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I know you disagree, but there was a time when he was pretty sweet. Then they chose not to roll with that momentum, kill it completely, and THEN give him the Universal Title by "default".
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I do disagree, but I don’t disagree this isn’t the best timing.
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Yeah he just needs to go back to yelling get these hands repeatedly and flipping over whatever large object is nearest to him.
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He should turn heel and be a dickhead who claims to be a self-made millionaire. He should call everyone lazy for not being as big as he is.
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Also clearly Ryan Cabrera has a type
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It’s one of the biggest problems with modern day WWE. They never try anything. I much preferred the days where they tried things that went nowhere, to not even trying. Should have had Big E jealous of Kofi and Woods stuck in the middle for some entertaining Tv. Instead, cereal, pancakes, another Big E suicide dive and boredom. |
Looking at those Rosebuds, I recognize more and more people. Maybe everyone looks the same, but I’m pretty sure I see Carmella, Becky Lynch and Elias. And is that Tucker Knight in the back? And I think that’s Audrey Marie and I’m sure the blonde is someone too.
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I wasted 2hrs on sd cause i figured they wouldn't give Undertaker such a weak tribute but i was wrong.
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Like it wasn't even out of pettiness of Braun getting over on his own and instead was a rare time where WWE booking managed to actually create a legit big star. |
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Brutus Magnus Faarooq Asaad Ric “Spartacus” Flair Mike “The Gladiator” Awesome |
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Not at much as 3 Man Band having more World Champions than the New Day, though. |
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At least Bret's WCW career would likely have been a lot better than WCW dropping the ball big time with him post-Screwjob. |
NWO wouldn’t have been nearly as big without Hogan.
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I think Hogan's performances in the nWo, even his promos, are DRASTICALLY overrated. With that said, he nailed the heel turn itself. And his legacy made the turn that much more effective. Bret Hart simply did not have that track record as all-conquering good guy of the yesteryear to make it work. Though, it probably still would have been great, just on a smaller scale.
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Yeah nobody really had the same mainstream good guy aura Hogan had which instantly turned that heel turn into an all-time classic moment. Closest WCW had was Sting but still wouldn't have been as monumental as Hogan's turn.
Even Hogan's history with Mean Gene, who was the first person to talk to him, greatly added to that moment's legacy. |
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I mean, sure, on paper, in an angle where you have two guys who are presumably from WWF on a mission to take over WCW, it seems like adding yet another guy being fresh of a Stamford run to keep that aura going would be the way to go. However, the flip side is, how the fuck were they actually going to personally co-exist? Bret flanked by two members of the Kliq without any of what would have been boiling friction between he and Shawn in the way of however his relationship with these two guys may have shaken out? We might have had a totally different version of said Kliq. Then, interject the question of how they would professionally co-exist. Part of the perfect storm what helped Hogan work in the role is him being the "the man" in the same way that Flair was always the primary focus of the Four Horsemen. Would Nash and Hall have afforded the same courtesy to Bret, or would he have been on more "equal footing" with those two? Seems like it would have changed the dynamics of what the nWo even was to begin with. Not passing judgment on if it would have been better or worse. I for one certainly think it an interesting scenario. The whole angle would have evolved quite a bit differently, though. |
There would have been less rambling 45 minute promos with 86 nwo members in the ring. Since Bret wasn’t that great of a talker. Take that how you will.
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I've never understood the criticism of the NWO having too many members. Logically it makes sense.
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WWF really damaged Bret by turning him heel the way that they did. Sure in 97 the Hart Foundation vs Austin and McMahon was really great, but it left Bret's babyface run in the dust, for good. Once Bret lifted the vail to show his heelish personality, it's too hard to buy him as "the best guy there is". His heel personality is a version of himself that we all know well, the bitter and egotistical wrestler who thinks it's more real than it is. Bret in WCW was doomed if he was going to be used as a heel. Bret really was doomed when he started shitting on the American wrestling fans. He couldn't come back from it.
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Virgil and Bryan Adams in the nWo isn't exactly compelling TV. |
If the whole storyline is NWO taking over WCW, and with WCW having like 200 wrestlers, I can get why NWO would have a large number.
