Have they stopped with the counting wins/losses things already?

I don’t think it’ll work like you think it works. Wrestling doesn’t function well in seasons. It defeats the purpose and I see it as being less accessible rather than more.

I think they keep it up, but the idiots worked out that they need to deliberately book guys under to keep them from being #1 Contender for the World Title, so they only acknowledge it when they want to. Like TNA.

What an absolute asshole. :lol:

Yep. Try using unprofessional pyro guys next time, you fuckwit. Here’s a scoop: It was a bullshit idea on the surface of it.

He can’t handle criticism well. And it’s not like there is actually a good retort for it. They simply lied to the fans.

I mean I guess I'm the guy who has also been going around suggesting a rassling show with no rassling on it, so what do I know....

I just think that there needs to be a "drastic evolution"/"shift" in presentation and delivery if there is any chance of expanding beyond the shrinking niche market.

Need someone who just thinks completely differently than the "norm"

I wasn’t saying that in a dismissive way or anything — I agree with your overall point there. I think streaming would be the golden feather in a promotion’s cap. Unless it exposes them to lots of ridicule, lol. I definitely think presentation and formatting needs to be re-thought. Not “revolutionized,” per se — but just tidied up and smartened up.

That being said, as much as people may not want to admit this: Vince McMahon has actually been at the forefront of this. I mean, I don’t like the sterilized aesthetic of his shows. And his formatting doesn’t retain live viewers on TV that well. But the guy sells 1-hr versions of his show to markets that also by the 3-hr version. He creates a tedious product and then makes people pay for a more exciting one.

I’d rather someone other than Vince be at the forefront. The completionist in me would like to see a wrestling product I can engulf myself in entirely each week. But that is probably not going to happen unless one of those outside influences takes hold. The other option is that WWE expands to the point that Vince cannot control it anymore and accidental good takes place under his umbrella that is sort of self-contained (in a way that even NXT isn’t now).

Has anyone even tried rasslin in a seasonal format?

I never watched Lucha Underground. Is that a thing they did? DaveWadding would know.

Also again: I would 100p watch your non-rasslin rasslin show, Lock Jaw.

Yeah LU was seasonal. And more narrative with cinematic scenes and stories. It was very good. Also it seemed that they were able to highlight all the workers to make them look their best similar but better than ECW.

For example, El Texano came off like one of the most bad ass workers in the world. Like a Mexican Stan Hansen.

Angelico was like an evolved Jeff Hardy.

John Morrison came off like HBK 2.0.

Ricochet was easily one of the best in the world.

that was bad for the wrestler when the 4th season was slow to come out and the wrestlers could not work other places. till impact was able to make a deal with them.

No but there's a difference between keeping track of them and have them actually mean something.

Having guys go on a tear on aew dark whenever you need them to challenge for a title does not give any weight to wins and losses.

I think Britt Baker even brought up stacking Dark wins a few weeks ago on Dynamite.

Tomm End/ Aleister / Malakai Blacks perhaps AEW bound...


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Former NXT talent featured in above video...

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guess i got to dvr aew and impact big bro is about to start pisses me off that they are not on wwe nights.

I can’t watch that video, but if he is calling himself Malakai Blacks and cutting promos that contain that quote underneath, then the WWE really wasn’t the problem there.

Malakai Black and yes. Nice little 4 minute video there.

All Out going to be sold out


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unless there's a small amount of tickets they are saving for tomorrow's general public release, this presale has SOLD OUT for All Out &amp; Trio Combo package.<br><br>Every seat on map =&gt; 9,496<br><br>Plenty of tickets left for Dynamite/Rampage. Much more coming...<a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/ybvjXB41ZS">pic.twitter.com/ybvjXB41ZS</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1413169534752657414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Badly want AEW to come to San Diego

Basically all wrestling shows are going to be sold out for a little while. It’s no achievement right now.

Latest rating was a pretty big flop from AEW.

I don't think that it was a flop, not that it was great but it was average. Also it was a great show top to bottom which is more than you can say for WWE. The shows WWE produce are so bad that they are getting the lowest ratings they ever had since 93. I mean WWE is absolute shit from an ass and AEW is either "meh" or really fuggin good. The "meh" absolutely comes from the lack of fans and overuse of Jacksonville. Meanwhile WWE had been touring before live crowds for years and have been total shit from an ass.

