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Fignuts 08-27-2020 05:49 PM

He reduced his punishment to a fine, and his main problem wasn't necessarily that they they were a face and heel hanging out together, but rather a face and heel who are currently in a program together hanging out.

Even then, his main issue wasn't that they were doing it, but rather it was found out that they were doing it. I don't think he even blamed Sonya and Mandy for it, as it was mentioned The Sheik used to hang out with faces occasionally. But no matter the circumstances, if a face was caught fraternizing with a heel in the old days, they were fined or fired.

It's an old school mentality that isn't relevant today. I agree with cornette on how the actual wrestling programming should be done to make the viewer forget that it's scripted and lose themselves in the story, but wrestlers adhering to kayfabe outside the ring isn't going to bring any of the "magic" wrestling had, back. That toothpaste is never going back in the bottle no matter what you do, so I don't expect wrestlers to live their lives by those old standards.

Within reason of course. I don't care about faces and heels hanging out or doing podcasts, but stuff like Jericho and Omega doing a podcast about their match literally the day afterwards is a bit much.

Emperor Smeat 08-27-2020 05:54 PM

The transcript for that episode mentioned him first saying WWE should have fined them and then changing his mind saying they should have been fired instead.

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Originally Posted by wwfoldschool.com
Cornette was mad at the fact that Rose and Deville broke kayfabe by staying together (as that information came out during the Sonya Deville – stalker incident).

“It’s okay if they were in their homes together and then nobody found out, but if it becomes public they must be fined.”

Cornette then changed his mind and said that they should be fired for it.

“Hair vs. Hair match… Oh for f*ck’s sake! Well, they’re both attractive looking young ladies, so who’s gonna bite that bullet. One of them is just going to shave their f*cking head.

Well, once again if I mean I’m all in favor. That’s a match you can’t call. The finish to it, and I think it would be a big draw, if they could actually sell tickets. They can’t even sell pay-per-view because there’s no such thing anymore. It’s on the network, right? So why the f*ck would either one of them want to get their head shaved?

Are they just paying a bonus for the hell of it? But nevertheless, okay they’re wrestling on the big show. They’re just in the world wide news in each other’s home.

I say f*cking fire them! I’d fire them. Fire them in six months like they did with Gallows and Anderson. When they fired then it was convenient, but fun. Got to be consistent f*cking sh*tting on their f*cking match right in their home.”


Fignuts 08-27-2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5369312)

Him and Meltzer have had some really bad opinions and views on women's wrestling in recent times.

He's not wrong about a lot of it. He clarified recently that they're trying to push women as equally as men when there aren't nearly as many good female workers as there are men.

Again, as I've said many times, the Women's Revolution doesn't really work because they don't have the depth ton the roster to make it work. You've got a handful of good to great workers, and the rest are anywhere from tolerable to the drizzling shits. And they seem to really like pushing the ones who are the drizzling shits.

What I don't agree with cornette is WHO can work. He doesn't seem to like any of the japanese women, for instance, whereas I'd argue they're the most polished female workers there. Hell, most people would agree Asuka and Kairi, were the most entertaining act for a while on Raw and Smackdown.

Meanwhile, he fawns over Rhea Ripley who is certainly talented, but also still green as grass. I like her, and I think she'll eventually join that handful of great workers, but as of right now, I don't get perticularly hyped for her matches.

Fignuts 08-27-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5369321)
The transcript for that episode mentioned him first saying WWE should have fined them and then changing his mind saying they should have been fired instead.

I think that was just him getting worked up by Brian Last.

Fignuts 08-27-2020 06:03 PM

Either way, I'm not agreeing with him or anything. Just saying his opinion on it is more because of the time he worked in the business and how it would have played out then, as opposed to hm just being a terrible person or anything like that.

Gerard 08-27-2020 06:25 PM

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Flair with what looks like a wwf tag team belt. Must have been after he sent the proper belt back.

Emperor Smeat 08-27-2020 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5369325)
He's not wrong about a lot of it. He clarified recently that they're trying to push women as equally as men when there aren't nearly as many good female workers as there are men.

Again, as I've said many times, the Women's Revolution doesn't really work because they don't have the depth ton the roster to make it work. You've got a handful of good to great workers, and the rest are anywhere from tolerable to the drizzling shits. And they seem to really like pushing the ones who are the drizzling shits.

I'd blame WWE's general incompetence way more for any failures with the Women's Revolution and Evolution movements than anything depth or talent related.

I'd also argue that WWE does have the depth needed to make it be a real game changer but have been constantly stunting its true potential because they simply can't get away from their bad habits. NXT has already shown that when you take away WWE's bad approach to things, a women's division can easily thrive and be just as successful in carrying a brand as their men's division.

