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Seanny One Ball 07-25-2019 07:54 PM

Oh God...

Bad News Gertner 07-25-2019 11:27 PM

I can't believe this thread has reached "Last Page" status

Tom Guycott 07-25-2019 11:28 PM

That sounds like a gimmick a poster might use on this site.

... eh ... not that I'd know anything about that... :shifty:

Bad News Gertner 07-25-2019 11:53 PM

:shifty:

Triple A 07-25-2019 11:58 PM

If I want to watch an episode of "Mid South Wrestling," what's a really good episode to watch to check it out? Never seen it I don't think

Bad News Gertner 07-26-2019 12:36 AM

I love the May.31 1986 episode with Eddie Gilbert, The Russians and Bill Watts.

The June 29 1985 episode is great but I'm not sure if it's on the Network.

Seanny One Ball 07-26-2019 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5272526)
If I want to watch an episode of "Mid South Wrestling," what's a really good episode to watch to check it out? Never seen it I don't think


Gertner had me start at the beginning of 82 I think. JYD looks so healthy and buff, it's unreal.

Bad News Gertner 07-26-2019 07:51 AM

Yeah I'm not the best with dates, but you really can't go wrong with 82 Mid South. Hell, Mid South was even good when it became the UWF in 86.

Triple A 07-26-2019 02:47 PM

Wait am I confusing it with Mid Atlantic Wrestling... which one is the one that's supposed to be really good

Mid Atlantic seems to be more prominently featured on WWE Network

Seanny One Ball 07-26-2019 04:52 PM

Mid Atlantic is Jim Crockett, Mid South is Bill Watts

Seanny One Ball 07-26-2019 04:53 PM

Depends if you're in the mood for Flair or JYD

Seanny One Ball 07-26-2019 04:53 PM

Gertner you say things now

Bad News Gertner 07-26-2019 04:56 PM

Mid Atlantic depends on the year. 85 and 86 is great. 83-84 were transition years and very hit and miss.

Seanny One Ball 07-26-2019 05:05 PM

The first Starrcade in 83 was pretty bad besides the last few matches.

Bad News Gertner 07-26-2019 06:57 PM

The T.V was pretty bad as well.

Bad News Gertner 07-27-2019 06:52 AM

I was watching an old MSG show from 1981 and came across this match. I've had this show for a while but had never watched it. What a fun match.


Seanny One Ball 07-27-2019 12:36 PM

The Moondogs were lunatics based on the Smokey Mountain shit I've seen. I just thought they were fat simpletons in the old WWE stuff. Nope, pure maniacs.

Bad News Gertner 07-27-2019 01:43 PM

You gotta check out their Memphis stuff. Fucking ridiculous wild brawls.

Bad News Gertner 07-27-2019 01:44 PM




Seanny One Ball 07-28-2019 01:15 AM

Does every match in Japanese wrestling begin with ribbons and streamers covering the canvas?

rez 07-28-2019 01:51 AM

my balls hurt

Seanny One Ball 07-28-2019 02:02 AM

Gertner, what should he do?

Bad News Gertner 07-28-2019 06:29 AM

Rest them on a block of ice

rez 07-28-2019 07:41 AM

thanks

Seanny One Ball 07-31-2019 07:26 PM

Jeff Jarrett looked so young and skinny in 1986...
They sold him as a nice young man who referee'd the matches then got his dick smashed by Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel.

Feel like I love Double J even more now.

Seanny One Ball 07-31-2019 07:34 PM

Now Bill's doing his own commentary with Buddy and Dutch as he watches a clip of him wrestling Big Red Reese.
Guy's called Big Red and he wears green...

Everything should be like this. Last match Bill body slams a guy on the concrete floor and the guy is fucked for the rest of the match.
It's the simple things.

Bad News Gertner 07-31-2019 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5273811)
Jeff Jarrett looked so young and skinny in 1986...
They sold him as a nice young man who referee'd the matches then got his dick smashed by Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel.

Feel like I love Double J even more now.

Fucking amazing angle with JJ, Jerry Jarrett, Buddy and Bill. The interview that Jerry Jarrett gives is unbelievable

Bad News Gertner 07-31-2019 09:22 PM

Memphis Wrestling is so good

Seanny One Ball 07-31-2019 11:13 PM

It's as violent and as absorbing as it gets. The ring work is so clearly defined too, if it's in the ring sell it a lot but outside act like you're dead.
The whole Dundee, Landel and Dutch gimmick is amazing. Two brawlers and a rassler, but even Landel and Dutch ain't rasslin much. As for Dundee... He just beats the fuck out of 'em.

I also mark out for Tony Falk, the greatest jobber gimmick I have ever seen. I mean it. He comes in acting like a lanky Nature Boy, has back and forth fights then gets beaten by his own stupidity and arrogance every time.

