It's really sad even more-so that he has a daughter.

He also has two twin boys

Bliss out at Evolution

Just do Mickie vs Trish

The Usos?

JK, I only see his daughter in the commercials with him didn't know he had boys.

It's also a red belt and red is a commie color!

Some new details about what WWE is currently considering for a new tier to the WWE Network.

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The losing champion never gets a guaranteed rematch either.

The only time it felt like a real title was when Goldberg and Brock held it. I suppose given the scope of his push, Roman holding it felt normal too. Don't really buy anyone else as a champion, and it was never going to feel that special in a company with two World Titles anyway. Goldberg and Brock helped it because they are special.

:'(

Absolutely not.

Both an interesting and classy move. I wonder if this is in any way acknowledged by WWE, even internally.

"... and then you add Kurt Angle to the mix?! <s>You</s> the chances of winning drastic go down!!!"

The numbers don't lie! They spell disaster for you at Crown Jewel!

:heart:

I wish there was a way to nuke that entire arena from orbit.

I just don't know why people can't understand why wrestling is looked down upon sometimes.

I had this idea after watching a brief clip of Kevin Nash talking about the current product:

WWE could experiment with different audiences by putting a more adult product -- or less produced, anyway -- on the WWE Network, where they don't have to adhere to TV standards or expectations. All the Attitude era stuff is already there for the kiddies to absorb anyway.

I don't know whether or not this is possible with streaming services, but I'd toy with the idea of putting it up for a limited amount of time too. Maybe even a very narrow window of time in order to make it seem a lot more urgent. In my head, I was playing with 11pm on a Friday until 11am on a Saturday. The idea, although you would never promote it as such, would be to get the little kiddies to sneak a watch either while their parents are too busy drinking or nursing hangovers the next morning. I found wrestling through a Saturday morning show.

It allows you to shake more fruit out of the tree. Very few talent can get the chance to show what they can do in an organic setting. I'm not saying they would be saying "Fuck" every three seconds or anything, but you can have more organic feuds and stories that have a bit more...testosterone than the current product.

I use to love all that Indy nonsense, in particular, back around 2008-2010 or something I was a huge Chikara fan. But now I just see all these crap and none of it seems funny anymore.

The guy with the super strong penis who keeps flipping people over with it... never laughed once. Think I've lost my smile.

I think at some stage it's natural for wrestling fans, given the stigma associated with wrestling, to say "Of course we know it's not real -- look at how deliberately fake it is." And that gets compounded with so many wrestling tropes being smacked over our heads that anything that subverts it seems "fun." But wrestling is really conflict drama. It has goals (winning and losing) and it should have stakes in order to justify emotional investment.

The thing with all the comedy wrestling is that is completely defeats the point of any of that. I don't think it's impressive to go out there and pretend that the goals and stakes are ludicrous. And I think to non-fans, as opposed to being an obvious edge into to a staged form of entertainment, it's actually as silly as someone trying to do a comedy song but not being able to remotely play an instrument or be able to sing. "Why do you watch this shit? You know it's fake, right?" "Of course I do! Look at that guy swinging people with his penis! They're clearly not trying to fool anyone!" "Yeah, but why do you watch this shit?"

It's got even less of a point than WWE's sports entertainment, and I actually consider it a very self-conscious and self-hating form of wrestling. I'm sure the guys who do it think it is funny, but I can't help but think that they must be deeply insecure to need to overtly discredit any form of irony bribe. It's like they are too scared to actually try. And it's riddled with 15-year-old boy syndrome.

I think I know the Kevin Nash clip you’re talking about. He had a great line that went something like “How am I supposed to suspend disbelief when I’m watching a grown man say ‘I’m gonna kick your butt’. Meanwhile I go outside and two 14 year olds are getting off the bus ‘Your mom sucked my dick last night...’”

:lol:

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Those commentators sound like they're geniunely laughing.

And they don't sound 6 years old.

6 of those guys are now contracted to WWE, with another who used to work there, and a guy they brought in as a big deal for a one off appearance.

Who are they?

I do wanna see Chuck Taylor in the WWE. Even though I've "outgrown" the comedy stuff, I do think he's a pretty solid worker and has loads of goofy charisma.

WWE responds to Megyn Kelly saying blackface 'not that bad' w/concern that Bella Twins appearance would be bad PR.