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Didn't help things got worse once Hogan and co. started to really hog up the spotlight and quality tv time since that just led to more and more wrestlers asking to be included simply for that guaranteed tv time and focus in the company. The group either shouldn't have gotten Bischoff as early as it did or cut out all the excess after him with a few exceptions like Scott Steiner. Once he joined, they pretty much achieved their storyline goal of taking over WCW. |
Yeah, the Bischoff thing is true. Once the president is part of the NWO, everything else is moot.
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I liked the large NWO roster because it you actually got to see the NWO take a pinfall loss. The only guys on the NWO I disliked were Konnan and Brian Adams. Especially Adams.
I always looked it as guys choosing sides, so the random additions didn't bother me I also think the NWO should have ended at Starrcade 97 |
Yeah the Dusty thing was weird. It also happened in 98. The 98 editions made no sense because the storyline should have been over
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Seems there's some conflicting reports about WWE being interested in signing Tessa Blanchard.
Observer reported WWE recently sent contract feelers to her while Squared Circle Sirens' Casey Michael doesn't believe the report based on the past times Meltzer claimed WWE was interested in her but never bothered to sign her in the end each time. Blanchard is one of Meltzer's known sources in the indies and supposedly does have a habit of feeding him stuff to prop up her own value whenever she's been a free agent. |
RE: nWo Bret discussion.
If Bret had been the third man Hogan would have still come in and lead the group eventually. It's Hulk Hogan FFS, he wouldn't sit and watch a huge money maker without wanting a piece. If they did it that way round I wonder what would have happened to WWE? No evil McMahon anyway. |
If Bret had joined in 1997 after the Sting win, he could have taken the group from Hogan, who would have booked himself as the conquering babyface.
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Kronik were over though. I saw a Kronik sign in an old WWE match the other day. I had to pause it to make sure it wasn't a drug reference.
I feel like they made it to WWE after the acquisition and Vince realised who they actually were so he just released them with Buff Bagwell and whoever else. |
If you're a wrestler over six five called Bryan/Brian you are guaranteed to suck ass.
Brian Lee Bryan Clark Bryan Adams If you are under that height you are probably pretty good. |
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They were over to the 2000 people at WCW shows. I wouldn't call that "over" |
I prefer my version
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Wow, sending Mick back out there after what happened earlier in the night
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I watched all the 1997 WCW Pro comps on youtube these past two weeks lol. Here's one of them below
My biggest takeaway from these shows is: Public Enemy were fucking awful. |
It speaks to the Paul E. Pixie Dust.
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I miss Brian[t] Gonzales |
I just told Meltzer that the ratings dropped on AEW because all those future guys who talks non stop about aren’t going to draw.
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Watching Mark Henry's sex therapy vignettes.
He says his first sexual encounter was when he was 8 with his sister. Attitude! |
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In an interview for the DVD Mark Henry also un-ironically says gay people thanked him for his displays of tolerance during the "Mark vomits after kissing a tranny" angle.
Self awareness, have you met Mark Henry? |
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The therapists reaction is to scream "you're not still having sex with your sister are you Mark?!!" over and over again. I had to skip through it, one of his next sessions sees a fat therapist try to grope him. Outstanding! |
WWE is currently expected to make a major announcement regarding the future of the NXT UK brand tomorrow.
Its currently not known what this announcement will be but all talent involved were told attendance for tomorrow's conference call is mandatory. Quote:
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From main-eventing to Main-Event
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An incredible year for <a href="https://twitter.com/KingRicochet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KingRicochet</a> takes center stage THIS SUNDAY on an all-new <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE365?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE365</a>! <a href="https://t.co/iKAUMG11ct">pic.twitter.com/iKAUMG11ct</a></p>— WWE Network (@WWENetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork/status/1277723523289669633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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why is this wikipedia photo of Michael Cole so sinister
https://i.postimg.cc/050DYkbT/Screen...7-45-00-PM.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Broadcast_team |
I think because that's the exact sort of visual set up a politician will use when confessing to something everybody already knew by then, and it's always mucky.
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WWE's major announcement regarding NXT UK mainly ended up just being them simply talking to talent to see how they were doing and hinting tapings would be resuming within the near future.
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WWE viewership today vs TWO years ago. TWO.
18 - 49 down almost 50% 18 - 34 down more than 50% 12 - 34 down more than 50% 25 - 54 down almost 50% 50 + down about 25% 2018: https://i.postimg.cc/sDxsRBT9/Screen...6-20-10-PM.png 2020: https://i.postimg.cc/3NdYtg2f/1-point-735.png |
Necro Butcher diagnosed with Stage 3 Hodgkins.
