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Gertner thinking he could sneak those best matches by me.
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The world needs to know what a carry job is. Two perfect examples of Bret being carried by better workers.
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Kind of a shit list overall. |
I would remove half of those matches
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I just realized Bret vs Owen is the SummerSlam cage match and NOT the WrestleMania X match. Weird. Makes those options even more questionable.
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If it was my list, the only post-Attitude Era match from that list I'd keep would be Taker vs. HBK. Maybe Sasha vs. Bayley as well since that arguably was the best ever women's match in WWE history and one of the best ever in NXT history. |
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I like the Cena vs Punk Raw match to see who goes on to Wrestlemania better than their MITB match |
HBK and Taker is probably the best match I’ve ever seen. The other ones are all great but that’s the only one I can definitively say is on my list.
Also, there’s a certain triple threat from a certain Wrestlemania that involves a certain murderer that would probably be on this list if not for said certain murder. |
Hogan vs Rock at WM18 is the best match in WWE history
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Yeah, it is regarded as a classic, but it's more polarizing than some of their other matches. Personally, I really liked it.
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Punk/Cena is also probably a top 3 match all time for me, BUT since the idea is to only keep three and erase the rest....they pretty much butchered Punk's storyline with a month of that match so it wouldn't have the historical ramifcations.
Also I was at Takeover NY so Cole/Gargano will always have a soft spot for me because my god was that crowd electric.......but it's not even close to being as historically relevant to most of the matches on that list. As for what I'd keep: Getting rid of Savage/Steamboat would almost feel like getting rid of The Beatles. Every competent worker that came in in the 90s/2000s cited that match as a major influence growing up. Bret/Austin is considered to be a major foundation layer for what was to come in the Attitude Era, was such a good hard hitting match and the image of a bloody Austin is iconic. And then you get HBK/Taker. Protecting three Mania matches feels appropriate, especially a Streak match. Some of the best drama I've seen in a match, by this point I went into every Taker match assuming a win but by the end of it I was biting on every false finish. Shit I almost bit on Taker getting counted out when he fell back on his ass at 9 seconds. Not many matches in the last 15 years captured my attention like that one did. |
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That's the sort of thing you can expect from a man who's entire audience is attracted by outrage.
Pretending to be a moron will make you richer than your wildest dreams. |
This is what I keep saying. People viewing anything other than WWE as minor league
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It doesn’t need to be that way, but these “alternatives” make it so.
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Feels like there is no good way to do it TBH.
Do stuff that isn't like WWE - you aren't good enough Do stuff like WWE - get off their nuts. What would make it NOT that? |
Nothing. That's why I've maintained that AEW hit its ceiling in week 1. It's a niche audience of a niche audience.
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So what makes it that then? Strictly the talent?
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Brand recognition.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheLapsedFan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheLapsedFan</a> I finally found one of the most elusive titles from the Coliseum Video collection! The Best of the WWF’s Stanky ‘Staches! Can’t wait to throw this bad boy into the VCR. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lapsed?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lapsed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lustinyourmoustache?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lustinyourmoustache</a> <a href="https://t.co/HZgYWte9Sm">pic.twitter.com/HZgYWte9Sm</a></p>— Chromaslam (@Chromaslam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chromaslam/status/1271536500434485255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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OMFG Smeat what a find lol
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As far as AEW goes...
It's been a yr. They have a solid base, but Gertner is mostly right. They've peaked for now with their audience. They could potentially grow but it's going to take years and they need something different to gain a bigger audience or take War's loyalists away. I have no idea how they do that. |
Honestly, I thought Covid 19 was going to be a boon to AEW's and NXT's ratings, but it really hasn't done anything
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The lack of crowd did them no favors. The energy just isn't the same and because AEW was limited on talent, the amount of storytelling they could do was limited. I don't recall the tag or women's titles being used at all.
