If punk is off a few weeks youd have firms data as to what his role is in the draw.

I def think there would be a hit but i dont think it would be cataclysmic. Nothing a marquee match couldn't replicate. Punk isnt without a fandom. That said i dont think its so large it justifies all the damage he does to the image of the brand as a whole or the negative impact he has on the careers of every worker who doesnt capitulate to his totalitarian locker room antics.

^


As previously stated - they were fine before and they'll be fine now.

That’s not necessarily how it works.

Nah, Destor is spot on.

Punk doesn’t damage the image of the brand. He pulled them up. You can’t claim him having no credibility through UFC and then have a roster full of guys who look non-athletic and can’t throw a working punch.

Destor’s likely right in a general sense, but Punk obviously helped to a depth that WBD specifically wanted him around. The way internet fans interpret ratings isn’t anywhere near reflective of the true value some people have. Plus, people have now had a more sensible product with a star dangled in front of them. I was willing to give Collision a chance, for example. Now? Fuck em.

Initially, of course he brought their image up, no one is denying that my dude. His unprofessional attitude and tantrums ruined him. He did it to himself. Even if the Bucks BUSTED into the room, it isn't hard to be a professional. To each their own. CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is, but he's simply too selfish.



Taking it from an extremely casual fan's perspective (meaning no rumors//sheets//etc - strictly on-screen crap):




It took everything away from their event, which is sad. Most people wouldn't even know the story when TK announced the termination. I fail to understand how any employee at any business//org causing this type of stir is a good thing. It isn't.



There's been zero impressive anything from CM Punk "On TV". Couple sloppy matches, injury, complaining, another couple sloppy matches, bye bye.




I don't know (or care) about ratings in the least, and honestly, no one on this board does. Everyone just parrots the alleged "insiders" and/or pick sides.

Perfectly encapsulates it all tbh.

Danielson was once my favorite wrestler. It pains me to say it, but the guy has fallen so hard. I think everyone wishes him the best and “respects” him in a general sense, but I don’t think there is any particular envy to be what he is. Maybe what he once was?

This is just a really bad take overall.

it isn't wrong tho. just looking at things from your "casual fan's" perspective of the on-screen product.


Danielson has a better mind than Punk, an it isn't even close. If he hadn't gone to AEW, youd still be stroking his balls

Nah, he doesn’t. At his peak, I may have preferred Danielson. But his ideas don’t stick and lack structure. And he’s too much Mick Foley and willing to put over Val Venis and Al Snow.

They'll be fine and it kills you.

I mean if you’re going to me criticised for something maybe being too selfless is one of the better things…

Not when you're in AEW pal!


Get with it!

It depends if it actually helps people or it’s too their detriment. We’re not talking about a guy feeding the starving orphans of the world here. It’s more that the guy doesn’t give a fuck about the overall quality of the product and just wants to go out and do whatever. It lacks substance.

887k for Dynamite

RIP

Does AEW pull a profit?

No one is sure for certain, but you’d think if they did, it’d be shouted from the rooftops. All their bragging is about individual gates. Tony isn’t out there talking about how profitable All In was, just that it was an $8 million gate or whatever.

They are not, it is not possible. How much did Tiny JUST spend on Metallica, Queen, and Europe songs? He doesn't just license the song for a one time use, he buys it in perpetuity for any and all replays. We already know Final Countdown is obscenely expensive. Metallica is the same deal. I don't know about Queen but I would imagine they aren't cheap either.

Whatever they took in from the gates of those 2 shows, when they are paying maybe 20% of the gates just to license songs, they are not fiscally sound.

They also sank the equivalent of a lot of countries’ GDPs into that video game.

It’ll be interesting to see the ratings for next week. Becky Lynch is going to NXT to challenge for their Women’s Title and it’s seemingly created quite a stir.

I blame Nia Jax


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WWE spends a year rehabbing Rhea's character under the leadership of Triple H.

Reports coming out that with the merger being completed Vince is more involved.

Vince immediately brings back and books Nia Jax to dominate Rhea and Raquel.

:?::n::fu:

That is an abysmal number.

NXT about to do better numbers than Dynamite AND Raw.

It's time for TKO to wake up. They claim that they would have no problem having Smackdown on any other night even though the title is "Friday Night Smackdown". I think it's time for them to also see that Raw is dying on Monday Nights and get it off that night too.

I would flip NXT and Raw. Raw would benefit from being on a different night, and most people won't care when NXT is on.

NXT just did 850k

Dynamite might be in trouble this week

Damn, that’s basically a draw any way you cut it. It’s unlikely Dynamite does much better or that much worse.