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Necro Butcher is a CZW legend I believe. A master of the death match. He was also featured in Darren Aranofsky's "The Wrestler."
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Necro Butcher was the fucking man. Had awesome matches with Low Ki and Samoa Joe in IWA MS. Had runs in ROH and CZW. Like Dale said, mostly known for Death Matches but was an excellent brawler. Super smart, well spoken guy
I saw pics from his retirement match in January. He didn't look well. Has a wife and young kids. I think like 5-6 kids. Very sad. |
And Killer Tim Brooks just passed away. I remember Brooks going into Hospice a little while ago. A legend in Texas. 72 years old.
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After ECW shut down, Necro Butcher and Nick Mondo were the first notable hardcore/deathmatch wrestlers I knew of from the indies.
Not sure if it was TPWW or some other forum for where I first learned about them at the time. |
Yeah I'm pretty sure I learned about Necro on these forums way back in the day.
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Necro Butcher is a complete fanny.
I remember watching him tear a huge chunk out of his arm in some lightbulb match with Pondo or some other gimp and it was just a lot of shite. |
Naw, Necro was the fucking man
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It is a shame he has cancer anyway
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Terry Funk knew how to suffer for his "art." |
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Loved watching him man. Right around 20 mins on that one, its just a brawl. I came across Necro Butcher on a suggested video from youtube forever ago. That, then led me to a match with Jon Moxley vs Brain Damage where Brain Damage uses a fucking powersaw on Moxley's forehead CZW Tournament of Death 8. |
I watched a bunch of deathwatch, CZW stuff last year just to be able to hate on it properly.
I think that Vice show episode where they visit CZW and you see a fat bald man get something hammered into his skull which then has to be removed with pliers is one of the most damning pieces of film ever made about "wrestling". A bunch of fucking idiots. |
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Hard Times, Henry's Retirement, and Austin 3:16 would be my picks. |
Austin, Punk and THE CREAM OF THE CROP
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Dusty, Savage and Austin. That was the "hardest" of all those "pick a few the rest die" gimmicks on twitter.
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Gotta keep Hard Times for its "iconic status"
Cream of the Crop... as good as it is, take it away and you still have dozens of great Randy Savage moments and promos, another one would have just risen to the top of "memeablity" No idea what The Rock promo is, so that's out. Don't care about ECW so that's out (although I would have kept it in if it was his joining the Alliance promo). Miz is out because... feel like I don't need to justify. Was good, but... whatever. Austin 3:16 I'll get rid of because I never cared for Austin, but it seems to me like he would have been just as good without having that catchphrase. So I'm left with AJ Lee, Mark Henry, and CM Punk and need to cut one of them. AJ Lee's was good, and did feel like it started slowly the "turn" in the women's division towards "revolution".... but I remember it being utterly ruined by the Bellas yelling "Say it to our face!" over and over again at the top of their lungs. So that's out. Which leaves CM Punk and Mark Henry to join Hard Times as the 3 I keep. Henry wasn't just a promo, it was a "memorable moment" so I feel it is kind of cheating. Like I don't really remember the promo or what he was saying, but more "the moment". CM Punk was a great moment and led to one of the most memorable runs of the "modern era". Unlike with Austin, without the "breakout moment" of this promo I don't think he would have got to the heights that he did. |
Seems WWE had plans at one point to move Kairi Sane away from an active in-ring career.
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Hard Times, Austin 3:16 and Cream of the Crop. Nothing else is anywhere close. Well, The Rock is The Rock, and that promo was funny. Everything else is tiers down though.
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It’s gotta be Hard Times, Austin 3:16 and the pipebomb. Those are the three that left the biggest mark. The others are just... great promos.
And if it’s just great promos we’re judging, where the fuck is Flair?? |
That the list includes anything after I stopped watching is utterly ludicrous.
The golden years. |
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Lol, I remember when people tried comparing The Miz's Talking Smack promo to Hard Times. And Alexa Bliss was also a great wrestler and The Usos were amazing promos. Fantastic times.
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Finished the Death of the Territories book by Tim Hornbaker.
What a tremendous book. You really see how Vince was so savage and ruthless during the expansion |
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