I also think covid took a lot of eyes away and moved them to getting news via tv and social media. |
I figured the lack of sports alone would have drawn more eyes
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AEW and NXT being more action oriented meant they had the most to lose with the loss of crowds. AEW tried to mitigate that with wrestlers as the crowd but that was more of a stop gap than a real solution. Combine that with news saturation on a level not seen in a long while and you end up with the perfect condition for people being pre-occupied or in no mood for wrestling even with the lack of sports. It did seem like things were starting to turn around a bit but then another major wave of news saturation hit with the police brutality protests and riots. |
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Didn't help WWE resisted adapting to the situation until it was way too late which just made everything worse. That's the one downside of WWE having an iron grip over US wrestling and the mainstream equating them with wrestling. |
Lol didn't the Korean Baseball League on ESPN draw something like 175,000 viewers on a 2am spot on a Tuesday last month
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I mean, that's baseball. Teams are getting 100s of millions of dollars annually plus ad revenue on regional sport networks. The average baseball attendance live gate is like 20k I think. You can't compare wrestling to that.
I also think there was a thirst for the sports deprived fan from not having anything to watch. I'm too lazy to see if I heldupbut I wonder if the KBO ratings moved at all one way or the other. |
Probably not at least in regards of viewership gains since ESPN stopped revealing their ratings numbers for KBO games after the first night or so.
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A few thoughts. 1. Chris Champion looks like he'd fit right in with the AEW crowd. 2. I get this feeling that, after this match, Kevin told Rick to do that nasty looking clothesline more often. And the Steiner-line was born. |
Only a WCW/JCP replay would be a worse shot than the original LOL.
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A video where Bret Hart is actually laughing (something i don't think I've ever seen before), instead of being a miserable old prick which seems to constitute 99.9% of vids he's in. |
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Lol Rick was probably concussed from that fucking kick Champion gave him. Not the first time Champion has done that. |
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Hahaha no it was not
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Fucking yes
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Kind of surprised that Haku is not yet in the WWE Hall of Fame.
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For that dance alone.
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He's in the room with me, SEND HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I keep reading Lashley going to win the title because they want to do Lesnar vs Lashley.
Brock gonna end another Black wrestlers first championship reign lol Plus it makes no sense unless Lesnar is suddenly a face, and face Brock is dumb |
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Jimmy Carter wanted Mr. Wrestling 2 to make appearances with him, but the Secret Service wanted him to take his mask off, and he wouldn't. Also, I chased the picture down because of a reference to it in a comment in a Corny video. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">wait a minute �� <a href="https://t.co/4TrVnZI14i">pic.twitter.com/4TrVnZI14i</a></p>— what will mongo do next? (@ThatsOurMongo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatsOurMongo/status/1272221414423224321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Chris Champion is another one of the perverts of wrestling.
Kissing the young girls while dressed as a ninja turtle and all that shit. |
Jamie Dundee maintains that the charges were bullshit because you can't get an erection through the Ninja Turtle costume
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Apparently some new details regarding the plane incident from WWE's Crown Jewel event last year got revealed from a revised lawsuit currently against the company.
Mostly reveals who was the origin of the rumor of this being caused by a money issue and the plane's staff hinting this incident wasn't caused by them. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">CW-2 summary. <a href="https://t.co/y5a4aa9Usv">pic.twitter.com/y5a4aa9Usv</a></p>— Wrestlenomics (@wrestlenomics) <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1272184294761529344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Brian Hildebrand did it all the time |
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Charlotte's been averaging almost 1 title match every month from the women's side while Rollins has been averaging at least one per month on the men's side. |
Not title shots, but title matches... which would include when they were champ defending the belts
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My bad, fixed the mistake. Not sure why I kept thinking it was just title shots and not also them defending their belts. Probably because of how many reigns Charlotte has had where she barely defended them successfully.
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Anyone that can logically relate Randy Marsh to The Undertaker is to be listened to carefully.
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It sucks for Blake and Cutler. I hope they find something else for them to do.
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But then I think the OP has misunderstood the documentary. It’s not about how he feels obliged to come back for the fans (although he might tell himself that). It’s about how he’s stuck in this cycle, that he knows he needs to break but, like many before him, he can’t let go.