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Pete Dunne, Ciampa, Cedric Alexander, Kendrick, Matt Riddle, Alexander Black/Tommy End are all under contract. Sami Callahan/Solomon Crowe did a stink in NXT. Jushin Liger did a guest spot for a Takeover.

Megyn Kellys comments weren't that bad. She was asking a question.

Did WWE pull their people from the appearance for was the show just scrapped by NBC? Because it sounds like the latter.

They canceled the show and she is probably fired. WWE didn't do shit.

Bet if Kelly offered a boatload of cash, WWE wouldn't see a problem with it.

Also a bit funny that WWE has a problem with blackface but not with people who say racist things considering the recent Hogan news.

As of right now, WWE pulled their people. NBC hasn't made any actual decision yet.

Agreed. People blew this one way out of proportion.

Everything is speculation and clickbait at this point. The show is not cancelled yet. She is not fired yet. Both of these things are very likely to happen, but as of now, they haven't. I don't have any love for Megyn Kelly, but given what she actually said, I would hope they would not fire her and maybe just make her take some tolerance training or something for publicity purposes.

As it stands right now, the show is on the air and she is on a leave of absence. She wasn't on the show today, but probably will be on Friday as they pretape the Friday shows. We will know more when NBC makes an official statement or when that timeslot roles around on Monday.

It's amazing to me that WWE will pull people from Megyn Kelly over some innocent comments because they fear backlash from being associated with that.....yet they are still going to Saudi Arabia. These 2 decisions literally don't jive.

Apparently WWE's live events took a huge hit for the fiscal quarter based on WWE's recent report. Both revenues and attendance were at their lowest in years with Vince pleading to investors not to worry since he can quickly fix it.

Numbers-wise, everything else in the report that the WWE tried to present as positive had a hidden negative or counter which is why their stocks took a hit afterwards. Like them boasting at having 1.65 million subscribers for the Network but yet they only made 2% more in revenues compared to last year.

Sounds like NBC wanted a reason to get rid of Megyn Kelly

Not surprised as live events

Tickets too expensive for non-big shows.

Uncaged VI is being released tomorrow and the track listing is as follows:


As you can see, it's an all female track listing (I wonder why?).

The only themes I'm really interesting in are Katie Lea's, Natalya's (but we've already got the full version from the SvR games but it's still a good theme), Beth Phoenix's, Molly Holly's and Ivory's.

I've also noticed that just over half of the themes are from the 05-09 period but you can't really complain as the vast majority of women before 2005 were only given really generic sounding production themes, especially in the late 90's/early 00's, which are only represented by Ivory, Stacy Keibler and Molly Holly. I'm not counting Stephanie's theme there even though it's from 2002, because she's the boss' daughter so obviously she would have been given her very own theme.

I think it's cool that we've been given two themes that were only ever used once, with those being Beth Phoenix and Emma, who by the way, is the only "2010's" theme on the album and yeah Tamina's theme is from 2012 but I can't really recall her using a remix of "Tropical Storm", so I think that may be a completely unused theme all-together. I think maybe she was going to use it but plans were made to pair her up with AJ Lee, so she just began using AJ Lee's theme instead.

I remember reading somewhere that although the Uncaged albums are credited to Jim Johnston, he has never had anything to do with the albums as it's all CFO$ doing. I remember reading that they're given free range to the WWE music library and they select which themes get added to the albums. They are also apparently allowed to change the names of tracks which they did with Viscera's theme from Uncaged III. It's original Jim Johnston title was "Fuck Me" but they changed it to "Gut Punch". I think maybe they've done the same with Molly Holly's theme as its title is simply "Molly Holly". I'm sure its original title was "Virginous", "Virgin" or "Wholesome". Something that was related to her gimmick at the time anyway. "Molly Holly" is kind of a boring and unimaginative title and doesn't really scream that Jim Johnston made it. I think CFO$ may have wanted to change it but couldn't think up of something so they just went with "Molly Holly" because as we've seen with their themes, they are just simply creative Gods.

WWE should make house shows tix cheaper

They often get too close to being the same price as RAW/SDLive ticket prices

Yeah my last house show ticket was like 63 bucks and they were good seats but not great. First row of non-floor seats. Good view though considering I was sitting above everyone in front of me by a good bit.

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Should also run fewer of them since not only are they directly competing against themselves, it would also give an extra day of rest for wrestlers to keep them healthy.