Like only WWE could take something as monumental as women main eventing Mania for the first time and instead of using that as the springboard of the next big phase, they quickly squander all of that momentum because they never actually cared about it to begin with. That showed big time once Ronda left.

Jordan 08-27-2020 07:52 PM

I don't really like women's wrestling. Women's MMA is different but I'm just not into women's wrestling beyond the greats.

Bad News Gertner 08-27-2020 07:57 PM

This is sooooooo fucking cool



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A personal favorite clip of mine: In January 1983, while on <a href="https://twitter.com/Letterman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Letterman</a> to promote “Videodrome,” <a href="https://twitter.com/BlondieOfficial?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BlondieOfficial</a> talks about how <a href="https://twitter.com/chrissteinplays?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@chrissteinplays</a> has turned her into a big pro wrestling fan.<br><br>“We like the Atlanta show because it’s a little bit funkier, and they get more…crazed.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/bezkVbNKIk">pic.twitter.com/bezkVbNKIk</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1128431650831044609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat 08-27-2020 11:00 PM

"Bullet" Bob Armstrong passed away today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It is with a very heavy heart we announce the passing of our Father and <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> Hall of Famer “Bullet” Bob Armstrong. Information regarding funeral arrangements will come at a later date.</p>&mdash; Scott Armstrong (@WWEArmstrong) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEArmstrong/status/1299171076803637249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner 08-27-2020 11:06 PM

So sad. One tough morherfucker.

Seanny One Ball 08-28-2020 02:00 PM

Damn, he looked stronger than all of his sons even in the 90's.

Seanny One Ball 08-28-2020 02:01 PM

His SMW shit was great. Might have to watch some tonight.

Bad News Gertner 08-28-2020 02:53 PM

Beau James told a story where Bob had a 180 dumbbell fell on his face because the weight bench broke. Completely crushed his face and almost died. Dude was wrestling again within a month or so.

Bad News Gertner 08-28-2020 02:55 PM

Armstrong was lying on a bench, doing two-arm pullovers with about 180 pounds when his world turned upside down. “The bench wasn’t nailed down or bolted down. It was my fault completely,” he said. “I had just started to pull it over when the bench slid and broke and all the weight came down on my face. It tore my nose off and broke every bone in my face
His son Brad, Ronnie Garvin, and Pez Whatley helped him get emergency treatment. “My face was just about gone. It turned black, blue, and yellow with no nose. We put a sheet over my head so that people wouldn’t scream. They put me back together but it took a while and I lost about 30 pounds, maybe more"

Seanny One Ball 08-28-2020 03:03 PM

Yeah the truth behind The Bullet gimmick is some Ed Leslie level shit.
It sounds quite funny/gross until you actually hear the details and then it's not funny anymore.

Emperor Smeat 08-28-2020 04:02 PM

Meltzer had an interesting lengthy story in this week's Observer Newsletter and reposted in the Sheets thread about Armstrong's career in Georgia Championship Wrestling and a big feud with Roddy Rowdy Piper he had back in the early 80s.

Basically that feud managed to generate the first ever million viewers shows for cable TV wrestling in the US but because of a poor booking decision by Ole Anderson, it also killed a potential big money maker feud and Piper as a big draw for the company. Owner of GCW wanted Piper to win while Ole Anderson refused since he didn't want an outsider to beat one of his stars and as a result quickly deflated both the feud's drawing power and Piper's star power during his time there.

Mr. Nerfect 08-28-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5369305)
Cornette is right most of the time because his arguments are based on logic and things just making sense.

Brian Last was right to blow up on him for skipping Io vs Dakota though. That was a good match. I've banged on about the problems with modern women's wrestling on here before, so I don't blame Cornette for skipping women's matches but fuck's sake, he keeps watching the shitty ones, and skipping over the good ones. No wonder Brian lost it.

Lol, I don’t blame Cornette though. It’s just banter between the two, and I think Corny does it to prove a point now, but it’s a valid point. Audiences don’t owe talent their attention. You have to win them over. There’s so much bad shit that the good shit doesn’t get a chance. Cornette would not be unique in this.

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5369312)
Didn't he also get into some hot water recently in regards to him saying WWE should have fired both Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose for breaking kayfabe following Deville's stalker incident.

Him and Meltzer have had some really bad opinions and views on women's wrestling in recent times.

I listen to all Cornette’s podcasts, and I don’t remember anything about this re: Sonya’s stalking incident. All he he did was say that it’s horrible, but joked that’s probably her bad luck, so now would be the worst time to take time off. His only quip about them being friendly with each other was in dismissing whoever cut the promo because no one buys any of it because everyone knows they’re really besties.

drave 08-28-2020 06:52 PM

He 100% said they should be fired, backed down to saying a fine and/or 6 month "cool off" period all in the name of kayfabe


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Jim Cornette went off about this on his Jim Cornette Experience podcast. Cornette called for Rose and Deville to be fired for breaking kayfabe. Obviously, his old-school mentality called for it, but then he backed off his initial point a bit.