He goes from “I can’t do this like I used to/disappointed in the match” to “I must redeem myself” to “that was pretty good/I feel good”, then has another stinker (tag match vs. DX, match vs. Goldberg), and the cycle starts again. Honestly, it’s a pretty sad thing to watch as a fan, but I think McCool comes off pretty well in the doc; she knows she can’t tell him not to, and that he has to reach his own conclusion. She let the guy leave their family weekend at Mania to fly back from New York to Texas to get his gear to do a 5 minute throwaway segment on Raw the night after. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> fans will remember this arena, it hosted many events and PPVs over the years including:<br><br>WrestleMania 2<br>Evolution<br>SummerSlam 2002<a href="https://t.co/0sTsjCmuZl">https://t.co/0sTsjCmuZl</a></p>— Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1272945965536772096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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God I wish they would bring back that belt. It's a clean and classic look that never goes out of style. |
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I wouldn’t want to sit in Nassau Coliseum for a wrestling show either. The upper deck seats were ungodly cramped and uncomfortable. Sitting there for three 20-minute periods was hard enough, never mind a 3 hour show.
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WWE does have some shitty belts these days. I don’t mind the Raw Women’s. But they could all do with a re-design.
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Christian's facial expressions are so good. Pain combined with a "Fuck, I did trust Ric Flair, didn't I?"
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Yep. Definitely in the Funk/Flair territory. Though to be fair, unlike either of those guys, Taker has never actually said he’s retired.
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Also who's forcing this stupid bastard to sit and watch?:rofl: |
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It's a good doc series but I can't 'feel bad' for Taker/Michelle, it's all his own choice. |
Feel the same.
Had the series been just the first episode, it would have been among the best documentaries ever made by WWE. Had the perfect storybook ending for Taker's career and more people would have remembered the defining moment of him leaving with his hat and gear in the ring than the quality of the match itself. The latter episodes, while good, makes it hard to feel sorry for Taker's dilemma since he's had several chances to redeem himself and go out on his own terms but stubbornly keeps learning the wrong lessons. He's like the Brett Farve of wrestling in that regards. |
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<s>Mustafa</s> Ali was been moved to Raw. He was heavily tipped to be the hacker on SmackDown. Guess they scrapped that.
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He still wants to wrestle again at Mania but won't do so next year if no crowds are around. All depends on what happens with Round 2 of the coronavirus. |
So, Corny posted an audio clip of a thing I saw a few years ago, on the Freedom Fighters, Steve and Jim, and Regional Legend Phil Hickerson. Mainly talking up Phil Hickerson, because the guy had some fire to him. He had one of the top 50 lines I have ever heard. And Phil was strong as an Ox.
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Charlotte coming for dat title
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Raw Women's Title will be ON THE LINE during a Championship Monday edition of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a>!<a href="https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEAsuka</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MsCharlotteWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MsCharlotteWWE</a> <a href="https://t.co/07rLPOmI4y">https://t.co/07rLPOmI4y</a></p>— WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1273746728202706946?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
At least I'll know to pay attention to something on the show
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She already has a pin and countout win over Asuka with the only thing missing is a DQ win to complete the trifecta of lame finishes from their matches. |
We should prob merge these related posts with the "British wrestlers #MeToo" thread and change the name or something.
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Yeah I will do that...
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Mike Chioda was on Talk is Jericho this week .
Really interesting interview. Check it out. |
Really interested to hear that. Has he quit smoking? Not judging either way.
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Lol he doesn't sound like it
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If you think about it, none of the "revelations" are surprising. Best one I've seen by far is Beyond the Mat because it wasn't completely sanitized. Though, that's obviously not WWE produced, which is why they hated it, cuz it at least was somewhat honest. |
The guy on the trampoline doing the smallest weights I've ever seen was a reel highlight
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According to the Observer, seems a potential partnership between MLW and NJPW might be in the works. Basis for the rumor involves the tapings NJPW held in secret in California last week and had MLW's Tom Lawlor showing up to wrestle a couple of matches against NJPW talent.
Assuming its true, that could clear the road for a potential NJPW and AEW partnership in the future since NJPW might be lessening their rules against having rival partners. Both MLW and AEW share the same partnership with AAA while NJPW is still partnered with CMLL in Mexico. |
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