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Evil Vito 10-06-2019 10:41 PM

There’s no reason to even have hope that things will improve as long as Vince has the final sign off on everything that goes on camera. I don’t know which writer pitched a DQ finish in a Hell in a Cell to him but that he decided to green light it shows how useless he’s become as a quality control guy.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5290569)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PPV ended, lights came on and people are still here booing. <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> should be ashamed of themselves. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HIAC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HIAC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HellInACell?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HellInACell</a> <a href="https://t.co/BtlC9nZemL">pic.twitter.com/BtlC9nZemL</a></p>&mdash; Cody Shamoon (@CodyShamoon) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyShamoon/status/1181032499503173632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Closest to Mania 33 and Royal Rumble 2015 level of booing and hatred by a crowd for a show.

Oh shit, I forgot about 2015.

Man, Vince is in that building hearing that.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5290575)
It's cancelled. See above

I saw. Good job! Sorry they pushed you that far.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290577)
There’s no reason to even have hope that things will improve as long as Vince has the final sign off on everything that goes on camera. I don’t know which writer pitched a DQ finish in a Hell in a Cell to him but that he decided to green light it shows how useless he’s become as a quality control guy.

I would be ashamed to have pitched it. I don’t think anyone would have. This is a top decision, and people would have been fighting it right up until the end.

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:44 PM

The reddit threads right now are glorious boys.

GD 10-06-2019 10:44 PM

Can't believe I am saying this but I am done with the Network. Won't spend a dime until Survivor Series...dunno.

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:45 PM

lol I was going to make some snide comment about you gloating over this Noid….but you know what? You deserve this moment. Gloat away sir.

RP 10-06-2019 10:45 PM

If WWE retroactively went back and enforced DQ on Hell in the Cell matches, do any of them avoid the DQ finish?

Droford 10-06-2019 10:46 PM

the only thing I would have done different was, after the ref calls the dq and the cage goes up and the paramedics come in, cut the lights and have the fiend disappear

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru Dave (Post 5290582)
Can't believe I am saying this but I am done with the Network. Won't spend a dime until Survivor Series...dunno.

I'm not paying anymore. Done. If they put on a show I want to see, I'll bootleg it. They can get paid by Fox and Saudi. Not me.

GD 10-06-2019 10:47 PM

WWE logic

Tornado Tag Team Match - No disqualifications

Submission Match - No disqualifications or rope break

Hell in a Cell Match - Disqualifications applicable

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5290583)
lol I was going to make some snide comment about you gloating over this Noid….but you know what? You deserve this moment. Gloat away sir.

:lol:

This has brought everyone together like an atrocity.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:48 PM

I only laugh so I do not cry.

Triple A 10-06-2019 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5290566)
This show didn’t *have* to be Hell in a Cell. Could have been No Mercy. They didn’t have to put Bray Wyatt in the main event. They chose to do all these things.

Wyatt really shouldn't have been facing Rollins for the title this early, yeah

Evil Vito 10-06-2019 10:48 PM

I cancelled my Network subscription immediately after MITB went off the air and it officially ended the day before the last Saudi blood money show. They’ve done nothing since then to make me want to re-subscribe.

Maybe I’ll go back for the Rumble just because I’m a mark for Rumble matches. MAYBE. And even then they might need to throw in a handjob from Toni Storm.

GD 10-06-2019 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5290586)
I'm not paying anymore. Done. If they put on a show I want to see, I'll bootleg it. They can get paid by Fox and Saudi. Not me.

I know it doesn't affect their business if a small group of users refuse to pay for the Network but I need to do this out of principle.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:49 PM

Vince will be losing it backstage. The only reason Heyman wouldn’t have fought him over this is because he doesn’t care. There is no one other than Vince McMahon that would have thought this was a good idea.

Triple A 10-06-2019 10:49 PM

"Unreal" how bad that PPV was all around...

Had more problems with the rest of the show which was total shit than the main event, which was at least interesting/different despite the horrible finish...

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:50 PM

What time does AEW come on guys?

screech 10-06-2019 10:51 PM

Welp, looks like I'm only watching NXT for a bit. That show was not very good and that ending was trash.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2019 10:51 PM

I know people are pissed, but you are doing the right thing putting it into practice. I want to hear about mass cancellations as a news story from Meltzer.

rez 10-06-2019 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5290593)
Vince will be losing it backstage. The only reason Heyman wouldn’t have fought him over this is because he doesn’t care. There is no one other than Vince McMahon that would have thought this was a good idea.

Well, is Heyman responsible for the cuck story lines?

RP 10-06-2019 10:52 PM

When's AEW coming on guys?