Think it was the Observer who mentioned the only reason why WWE runs house shows on the same day as a RAW or Smackdown episode is due to Vince and co not wanting wrestlers and road crews to have an extra day off. Nor do they feel like shifting the schedule so that the off day starts on a Monday or Tuesday depending on the brand.

That is 100% the clip I am talking about. You don't need to break PG, but come on -- this company has got no clue how kids genuinely relate to each other.

I'm curious as to how Vince thinks he can fix it. He probably doesn't, but that's the point of an investor meeting, isn't it? Lie to them enough to keep them invested? But I'm glad there is bad news coming out of the report. WWE is not going to change unless it has to.

They have to charge more for tickets because fewer people are going. They would be able to get away with charging less if there was more interest in the product. This is the same reason they are thinking about bringing in tiers to the Network. They can't get new people in, so they need to milk their hardcores in order to keep chugging along.

WWE puts themselves in these situations. When they don't have a brand split, SmackDown becomes a rerun or otherwise redundant, and its ratings tank which means it is at risk of cancellation a lot. When they do a brand split, SmackDown benefits, but Raw suffers and live events and PPVs go down, because it weakens the core roster strength. It's this constant tweaking game between keeping SmackDown alive and not letting your other business get too weak.

The simple answer would be to end the brand split and let someone else handle SmackDown, making it a unique show with its own feel and storylines that get people hooked. You know -- actually putting the work in to make the show feel important while you still have talent on Raw and live events. But that requires effort. Much easier to just give it a "unique" roster and then act surprised when things are so watered down that no one gives a shit and you need to jack-up ticket prices.

Also, fuck this company and their hypocrisy.

Lol the airport in Jacksonville in the show the Good Place is Randy Macho Man Savage Non International Airport

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Didn't realise Evolution was this weekend, is anyone actually going to watch it?

I'm pretty hype for it. Not as hype as if WWE did a good job at all of booking and building it up, but still I'm looking forward to it.

In 2 years, we're going to be talking about how former UFC Champion Ken Shamrock wrestled a match against the 46th President of the United States, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and the UFC fighter lost.

I won’t. Just not that into WWE’s women’s division/roster.

Also, got tix for Takeover Phoenix. :cool:

I read that the Bellas were apparently upset with Ronda's promo, so Nikki will 100p win in 4 minutes via armbar.

IMO it's a "worked shoot" because Ronda wouldn't have said anything unapproved. Maybe they didn't tell Nikki in order to get genuine reaction, but I could see her trying to add a little "spice" to the feud by acting "shoot" upset with the promo.

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WWE has botched this event so badly.

I'll watch it and I hope it's good, but I'm expecting it to be a mess.

I think it's probably the most they've botched one of their own PPVs since the infamous ECW brand's December To Dismember that was scheduled for one week after Survivor Series and Vince forbid anything but the main-event being announced more than a week in advance b/c he was worried D2D would 'take attention away from Survivor Series' otherwise.

In fact, IIRC Vince put all the blame for the show being a disaster on Paul Heyman and fired him almost immediately after the show. Heyman/Vince had clashed about Lashley winning the title at the show as Heyman wanted Punk to leave as champ but Vince was all about pushing Lashley as the face of the ECW brand at the time.

Heyman also wanted Punk to make Big Show tap out in less than five minutes. Prichard ridiculed him for suggesting that on his podcast.

I am genuinely curious as to how they'll book the RAW Women's Championship match. Will it be "one-and-done" or will we see a screwy finish with Stephanie interfering?

You're right!

Also they had only announced two matches for the show before it aired, the main-event and a tag match between Hardy's and MNM (John Morrison/Joey Mercury). And the show wasn't even 2 1/2 hours long, which Vince again blamed completely on Paul Heyman, who wasn't allowed to book anything for the show really more than a few days in advance.

This was very confusing at the time

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You're probably right, but I can totally see the brass "pulling a fast one."

Yikes at this tweet

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One of the reasons why Johnny Nitro/Morrison/Impact has heat with WWE..... I never knew this existed until 3 minutes ago....

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Suprusingly relevant in 2018 though

People are gonna be soon pissed when Charlotte vs Becky is in the 1st hour cause Ronda/Nikki is the main event

Thought I remember Heyman saying, as a compromise, to let Punk tap out Show, give him a good, long showing while still having Lashley win but giving Punk the rub. Which would've been a much better idea.