888k for Dynamite. :lol:

855k for Dynamite.

800k

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> garnered its second-lowest audience of the year for Wednesday's show, although the P18-49 rating stayed even from last week.<br><br>Dynamite averaged 800K viewers (-6% from last week) with a 0.28 P18-49 rating (even), per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was the least-watched episode… <a href="https://t.co/i8XB9BByvx">pic.twitter.com/i8XB9BByvx</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@TheRajGiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1710027783450312938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what happens when your new Fedtoy's debut doesn't draw

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Holy shit. I figured they'd get a bump from Edge and they went down. Wow.

Hey Xrod, guess what? 857k for NXT.

Watch next week head to head NXT beats Dynamite with the debut of CM Phil. Tiny will not take that shit anymore, his daddy has way more money than David Crockett's daddy :mad::mad::mad::mad:

It’s almost like the debut wasn’t good.

It should be noted that Collision’s ratings are sinking. 327k this past week. The show dropped about 100k in viewers over the course of the show. Lots of excuses made about WWE competing against them (with NXT) but I’m not sure that explains people choosing to watch Collision then tune out. That seems like a quality of the show issue.

Lol. ratings don't matter as long as they get the demo rating people like us.

You know.. us that apologize to our clothing that we fell asleep and forgot to move them from the washer to the dryer...3 days sooner.

Wow that Collision rating is really poor. Competing with Rampage?

Just saw the ratings for last night. Wrestling is so fucking dead lol. WWE pulled out every stop humanly possible and couldn't get a million. AEW pulled just over half a mil. It's literally just two retards fighting in the playground at this point.

Wrestling on tuesdays usually draws 800k lately, give or take. 1.53 million people watched collectively last night. Against playoff baseball. I don't know how your take away from that is that wrestling is dead.

I really don't think there's much crossover between the fanbase of MLB playoff baseball and wrestling fans. 1.53 million people watching with a bunch of commercial free time, multiple title shots, John Cena, Undertaker, etc is not good. Like at all lol

Love when people say wrestling is dead.

You are literally on a message board where pretty much everyone that watches wrestling regularly also posts in the baseball thread daily. Not much crossover. lol k.

A message board based on wrestling, which is also close to dead. Very good point

You're totally right. It's simply coincidence that the people who like baseball and wrestling are all that's left.

I don't care about baseball therefor no one else who likes wrestling cares about baseball either.

That's you. That's what you sound like.

TPWW is not the amazing barometer of fandom you seem to think it is. Two blowout playoff games aren't the reason NXT only drew like 60k more viewers, and AEW lost 200k. Both companies hotshotted just about everything they could, and it didn't move the needle at all.

There's something on tv almost every night you could use to excuse current day ratings.

NXT also won in the demo, if demos still matter (we know they don't unless AEW can brag on it :rofl: ).

Sports isn’t as big a factor with wrestling as once suspected. Wrestling impacts wrestling. NXT spanked them.

Bingo.

Especially given baseball's recent struggles with getting viewers itself. I could see game 7 of the NBA finals, or some of the marquee NFL games making a minor dent, but that's about the extent. Rasslin fans are generally stinky gleeborg nerds who aren't into sports, they just want to see Kenny Omega holding up a "heckin trans rights" sign and clap for Canadian destroyers

Did they really have Cena and Taker show up on NXT? Jesus. Lol

That shit definitely should have hit a million.

They had to, bruh. They herd that Title Twosday was on and was like


ERMERGERRRRD!!

Was their only option.











lol

Like everyone I know that watches wrestling is also big into other sports, especially baseball.

Is this Noid on a different name?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Gotta love the people mad that WWE used main roster stars on NXT to be unfair to AEW. Only AEW is allowed to use WWE main roster stars on their show!

Edge
Christian
Chris Jericho
Daniel Bryan
Paige

3 people who have main evented Wrestlemania, all 5 who were World Champs in FEDBAD. Couldn't beat Developmental, couldn't even get 65% of what hip toss school got. Classic Cultists lol

why did they even bring taker and cena to nxt anyway? i legit dont know.


also, lol at anyone trying to compare those 5 names to taker OR cena, alone. Daniel Bryan is the only real notable name there. As great as he is, he's still nothing compared to cena or taker, IMO.

Why not, is WWE just supposed to roll over because AEW is on? Cena and Taker mixing it up with Bron and Melo only helps Bron and Melo.

