whether something is effective. It’s not a 1:1 comparison of whether or not something is actually good, but you can measure how effective something is at retaining viewers.

Big disagree they are producing better content. When you take things in isolation (I can’t stomach watching full shows), a lot of what the WWE produces is actually better than AEW. They just have the good vibes. A good match in WWE is better than a good match in AEW, and promos largely suck across the board. But a Paul Heyman promo is going to put anything in AEW, except for maybe MJF on ice. And the shows are sometimes even more logical in WWE, which is weird and uncomfortable to say.

xrodmuc316 09-18-2021 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5480540)
I would say that giving bryan a title shot right away would undermine their ranking system, but they haven't really utilized that effectively in the first place.

I would argue Bryan is the biggest star they have ever, and probably will ever sign. All that he shouldn't just walk in a get a title shot is bullshit too, because they literally did exactly that with Ruby Soho. Yes she had to win a battle royal, but if anybody thinks Bryan has to prove himself, well I would say they have no knowledge of professional wrestling history.

The guy is a 2 time Wrestlemania Main Eventer, which is the total number of WM Main Eventers the ENTIRE AEW roster has, and those go back to 2000 and 2002 with Big Show and Jericho.

Sepholio 09-18-2021 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5480876)
NXT rating up 28%.

TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along rating up 200%.

The numbers don’t lie.

...We should start our own rasslin promotion tbh.

Mr. Nerfect 09-18-2021 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5480879)
I would argue Bryan is the biggest star they have ever, and probably will ever sign. All that he shouldn't just walk in a get a title shot is bullshit too, because they literally did exactly that with Ruby Soho. Yes she had to win a battle royal, but if anybody thinks Bryan has to prove himself, well I would say they have no knowledge of professional wrestling history.

The guy is a 2 time Wrestlemania Main Eventer, which is the total number of WM Main Eventers the ENTIRE AEW roster has, and those go back to 2000 and 2002 with Big Show and Jericho.

Lol, right? What did Ruby Soho do anywhere that qualifies her for a title shot that Danielson hasn’t? Soho won a staggered Battle Royal with an advantage over all her competition without even the publicly known pedigree of a successful run elsewhere.

But it’s totally illogical for Bryan Danielson — six-time World fucking Champion and probably former #1 on their exonerated PWI Top 200 several times — to get a title shot against the guy he is having an alleged “dream match” with anyway.

Hogwash. I actually think they will do an angle to make it a title match on the show, because it’s just ludicrous to not.


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