More than solid first show. Stoked for next week.

Also, I’m sure xrod pours the milk first and then the cereal. He seems to be that type of douche bag.

You know, I started to make a troll comment about when Lucha Bros came out with suits on that it "took me out of the show"... but I'd be afraid someone would take me seriously. Excalibur's mask does not bother me one bit. The only time someone in a mask bothered me on commentary was Ring of Honor when Steve Corino had started wearing one on for seemingly no reason other than people were supposed to believe that it wasn't Steve Corino. If it were explained, I missed that episode. It seemed like a joke that someone forgot the punchline to or some angle that never played out. Like they were trying to do the Mr. America angle but lost interest in the backswing. Had nothing to do with his ability as a commentator, though, or the couple of minutes of airtime they showed him each week.

I do agree with 8 billion huge spots not being the end of matches, but that's something endemic in wrestling as a whole anymore. I don't like it here, but I also don't like it in WWE, nor NJPW, nor ROH, nor LOLTNA... just everywhere. Especially when you have something like a triple flip canadian destroyer from the top rope to the outside through a flaming table leading to a kickout at two, then that leads to a Three-Handled Moss Covered Gamily Gradunzel, countered into a double-team Doomsday Device... but then the match ends when one guy lands a knee strike because it has a cool name.

*THAT* takes me out of a show more than some guy talking off camera but you know he's wearing a mask...

The goal is to get people talking about your product. If AEW had more people talking, that's a win for them.

Twitter engagement is a more valuable metric than ratings to advertisers. By far

This. WWE are very smart with how they've positioned things. When NXT ends up beating AEW in the ratings, they're going to be the fourth highest rated show getting beat by the WWE's third brand. A lot of fans will act like they don't care, but this will certainly ice them.

This is what happens when you call bullshit like it's good shit. Jim Ross was always smart enough to call out the bad stuff in front of him, so he retained credibility. Shiavone ended up becoming a parody of himself.

I mean, it's largely the WCW product's fault too. I don't hate Shiavone for it, and he's a funny chap, but I think people forget that Shiavone was mocked mercilessly for a decade there.

Eh, it's one indicator of buzz. People tweeting about you doesn't mean it is positive, and it doesn't mean it's going to translate to any other metric even if it is. It also doesn't mean that they're going to be talking about you next week.

I'm pretty sure AEW is going to kill it this week, but very slowly, as the sheen wears off and the goofy stuff starts happening on TV more and more often, it's going to drip off as NXT gets stronger for being solidly booked each week.

Overall, I liked both shows. Although, in an abridging of my prevous comment in the other thread, it feels like WWE is trying too hard up against a product that is essentially just starting from scratch.

My critique here is that I hope AEW doesn't try to do a bunch of bullshit just to try to be major league top-notch in a day. Even WWE wasn't WWE overnight. Neither was WCW. I hope they don't rush shit and grow organically.

We're way past growing organically

There's no reason that a fresh wrestling promotion can't be big quickly. When people talk about wrestling, they talk about it as "wrestling." Sometimes you still hear "WWF" pop up. There's a history to it that is ingrained in people and culture that doesn't need a WWE brand name to flower. A big time presentation on a big time channel is enough to get some people watching.

WWE doing their best to prevent it from happening would be a big reason. Did it to World of Sport when ITV competed against their UK plans, to ROH a few years ago when it looked like ROH might finally reach the next level of growth, and recently against AAA by trying to take steam away from their MSG show.

Realistically, AEW probably needs a good 2-3 years to be established enough to potentially start becoming a legit WCW-like threat to WWE. Took WCW almost a year before Nitro became a legit threat to RAW and they were an established company that already had a presence on tv beforehand.

Impact blew their chance of ever becoming a real threat to WWE because they mishandled things from the start and whenever they tried to grow, they went about it in a wreckless way that crashed down every time leading to them never really growing their audience nor their status.

If you compare AEW to NXT:

AEW has a much better Tag Division and a much better men's roster. The only place NXT has AEW beat is the women's roster.

NXT probably comes across as the lesser show not being aired in front of 10,000 seat arena.