Cornette stated that WWE should have at least fined Rose and Deville for being caught together in that situation. Another alternative would be to wait about six months for the “heat to die down and then fire them.” He also chastised Deville for taking Rose to the police to begin with as he alluded that Sonya Deville should have kayfabed a very real and scary situation.

fundiddle 08-28-2020 07:40 PM

apologist!? poppycock. he's not running for re-election or something

Fignuts 08-28-2020 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5369657)
Lol, I don’t blame Cornette though. It’s just banter between the two, and I think Corny does it to prove a point now, but it’s a valid point. Audiences don’t owe talent their attention. You have to win them over. There’s so much bad shit that the good shit doesn’t get a chance. Cornette would not be unique in this.



I listen to all Cornette’s podcasts, and I don’t remember anything about this re: Sonya’s stalking incident. All he he did was say that it’s horrible, but joked that’s probably her bad luck, so now would be the worst time to take time off. His only quip about them being friendly with each other was in dismissing whoever cut the promo because no one buys any of it because everyone knows they’re really besties.

Nah, I listened to that episode and he definitely said all that stuff. Like I said earlier, I don’t think he said any of it out of anger towards Sonya or Mandy. He just comes from an era that was very unforgiving about that.

Bad News Gertner 08-28-2020 08:15 PM

No different than his thoughts on HBK during the Curtain Call.

Volare 08-29-2020 12:30 AM

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fundiddle 08-29-2020 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RastafarianMon (Post 5369699)
look up the definition.

define the actual controversy, again we're not talking about the orange one

slik 08-29-2020 02:56 AM

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Volare 08-29-2020 09:38 AM

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Ol Dirty Dastard 08-29-2020 11:38 AM

The Omega thing speaks to how Twitter is some weird, imaginary world. People going bonkers over this. It fucking means nothing...Omega literally just messing around, maybe creating a bit of buzz. Yet, you read the responses, it's this whole "thing." Jesus.

slik 08-29-2020 11:54 AM

Everything is SERIOUS BUSINESS to wrestling Twitter, it's all life or death

slik 08-29-2020 01:32 PM

Actually, it's not just wrestling Twitter, it's all of Twitter.

I've seen people get attacked for posting BEFORE and AFTER pictures of weight loss/muscle gain bc they are "Fat Phobic" and 'Fat Shaming"

Seanny One Ball 08-29-2020 01:59 PM

If you're posting Tweets please do a quick synopsis for those of us that loath clicking unsatisfying links to idiotic opinions.

Thx. Xxx

xrodmuc316 08-29-2020 02:47 PM

PWI really named Moxley wrestler of the year?!?!? Based on what, like 15 matches and the same exact promo for a year straight?

Just wow. Not even thinking about outside feds, Jericho and Cody both blew what Mox has done of of the water.

Mr. Nerfect 08-29-2020 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RastafarianMon (Post 5369671)
why am i not surprised that someone like mr. nerfect would be a cornette apologist. pretentious contrarians are the worst.

There’s nothing to defend. I just didn’t remember him saying it. I must have zoned out. He’s not wrong. Wrestling is way better when people stick to kayfabe. It should be part of the job. If Sonya and Mandy are feuding, they shouldn’t be going to get their nails done together or whatever.

Mr. Nerfect 08-29-2020 04:31 PM

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It’s sad that wrestlers are better left to their own devices than be serviced by their TV exposure.

Emperor Smeat 08-29-2020 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5369784)
PWI really named Moxley wrestler of the year?!?!? Based on what, like 15 matches and the same exact promo for a year straight?

Just wow. Not even thinking about outside feds, Jericho and Cody both blew what Mox has done of of the water.

PWI's rankings are based a lot more on kayfabe, star status, and championship reigns than anything work related.

AEW taking the top spot with Moxley either means PWI now recognizes AEW and their World title being equal to WWE and their WWE title or just felt Moxley's top star status and lengthy AEW title reign was enough to surpass anyone from WWE for rankings.

Adam Cole pretty much took WWE's highest spot at #2 due to his top star status in NXT and record setting NXT title reign despite the belt being lower in prestige than WWE's top belts.

xrodmuc316 08-29-2020 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5369815)
PWI's rankings are based a lot more on kayfabe, star status, and championship reigns than anything work related.

AEW taking the top spot with Moxley either means PWI now recognizes AEW and their World title being equal to WWE and their WWE title or just felt Moxley's top star status and lengthy AEW title reign was enough to surpass anyone from WWE for rankings.