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:53 PM

FFS, Bray shouldn't have been in the title picture yet. But even so, they should have just pulled the trigger at the end and had him win it. It doesn't give you an unbeatable champ because they could always have him lose the title as regular Bray for whatever made up reason if they so chose. UHHHG

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:54 PM

Vince honestly just missed a huge shot. When the crowd started chanting to restart the match Vince should have marched out there and done just that with something along the lines of "You cant DQ him for that jack ass, get me a new ref and ring the damn bell!"

Evil Vito 10-06-2019 10:54 PM

Dynamite on Wednesday, DVR’ed NXT on Thursday. NJPW shows whenever they’re on.

That’s more than enough to satisfy my wrestling fix for now. Fuck Vince.

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:55 PM

Make it a falls count anywhere match at that point too since the cage is already lifted and the action was moved to the outside.

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:55 PM

BUT NO VINCE HAD TO BE A FUCKING SQUARE

Emperor Smeat 10-06-2019 10:57 PM

If I'm FOX, I would be scratching Rollins name off of potential top talent for Smackdown at the Draft since the last thing they need is any of this Hell in a Cell stink carrying over to their show. Same for demanding WWE break their couples rule in order to get just Becky for the brand.

If I'm USA Network, probably a bit livid at the disaster of what happened since they paid more for RAW than FOX did for Smackdown and are getting treated like shit a week into the new deals.

Triple A 10-06-2019 10:57 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The moment <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuperKingofBros</a> met <a href="https://twitter.com/Goldberg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Goldberg</a> <br><br>c/o WWE Network <a href="https://t.co/DoRwjlET7R">pic.twitter.com/DoRwjlET7R</a></p>&mdash; JJ Williams (@JJWilliamsWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/JJWilliamsWON/status/1181037753519267840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD 10-06-2019 10:57 PM

<div style="width: 100%; height: 0px; ██████████ relative; padding-bottom: 50.113%;"><iframe src="https://streamable.com/s/hxyzb/pkitkk" frameborder="0" width="100%" height="100%" allowfullscreen style="width: 100%; height: 100%; ██████████ absolute;"></iframe></div>

rez 10-06-2019 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290604)
Dynamite on Wednesday, DVR’ed NXT on Thursday. NJPW shows whenever they’re on.

That’s more than enough to satisfy my wrestling fix for now. Fuck Vince.

This...but will watch tomorrow for the draft :\

Volare 10-06-2019 10:59 PM

Remember, when you really need to win murder is ok.

Sepholio 10-06-2019 10:59 PM

WWE logic: This is a log term plan and will end with Becky being Sister Abigail. Stay tuned.

Triple A 10-06-2019 11:00 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’ll be back Wednesday for a new episode of Dynamite on TNT.</p>&mdash; The Young Bucks® (@MattJackson13) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattJackson13/status/1181032392162590720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Evil Vito 10-06-2019 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rez (Post 5290610)
This...but will watch tomorrow for the draft :\

Doesn’t start til Smackdown on Friday

I’ll hopefully have a date or something

Frankly a date with my right hand would be a better use of my time

Evil Vito 10-06-2019 11:01 PM

That finish has Mick Foley rolling in his grave and he’s not even dead.

GD 10-06-2019 11:02 PM

X-Pac is not pleased

<div style="width: 100%; height: 0px; ██████████ relative; padding-bottom: 56.250%;"><iframe src="https://streamable.com/s/c8cys/vqjmux" frameborder="0" width="100%" height="100%" allowfullscreen style="width: 100%; height: 100%; ██████████ absolute;"></iframe></div>

Sepholio 10-06-2019 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290615)
Doesn’t start til Smackdown on Friday

I’ll hopefully have a date or something

Frankly a date with my right hand would be a better use of my time

Shit Ill jerk it in defiance on Friday too.

Myself. Not you. Whatever you get the idea.

Splaya 10-06-2019 11:02 PM

Like they ruined it. They had something special with Bray and they ruined it. People should be pissed. People should be hurtling insults and cancelling subscriptions. Wwe SHOULD be ashamed. Vince should be ashamed. Whoever made the call to have this as the finish should be fired.

xrodmuc316 10-06-2019 11:04 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Using a sledgehammer in a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HIAC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HIAC</a> is “too far”. <a href="https://t.co/zBIittoyrY">pic.twitter.com/zBIittoyrY</a></p>&mdash; Wrestle Features (@WrestleFeatures) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleFeatures/status/1181031657190633472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jordan 10-06-2019 11:05 PM

I canceled my subscription.

Droford 10-06-2019 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290604)
Dynamite on Wednesday, DVR’ed NXT on Thursday. NJPW shows whenever they’re on.