Im going to have to wait to hear the commentary but I think AEW beats them on that too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wanna see something cool? How about all three dark matches from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a>'s premier broadcast. These occurred after the show was over and they're great. Here's the first one. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWonTNT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWonTNT</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a><a href="https://t.co/Hm8dbDHHM3">https://t.co/Hm8dbDHHM3</a></p>&mdash; Wrestle Royalty (@WrestleRoyalty) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleRoyalty/status/1179665985692983296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not the greatest video/view...but you can sort of see Jack Evans fall on his face at 1:04

this is the match I thought should have been on the actual show

I mean as opposed to doing shit just because WWE is doing something. That's one of the biggest things that got TNA in trouble throughout their entire time of being a thing, even through all the mismanagement, wasted money, and misused talent, they were trying to play catch-up and instantly fill the void WCW left behind instead of just worrying about themselves and letting their own product become its own product. If that makes sense.

Something unrelated I meant to mention earlier: when they were having that little "confrontation", it's kinda weird how Jack Evans and Jason Mewes kinda look alike in a Kurt Angle/Frank Trigg way.

No, you dumb fuck. Everybody remembers how bad he was. That's why his podcast--followed by his awesome performances in MLW were such a revelation.

104/163 posts in the NXT thread are noid posts and 2nd place is xrod with 22. Oof.

Looks like I won't be popping into that thread once I get around to watching NXT tonight, then.

In addition to the Cody/Jericho title match, I could totally see an 8-man tag at Full Gear. LAX, Hager, and Guevara vs. The Bucks, Dustin, and a mystery partner who turns out to be the debuting Marty Scurll.

xrod still confused as to why his subjective opinion isn’t more important than which was more popular.

I bet most people here found the matches on AEW last night better than the matches on Raw or Smackdown recently. So if he wants to use that metric and ignore which draws more people then AEW has defeated WWE’s MAIN PRODUCT!!!

AEW WINS AGAIN!!!

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Gonna have to dust this one back off for XRod

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I kinda want Dustin to get a bit of a serious run instead of just being used to put the young guys over and take the fall in tag matches. He just had arguably the best match of his career, he’s in the best shape of his career. It would be cool to see him have the serious run he never got the chance to have.

Enjoyed this a bunch. A bit wonky in the beginning, but that's to be expected I guess. Hearing Tony and JR was wonderful.

Pac is great. I'm glad Daniels & Kaz will represent SCU (nothing against Scorpio, but I'm a big fan of Daniels). Moxley taking out Omega was fun. Loved seeing Hager out there. It's a bit weird to me that he's seen as "a hoss," but I think he can do some v good things as that.

Lots to look forward to for next week :y:

It's so true.

I get it's a "war" and it's part of the marketing. But why not just enjoy the wealth of wrestling now on television? Who cares if AEW BEATS WWE INTO A LIVING DEATH or vice versa.

What is your point? FYI, this reply is my 20th post in this thread...

Really? So my saying this one episode of NXT was better than this one episode of AEW to you means "AEW sucked and Raw and Smackdown are way better"???

You are just making all sorts of incorrect conclusions.

Just so you know, I rank wrestling shows this week as follows:
1. NXT
2. AEW
3. RAW

NXT went all out THIS week and had a better show THIS week. It's literally all I said.

XRod, it's also that you're just a gaping asshole of a poster.

Dale always knows how to sum things up more succinctly than me.

Xrod is good for the forum.

My point is that the TPWW NXT thread is a very low quality product with hugely inflated numbers.

You would enjoy a contrarian killjoy for contrarian killjoy's sake.

Though, you're right in the sense that I do get a MASSIVE kick out of hurling abuse at him. And probably post more as a result. Controversy Creates Cash #EricBischoff

It's clear you all have such bias for AEW that you can't even consider being impartial.

I say NXT had a better show, and your fandom takes that as I hate AEW, and your best response is name calling, cause that is how to properly defend your position.

I don't know how to make it any clearer other then I enjoyed NXT more this week. Anything else you think that means about my overall opinion on AEW is your own mind's doing.

Your months of desperate, awkward, shitting on AEW for reasons that make no sense as if you’re weirdly insecure on WWE’s behalf is more the reason you’re a ridiculous person. And why you are being ridiculed as such.

Its not that. When he posts 3 other people post. We all talk more.

You knew which show you were going to like more on tuesday just like they did. Objectivity is in pretty short supply here.

ITV fucked it already. Supposed to be on their on demand service at 7pm. Still nowhere to be seen at 8:40pm. No results when you search AEW.

Addressed it.

lol most people think NXT was a titch better. They also just enjoyed both shows rather than seeing the need to dump on one or the other.