Adam Cole pretty much took WWE's highest spot at #2 due to his top star status in NXT and record setting NXT title reign despite the belt being lower in prestige than WWE's top belts.

Sure, but that still doesn't explain him being ranked higher than Cody and Jericho. I just don't think Moxley comes close to either of them.

Emperor Smeat 08-29-2020 06:54 PM

In PWI's eyes, him being AEW's current top star and his lengthy current AEW title reign outweighs Cody's status and TNT title reign. Same for him supplanting Jericho in terms of star status.

Actual in-ring and promo work quality factors less into their rankings than kayfabe.

Plus some other criteria they use that actually benefits AEW more than WWE like a bigger emphasis on wins/loss record.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fightful
The evaluation period for this year's PWI 500 is July 1, 2019 - June 30, 2020. The criteria for ranking includes win-loss record, technical ability, influence on the sport, success against the highest grade of competition, success against the most diverse competition, and activity.


Fignuts 08-29-2020 07:01 PM

Moxley has also had a very good run in NJPW. Capturing the US title twice and having a great run in the G-1. He probably wouldn’t be my pick but I get why he might be someone else’s.

Fignuts 08-29-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5369795)
There’s nothing to defend. I just didn’t remember him saying it. I must have zoned out. He’s not wrong. Wrestling is way better when people stick to kayfabe. It should be part of the job. If Sonya and Mandy are feuding, they shouldn’t be going to get their nails done together or whatever.

I don’t think it accomplishes anything in the current era of wrestling. The rise of the internet killed that aspect of the business completely. Thanks to the web, every wrestling fan is a smart mark now. This incident didn’t expose anything that people didn’t already know. No one assumed they stopped hanging out and being friends because of this feud just like no one assumed Gargano and Ciampa stopped being friends. Everyone knows it’s a work. The difference is that one of those feuds made you forget during the actual programming because everyone from the talent to the creative did a great job in making it an intriguing story.

And that’s really all they can do. Put on a product that captures the fans emotions, and makes them forget for a little while what they already know. But as far as recapturing the “magic” that wrestling once had, well that’s gone forever. The genie is out of the bottle, and no amount of adhering to kayfabe outside of the workplace, no matter how strict, will ever get it back in.

And again, I say all this within reason. No one should be outright throwing away kayfabe in the fans faces like the previously mentioned omega/Jericho podcast.

Mr. Nerfect 08-29-2020 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5369826)
I don’t think it accomplishes anything in the current era of wrestling. The rise of the internet killed that aspect of the business completely. Thanks to the web, every wrestling fan is a smart mark now. This incident didn’t expose anything that people didn’t already know. No one assumed they stopped hanging out and being friends because of this feud just like no one assumed Gargano and Ciampa stopped being friends. Everyone knows it’s a work. The difference is that one of those feuds made you forget during the actual programming because everyone from the talent to the creative did a great job in making it an intriguing story.

And that’s really all they can do. Put on a product that captures the fans emotions, and makes them forget for a little while what they already know. But as far as recapturing the “magic” that wrestling once had, well that’s gone forever. The genie is out of the bottle, and no amount of adhering to kayfabe outside of the workplace, no matter how strict, will ever get it back in.

And again, I say all this within reason. No one should be outright throwing away kayfabe in the fans faces like the previously mentioned omega/Jericho podcast.

It definitely accomplishes something. It puts some fucking effort in and makes things more immersive. That's at the very least. I mean, wrestling itself makes that impossible, because no one acts authentically, but it definitely helps.

Every fan being a smart mark is a problem. It's because they've chased off so many people who are sick of being insulted by no one putting any fucking effort in. It's not the sole reason, but when you cannot believe in this shit, even if you don't believe it, then it's hard to get emotionally invested at all.

You don't need to rub people's faces in it, which you seem to agree with it, so we're really just talking about degrees here, but it absolutely hurts wrestling that it's turned into such a...lazy presentation.

Mr. Nerfect 08-29-2020 08:05 PM

RastafarianMon has got a Noid crush. It's Dastardly.

Bad News Gertner 08-29-2020 08:48 PM

I think so too

slik 08-29-2020 10:11 PM

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Mr. Nerfect 08-30-2020 12:06 AM

Wow, Ryan Satin found someone with less sense than his hand. Eh, she's alright, but her thinking of herself as a "hot girlfriend" and that she counts the number of times she has sex ruins whatever she has going for her.

And Cornette's jab is obviously more because obviously someone has accused Ryan Satin of being a creep (big surprise there) so it's turnabout on the accusations against him. There are actually clever mechanics in there, even if "you can't get laid" is such a weird insult. Then in comes the girlfriend with her "Nuh-uh! He could totally be a creep." Cool. :y:

Mr. Nerfect 08-30-2020 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RastafarianMon (Post 5369851)
can you slide out of these posts and into my private messages?

