1 year, Vince.

You got 1 year to make Smackdown a better show than Raw.

It already is.

guess r truth is going back to raw. make it all wrestling no talking and no pancakes.

Seriously. Being a 2 hour show helps a lot. Feels like a tighter, more effectively produced program.

Sounds like Fox wants NXT. Smackdown has the talent to be more sport oriented though.

Looks like writing a book about their lives is about to bite Ric and Charlotte Flair back really badly. Well mostly just Charlotte based on documents from their defamation lawsuit by Charlotte's ex-husband.

Supposedly there is police reports and video evidence of Charlotte saying racist stuff against black people.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3911...an-Shields-WWE

This is ridiculously adorable.

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Daniel Vidot has been on WWE's radar for quite a while.

I don't know why FOX would buy a Vince McMahon product if they did not want a Vince McMahon product.

Ugh! There was so much potential in Bayley to become the female version of what John Cena represented.

It's a complicated issue. Yeah, there was more potential there than they got out of her on the main roster, but she is neither the ring worker or promo that Cena is.

Cena wasn't a ring general during his initial reigns as WWE Champion. He was thrusted into the main event picture and he learned to thrive. While Bayley cannot be directly compared to him, she has a ton of potential. She had some of the best (WWE) matches of 2015 (along with Banks).

She did, but they were produced so heavily and had the safety net of being a pet project. They could have done a similar thing on the main roster, but to some extent, you have to put the blame at the foot of the talent too. She didn't really get herself into position to get the same courtesies Cena did.

That's not a convincing argument, Noid. Even if her matches were "heavily produced", it requires a certain amount of talent to pull them off. The focus has always been on either Charlotte, Alexa Bliss, or (now) Ronda Rousey. You can't put the blame on her and defend lazy storytelling. I am sure you've been following her program with Sasha Banks which never got a payoff.

Cena’s early work is underrated. I also don’t think he was thrust into the main event picture per se. I remember thinking quite a while before he even won his first US Title that he was the next megastar of the company. They actually took their time building him up by today’s standards. He was hot when he won the US title, it took him a year from there to win the secondary show’s world title and then another year before he “officially” cemented himself by beating Triple H at WrestleMania.

Bailey definitely should have been handled better on the main roster but her mic skills also would have held her back from “female Cena” level.

Cena had a relatively slow burn. He main evented a Smackdown pov against Brock after mania, had a run against Taker, turned face prior to survivor series, etc etc. They spent over 2 years building him into winning his first top title against JBL.

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Anyone want to make waffles that look like the WWE Championship?

https://uncannybrands.com/products/wwe-waffle-maker

There is a rumor making the rounds that Chris Jericho and Jim Ross are working on launching a new promotion, backed financially by Shad Khan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes are currently rumored to have agreed to be part of the company, and they are negotiating with AXS TV for a television deal.

Kenny Omega's status is apparently still up in the air, but I would imagine that if Cody and the Bucks are signing, the rest of their friend group will probably follow suit as they’ve pledged to stay together.

I’ll believe it when I see it, but Khan has billions and if he’s serious, this could be interesting.

"Sobriety Shaming"

That's a new one.


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That's just a stupid tweet. All three have talked about it and Hardy even had a WWE special this year that was heavily about it.

This is stupid. Bennett is fairly indistinguishable from most of the roster, so I can't say who he is without his wife being there, but kudos on him for cleaning up and staying clean. He has a kid to look after, and I wouldn't want him to not be there for his kid growing up.

Khan has just pulled out of buying Wembley Stadium so is obviously itching to spend some money.

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn

WWE has not said Saudi Arabia when discussing Crown Jewel in weeks. hmm

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If we're being 💯 honest, it is partially the fault of the writers, though.

So basically All In Wrestling

If I win the $1.6 billion mega millions on Tuesday I'll be a financial backer for it though. Couldn't go asbad as the last guy who won the lottery big and started a wrestling company (Wrestleliscious)

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WWE is on a roll with the amount of bad PR decisions they have made this year so far. Newest blunder is using the Warrior brand to support GLAAD while completely forgetting how much of a homophobe Warrior was in real life.

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WWE has pretty much become the equivalent of Sideshow Bob this year with the amount of PR goofs made.

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We all know he is with the other Warriors, climbing to the top of the temple of the Warriors, which is so high up, only the Warriors can breathe the air of that Altitude.

Fuck you're a condescending piece of shit. You start with a false assumption in that she could have been as good or effective in her role as John Cena, which is ludicrous, so of course you're not going to be convinced by reason.