You're just a killjoy. Probably a troll from TPWW's past.

Which show was better is not quantifiable. Some people will think AEW better. Others NXT. That's not hate or bias. It's preference. And in that sense, nobody can be right.

What is objective is which show had more buzz and was being talked about more. If the was in fact AEW, then that's a win for AEW and loss for NXT, since the point of putting NXT on network tv at its timeslot was seemingly to try and take the piss outta AEW.

Except it is hate and bias when just because somebody says NXT has a better show all these AEW super supporters have shitfits.

I'm not the one in this thread calling people douchebags or gaping assholes.

Saying I'm shitting on AEW for no reason. There is a very specific reason, and that's because saying anything but AEW is the greatest thing even works multiple users here into an absolute uproar where they just make up all this horrible stuff I said about AEW.

I got this much anger by saying NXT had a better show. It's all I said, and these guys are going out of there ways to count how many posts I made in the NXT thread, which oh by the way, is the same amount I made in this AEW thread.

You know what's also weird, when I posted praise and excitement about AEW in the NXT thread, nobody lost their shit.

When I takes about things NXT did that I didn't like, nobody lost their shit.

But God forbid I don't blow loads to AEW, well then I'm the biased one.

Hardcore AEW fans suck and are the biggest drawback to what otherwise is a mostly enjoyable product.

When you start saying dumb things to try to hate on NXT in the same manner, I will be sure to ridicule for it. Like, say... if you switched and seriously began posting stuff like "Another win in the ratings for AEW! NXT's response?" and then posted a tweet from an NXT wrestler and try to use it as a "gotcha" toward NXT, I would shit on you for saying something stupid. Kinda like I did when you made this post...

That's why you catch hell when you try to shit on AEW and others don't. Because you're a try-hard. And you say really dumb, nonsensical things in a smug manner on NXT's behalf. And it's gross to people.

By the way, 1.4 million viewers in the bank for AEW!

I would post WWE's response but Seth Rollins apparently deleted his Twitter.

Just to clear this up for you xrod, I have not watched this show. I have not watched NXT. I have not stated a preference. If I have a bias it's New Japan because that's what I actually watch.

In case you missed the purpose of my post regarding thread statistics, the point is that you are a truly awful, unintelligent contributor. The fact you have the second most posts in that thread, behind only the distinctly pompous Noid, who somehow managed to post over 100 times in two hours, indicates that the majority posting about live NXT on TPWW are classless morons who like to cast aspertions about others while denying the truth of their own unsavoury behaviour. In that sense, with no context of either show, the moral victory goes to AEW.

Now would you like to accuse me of enjoying Joey Ryan or anything else while we are here?

I'm classless, when I'm the one posting without personally attacking other posters. The purpose of your post is to sling insults for no other reason then you are seething for I don't even know why.

And yet you can't seem to grasp that I made as many post in the AEW thread as I did in the NXT thread, cause I was watching both shows. I never said "look which thread has the most posts". Who cares?

I mean we are at a point where we can't like both shows without getting ridiculed.

I get it, I do poke at AEW, but guess what, I poke at NXT and WWE as well. When I do that about WWE, NXT, nobody cares. I do it about AEW and people flip out, accuse me of all sorts of things, and act like all I do is praise WWE like a brainwashed person and only hate AEW.

Truth is I've paid for 3 AEW PPVs, watched the 2 free ones, watched the road to Dynamite on Tuesday, watched Dynamite last night, and will watch it next week.

I can't do much more to support their product, but it is impossible for me to be as loyal to AEW as some of the posters here are, or be as loyal to WWE as those posters assume I am.

You guys have taken the fun out of posting about wrestling.

gotta say it was a pretty good show

I'm a seething mad AEW hardcore fanboy who is only here to stop you having a good time. I give you credit, that's not a personal attack, if only because its wildly inaccurate.

Lol X-Rod is burying himself so much

Ultra Mantis throwing haymakers in here. Jesus.

I like to think my eternal heelishness rubbed off a little bit on Ultra Mantis in this situation.

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I'm sorry you feel that way. This does not change the fact that which show is better has no correct answer.