Without using WWE Main Roster stars, would AEW even still be on TV? Maybe WWE loaded up the show to embarrass the idiot owner of AEW who personal takes cheap shots at WWE constantly. He called Shawn Michaels a bald asshole on Twitter, because Shawn books a wrestling show? You can bet your ass he would sign Shawn Michaels in a heartbeat if he could, just to tell Shawn what a great fan he is and to give him awkward hugs.

So they pulled two of their biggest (former) stars "because AEW"?

Also, I didn't think NXT/WWE needed to do anything at all because AEW is on?


Wrestling tribalism is fucking weird man. Weirder than TK on a coke binge.

It's weird that it's bad for WWE to use their old talent to boost ratings but AEW using old WWE talent is fine.

*insert fishing pole sounds here*

ahem.... "main roster stars" sir.

*more casting noises go here*

Still applies.

Hell we aren't even touching on AEW having to do a pre-show for a TV show and calling in legends from other promotions to boost it up. In fact the AEW pre-show was an ROH guy vs a NJPW guy. AEW wasn't even involved. That's pure desperation!

wrasslin is dead, long live r-a-s-s-l-i-n

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Are people actually saying it was bad for WWE to do it or is this discussion stemming from a strawman born out of bad reading comprehension?

Personally, if either side is gonna use legends in this war, I’d rather see The Boogie Woogie Man shuck and jive, ya feel me my brotha?

Why not bring back Marko Stunt just to see what kind of shapes Ron Garvin can twist him into? That’ll draw a million.

Ding Ding Ding.

Nobody would have even brought that up if not for Tiny Khan and his minions acting like WWE had no right to book their own people on their own show.

I posted this in the cocaine thread, but is it any surprise how unaware the cultist are when their fearless leader is bragging about ending John Cena's and Undertaker's ratings streak?

I dont think anyone here is saying it, but there is a metric shitload of people yammering on about it on social media.

My takeaway from that is that TPWW is smarter than the wider IWC for the most part.

It was a good night of wrestling and there has been a great amount of discussion from it since.

I will say...if WWE had just run a normal NXT show (still using Dom and Becky as their respective champions) AND had still beat AEW, it might have been time for Tiny to hang it up.

No need to call back Stunt. Have him do it to Nick Wayne, Hook or Darby Allin.

Actually feed Jungle Jobber to the Hands of Stone too.

AEW should bring Magnum T.A. out of retirement for a match. That'll def boost ratings.

The end result would have been the same.


Why did they feel like they needed to though? Surely it isn't "because".

Magnum TA has aged really well over the past 40 years but that’s only because he already looked 65 when he was 25.

Your anecdotal bullshit doesn’t change the numbers. The ratings lately have proven that sports doesn’t impact wrestling that much.

They probably just wanted to shut Tiny up, not realizing that spastic fuck would be celebrating NXT beating him by 300,000+ "because".

*insert TK tweet about Vince using his power to "shoot alot of shots" here*

Go look at my replies, I generally critique Noid. Doesn't mean that he isn't right about this. Baseball is struggling with ratings on its own as is, and you're gonna tell me that the five or so unique posters in TPWW's baseball thread is major proof of the intersection between the two? Give your head a shake.

It’s just what the data tells us now. Collision gets smashed way worse when it goes up against WWE shows than anything to do with sports. That’s just the way it is.

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The shitstorm around AEW worked in their favor this week. Got 901k viewers.

Would be way funnier if numbers immediately dropped even without competition, but that meltdown is coming.

No Million, couldn't even beat the 921k MXT got last week. About time for Tiny to get another $10 million so from daddy so he could sign that game changer Mercedes Monaé!

Quote:

Dad she is the legendary Sasha Banks! She will be the last piece I need to rule wrestling daddy, hurry get your checkbook!!!!!

They should just be happy the bottom isn’t falling out. But they shouldn’t misread an increased rating as increased approval rating. The show sucks and it’s getting car wreck attention.

I bet Cardona, Ziggler and Johnny Curtis could get them over a milly.

That would unironically be a hell of a trio now that I think about it. Feels like they would mesh really well together.

Replace Cardona with another Johnny Curtis.

Tiny Khan is not gonna like this :rofl::rofl::rofl:

https://i.imgflip.com/83yj21.jpg

There’s only so many weeks NXT can load up its show with NXT talent and…oh wait.

A lot of goobers are going to pretend that this isn’t a reflection on the quality of the product.

Lmao didn't NXT draw 787,000

Yes, yes they did :yes:

Yeah, NXT beat them. Even hitting harder with younger audiences now.

TK in shambles