Wonder what huge announcement/HAWT free agent he'll have on for us next week to try and win the ratings war?

Bo Dallas. We’ve got a few months until Nick Nemeth can come out and swivel his hips around, finally free and finally able to be good now.

I said Bo Dallas, but I probably should have gone with a different Social Outcast. Heath Slater’s Impact Wrestling/TNA/GFW deal has expired and he’s now a free agent. But, I’m not going to lie…this one could actually be a game-changer.

Ronda Rousey is probably still technically under contract or has some sort of no-compete, but she’s a “big star” Tony would probably try to lure if he could.

So Collision, with a main event they could have sold at least 150,000 PPVs for, that they gave away for free didn't even get 500,000 viewers. And Tiny wants us to believe he is a good businessman :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I mean, it’s not a surprise. They’ve fucked around fans so much. Kenny Omega is the most overrated wrestler ever (usurping Triple H). The build was terrible for a match you knew was coming for, I dunno…ABOUT A FUCKING YEAR! Not sure if doing longest reigning champion stories is a good idea when you’ve got Roman Reigns and Gunther on the other side. Plus, not caring about this match was probably a big indicator to wrestling fans that they don’t care about AEW.

We’re due for another meltdown. Come on, Tony — coke on.

832,000 for the massively hyped Dynamite featuring Tiny Khan telling us we can signup to buy tickets for a show 8 months from now. Time to sign a new toy wi...OH RIC FLAIR SIGNED A MULTI YEAR DEAL WITH AEW WOOOOOOOOOOOO GAME CHANGER!!!!!

AEWOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Fucking lol

AEWTF...

804k for Dynamite. More like Trynarite. Like trynarite the ship.

It’s not even news that AEW does under 850k now.

I think the better prediction is when will AEW crack one million again.

Serious prediction: Jan 3 2024 for the aftermath of Worlds End + the “payoff” to the MJF contract storyline.

Where does MJF fit in within the WWE? I imagine hes got to come in as a heel.

Antihero if where MJF needs to be. The asshole everyone loves.

Thats a baby face

It’d be cool if he was in the Royal Rumble. Could be a great debut if he is the last guy eliminated by Cody. OR, just go totally nuts and have him win. MJF gets to tease Cody about interrupting his story. Roman vs. MJF has got…potential. It’d be the fastest rise for anyone, that’s for sure.

That’s unnecessary though. But I see MJF as a value add to Raw, giving more people that reason to watch.

Is that what he is now? From the limited clips I've seen it seems quite cringey.

I guess if they're going with Roman vs Rock then that lines up.

Yes. That show needs help. Anyone but Seth.

I think they’re about to get Orton and Punk in to help them out.

Will they acknowledge him as the lineal AEW Champion? Maybe that's how we get the belt off Seth.

I think Orton comes back to join Cody’s team in War Games. Not holding out much hope for a Punk return.

Nah, I think they totally no-sell AEW.

Eh, likely. For the best, winning the secondary world title would be a step down.

You might get a reference to it being a useless piece of tin and him wanting to win his first real championship in over a decade or something.

Dynamite continues to go down in the ratings while the lead-in remains virtually the same.

Thread looks open to me

Sorry, should have said archived, like AEW's audience, participation in this thread setting record lows!

Do you think people here still love CM Punk now that he went back to the E? He is drawing better ratings nowadays :rofl:

CM Punk is doing the best babyface work of his career.

NXT got 957k viewers without LA as a market, since they were covering the wildfires there. Tony Khan and Dave Meltzer grieving right now.

I missed this thread

My love for you is like a truck Dave Meltzer
Would you like some making fuck Dave Meltzer

WWE and Fightful are claiming 2.6 million views for Raw on Netflix and 4.9 Worldwide

SHAMBLES!!!!1!

That’s an outstanding number. I guessed something like 3.2 million worldwide. 4.9 million is something like 1.7% of Netflix subscriptions. And apparently that doesn’t count total viewers, so it could be closer to 6 million people watching.

Eerily quiet on Dynamite MAX numbers.

AEW is back! 679k viewers.

Is 4.9m impressive? Across the world?

It is better than the 60,000 reported on Max for Dynamite :rofl:

There’s no way it’s that high.

It doesn’t sound like a lot, but I think it’s a solid number. I was predicting about 3.2 million for them. About 60% of the audience in the US. Most people would have already been watching. About 2 million in the US for Raw.

4.9 million is about 1.6% of Netflix subscribers worldwide.

Being generous to AEW, divide that by 3 to get a proportionate AEW number. I doubt they’re getting 1.6 million on Max lol. And that’s ignoring 10 million people.

4.9 mil is very low by netflix standards. Theyve canceled shows for 5 mil. I wouldnt panic though. Several markets cant watch raw on netflix yet so its not the full picture. As the contracts come up the number will grow.