Hmm. I'll stick to the four fingers on thumb street, thanks.

Volare 08-30-2020 02:37 AM

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GD 08-30-2020 08:14 AM

Did not know that Shayna Baszler was a POC...

Seanny One Ball 08-30-2020 08:36 AM

Everybody is now

Seanny One Ball 08-30-2020 08:38 AM

Rachel Dolezal is an X-POC

Droford 08-30-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5369734)

He's trying to hurt his hair obviously

Droford 08-30-2020 09:27 AM

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the good news is I dont think AEW would be stupid enough to do a divorce angle with a real married couple on their roster like WWE did, but honestly thered be no bigger dick move for MJF to pull than stealing his wife which would fit his character

Ol Dirty Dastard 08-30-2020 09:38 AM

I watched the Roman Reigns segment where he reveals Paul Heyman.

No problem with the move at all, but the entire segment was Roman talking in WWE branded soundbytes. Fortunately, he has a booming, powerful voice to kind of get away with it, but ughhh, no wonder I can't watch at all.

Gerard 08-30-2020 10:36 AM

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Eyeing up another potential porn tape partner no doubt. :|

Volare 08-30-2020 01:15 PM

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Fignuts 08-30-2020 05:33 PM

Yeah that looked slick. I wasn't completely sold on Dakota Kai, but that match won me over.

Damian Rey 2.0 08-30-2020 05:41 PM

So is Reigns a heel now cuz that might be interesting

Emperor Smeat 08-30-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5369946)
So is Reigns a heel now cuz that might be interesting

That seems to be the plan according to PWI.

Braun is also staying as a heel but Bray supposedly is turning face soon in order to balance things out in the title scene.

Volare 08-30-2020 06:20 PM

https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...89&oe=5F73AA9F

xrodmuc316 08-30-2020 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5369909)
the good news is I dont think AEW would be stupid enough to do a divorce angle with a real married couple on their roster like WWE did, but honestly thered be no bigger dick move for MJF to pull than stealing his wife which would fit his character

That would be such a great career move for her!:roll:

Emperor Smeat 08-30-2020 06:34 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fucking HELL �� 1982 ran out of cocaine in one promo. Jack Brisco looked like a disappointed dad after all that nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/bLTeMoEgGk">pic.twitter.com/bLTeMoEgGk</a></p>&mdash; ��DYNAMITE DA-GE-GE �� Shazz (@Shazzledazzlee) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shazzledazzlee/status/1299446523135229954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gerard 08-30-2020 06:45 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bIWvrBFmzlg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Y'Know.

Lock Jaw 08-30-2020 07:24 PM

12 miutes? Forget it. Just sum it up for me.

xrodmuc316 08-30-2020 08:15 PM

Guys, Dave Meltzer said WWE is going to reair NXT on Syfy, not because they are going to get paid for it, and not because some of the fans might not be able to watch it a day earlier in the week.

Nope, they are going to air a rerun of the previous day episode because they are super scared AEW will get better ratings unopposed. Just like they got a better rating unopposed last Thursday. Oh wait, they didn't though, but plans change, that will be $11.99.

He's such a good journalist!

Emperor Smeat 08-30-2020 08:52 PM

Considering NXT has been counter-programming AEW a lot since both started their war, reairing the shows on Wednesdays makes sense on their end.

WWE gets Tuesday unopposed while trying to dent AEW's numbers on Wednesday.

Bad News Gertner 08-30-2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5369951)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fucking HELL �� 1982 ran out of cocaine in one promo. Jack Brisco looked like a disappointed dad after all that nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/bLTeMoEgGk">pic.twitter.com/bLTeMoEgGk</a></p>&mdash; ��DYNAMITE DA-GE-GE �� Shazz (@Shazzledazzlee) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shazzledazzlee/status/1299446523135229954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Lol fantastic. Here's the whole thing.


Droford 08-31-2020 05:57 AM

Watching payback from 2017. Sheamus is in the tag title match with Cesaro vs Hardys. Cole runs off Sheamus' accomplishments in WWE and called him underappreciated. Fast forward 3.5 years and he did it again to Sheamus. Thought it was funny since he's done even less (some tag title runs with Cesaro) since he said it the first time

Also a few other odd notes

Payback in 17 was Raw brand with a US Title match from SD (last night was basically RAW with a universal title match from SD)

3.5 years is long enough for me to completely forget Austin Aries was in WWE.

Evil Vito 08-31-2020 08:15 AM

lollllll Dasher Hatfield formerly of CHIKARA has changed his ring name to A Very Good Professional Wrestler

xrodmuc316 08-31-2020 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5370062)
Considering NXT has been counter-programming AEW a lot since both started their war, reairing the shows on Wednesdays makes sense on their end.