Orange Cassidy rules and has very wide appeal imo and any1 shitting on him for being signed by AEW is dumb imo

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OMG this is the CUTEST thing. I don't know who took this photo, or who it is (if this is you, chime in - this is awesome!), but this is freaking ADORABLE. &lt;3 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/bKCwjgYUxR">pic.twitter.com/bKCwjgYUxR</a></p>&mdash; ��Phoenix�� (@Phoenixnjpw) <a href="https://twitter.com/Phoenixnjpw/status/1179818114092916736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:y: <--- but Orange Cassidy style

AEW could make a ton of money off of O.C. branded oranges similar to NXT slapping the Street Profits branding on regular red party cups.

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They aren't oranges but man are they delicious. It could be a running gag

In all honesty, he's one broken top rope from a career ending injury. (how is he stopping himself from falling on his head when running the ropes with his hands in his pockets?)

This show was an excellent debut. I’m very excited for Moxley vs Omega

i wonder if the kid is one of the boy's children or if its a kid of someone from the production staff
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My son �� <a href="https://t.co/LOuizx3Agj">pic.twitter.com/LOuizx3Agj</a></p>&mdash; DLR aka OWB (@DerekEsquire) <a href="https://twitter.com/DerekEsquire/status/1179909834763833345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He was posing for pics after the show. I was dead. He set up a chair for each pic and never broke character. <a href="https://t.co/0YaWfh64AJ">pic.twitter.com/0YaWfh64AJ</a></p>&mdash; DLR aka OWB (@DerekEsquire) <a href="https://twitter.com/DerekEsquire/status/1179910728263831552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

the only thing Ive ever said on here about AEW that was the least bit critical was 50 bucks for their PPVs before they even aired a show was too damn expensive. and if I go to full gear that point might be moot for me as well since I sort of think they should have gotten a few more weeks of tv under their belt before another PPV

that kid was aewsome, they showed him on the screens about 4 or 5 times he never broke character...top level cosplay commitment

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This. Is. Awesome. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/atlwagIWqS">pic.twitter.com/atlwagIWqS</a></p>&mdash; Arby's (@Arbys) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arbys/status/1179574335377412096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lol

I enjoyed the show. it definitely had a big feel to it. More then TNA ever had in my opinion. I just hope they can sustain viewership over the next few weeks and months. I get worried about people losing interest watching a lot of no names or WWE lifelong mid carders. Seeing Swagger was cool and all, but will people really care about him? They have to crush it with the writing, promos and storylines. I expect them to hover around 1.0 for a while as they try and figure out things.

I almost thought Riho was gonna be seriously hurt during some of those in ring spots

Not a huge fan of Riho, but I guess it was better than all the possible negativity to be had from Nyla winning

Riho is definitely a better choice than Nyla. But goddamn does her offence look weak

My prob with Riho is that she seems very "generic".... nothing about her seems to "stand out" or "set her apart".

All I think when I see her is "damn she's small"

What's crazy to me is that she's been wrestling for 14 years.

Jim Cornette called this a “good show” and gave it the edge over NXT. They even impressed Jim fucking Cornette. Good job, AEW.

No no no. Nxt had the better matches and show and therefore they win despite blowing out nxt in the ratings and in word of mouth.

Why would you go out of your way to count them? Very odd. And I was one of the few watching NXT, so of course they’re mainly my posts. I tapped out on AEW some time ago. But I would expect the new shiny thing to get more attention for their debut.

It literally takes one click to see who has posted in a thread and how many times. Why would you go out of your way to post in a dead thread over 100 times?

Lol, that doesn’t answer why you would do it. I was sharing my thoughts on the show I was watching. Why anything, Mantis?

it's just because you're fucking annoying.

Why did I check who posted? Well Noid, I didn't watch either show and was interested to read the reactions of people who did, however, before I did this I clicked on the post counts to see who had contributed to each thread. Seeing that you had four times the amount of posts in that thread as the next guy, in this case the equally repellant xrod, I decided not to bother reading it because why on earth would anyone want to waste their time reading over 100 of your posts in a linear thread? Astonished by how poorly the NXT thread had performed from both the view of post quality and engagement, I decided to share that here, as it's a relevant information point to judge how this first "head to head" was received by the TPWW community.

Also as Dale said, you are fucking annoying.

lol Noid trying to call someone out for not answering a question

Cody shared a thing on Twitter touting an upcoming series called AEW: Dark on the company YouTube channel that will showcase dark matches and segments from Dynamite. It will be hosted by Tony Schiavone.