That’s more than enough to satisfy my wrestling fix for now. Fuck Vince.

dont forget impact on tuesday

Splaya 10-06-2019 11:11 PM

Better turn Seth heel now. There’s no way he’s surviving this feud without turning heel. By booking this way, they essentially did a double turn (even though I’d argue everyone wants to cheer Bray anyways)

Sepholio 10-06-2019 11:11 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">X-PAC’s reaction to the ending of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HIAC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HIAC</a> 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 <a href="https://t.co/A6p05eYMrS">pic.twitter.com/A6p05eYMrS</a></p>&mdash; IG PWDNEWS FOLLOW US! (@PWDNEWS) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWDNEWS/status/1181038135129640961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Black Widow 10-06-2019 11:16 PM

So everything the internet didn't want to happen did?

Sounds like a show worth checking out Ha! Ha!

Jordan 10-06-2019 11:17 PM

ROH Monday, NWA Power & Impact on Tuesday, AEW Wednesday, and NJPW. I may actually boycott WWE for a year and see how my life goes.

RP 10-06-2019 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Widow (Post 5290627)
So everything the internet didn't want to happen did?

Sounds like a show worth checking out Ha! Ha!

I wanted you here sweet cheeks. And you came. How are you?

rez 10-06-2019 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Widow (Post 5290627)
So everything the internet didn't want to happen did?

Sounds like a show worth checking out Ha! Ha!

Are you the left, right, or neither chick in your pic?

GD 10-06-2019 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RP (Post 5290629)
I wanted you here sweet cheeks. And you came. How are you?

Back off man :mad:

BigCrippyZ 10-06-2019 11:41 PM

:rofl:

Holy shit! I'm so glad I didn't know this PPV was even taking place and didn't waste my time on this garbage. This is hilariously awful. This is just more proof on top of the already existing mountain of evidence, that Vince, and everyone in Vince's "yes man" inner circle who are too chicken shit and/or stupid themselves to tell him what an absolute out of touch dumb fuck he is creatively today, don't deserve even 1% of the rewards (financial, credit, etc.) they've received over the last decade plus for continuing to say "yes sir" and give him his daily blow job.

Destor 10-06-2019 11:42 PM

Big oof on that main

Droford 10-06-2019 11:49 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hell has rules ! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HIAC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HIAC</a> <a href="https://t.co/CFdc1mFtEd">pic.twitter.com/CFdc1mFtEd</a></p>&mdash; David LaGreca (@davidlagreca1) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidlagreca1/status/1181033982340878336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

rez 10-06-2019 11:55 PM

At least the Colts won. There's that

owenbrown 10-06-2019 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Widow (Post 5290627)
So everything the internet didn't want to happen did?

Sounds like a show worth checking out Ha! Ha!

:roll:

RP 10-07-2019 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru Dave (Post 5290632)
Back off man :mad:

practicing my Red Pill

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 12:20 AM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7NLSHYemZFU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And this was BEFORE the show. He apparently went on a completely nuclear rant after the show that I hope ends up on YouTube.

Ben Rodrigues 10-07-2019 12:21 AM

For those who have cancelled the WWE Network, here are some great alternatives for you to spend your money on that are sure to deliver:

November 3rd - UFC 244 Masvidal vs Diaz
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Mr. Pierre 10-07-2019 12:25 AM

Holy shit...

Fellas, if you can’t decide on a winner...

DON’T BOOK THE FUCKING MATCH

In their horrible attempt to “protect” both guys, they somehow managed to hurt both Seth and the Fiend.

#1-norm-fan 10-07-2019 12:28 AM

Just read the results and came here to say “lolwhat”.

lolwhat

Mr. Pierre 10-07-2019 12:30 AM

It’s just amazing to me that this show is scripted. Real life sports with unpredictable levels of competition have better drama and more emotional storytelling. What in the motherfuck did I just watch?

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pierre (Post 5290654)
Holy shit...

Fellas, if you can’t decide on a winner...

DON’T BOOK THE FUCKING MATCH

In their horrible attempt to “protect” both guys, they somehow managed to hurt both Seth and the Fiend.

The Fiend had ONE MATCH in his gimmick and that was all it took for them to decide to book him straight into the title picture. And not once did they consider that one of them would be expected to lose.

That's what happens when you have a company that doesn't book with any sort of long or even medium-term planning.