WWE gets Tuesday unopposed while trying to dent AEW's numbers on Wednesday.

You mean how WWE decided to keep airing NXT on the same day they have for years, just to hurt the company that trademarked "Tuesday Night Dynamite"?

Yep, WWEvil.

Guess AEW and TNT didn't think it was a good idea to run on Tuesdays after Smackdown moved to Friday's because of _____.

screech 08-31-2020 10:59 AM

Jesus Christ, dude
 
WWE started putting NXT on USA only a few weeks before AEW was scheduled to begin airing on TNT.

(Also re-airing shows is not a new thing in TV in general. You pick the weirdest shit to use as a "gotcha.")

slik 08-31-2020 01:32 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE have signed EVOLVE stars Josh Briggs, Anthony Greene, Brandi Lauren and Curt Stallion - according to <a href="https://t.co/ytShgXE0eY">https://t.co/ytShgXE0eY</a>.</p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1300484739456004097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 08-31-2020 01:33 PM

For what it's worth, WWE has removed all of Brock Lesnar's merch from WWEShop...

Damian Rey 2.0 08-31-2020 01:37 PM

Lesnar to aew confirmed

Gerard 08-31-2020 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5369966)
12 miutes? Forget it. Just sum it up for me.



Originally it was going to be a large Rat (seemingly couldn't find a cage big enough for Heyman to fit into), then they didn't know what it was going to be, he pitched multiple ideas including having a tiny woman be in the cage for a single appearance and that she was in the cage for protection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyoti_Amge). In the end they just went with a mechanical Spider which he reckons it was meant to be from the start.

Droford 08-31-2020 04:13 PM

Viking Raiders are going back to nxt

slik 08-31-2020 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5370203)
For what it's worth, WWE has removed all of Brock Lesnar's merch from WWEShop...

PWInsider and ProWrestlingSheet both reporting that Lesnar is now a free agent and left WWE after WrestleMania 36.

Gerard 08-31-2020 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5370238)
PWInsider and ProWrestlingSheet both reporting that Lesnar is now a free agent and left WWE after WrestleMania 36.

Not a bad thing if true, the phoned in matches with 2x repeated moves got old fast.

Emperor Smeat 08-31-2020 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5370184)
You mean how WWE decided to keep airing NXT on the same day they have for years, just to hurt the company that trademarked "Tuesday Night Dynamite"?

Yep, WWEvil.

Guess AEW and TNT didn't think it was a good idea to run on Tuesdays after Smackdown moved to Friday's because of _____.

They trademarked Tuesday first because they didn't have a TV deal at the time and figured that would probably be the date of their weekly show.

Once talks with TNT started to point to an actual TV deal being made, they trademarked Wednesday afterwards since TNT has NBA games on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

NXT probably would have went on Tuesdays had AEW got a weekly Tuesday deal since there were some speculation of the possibility NXT moving to that night when WWE was shopping the brand to interested networks.

xrodmuc316 08-31-2020 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 5370185)
WWE started putting NXT on USA only a few weeks before AEW was scheduled to begin airing on TNT.

(Also re-airing shows is not a new thing in TV in general. You pick the weirdest shit to use as a "gotcha.")

That doesn't change the fact that NXT was always on Wednesday nights.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5370241)
They trademarked Tuesday first because they didn't have a TV deal at the time and figured that would probably be the date of their weekly show.

Once talks with TNT started to point to an actual TV deal being made, they trademarked Wednesday afterwards since TNT has NBA games on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

NXT probably would have went on Tuesdays had AEW got a weekly Tuesday deal since there were some speculation of the possibility NXT moving to that night when WWE was shopping the brand to interested networks.

That still doesn't negate the fact that AEW's original strategy was to air on Tuesday nights. They play the victim card that big bad WWE is trying to hold them down by airing NXT on Wednesdays. HAD Dynamite been on Tuesdays, and HAD NXT suddenly moved to Tuesday nights, it would be one thing.

That's not what happened. AEW got the day and timeslot they got based on what TNT offered them. It just happened to be the same day NXT has aired their show on WWE Network. USA Network having lost Smackdown came in with an offer to get NXT for 2 hours for about 20 times less than Fox paid for Smackdown.

Yes, the NXT deal happened a few weeks before AEW was set to debut, because guess what, that is the week USA lost Smackdown. AEW's original debut date was planned to be on October 1st, 2019, the exact week WWE would be moving Smackdown to Friday nights.

Their plan was to absorb the fans that watched wrestling on Tuesday nights as soon as there was no more Tuesday Night wrestling. Because they couldn't get Tuesdays from TNT has nothing to do with WWE, that entire narrative that AEW is getting picked on by WWE because they are scared of AEW is bullshit.