The reverse Goldberg.

Seanny One Ball 07-31-2019 11:19 PM

I tried to watch USWA but it is significantly worse quality despite it being newer. I suppose they were on VHS recording cameras by then and presumably a lower tape quality... it's bad and the camera angles look like shit too as if held by wankers.

Bret Hart did do an absolutely insane Deep South accent mocking Lawler in one of them though. I mean it was mental, he quotes Cool Hand Luke in a completely bonkers mock accent. I should have recorded it.

Bad News Gertner 07-31-2019 11:54 PM

I remember watching the final episode of USWA in my garage. It used to come on after Smokey Mountain Wresting

Seanny One Ball 08-01-2019 12:04 AM

Tracy Smothers

Seanny One Ball 08-01-2019 12:07 AM

You know who I like now? Jos LeDuc.
Did a sweet baseball slide into the corner after a whip, turned and got up immediately and plants the guy with a beast of a clothesline.

Been trying to find the footage of him getting sledgehammer by Mongolian Stomper through a cinder lock but can't find it. The one Stomper ate looked pretty sore though.

Bad News Gertner 08-01-2019 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5273987)
Tracy Smothers

Tracy Smothers was amazing. Does not get nearly enough love.

Seanny One Ball 08-01-2019 01:00 AM

I liked his matches but didn't realise he was the reason they were good if you know what I mean? Like he just happened to be in good matches but I couldn't figure out why :lol:

Ahhhh.... I'm still a mark. I don't want to be smart to everything.

Seanny One Ball 08-01-2019 01:02 AM

Tracy Smothers man, in the ECW roster they talk about him like a legendary badass. I can believe it.

Bad News Gertner 08-01-2019 09:39 AM

He was amazing in ECW. Those F.B.I skits still crack me up.

Bad News Gertner 08-05-2019 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5272526)
If I want to watch an episode of "Mid South Wrestling," what's a really good episode to watch to check it out? Never seen it I don't think

Check out the December 11th, 1982 episode of Mid South

Bad News Gertner 10-09-2019 11:48 PM

Watch this match. Second greatest in ring feud of the 80's in the WWF behind Tito vs Valentine. Awesome match.


Seanny One Ball 10-10-2019 09:58 AM

I will when I get off this bus

Bad News Gertner 10-10-2019 04:25 PM

It's so great

Bad News Gertner 10-13-2019 12:07 PM

I also recommend this match from January 1984 on WWF T.v Tiger Mask vs Mr. Saito.

Starts at the 1 hour 8 minute mark. I actually prefer this match over the famous Dynamite Kid vs Tiger Mask from Madison Square Garden 1982 match.


Seanny One Ball 10-13-2019 11:37 PM

12 pages it took to get to Tiger Mask.

OK, so let's go Japanese style for a page or two. What matches should I watch to get into Japanese wrestling?

An example of strong style would be fun along with the more traditional wrestling.

Bad News Gertner 10-14-2019 12:11 AM

That would be a question for Destor or Fignuts. Never got into Japanese or Lucha mainly because I don't speak either language and thus can't understand the commentary.

Seanny One Ball 10-14-2019 12:22 AM

I can do a different thread for that.
I respect your input so I will continue on the righteous path.

I would like to know what jobbers you found particularly entertaining. Stevie Richards is my all time favourite jobber, especially when he created Right To Censor and got into winning.

Bad News Gertner 10-14-2019 10:03 AM

I LOVED Iron Mike Sharpe. His whole shtick was hilarious.

Rusty Brooks who was a big fat jobber in the mid 80s that Vince called "a walrus" was fucking tremendous.

Have you ever watched the episode of Tuesday Night Titans where all the guests were jobbers? It was awesome and Rusty Brooks steals the show.

The Duke of Dorchester Pete Doherty was really entertaining


For whatever reason I was a big Mideon fan. Probably because i used to watch Shotgun Saturday Night/WWF Metal every Saturday and he was always on it.

Lastly, in 97-98 Jim Cornette was booking the jobbers ao you'd get awesome indie guys like Ace Darling, Christopher Daniels and Devon Storm and old Southern rasslers like Tommy Rogers and Davey Rich. The Hardy Boyz were awesome jobbers as well

I'm a jobber lover and could talk about them for ages

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-14-2019 10:50 AM

what are your thoughts on the homoerotic jobber fetish that has taken YouTube comment sections by storm?

Bad News Gertner 10-14-2019 11:38 AM

Lol it's the greatest thing on youtube. The comments sections will make you cry.....for various reasons.

Seanny One Ball 10-15-2019 09:14 AM

What's that about a homoerotic jobber fetish?