This shouldn't need to be said but Raw in no way is competing with AEW for anything other than fake internet points and any comparison between the two is as moot as comparing RAW to AWA reruns on espn 2.

For comparison squid games season 2 topped the most recent netflix chart at over 26 million views. 4.9 million would be out be outside of the top 10 by 2.6 million.

And it is fairly surprising how low that initial number is. Cable should have been a significant limiter on views the same way nfl numbers on netflix have been able to be so massive. 25 mil or whatever that number was.


I didnt expect 20 million but 8 definitely. I thought low end top 10. And im certain netflix did too. Im sure theyre feeling the pressure to move eyeballs. Likely theyre going to do some hotshotting to drive up new viewers. Luckly hot shots leading into mania is traditional so no one will notice.

Global | this week
Top 10 Shows overview
Ranking Views
01
American Primeval: Limited Series
2 14,300,000
02
XO, Kitty: Season 2
1 14,200,000
03
Missing You: Limited Series
3 5,600,000
04
Raw: 2025 January 13, 2025
1 3,700,000
05
Jerry Springer: Fights, Camera, Action: Limited Series
2 3,500,000
06
XO, Kitty: Season 1
5 3,100,000
07
The Night Agent: Season 1
13 2,400,000
08
The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live: Season 1
1 2,300,000
09
I AM A KILLER: Season 6
1 2,300,000
10
Castlevania: Nocturne: Season 2
1 2,300,000

That is from Netflix, so if 3.7 million for the 2nd week was 4th, now sure where you are getting 4.9 million would be 2.6 million away from even cracking the top 10.

Took me a minute but I see how you got that list. Youre sorting by series on Todum yeah? That excludes events and films. Im also going off of RAWs debut where they got the 4.9

(Theyre down from the debut btw. Didnt realize that. I only track the number every week or two. I was waiting for the finals to come out on tuesday to follow up.)

I can’t imagine anything on Netflix getting that many viewers. The US still has more cable subscribers than Netflix ones, yeah?

If hot-shotting at this time of year is traditional and no one will notice, what’s the point of doing it for Netflix? They’d be doing it anyway. :p

That list says 3.7 Million, from Netflix.com, week 2. That is shows only though, that is correct. They don't have a shows and movies list, but there were 4 movies that did more views, so Raw would be 8th overall if they had that list option.

It would be compared to shows anyway. If they get the PLE deal after Peacock, I can see WrestleMania and the like being compared to movies.

I’m not taking about the number as a comparison to AEW.

Most likely me not having a firm enough grasp on the viewership but I thought the point of being on Netflix was the huge potential audience. Less than 5m and less than 2% of potential audience seems really disappointing.

Lol, only my last paragraph compares it to AEW. When you consider the existent Raw audience in the US, figure in that it’s going to be more popular there than anywhere else (about 60%, as I said), then the numbers they’re getting are great.

I don’t know what percentage of Netflix subscribers watching pro-wrestling people expected. 2% seems like a generous amount to me, realistically speaking.

And this is why I compared them to AEW. What do you think 600k out of 60 million homes is? They weren’t going to get 10 million homes watching Raw live.

well you are always wrong...

NETFLIX IN SHAMBLES!

But, muh demos?

Don't know why you'd do that anyway. Max streaming is supplimental to it's screenings, completely different scenario to WWE's complete worldwide transplant to Netflix.

AEW's Max viewing figures are probably negligable given that it hasn't had much effect on TV ratings. It just stands to make Max a viable service for people who don't have cable in the future.

How can we determine whether this thing is a success until we know how many 49 yr old men are watching?

MUH DEMONS IN SHAMBLES!!!!1!!!1

49 YEAR OLD MEN IN SHAMBLES!!!!!!!


wrasslin in SHAMBLES!!!!

Wrestling is fine, despite AEW’s best efforts.

AEW sucks. There is not a single interesting thing on their shows. I don't watch anymore, but still read the results for Dynamite. I don't even bother to do that with Collision. Nothing happens ever, and gymnastic routines that are called "Bangers" but advance nothing at all.

Knowing how many people want out and are being refused and just kept locked away in Tony's vault is poetically funny. All the original bluster about AEW treating wrestlers good unlike that evil WWE turned out to be complete bullshit, just like so many of their original mission statement goals.

AEW wanted to kill WWE, but really all they did was make WWE the babyface while Tony pretty much pillage NJPW and killed the Indies in the US.

AEW is a lame.

Truth.

R-Truth?

Nah, just plain ol’ regular truth. As opposed to plain ol’ regular R-Truth.

This is the ratings thread

In the age of streaming, is ratings still a thing? XD

Yeah, kind of.

TV deals are still a massive source of revenue, advertisers pay for people to look at adverts. Streaming can make these companies money but it's mostly been companies just burning venture capital. Netflix getting WWE probably won't make money for them, but it is a logistical step into doing live broadcasting.