I like that this will be an official thing from the company, rather than hearing about sweet matches and only maybe being able to see them somewhere eventually. Plus it's a good way to push subscribers to their YouTube so people can see the "Road to" videos they've been making.

Not even the question he asked at that.

"Why did you go out out of your way to manually count my posts? Odd behavior"
"I didnt go out of my way at all. I literally clicked once on the post count"
"Lol avoiding the question! Discredited!"

I didn’t say that, you stalky knob, I said it doesn’t explain why you would do that. I didn’t “call you out.” Have a fucking sook and play the victim more.
You did go on to explain why you would, but it’s still really weird. You could just go into a thread. I can tell you who has posted in here without using a post count.

If you want to be discredited so badly, I’d suggest a better reason is because you’re a bad poster. These boards have gone to shit with actual shits like you stanking up the joint. As Destor said, xrod contributes to conversation. All you are is a pretentious cunt. And that’s coming from me. You lost the right to look down on anyone the first time you “Well, actually’d” about New Japan. You don’t have the high ground when you are not only a snob, but often an incorrect one.

I’m going to put you on my ignore list now, because I can’t remember the last Ultra Mantis post that actually contained anything interesting. Imagine being such a dickhead that you try and mock people for discussing wrestling on a wrestling discussion board. If you don’t want to read people, don’t fucking read them, you wanker. :y:

Matt Jackson also mentioned recently that the whole wins-loss thing will also count there so its gives some added incentive for people to watch the show.

So much projection and so little reality. Yep that's a Noid post.

Did you skip the whole bit where I said I dont read your posts and I dont need to because of the post count link? I know you dont actually realise it's a feature because despite posting 500 times a day you dont actually understand how message boards work, but look into it, it's a great time saver.

Pointing out I watch New Japan makes me a snob? Lol fuck off, everyone has a bias to what they enjoy. Did I say that makes me superior somewhere? Anywhere? Hello? Is posting 100 times to yourself really a discussion? Are you trying to say Destor thinks I'm a bad poster? Are you sure about that? Do you have an answer to any of these questions?

Glad you find me so innocuous you need to put me on ignore though. Cant remember any of my posts but I'm always wrong. Solid reasoning. 10/10

I like it. That can also build a nice story for someone "earning their way" to TV by doing well in dark matches.

Someone should let Ultra Mantis know that now that I’ve got him ignored I can’t read what he’s saying. It’s bliss. Bye, bye, Mantis, you miserable fuck.

He hasn't blocked you so I think he can read this post just fine.

Uh, I don’t care if he can read what I’m saying.

Noid lacks the self awareness to realise he is performing the social equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and blowing raspberries. Which, in truth, is really no different to any of his other 48,408 posts.

I wonder if he can view your posts if I quote them. Just curious.

Oh, I thought you wanted to let him know that you had blocked him.

He doesnt care if I can read it, but he wants YOU to read it and tell me what it said so he can be sure I've seen it because he really wants me to know he doesnt care if I know, his feathers are not at all ruffled despite his neg reps and abusive posts, and above all he is definitely not making himself look like an even bigger idiot than he did before this exchange took place.

Say no to online bullying.

Seems AEW realized they goofed up with the "ref discretion" stuff in the 6-man tag match main event and tweaking their "rules" so it doesn't come off as odd in the future.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What an unbelievable match! Riho is special.<br><br>I personally think it was a blown call by the official, BUT the officials have it up to their discretion and they’re the law. Definitely reviewed though and I imagine won’t happen again. <a href="https://t.co/Tt9Ew4mXod">https://t.co/Tt9Ew4mXod</a></p>&mdash; Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1180935468797616128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Between this and other stuff they've been open about, AEW is a lot more aware of mistakes they make and wanting to fix it instead of being extremely stubborn and dragging their feet on making changes for the better like WWE.

Where's that referee?! he was trying to FUCK ON HER!!!

Nah, I just imagine he’s still talking about me. It’s bliss when you get rid of the cunt chunks on here. You’d be surprised how few people are actually interesting.

AEW gonna be delayed tomorrow by baseball probably

AEW Dark now available on Youtube.

Don't say that :mad::rant::nono:

Had MLB scheduled Nats-Dodgers game for 8:45pm or 9pm, AEW likely completely avoids that situation.

As is, its a very tight window between games. Cards-Braves Game 4 went 4 hours due to extra innings but Game 3 was 3:22 and within the window of time tomorrow's game has.