Bad News Gertner 10-15-2019 12:06 PM

Read the comment section of this match and it'll explain everything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dU2lxevUg40&t=1s

Seanny One Ball 10-15-2019 04:47 PM

I feel unclean now

Bad News Gertner 10-15-2019 06:10 PM

Hahaha

Seanny One Ball 10-18-2019 06:20 PM



13:35 for the most bafflingly poignant musical choice in wrestling history.
The video accompanying the tune should be a tampon advert.

Bad News Gertner 10-22-2019 12:03 AM

Continental Wrestling was an amazing Territory that was pretty much not talked about until about 10 years ago. They didn't get a lot of magazine coverage, but with pretty much every territory being at your finger tips with how advanced technology is, people are seeing how great it was.

Bad News Gertner 10-22-2019 12:03 AM

Also, I love my avatar

Seanny One Ball 10-22-2019 10:28 AM

Iron Mike Sharpe had the physique of a Roman gladiator.
Was he the one that used to run up and down the bleachers before and after an event?

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-22-2019 10:34 AM

it was weird. Sharpe in his younger days had a really good body. As he got older he was still in good shape -- in really good shape, actually -- but his body was not exactly an aesthetic pleasure to behold.

Bad News Gertner 10-22-2019 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5295128)
Iron Mike Sharpe had the physique of a Roman gladiator.
Was he the one that used to run up and down the bleachers before and after an event?

Haha yup, Sharpe was in crazy shape. When you watch his House Show matches he's constantly moving. He doesn't just sit in a nerve hold like most wrestlers his size.

Bad News Gertner 10-28-2019 05:39 PM

Worst Women's match I've ever seen. Magnificent Mimi vs Candi Devine for the AWA Women's title. It's soooo bad.


Supreme Olajuwon 10-28-2019 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5295130)
it was weird. Sharpe in his younger days had a really good body. As he got older he was still in good shape -- in really good shape, actually -- but his body was not exactly an aesthetic pleasure to behold.

I felt the same way about Dino Bravo using the strongman gimmick when I was a kid. Because I was stupid and thought strongmen should have a physique like the Ultimate Warrior or British Bulldog. I’m sitting on my couch thinking to myself, “that guy’s not strong, he’s just fat!”

Seanny One Ball 10-28-2019 07:56 PM

At 1:10 of that women's match you can see the world's most dangerous suplex.
That's right after a phantom clothesline and a rope run where one girl just falls down for no reason.

Could not finish.

Seanny One Ball 10-28-2019 07:58 PM

They do that thing where they shake their shoulders around then start bouncing towards each other like kids play fighting on a couch.

Fucking dreadful.

Bad News Gertner 10-28-2019 07:59 PM

:lol: that missed clothesline

Seanny One Ball 10-28-2019 08:03 PM

That thing is a gif goldmine.

I can't stop watching the first 70 seconds

Bad News Gertner 10-28-2019 09:40 PM

Lol if I knew how to do that, the missed clothesline will take a highly valued spot in my sig

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-29-2019 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5296286)
I felt the same way about Dino Bravo using the strongman gimmick when I was a kid. Because I was stupid and thought strongmen should have a physique like the Ultimate Warrior or British Bulldog. I’m sitting on my couch thinking to myself, “that guy’s not strong, he’s just fat!”

Yeah, though as I got older and understood physiques and body makeup, Bravo started looking much more impressive to me. His fucking shoulders, back, and chest were enormous. He just had that belly. It honestly made him look like a really solid front row rugby player -- and in wrestling I prefer that aesthetic.

Though I think how guys look on TV under the lights versus real life is always interesting.

On TV Steve Austin looked... almost like an everyman? Not that he looked in bad shape, but compared to the body guys he was just kind of "there," specifically when you're a kid. Then you see him next to regular people or even his role in the Expendables, and realize he's actually a fucking behemoth and jacked as fuck.

Mr. Nerfect 10-29-2019 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5296276)
Worst Women's match I've ever seen. Magnificent Mimi vs Candi Devine for the AWA Women's title. It's soooo bad.


Lol, the finish is amazing.

I love the commentary over this thing. The talk about her execution of the monkey flip is great.

Seanny One Ball 10-29-2019 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5296419)
Then you see him next to regular people or even his role in the Expendables, and realize he's actually a fucking behemoth and jacked as fuck.

When he was in The Expendables he nearly killed Sylvester Stallone for real. Broke his neck.

Fucking piledrivers man.

Seanny One Ball 10-29-2019 05:15 PM

Also LOL @ this from Rocky 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telegraph.co.uk
''Dolph Lundgren and I always went for it.

''I gave him orders to try to knock me out while the cameras were rolling.

''At one point, he hit me so hard on the top of the head I felt my spine compress.

''He then hit me with an almighty uppercut.

''That night my chest and heart started to swell, and I had to be helicopter-ambulanced from my hotel to a nearby emergency room.