"Nah you're all wrong, it sucks, stop having fun" - Noid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJimCornette</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GreatBrianLast?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GreatBrianLast</a>, how did you like my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> debut? I did this for all of us real wrestling fans, wrestling is no longer a safe space for friends to dance around and play dress up. Reality can hit at anytime, did they think it is going to be fucking playtime forever?</p>&mdash; Fat Bastard (@MuufuhkinMark) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuufuhkinMark/status/1413486040346726402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW All Out has sold out. I think they gotta start considering bigger PPV venues for All Out!</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1413525706794016769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AEW has the lowest ratings anyone with that sort of platform has had ever. You’re allowed to enjoy it, but “really fuggin good” is entirely subjective. What isn’t subjective is whether the show makes sense and whether it draws an audience. WWE’s creative issues are an unrelated issue, honestly. They could be great or horrible and AEW still sucks in its own vacuum.

Well, I didn’t say stop having fun. That’s just a lie to make yourself seem like a victim, but at least you got the first two parts right. White noise, arrested development, nonsensical and unartistic crap. It is also unappealing to most wrestling fans, evidently. TPWW is usually wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Real wrestling fans don't jump the rail. You should be embarrassed. You are blocked. <a href="https://t.co/Vq17trBjvG">https://t.co/Vq17trBjvG</a></p>&mdash; The Great Brian Last (@GreatBrianLast) <a href="https://twitter.com/GreatBrianLast/status/1413544069364604938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn. Fat Bastard rejected by both sides. A man without a home. Expect to see him lurking in the rafters at future AEW shows. “Crow Bastard”.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I really want to thank <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Billy</a> for bailing me out of jail, you didn’t have to do that. Just like <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IamJericho</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> shouldn’t have pressed charges, after they promised not to. I’ll see you soon, you fucking pussies, wrestling is no longer a safe space…</p>&mdash; Fat Bastard (@MuufuhkinMark) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuufuhkinMark/status/1413430680730677248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What a freak.

Typical AEW fan.

Is he threatening to "make Wrestling unsafe"?

This is going to become a thing now.

I remember when WCW had a bunch of fans hitting the ring because they had "plants" doing it before.

He should sign up and join their mid-card if that’s his goal.

I was thinking about this earlier, lol. It’ll be interesting to see if that happens, but wrestling promotions do kind of generate the fans they deserve.

That guy seems like he has like 95% the same personality and interests as you

Why did Tony Khan agree to go on Bully Ray's show if he was going to spaz out and not answer any questions??? What a manchild

Lol, I would never buy a ticket to go and see an AEW show. Swing and a miss.

He lives in the bubble. He either thinks his show is great or thinks that everyone else outside the Cornette sphere thinks his show is great. Mark Henry is/was a host on that show, wasn’t he? He probably thought he had more free advertising. He wasn’t expecting a guy to ask logical questions in response to the product.

"Fat Bastard" has some severe issues that at least begin with delusions. He claims that William Patrick Corgan bailed him out of jail. I find that hard to believe. Someone should probably actually check to see if this dude has guns. Because he is a threat to society.

Noid, for all his faults, isn't an overt mental case. He's closer to 40 tweet fanfic promo than rush the ring and threaten to do it again.

Have xrod and Noid 69’d yet?

Just another attempt to slam me as a person from someone who tries to get mean because they don’t have the substance to form actual points.

Lol, shades of “69 me, Don!” Classic comedy that. Because it’s a sex act. And sex is funny.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got news for you dipshit, the ring is sacred ground for US, and even if you and a lot of others THINK you can kick the shit out of the Young Bucks, I would have turned you into a tennis racket popsicle, &amp; you're lucky someone there didn't gut you like a fish. And you're blocked. <a href="https://t.co/hRRiJH0mOg">https://t.co/hRRiJH0mOg</a></p>&mdash; Jim Cornette (@TheJimCornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1413589654318813186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Great Unifier

the funny thing is he went after mjf cornets fav heel, you would figure he would go in during the mixed tag match. then blade would kick his ass for putting his wife in danger.

He’s not really a Cornette fan.

i don't think he is now i am waiting for cornett to take a crap on him on has show

Should be brutal.

The best will be the next interview with TK.

"Whats up with that fan jumping the barricade TK?"

"I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT HAPPENED, OUR SECURITY TEAM IS TOP NOTCH HIGH PERFORMERS!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DOES WWE LET THAT HAPPEN HUH, HUUUUUH YEAH WAAAAAAAAAY MORE!!! FYTERFEST AND DEMOS YAAAAAAAAAY"

Direct Quote :rofl:

They might avoid talking about it, just to deny the idiot any attention.

That is my guess too, I concur with Fignuts

he has to say something it was his fan that did it

Not a Cornette fan. He was sharing anti-Cornette stuff before he got shut down too. He tagged Corny in a post for attention. Not the same thing.