Emperor Smeat 10-07-2019 12:37 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">seth trying to leave the arena after the show goes off the air <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HellInACell?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HellInACell</a> <a href="https://t.co/iGxHPulYMx">pic.twitter.com/iGxHPulYMx</a></p>&mdash; v (@viqqyy) <a href="https://twitter.com/viqqyy/status/1181035709521641473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If there was ever a time for WWE fans to pull a page from WCW's book, tonight's ending would have been one of those moments.

WCW fans were notorious for not being afraid to pelt the ring with trash for stuff they hated due to it being legit terrible or heels being that effective in generating heat. Only happened occasionally in WWE during that era but the practice pretty much stopped after Droz got seriously injured and WWE clamped down hard on it.

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 12:39 AM

That's not Seth Rollins, but 100% would've been in favor for the ring being pelted with garbage after that show.

Ben Rodrigues 10-07-2019 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5290658)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">seth trying to leave the arena after the show goes off the air <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HellInACell?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HellInACell</a> <a href="https://t.co/iGxHPulYMx">pic.twitter.com/iGxHPulYMx</a></p>&mdash; v (@viqqyy) <a href="https://twitter.com/viqqyy/status/1181035709521641473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If there was ever a time for WWE fans to pull a page from WCW's book, tonight's ending would have been one of those moments.

WCW fans were notorious for not being afraid to pelt the ring with trash for stuff they hated due to it being legit terrible or heels being that effective in generating heat. Only happened occasionally in WWE during that era but the practice pretty much stopped after Droz got seriously injured and WWE clamped down hard on it.

That's from UFC Mexico a few weeks ago.

Emperor Smeat 10-07-2019 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290659)
That's not Seth Rollins, but 100% would've been in favor for the ring being pelted with garbage after that show.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Rodrigues (Post 5290660)
That's from UFC Mexico a few weeks ago.

Yeah its not Seth. The joke made me remember how WCW fans would have treated this had it happen back in the day.

James Steele 10-07-2019 12:46 AM

How the fuck does that main event happen? Of all the things you could have done with that match, you decide on 1) shitty lighting, 2) the absolutely most insane overuse of finishers, 3) end a HIAC on a fucking DQ, and 4) somehow fuck up The Fiend in his 2nd god damn match while trying and failing to book him to look like a horror movie god.

Just absolutely awe-inspiringly shitty.

PS, I’m fucking tired of seeing Charlotte Flair.

Triple A 10-07-2019 12:49 AM

Apparently WWE's "official ruling" is that the match ended "due to a match-stoppage ruling that led to Rollins retaining the title" and not a DQ

James Steele 10-07-2019 12:52 AM

How did anybody think this was a good plan?

xrodmuc316 10-07-2019 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5290664)
Apparently WWE's "official ruling" is that the match ended "due to a match-stoppage ruling that led to Rollins retaining the title" and not a DQ

Yeah, like that will make all the fans to "oh, I guess it's ok then".

Not to mention Wyatt was literally fully recovered 2 minutes after the stoppage, cause Vince???

slik 10-07-2019 01:04 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">i forget who said this while i was at wwe - but someone was pissed and said “vince wants bray to be the next undertaker but he’s making him the next papa shango” and that’s stuck with me since regarding every weird bray decision. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HIAC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HIAC</a></p>&mdash; james mckenna (@chillhartman) <a href="https://twitter.com/chillhartman/status/1181038487983673344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 10-07-2019 01:05 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">should I end Premiere Week by taking a big shit on my product</p>&mdash; VinceMcMahonGoogling (@VinceGoogling) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceGoogling/status/1181036774342025216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

James Steele 10-07-2019 01:23 AM

This somehow makes them completely shitting on Kofi seem not as bad.

Emperor Smeat 10-07-2019 02:03 AM

:lol: Rollins got pissed at a fan after the show because the guy taunted him with a sign that said "Seth Rollins is not cool"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bullshit and AEW chant but got the best one right here. �� <a href="https://t.co/2E74kyMm0D">pic.twitter.com/2E74kyMm0D</a></p>&mdash; JohnLooseCannon (@KiddCage415) <a href="https://twitter.com/KiddCage415/status/1181037689727938561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat 10-07-2019 02:11 AM

Fightful on the finish to tonight's event and how backstage reacted to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fightful
Fightful has spoken to several backstage at WWE Hell in a Cell, who called the finish to the show involving Seth Rollins and The Fiend completely a Vince McMahon's call, and his sight and vision played out how he wanted it. There was much criticism from the roster and employees that we spoke to immediately after the show with this, among some other booking decisions this week -- though those weren't specified with details.

At least one story we heard involved Vince McMahon laughing off the reaction that the crowd gave the finish.


Sepholio 10-07-2019 02:15 AM

48 hours. 48 hours in and Jussie is no longer on the hook for the biggest fuck up by someone under contract to Fox.