''I was told that Dolph had punched my rib cage into my chest, compressing my heart.

''If it had swollen any more, I would have died. After that, I was like, 'Dolph, it's only a movie, bro...'''

Hahahahahaha

Seanny One Ball 10-29-2019 05:16 PM

That's one of the funniest things I have ever read.

Bad News Gertner 11-16-2019 08:55 AM

Greatest job of selling ever

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Ol Dirty Dastard 11-16-2019 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5296482)
When he was in The Expendables he nearly killed Sylvester Stallone for real. Broke his neck.

Fucking piledrivers man.

I think it was a tackle.

Seanny One Ball 11-16-2019 01:32 PM

Yeah, that was the joke m8

Seanny One Ball 11-19-2019 09:21 PM



This is actually a great match but the little white guy in the gi cracks me up. He calls himself "Kung Fu" and he taps out to a vertical suplex before it can be completed for one of the falls...

Seanny One Ball 11-19-2019 09:23 PM

Great technical skills though.

Bad News Gertner 11-19-2019 10:19 PM

King Fu Eddie Hamill!

I gotta watch more World of Sport.

Seanny One Ball 11-19-2019 10:42 PM

The mat wrestling is usually pretty good in World of Sport.

Just for reference, this is what other televised British sport looked like at the time:

Bad News Gertner 11-20-2019 12:02 AM

Lol what the hell was that

Seanny One Ball 11-20-2019 01:27 AM

Shove ha'penny and pub/table skittles

Seanny One Ball 11-20-2019 01:33 AM

It was literally a sports show about pub games.
Britain just wasn't ready for the outdoors yet.

Seanny One Ball 11-21-2019 11:25 PM

Watching Mankind/Taker HIAC for the 100th time.

Best commentary ever recorded.

Seanny One Ball 11-21-2019 11:26 PM

Also in real time Foley's feats there are absurdly short spaced

Seanny One Ball 11-21-2019 11:34 PM

"Terry Funk's been chokeslammed out of his shoes"

"what is that sticking out of his nose?"

:lol:

Ugh, if it wasn't on film you'd never believe it.

Bad News Gertner 11-21-2019 11:57 PM

I think I've watched that match more than any other match besides Hogan vs Rock Wrestlemania 18.

Seanny One Ball 11-22-2019 12:10 AM

Yeah me too. I think the only match that comes close is an old Shawn Michaels/Ric Flair match from like 1991 that I used to watch on VHS every morning for weeks/months.

Seanny One Ball 11-22-2019 12:11 AM

I can't actually remember anything about that match besides Michaels missing a dive and it being absolutely devastating.

Remember that?

When just flying into the railing meant a good minute on the floor.

Bad News Gertner 11-22-2019 12:12 AM

Beauty and the Beast vignette from Continental Wrestling. So 80's, so great. Such a great gimmick.


Seanny One Ball 11-22-2019 12:22 AM

Pink sweats though

Seanny One Ball 11-23-2019 01:20 PM



WWE apparently tried to hire Aleksandr Karelin every time he won the Olympics.
His record was 887 - 2.

My mind is completely blown by that number.
He looks like he's throwing children around but they're all 120kilos.

Seanny One Ball 11-26-2019 12:46 AM



Danno O'Mahoney's Irish Whip into a snapmare takedown.
36 seconds in.
Still can't find the actual Irish Whip though.

Seanny One Ball 11-26-2019 06:02 PM



Ultimate Warrior kicking fuck out of some snakes.
Real snakes.
Kicked.

Bad News Gertner 11-26-2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5303749)


WWE apparently tried to hire Aleksandr Karelin every time he won the Olympics.
His record was 887 - 2.

My mind is completely blown by that number.
He looks like he's throwing children around but they're all 120kilos.

I remember that. Japan really wanted him as well.

Seanny One Ball 11-26-2019 07:27 PM

Literally raised by the state to wrestle and dominate.
The real life Ivan Drago.

Bad News Gertner 11-26-2019 07:49 PM

Actually, I'm pretty sure he had a fake shoot fight in RINGS with Akira Maeda. I heard about it in a podcast a couple months ago.

Bad News Gertner 11-27-2019 10:19 PM

This may usurp California Championship Wrestling as the worst promotion I've ever seen. George Gulas's UWA.


Seanny One Ball 11-27-2019 10:21 PM

Daddy said sell

Bad News Gertner 11-27-2019 10:21 PM

Hahaha

Seanny One Ball 11-27-2019 10:25 PM

http://kentuckyfriedwrestling.com/th...ds/jet-set.jpg

It's goddamn delightful

Seanny One Ball 11-27-2019 10:32 PM



Greg Gagne looks buff compared to the boy Gulas.

Bad News Gertner 11-27-2019 10:43 PM

Plus Greg was actually good lol


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