Vince will take money for his content. It's why Fox Sports has classic WWE, it's why NBC's streaming service Peacock has WWE content, it's why Hulu gets next day episodes of Raw and Smackdown, and it's why Vince will take money from SyFy to reair the previous day episode of NXT.

Hell maybe I am wrong, maybe Vince is so afraid of AEW that he somehow convinces network presidents to not only put his show on the air, but to also pay him for the favor.

screech 08-31-2020 07:02 PM

Right, on their own Network. They didn't go on USA until they had to compete with AEW.

The NBA is a big draw for TNT, so it wouldn't matter what show was coming there. It was going to take a backseat of sorts. When the TV talks ramped up, AEW realized this and moved to Wednesday because it made more sense.

There are things to crap on AEW for, but this weird schedule thing you're fixated on isn't one of them.

xrodmuc316 08-31-2020 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 5370249)
Right, on their own Network. They didn't go on USA until they had to compete with AEW.

The NBA is a big draw for TNT, so it wouldn't matter what show was coming there. It was going to take a backseat of sorts. When the TV talks ramped up, AEW realized this and moved to Wednesday because it made more sense.

There are things to crap on AEW for, but this weird schedule thing you're fixated on isn't one of them.

I'm not crapping on AEW for that, it's the narrative I have the issue with. USA knew they were looking Smackdown going all the way back to June 2018, which by the way, was months before All In, so months and months before AEW was even a thing. Is it a coincidence then that USA added NXT at the same time they were looking Smackdown, or was it something they were going to do all along.

WWE doesn't just get to tell USA that USA has to give them 2 hours on Wednesday nights and pay WWE a million dollars a week to do that.

If it was that easy why wouldn't Vince tell other networks they have to give him a show and pay him money for it?

NXT is on USA because USA wanted to replace the 2 hours of wrestling they were losing with a different 2 hours of wrestling. Meltzer and AEW talk about it constantly, Vince is afraid AEW, Vince put show on to hurt AEW, Vince bad, AEW good.

AEW didn't HAVE to go with TNT. They had so many offers, at least according to Meltzer, that if they wanted to run unopposed on Tuesday nights, then they could have. They took the TNT deal on Wednesdays because it was the best deal. That doesn't make them victims of WWE, no matter how much they want to sell that narrative to be the cool underdogs that are taking it to Vince McMahon. The same Vince McMahon that held them all back, and now they are gonna show him!

The entirety of AEW is a gimmick. It's a whole company portraying a kayfabe gimmick. It is carny at carny's finest, but at what point do they stand on their own? Every interview is about how WWE is bad, how everything they do is with the sole purpose of hurting AEW. Even the journalist in their payroll can't keep from falling all over themselves to push the narrative.

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.

Emperor Smeat 08-31-2020 07:47 PM

USA Network wasn't even the first choice for NXT since WWE wanted FOX to bite on a third hour of programming and dangled both NXT and 205 Live in front of them.

Instead they only got NXT because FOX kept refusing but FOX was still interested in a third hour and as a studio show which is how WWE Backstage was born.

The fact it took WWE soo long to make an official announcement should have been a big clue they were scrambling back to USA Network and the deal was being made in reaction to AEW's official announcement. AEW made their official announcement in May while WWE didn't make their NXT announcement until August.

The October start date for AEW had a lot more to do with that being the start of the early Fall Sweep season and less about anything WWE-related. Both FOX and TNT wanted to have a few weeks of SD and Dynamite in the books in order to strengthen the appeal of their networks for new advertisers and/or get better deals with existing ones.

Considering SyFy hasn't aired any episode of NXT since back in the very early days, that should have been a clue WWE doesn't want to give AEW any unopposed days even if it means reairing taped NXT content.

WWE being able to sell more of their taped programming to networks is mainly due to how cheap that stuff is compared to regular tv programming. Its also part of the reason why they have been struggling to find a buyer for their live PPV stuff since nobody wants to pay the company their high asking price compared to other live sports content like UFC that generate much better buy numbers.

xrodmuc316 08-31-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5370255)
USA Network wasn't even the first choice for NXT since WWE wanted FOX to bite on a third hour of programming and dangled both NXT and 205 Live in front of them.

Instead they only got NXT because FOX kept refusing but FOX was still interested in a third hour and as a studio show which is how WWE Backstage was born.

The fact it took WWE soo long to make an official announcement should have been a big clue they were scrambling back to USA Network and the deal was being made in reaction to AEW's official announcement. AEW made their official announcement in May while WWE didn't make their NXT announcement until August.

The October start date for AEW had a lot more to do with that being the start of the early Fall Sweep season and less about anything WWE-related. Both FOX and TNT wanted to have a few weeks of SD and Dynamite in the books in order to strengthen the appeal of their networks for new advertisers and/or get better deals with existing ones.