Nicky Fives 10-07-2019 04:38 AM

Makes sense if they have a rematch with a Special Guest Referee tomorrow on Raw after The Fiend snaps and takes out every referee slowly throughout the evening to add to his wall.....

mrwalty 10-07-2019 04:40 AM

There are not enough words in the English language to describe how shit this show was. I cancelled my network sub right after. Also glad that WWE is moving to a channel I do not get in the UK now as well. There is no way I am going to miss the product.

DaveWadding 10-07-2019 05:43 AM

Really enjoyed Sasha/Becky. Want to see Sasha Banks vs. Io Shirai. Hopefully soon.

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 07:30 AM

Quote:

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Splaya 10-07-2019 08:19 AM

They easily could have done way better. After Seth hits the Fiend with the sledgehammer, you could have had Seth go for the cover. Fiend kicks out at one. Fiend then does everything he did after the bell rang but then the lights go out and he’s gone, leaving Seth bleeding in the ring but the Fiend is gone

Droford 10-07-2019 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 5290665)
How did anybody think this was a good plan?

This was probably the lesser of evils considering there should have been no way Bray won the belt BUT he also couldnt really afford to lose the match either. They got enamored with the concept of locking Seth in the HIAC with Bray as the fiend but didnt think it through completely.

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 08:46 AM

Potential concern: if/when FOX eventually pushes Vince over bad ratings, he'll just resort to the same shit he did with USA. "OK, how about I bring back some legends!" "What about a Wild Card rule?"

It's just gonna keep being the same Band-Aid shit.

Gerard 10-07-2019 09:00 AM

So wwe last night pretty much made the case that the fiend was unbeatable having taken over a dozen finishers, chair shots etc. Wonder if they'll remember that in a few months time, kinda doubting it.

Gerard 10-07-2019 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5290673)
At least one story we heard involved Vince McMahon laughing off the reaction that the crowd gave the finish.


Wouldn't surprise me, and this is the same hypocritical old fart that goes on about "sending the fans home happy" when he wants to sell an angle to someone.

#1-norm-fan 10-07-2019 09:50 AM

Oh, I had no doubt that Vince was thinking “Listen to that reaction! Job well done!”.

Jordan 10-07-2019 09:52 AM

#cancelwwenetwork #11 on twitter

Jordan 10-07-2019 09:53 AM

IDK how many but thousands have canceled.

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 09:57 AM

WWE’s official YouTube clip of the finish

9,000 likes
34,000 dislikes

GD 10-07-2019 09:58 AM

It’s about principle. Even if we don’t make much of an impact, we shouldn’t support a horrible product with our finances. Especially not when there are so many better alternatives in the market. While I have some interest in RAW today, I might skip it.

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 10:03 AM

You MIGHT skip it.

That’ll show ‘em.

Evil Vito 10-07-2019 10:05 AM

I don’t even think The CyNick could’ve justified that finish.

BigCrippyZ 10-07-2019 10:17 AM

Vince: "Sophistication = treating our viewers like they're stupid."

#1-norm-fan 10-07-2019 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5290714)
Oh, I had no doubt that Vince was thinking “Listen to that reaction! Job well done!”.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290722)
I don’t even think The CyNick could’ve justified that finish.

He’d justify it the same way. “Any reaction is a good reaction. Kudos to WWE for forcing this much passion.”

Innovator 10-07-2019 10:40 AM

Did someone show Vince Virtual Boy?

GD 10-07-2019 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5290721)
You MIGHT skip it.

That’ll show ‘em.

Well, I can’t deny my intrigue.

DAMN iNATOR 10-07-2019 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5290586)
I'm not paying anymore. Done. If they put on a show I want to see, I'll bootleg it. They can get paid by Fox and Saudi. Not me.

I had to renew yesterday. My subscription was supposed to run out today but somehow it got cut off without me canceillng it (yes, I'm sure) back in late September. So now, I'm ironically stuck in WWE Network hell until early February.

DAMN iNATOR 10-07-2019 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5290522)
Is Seth going to celebrate like Lex Luger?

He should've taken a Bo Dallas victory lap.

http://giant.gfycat.com/EntireUntidyHarvestmouse.gif

Mr. Pierre 10-07-2019 11:39 AM

Mission: Destroy Everything

Objective - Squash the Fiend
Objective - Bury your champion’s finish
Objective - Turn your heel into a babyface
Objective - Turn your babyface into a heel
Objective - Impair the audience’s vision
Objective - Compromise the rules of a 22-year old gimmick match

MISSION COMPLETE

Volare 10-07-2019 11:51 AM

Agreed.


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