Nielsen has agreed to cover streaming. The services do release their numbers. AEW’s are just being guarded because they suck so bad.

Dave Meltzer has tried to draw a link between the numbers for Dynamite not being released and UFC PPV that did “tremendous” being kept quiet. “Most likely” he says. Of course, if the numbers were actually good, he would have been leaked them or his AEW sources would have told him definitively they can’t talk about them. But that’s not the case, is it?

“Most likely” he says.

604k viewers for Dynamite. The Netflix bump is wearing off.

Collision did 197k viewers.

Dynamite did 605k viewers. It’s down about 200k from last year.

579k for Dynamite.

I love that you're still here fighting the good fight.

If anyone accidentally stumbles upon these forums, I want them to be able to see the truth.

More people stumble upon this forum than watch AEW :rofl::rofl::rofl:

You need to add the MAX numbers to that, xrod. Oh, it doesn’t make a difference?

This is why it’s important to take down Dave. Here’s him on the Collision ratings:

“Collision did 502K/0.21, don't have the chart. NBA lead-in of course helped a lot really the key given it was out of its regular time slot. That doesn't include MAX, so likely the biggest numbers since the early weeks of the show if you factor that in. First quarter (Omega & Ospreay vs. Takeshita & Fletcher) topped 1 million, but that's not a surprise.”

* He doesn’t have the chart? Where does he get his numbers from? It’s not that it’s charted that’s important, it’s that he clearly just gets his numbers fed to him as opposed to from a primary source.

* The NBA helped a lot gives way to it being out of its usual time slot in Dave’s second “sentence.” Dismissing its artificial boost to frame it as being impeded. Never mind AEW foolishly booked Grand Slam for that weekend in the first place. Poor AEW, being so late at night with the NBA All-Star lead-in giving it the healthiest start for it to ruin.

* He references MAX viewers despite no numbers ever being released. I’m sure both MAX viewers are happy to be included, but Dave is trying to give it a boost by saying “if you factor that in.” What in? What numbers are there to actually factor in? They’re completely phantom.

* He’s still trying to force Ospreay & Omega as draws. The lead-in did huge because of the NBA. He frames it ambiguously like it’s not a surprise their segment did those numbers without clarifying that it’s solely because of the lead-in. His readers WILL latch on to that. Many still try to claim that Omega is a draw.

There’s literally something wrong with every sentence (every run-on sentence) this cunt writes to smokescreen for this company. It’s beyond disingenuous. It’s deliberately misleading and poisons the discussion around the subjects.

Dave has gone into overdrive defending AEW’s falling numbers. :lol:

563k for Dynamite.

"Collision peaked at a Million viewers!"

It started with a million viewers and within 8 minutes of Kenny Omega and Will Ospreay, they lost 350,000 viewers.

The last Quarter hour did 294,000 TOTAL viewers, but the "reporting" says AEW thinks it was a huge success.

Pyramid Scheme.

He’s flipping out at people over Twitter telling them to “look at logic” and in the next breath is saying “We literally don’t know” when it comes to the heft of the MAX numbers. If they were substantial, we’d know about them. If there was interest in AEW, all metrics wouldn’t be rapidly declining. Look at logic, Dave.

The Collision rating apologetics are amazing. The number started off big because of the NBA, then it dropped like a ski slope because the product sucks.

The ratings predictably dropped off huge for Roderick Strong vs. Orange Cassidy and whatever followed with Kenny Omega. The show ended at around 467k. That’s where it’s heading. Remember when the sickos tried to convince people Orange Cassidy and Kenny Omega were stars?

Sorry, who's Dave?

GD, Rog. GD.

Lol the ratings discourse is better than the actual content the company produces.

Meltzer on NXT: NXT was up to 799K/0.19 last night.

Meltzer on AEW: AEW did 598K/0.18, that’s with West Coast at 5p.m., obviously not including MAX. Beat everything on cable but NBA and Fox News.

Someone pointed out that there’s a top ten sports list on MAX and AEW isn’t on it.

Meltzer is so bitter that NXT kills AEW now :rofl:

I can’t wait for the bragging if Dynamite beats EVOLVE.

I wish we had some discourse on here

EVOLVE has 286k on YouTube. If that international audience is 40% or 50% of the Tubi audience, then it wouldn’t be surprising to discover it got between 572k and 715k total on Tubi.

Dave Meltzer is losing his mind over the ratings this week. :lol:

Lol, one of the sickos lied that AEW gets about 500k viewers each week on MAX. I think they meant to say it has had 500k views altogether.

Dave Meltzer is losing his mind over the ratings this week. :lol:

Look folks, the ratings have to go down before they go back up. We are going to see the biggest boom period in wrestling like never before. Only the weak will lose!

What people don’t understand is that while ratings and attendance are going down, PPV, merchandise and MAX numbers are going up. Trust us!