Considering SyFy hasn't aired any episode of NXT since back in the very early days, that should have been a clue WWE doesn't want to give AEW any unopposed days even if it means reairing taped NXT content.

WWE being able to sell more of their taped programming to networks is mainly due to how cheap that stuff is compared to regular tv programming. Its also part of the reason why they have been struggling to find a buyer for their live PPV stuff since nobody wants to pay the company their high asking price compared to other live sports content like UFC that generate much better buy numbers.

Vince McMahon can't just tell a network to air his show, that is not how it works. NBC Universal probably didn't want to pay whatever the pre-emptive fee would be, something Vince has negotiated in TV contracts since going to Spike TV, so they offered Vince the Syfy timeslot at a rerun rate, and Vince accepted it.

That is certainly a far different scenario than Vince calling SyFy and demanding they air his show so AEW doesn't get ratings.

Emperor Smeat 08-31-2020 08:33 PM

NBC cheapening out on paying a preemption fee doesn't make sense from their end. Maybe if they was a lower tier or less wealthy network, I could see that being the case although they wouldn't have put themselves in that situation to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE just simply used their very tight connections with USA Network to help give them a favor from NBC for these next couple of weeks.

xrodmuc316 08-31-2020 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5370266)
NBC cheapening out on paying a preemption fee doesn't make sense from their end. Maybe if they was a lower tier or less wealthy network, I could see that being the case although they wouldn't have put themselves in that situation to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE just simply used their very tight connections with USA Network to help give them a favor from NBC for these next couple of weeks.

Why not, even if NXT on Syfy gets 200,000 viewers, im guessing that would be an improvement for what they normally get. They save money and get a better than normal rating, seems like a win win for Syfy/NBC.

Emperor Smeat 08-31-2020 09:00 PM

They would need to double that amount or basically get around half of what they normally do on USA Network to match what SyFy gets for prime time on average.

https://ctv.kwayisi.org/networks/syfy/

Now if they manage to actually steal 200k from AEW this week, then yeah that's a major win on their end. All depends on how much of the crossover audience decides to watch the show and missed Tuesday's show.

screech 08-31-2020 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 537025)
Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

Plenty of people say good and bad things about both companies. You continue to fall into "narratives" and complain when we point out how ridiculous you sound.

Bad News Gertner 09-01-2020 12:10 AM

I have to pick up some tables for mom girlfriend's mother. My gf asked when I was going to get the tables. I replied "Get the tables!"

So just looked at me and said "is that some stupid wrestling thing"

Motherfucker

Fignuts 09-01-2020 12:15 AM

Sounds like it's time to cut her loose.

screech 09-01-2020 12:23 AM

Damn, that's unfortunate

Lock Jaw 09-01-2020 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5370355)
Sounds like it's time to Bubba-Bomb her from the top rope through a table.


slik 09-01-2020 01:36 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My dad (New Jack from ECW) cut me out of his life 3 years ago because he didn’t want his fans to know I’m a drag queen, and he didn’t want Wikipedia posting anything about me. <br><br>Clearly he doesn’t know how Wikipedia works. Anywho, I’m now an official editor for Wikipedia. �� <a href="https://t.co/iAaMk2svVN">pic.twitter.com/iAaMk2svVN</a></p>&mdash; Washington Heights (@washyheights) <a href="https://twitter.com/washyheights/status/1300556387618033670?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fignuts 09-01-2020 01:59 AM

lol new jack

Black Widow 09-01-2020 05:55 AM

Don't know who Stone is but i like this idea to piss off fans.

https://i.ibb.co/zVnT980/Screenshot-...g-Internet.jpg

drave 09-01-2020 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron Von Gertner (Post 5370354)
I have to pick up some tables for mom girlfriend's mother. My gf asked when I was going to get the tables. I replied "Get the tables!"

So just looked at me and said "is that some stupid wrestling thing"

Motherfucker




Time to take the Mae Young table ride.

slik 09-01-2020 10:47 AM

Retribution only hates 1 day a week


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Retribution To Be Exclusive To WWE Raw <a href="https://t.co/5QjwbrFxkH">https://t.co/5QjwbrFxkH</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1300798828895850499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 09-01-2020 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 5370285)
Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

Plenty of people say good and bad things about both companies. You continue to fall into "narratives" and complain when we point out how ridiculous you sound.

Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.

Big Vic 09-01-2020 01:17 PM

I'm actually a member of AEW'S roster, I'm Hangman Page.

Bad News Gertner 09-01-2020 01:55 PM

Luchasaurus here. Rawr!

screech 09-01-2020 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5370466)
Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.

lol fuck off with that. You made a heavy generalization about AEW vs. WWE (as you've been doing for pages), now you're bitching out because I called you on it.


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