It takes a certain amount of talent to pull it off. But that's not the same amount of talent as it takes to be the tippy-top worker that appeals to people at such a visceral level. Bayley got over in NXT in front of a certain type of fan because he was produced a certain way and got a great story laid out for her.

They absolutely could have and should have done a better job with Bayley. But that's not synonymous with saying that she had the skills as a worker, in and out of the ring, to cultivate the general WWE audience the same way she did in NXT. You absolutely can put part of the "blame" on her, and criticize lazy storytelling.

Which is pretty much what #1-wwf-fan said...

I hope this is true. If there were ever a chance for someone to start a new wrestling promotion, it is now. If it does air on AXS and it gets some attention, this could also be good for New Japan, who I hope work with them.

It would have been nice if there were serious money offers being made to a guys like Bryan Danielson and Nick Nemeth before they re-signed with WWE though. Ultimately, I don't believe it -- especially since AXS is denying it. It's such an odd rumor to just...create though. I hope there is smoke to the fire, or at the very least it gives them the idea now.

Just looking at the New Japan freelancers. If they made serious money offers to them, you'd have a core roster of:

* Beretta
* Chase Owens
* Chris Jericho
* Chuck Taylor
* Cody Rhodes
* Haku
* Hangman Page
* Kenny Omega
* Kota Ibushi
* Matt Jackson
* Minoru Suzuki
* Nick Jackson
* Sanada
* Shingo Takagi
* Tomoaki Honma
* Yoshinobu Kanemaru
* Zack Sabre, Jr.

Not bad for a starting point. Of course Brandi would go, and I'm sure Jericho would give agent spots to his friends in the business, like Don Callis and Lance Storm. I could see DDP being involved. He's probably got a lot of money he could potentially invest too. Jericho and Cornette get along, but I don't see them trying to get him to adapt to people's flavors.

The door would probably be open to guys leaving ROH and New Japan too. I can see Bully Ray and Shane Helms being given player/coach roles. You've instantly got a nice little roster going. I could see them working out something to do with Dragon Gate, bringing in PAC and emphasizing that style as its own division. If plans were in motion by January, then you could probably woo over Gallows & Anderson from WWE, for whatever that's worth.

They could probably poach from All Japan too. The current Triple Crown Champion is this dude named Zeus. He looks like a fucking beast.

They should poach Cormier from WWE and bring him in for an angle. "Cody and Cormier! Cody and Cormier!" Okay, maybe not.

For those with a Netflix account in the US, you only have till November 15th to watch or rewatch the first two seasons of Lucha Underground. After that Netflix is pulling those seasons from the service due to their expiring contract with LU.

https://twitter.com/luchablog/status...10192283959296

Every time I see a wrestler named "Zeus," I think of Tiny Lister.

And I can't help but think that the only reason why Zeus was the big bad instead of another character that was in the movie who was both more charismatic and a better worker, was because Vince couldn't pay Stan Hansen enough money for the post movie program for it to be worthwhile to him.

I don't recall Zeus being that good. Kind of shocked he's the triple crown champion. If you're gonna poach from AJPW, some names I would consider are Kento Miyahara, Yuji Hino, Suwama, Naoya Nomura, Yumi Aoyagi, Shuji Kondo, Shuji Ishikawa

I haven't heard any buzz about Zeus, so I kind of envision him as a dude that looks like a million bucks but probably doesn't wrestle that way. But Jesus Christ, does he look the part or what?

On the Jericho/Jim Ross/Jaguars rumors:

* Someone on another board was saying, and I don't know their credibility, mind you (they said wait for Meltzer and Johnson on it), that the rumors are "65% false" and "very premature."

* Jim Ross is apparently telling people that he will only be an announcer. His WWE deal expires shortly and he has negged on re-upping.

* Cody's apparently been talking about breaking down barriers and all this sort of stuff in 2019.

* Whatever exists of current plans is looking for a late-2019/early-2020 launch.

* Barry Bloom is said to be involved. He's JR's agent and is also still representing Bill Goldberg. He was taking meetings in Japan regarding it.

* Jim Ross has been sending feelers out to select WWE talent. Chris Jericho has been working the New Japan side.

* Tony Khan, son of Shahid, is said to be heavily involved and a big wrestling fan. He follows Omega, Cody, The Bucks and Marty Scurll on Twitter. Tony Khan is worth $4.5 million himself. Shahid is worth $6.9 billion. Vince McMahon is worth $3.2 billion.