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That's when wrestling looks dumb as fuck. The two guys in the ring standing around watching him go up. Fucking get out of the ring dumbasses

What did she say?

Apparently she didn't like the stuff involving Cena since she implied a similar thing in a recent interview with the New York Post.

Same person who complained backstage after AJ Lee gave the "Pipebomb 2.0" promo which is why that led to nowhere afterwards and can't stop blabbering about Cena whenever asked about her relationship and Total Divas in public.

Probably why WWE let her do a "worked shoot" on Ronda about her mom as some sort of appeasement.

She should have just screamed "Say it to our faceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" over the promo.

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Great game, then they built on it and made Wrestlemania and No Mercy.

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No Mercy was better too

Reason I bought a N64.

I know that was a typo, but Callahan did stink in NXT. They didn't play to his strengths at all, and I think they attempted to just add bim to the collection.

:y:

No Mercy was probably my favorite WWE game, that or SmackDown 2.

I think the issue is that it has become too much. Like with anything, a lot of it is fun in moderation. A goofy spot or a comedy match should be a palette cleanser. As should a hardcore brawl. As should a match chock full of "flippy shit". Problem is, now the wrestlers on every match of every indy show think all three of those thongs should happen in every match. It's too much, which makes it hokey.

It's why I personally dislike Young Bucks matches... I get the whole rebellion thing works for them, and that's fine, but the "a match isn't good unless it has at least one dive" philosophy makes dives not special. Cramming 800 finishes into a match before it is even halfway done might be ok periodically, but not every. single. match. Even the Joey Ryan dick flip was funny IN CONTEXT of the first time it was done (wrestling a guy who always went for a testicular claw, and having him suggest Ryan not only not sell, but actually reverse it because "American penis so big; so strong"): something that has been long since lost in all the time afterwards spent either having someone like Cornette only see the clip and focus on the spot itself or Joey making his penis into his whole one-dimensional gimmick. It was a time and place thing that was only good a hand full of times (not a pun). Instead, it was run into the ground.

I actually liked the Golden Bucks vs. Mysterio, Fenix, and Bandido match from All-In because it was frantic, fast paced, and short (due to time constraints which happens when you book a show full of people who have never had to bother with keeping things in a certain amount of time). It was the best match the Brothers Jackson were in that I've seen because of those facts. My only complaint was that it should have been the fourth match while keeping the same amount of time it had. Their style is best suited for 6 minute throw everything at the wall kind of matches, but they try to stretch it out and do other shit and it falls flat on its face.

As for Joey Ryan, I have said that one spot was only funny the one time and it had everything to do with it being a counter to Danshoku Dino. I prefer his Chase Stephens bit where he was a typical white meat babyface who just happened to be gay. His whole bit at All In was not worth watching, and I had to explain that to my Dad, who's 75.

Layla's early theme "Nasty Girl" was really good. Disappointed to see it not on the list.

Besides being upset over Ronda's promo a couple weeks ago, Nikki Bella is now upset that the word "Diva" has a negative stigma to it. Probably because she's currently the most high profile person and symbol from that era and its poor quality left in the WWE.

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She's already been public before about being upset that people have a low view of Total Divas and not crediting it with the start of WWE's Women's Revolution instead of NXT. Same for legit thinking it was her match and people wanting to see the Divas brand wrestle more that caused fans to revolt.

Real reason was fans hated how WWE refused to fix their handling of the main roster women and didn't want to see the more talented NXT women suffer the same piss break fate.

There is one person who can be credited with the Women's Revolution. And her last name isn't Bella or McMahon. Also, her first name isn't AJ or Paige.

It was Sara D'Amato. She went from being one of the best women's wrestlers in the world (who Vince didn't hire because she was too "old" and "ugly") to training the girls and her track record is amazing. No Sara, no Women's Revolution. End of story.

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I really wish they'd let Amato have at least one match on WWE television.

Also Johnny Ace considering he was in charge of talent signings at the time. His preference for hiring women was you either had to have glamour magazine beauty or someone he would consider picking up at a bar or strip club for a date afterwards.

No coincidence that once he got fired from the job, the skill level of WWE's hiring of women afterwards started to shoot up in quality. Less preference on Ace's wiener as the judge and more towards having actual wrestling skills or other skills that could be molded into being a good wrestler.