At this point, I doubt the guard rail jumper and the Twitter Twit are even the same person. Twitter Twit is most likely a Bullet Cult Troll.

Betthany: "Is sex a joke in heaven?"
Metatron: "Well, from what I understand, it's a joke down here, too!"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the team...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/theVaristyBlonds?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#theVaristyBlonds</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/griffgarrison1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@griffgarrison1</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FlyinBrianJr</a> are <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> <a href="https://t.co/j8NqYqzVmp">pic.twitter.com/j8NqYqzVmp</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1414680965327245325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The funny thing to me is that Pillman Jr. doesn't look nearly as much like his dad to me as he looks like The Miz with actual facial hair and hockey hair. I've never been able to unsee that.

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Werent they already in AEW?

I don't believe they were exclusive to AEW

Are any of them exclusive to AEW? :rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was a bit unexpected. The presale for the AEW Arthur Ashe Stadium is tomorrow. Hope to get my hands on a presale code soon (many of you are asking). <a href="https://t.co/oVBf4oXlCU">pic.twitter.com/oVBf4oXlCU</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1415071773515821061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And the presale starts when I’m scheduled to be in a meeting, doing a presentation. <I>Cooooooool.</I>

Announce during the meeting you have "intense diarrhea" and then leave to go get pre-sale tickets

Playing hooky is #ALLELITE

Here's a code for you Vito

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those wanting tickets to AEW on 9/22 at Arthur Ashe Stadium, the presale is tomorrow starting at 10 a.m. The code is AEW718</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1415106611270479874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wonder if trip a will do live reports from the ashe stadium

Will be chilling and enjoying the show calmly

Do you think they will have good 'stadium food' at Arthur Ashe...any plans to eat a hot dog??

They seem to have a lot of fancy food!

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/visit/a...dium_food.html

Might get a pretzel w/ mustard...

Oyster bar seems awesome.

Slurp a couple oysters with maybe some horseradish or a mignonette sauce and then just house a lobster roll.

You’ll be set for life.

Just don't get a Hot Fudge Sunday

https://youtu.be/G7MgaRS0MIE

hope they dumb the food down for the wrestling fans want a burger have to order fuku

The complex where Arthur Ashe Stadium is (the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center) has 2 other smaller stadiums also that seem like they would be cool for wrestling if they ever want to run a smaller place...

Louis Armstrong Stadium (seats 14,000)

https://i.imgur.com/PasyAfw.jpg

The Grandstand (seats 8,000, but is outdoors)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoDnbMkWEAAXc6k.jpg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's funny how AEW crowds never hijack or &quot;ruin&quot; shows, especially when AEW crowds are allegedly made up of the kind of smarks that WWE has insisted over the years are the ones who are never happy and will complain about anything</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194070968934407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's almost as if, and I know this is real crazy so stay with me here, WWE does a lot of dumb shit that people don't like and are busy fighting fans instead of booking for them</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194536897359872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Two seperate problems, though.

WWE is the bigger brand trying to cast a larger net to get more people to watch... but they're doing it clumsily and insultingly and trying to remove all the wrestling from wrestling almost to the point of parody. But an unaware parody, because they're completely playing it straight by deliberately pushing people fans express active displeasure in, burying people fans get behind, and hiring talent seemingly just off of any buzz they may have generated elsewhere with zero plan to actually use, push, or promote them. They put on shitty shows because they insist on deviating from what made them good to begin with.

AEW, conversely, is putting on the same shit for the niche audience who already watch. They're not going to or apparently trying to grow, and their stupid shit is "on brand" for people who like it already. Doesn't mean it still isn't insulting shit most of the time - it's just "our" insulting shit.

It's like driving through a town with two competing radio staions, one is a ClearChannel pop-py, saccrine top 40, and the other is owned by some local hipster with microbrew money and only plays shit from local country bands in his area because that's what *he* likes. So, unless you want to hear a plethora of either disposable autotuned it-girls or a variety of twangy pickup truck ballads, you're shit out of luck.

TL;DR - AEW fans don't have to hijack shows, because they're already getting their dumb shit fix they expect. WWE fans expect better, but the company is clearly not interested in giving it to them because it's all about what Vince wants and the shareholders expect monetarily.

Dynamite has been a show for less than two years and for 15 of those months they were hampered by a global pandemic that didn’t allow them to tour or have fans. They were just able to start touring again last week. What exactly do you think should have happened differently?

I didn't realize Cage has held the FTW belt that long

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last year at Fyter Fest, <a href="https://twitter.com/MrGMSI_BCage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MrGMSI_BCage</a> became the first wrestler to hold the FTW Belt since 1999. <br><br>Will <a href="https://twitter.com/starkmanjones?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@starkmanjones</a> be the new champion? Tomorrow night on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a>. <a href="https://t.co/ZDlztcvgpj">pic.twitter.com/ZDlztcvgpj</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1415083654544510976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After an impressive run of matches on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> + Elevation, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BestFriends?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BestFriends</a> protege <a href="https://twitter.com/WheelerYuta?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WheelerYuta</a> will make his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> debut LIVE tomorrow night on TNT vs. one of AEW’s top stars: <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sammyguevara</a>, returning to the ring for the first time since his classic main event 2 weeks ago! <a href="https://t.co/GOs31VKsH7">pic.twitter.com/GOs31VKsH7</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1415143023378411523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meeting ended earlier than expected, managed to get seats for Arthur Ashe. Section 134 but in the first row.

https://aviewfrommyseat.com/wallpape...0216224930.jpg

Seems good. Couldn't get a hold of my only IRL wrassling watching friend to see if he could go as he's away on vacation but bought 2 seats just in case.

If anyone here is waiting to buy later and willing to go solo just PM me and I can sell the seat to you if my friend can't go. Should know next week. Otherwise I'll just throw it on Stubhub if I need to.

Got tickets in the 100 section also :y:

All the closer tickets seemed to sell out fast

Booking for those fans is also why their viewership has been stagnant.

Ya I had 2 tickets in the lower section selected and by the time I clicked "next" they were gone. Seeing seats go from blue to grey in real time makes the whole thing stressful AF.

But I'm glad with what I got, doesn't really seem there's a bad seat in the place.

That's awesome! I can't wait to go see a live wrestling show again.

Wrestletix reports tonight show is SOLD OUT for Fyter Fest (4,600 seats)

I like Brian Cage but Ricky Starks getting to brag about being the V FTE champion seems like a great opportunity to give him more TV time.

What exactly are you asking? Are you asking me what I think AEW should be doing differently or what I think their fans should be doing differently? Because either way, having fans in attendance or AEW touring has little to nothing to do with anything you just quoted from me outside of the concept of live fans hijacking shows. That same pandemic happened across the street to WWE as well, and they didn't tour or have live fans.

On the whole, for AEW, the "they're new" thing is wearing pretty thin as an excuse. Two years is a decent enough time to at least get the concept of writing and booking up to snuff. With the minds they have backstage, there's no reason why overall it should be as bad as it is, but I'd imagine it has to do with criticisims being met with the "yeah, but..." thing Lance Storm talked about TNA telling him when he was asked to critique shows by RoH and TNA talent.

For the fans, again, the reason why they aren't hijacking shows is because they're already getting shit they want.

Outside of that, please don't fall into this "any criticism of AEW is just hating" mindset. "It's been good" is relative. For both companies. Hell, for every company worth mentioning.

Lol, my interest in wrestling is dipping even lower. How can anyone care about this shit? Ooh, the Best Friends have a protege! Nothing matters. Who honestly gives a fuck about all this stuff just happening?

AEW catering to a bunch of mouth-breathers who are embarrassing to be around is not a good thing for wrestling as a whole. This is the problem ROH had too. There aren’t enough hardcore wrestling nerds left to sustain business on their own. Yet wrestling promotions are doing their best to make sure that they’re the only ones who are going to watch this shit.

What exactly has been bad?

The shows commit the same cardinal sins as the WWE, by and large.

-Storylines that don’t go anywhere.

-Matches that aren’t important.

-Bad comedy segments.

-Booking so that anyone that feels special very quickly becomes “just another guy.”

What are you talking about? WWE hasn't tried to generate new fans in a decade.


What stupid shit?

You can’t honestly believe that the WWE hasn’t wanted to generate more fans. You can argue about their ability to do that, but they definitely want a healthy enough base to, you know...exist.

They aim for that average yank. They have big international markets too. You can argue that this homogenization of their product is bad, but they have specifically set themselves up in an attempt to be wrestling’s version of Disney. Their success at that is debatable. Their bottom line is fantastic. How relevant they seem to be in culture is not.

But AEW is no more relevant. It has no more fans. It’s fans aren’t more high-brow or desirable from a marketing standpoint. A high percentage of them are obsessive, and they’re probably less likely to come from a regular slice of American life. The WWE product’s engagement might not be the most intelligent and stimulating of conversations, but their overall reach and popularity is just much...better. It feels way more “normal” for wrestling fans to be WWE fans and just like shirtless Roman Reigns beating everyone and shit.

As far as AEW’s stupid shit goes: The Dark Order still exists. How anyone can defend it at this point, when it’s been there and been awful since the beginning, is beyond me. They’ve fucked up Adam Page. They’ve fucked up Cody Rhodes. They’ve fucked up MJF. They’ve fucked up FTR. They’ve fucked up Christian. They’ve fucked up Team Taz. They let Matt Hardy do things. They give Chris Jericho freedom to follow his worst instincts. Orange Cassidy and Joey Janela have jobs. Michael Nakazawa, Brandon Cutler, Festus and Karl Anderson are featured in the top heel faction. “69 me, Don” is an actual line that was uttered on AEW television.

The show is embarrassed to be actual pro-wrestling. They philosophically can’t admit to themselves that’s what they do, so they have this ironic disposition in relation to it. “You can’t say we’re fake if we’re obvious about being fake.” They don’t realize how that makes them worse. There’s no fidelity to this product. It’s not an honest con. It’s like a preacher telling you that god’s not real, but then still asking for the tithing. It defeats the entire fucking purpose. And that is why you have washed up comedians making Twitter posts about how wrestling is so fucking stupid and if you like it then you’re fucking stupid, and it’s a fair enough gripe even though technically that person is stupid for thinking they even TRY anymore. But it doesn’t matter. It’s not going to absolve them of any stank.

Wrestling without the wrestling part is even worse than wrestling to people, and AEW thinks they can get around that.

It’s laughable how every belt in this company is a world title. Even something as stupid as the FTW Championship. Last I checked, they’ve barely done shows outside of Florida. The IWGP US and IMPACT titles have more credibility than the AEW World Championship.

I’m asking what you think they should be doing to grow their audience.

I like AEW but I’m definitely not above criticizing it. But in a time where literally almost every business is stalled because of a global pandemic, I don’t think it’s fair to criticize them for not growing beyond their current fanbase.

If in 3-6 months they’re still where they are, then I will totally agree with you.

3-6 months is not a long time at all. Nothing will/can change in that short a time.

They aren't trying to get new fans.

No wrestling company is trying to get new fans. No wrestling company has tried to get new fans for a decade.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The performative hatred of AEW is really bizarre. It’s almost to the point where people look for reasons to bury the shows without actually watching it.</p>&mdash; SoberWrestling (@SoberWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoberWrestling/status/1415739098057388036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Interesting Read

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, for the non (or lapsed) wrestling fans, I'm going to explain why this guy is at the centre of the greatest, most agonising, most wholesome pro-wrestling story in years. And it's a story that's about to hit the home stretch. <a href="https://t.co/8RMOYMKXJr">pic.twitter.com/8RMOYMKXJr</a></p>&mdash; Chris Brosnahan (@ChrisBrosnahan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisBrosnahan/status/1411638991343042562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They STARTED a stable rivalry with a War Games match. You can definitely legitimately criticize their storytelling.

I wholeheartedly agree with this criticism. Many wrestling pundits have taken WWE to task for not ending feuds after HIAC.

Wow

I figured they would drop against the NBA Finals, good for them

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite last night on TNT was watched by 1,025,000 viewers on average and 518,000 (a 0.40 rating) among viewers aged 18-49.<br><br>��Read more details and analysis: <a href="https://t.co/XvxVirTMiO">https://t.co/XvxVirTMiO</a> <a href="https://t.co/iWbkHIShqN">pic.twitter.com/iWbkHIShqN</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1415768846565355526?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite tops 1 million live and same night viewers last night (1.025M). Tops Raw's 18-49 male demo. Also 0.40 adult 18-49 demo. More at <a href="https://t.co/b30cDz6YY1">https://t.co/b30cDz6YY1</a> later. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1415767923059212294?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Their storytelling is HORRIBLE. That apologist basically contradicts themselves in their defense of it, but AEW gets to have its cake and eat it too.

And that’s not an interesting read. It’s a wanky fanfic swoon piece that picks and chooses what part of the narrative told it wants to keep canon. If Kenny Omega is such a great wrestler and “the best” or whatever, then why does he need to cheat to keep the belt? And if the story is about Adam Page believing in himself, why was he such a confident character earlier? It’s a bad story, told bad.

People have been saying that since the start. There’s always some excuse to not be honest about this show’s performance. There’s some carrot to chase and postpone criticism, whilst being “totally honest about it” the whole time, of course.