* JR hinted on his podcast that he expects some big moves between now and the ROH/New Japan Madison Square Garden show, specifically in response to Omega and The Bucks, and suggested that his opinion is informed and not just baseless speculation. He's picked up "little bits from here, little bits from there."

* Promotion is said to be based in Las Vegas.

Usually news about new promotions leaves me underwhelmed, but having such a big backer in Khan and people with the reputation of a Jericho, Ross and Bloom involved makes me think that if anything has the chance to be a new "WCW," then it'll be something like this. The environment is the best it's ever been.

:wave:

Toni Storm DISQUALIFIED from fandom. This stuff is so stupid.

As opposed to getting on AXS, if the Jericho/JR deal has smoke to it, I hope they really try and get onto a more prominent cable network. A TBS, TNT or Paramount would obviously be the best thing for them. With Paramount you can lean on promotional possibilities with Bellator, but they might still be a bit on edge about wrestling after dealing with TNA.

I doubt TBS or TNT really want to work with wrestling again either after their nightmares, but maybe having a backer like Khan can give them some serious edge. A return of wrestling to TBS could be a "homecoming" sort of thing that they might really go for. MTV might be hungry for something. They lose 29% of viewers each year, so having something that they can try and plug the hole with might be give negotiations some oomph.

The average show WWE puts on costs $885,000. Now this ignores start-up costs, but that's $46 million a year for one show every week. Vince gets about $100 million a year per hour of television. But to cover that overhead, not including what you'd make off merchandise, gate revenue, streams, etc. -- you could cover your production costs with $50 million per hour. They'd probably be looking to do two hours per week, so if they can lock themselves in for $100 million in rights fees for a year, essentially half of what Vince is asking for, they could price him right back down come next negotiations.

God damn, the whole industry would change. Vince is counting on that sweet, sweet television money, but if Khan's hypothetical group simply wanted to run healthy, they could burst the bubble on Vince. Talent would no doubt be cut and eventually Vince would start trying, but what can he really do if, say, USA Network drops him and picks up Khan's group in a few years?

They could also treat talent in a way that gives them more benefits, etc. They could really edge some structural changes that challenge the way WWE does business. And once they've got the Khans as backers, a network is going to put that money in so they might be sitting pretty wealthy pretty quickly.

Given WWE's history with NBCUniversal, I have my doubts USA Network will be willing to drop RAW anytime soon.

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I love these exaggerated Kevin Dunn edits

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Maybe not right now, but it would entirely depend on whether or not they were edged out of financial position. Right now Vince can kind of price himself, what with their being no alternative. But they have to subconsciously, maybe even consciously, hate being under Vince's thumb. If some billionaire comes along with a profitable company that charges half-price for content, they'd drop Vince in a heartbeat. Especially if the alternative comes with the backing of a reputable business entity. Compound that with possible backlash due to WWE generally being scummy pieces of shit (hypocrisy, the Saudi situation, etc.) -- there's no way Vince gets offered a higher rights fee when that 3-year (I think it's 3 years with NBC Universal) deal comes up.

Obviously the story is still developing and it might even be complete bullshit -- AXS have no reason to deny the story if there's anything going on their end -- but a big-time promotion with a more humble asking price for television rights is something that would completely change the game on Vince. It would be devastating to Vince's bottom-line right now given how crucial these TV deals are to their profitability.

And it would incure his wrath. Jim Ross and Chris Jericho, if they are as involved as speculated, would have to be very content to never work again if they "betrayed" Vince this way (as I imagine he would see it, and we all know how petty he gets during a wrestling "war"). It would honestly probably be the safer promotional tactic for them/Khan to ask a higher price of TV stations -- or something closer to $80 million in rights fees per hour -- because then they're not pricing out Vince and rather benefiting, mutually, from the environment Vince has created. They can all make money -- yay. The actual transgression would be changing the asking price for content so Vince needs to adapt to them, and given the size and scope of WWE, would be mean they'd need to do some serious restructuring and downsizing.

Another completely awful move they could pull (well, brilliant, if you look at it from their "underdog" perspective), would be to treat talent as if they aren't independent contractors. If you give them benefits, etc., you completely change the way contracts are structured. When deals come up, you better believe talent are making sure Vince gives them the same sort of deal or they jump ship, or that shit finds its way out into the media and Vince and WWE are tyrants who don't treat their employees with as much respect as the babyfaces in the Khan camp.

Honestly, given the position WWE are in, it's actually a wonderful time to take the fight to giant Vince. The television landscape is in a curious place, and the money that is just there for the taking given what TV needs and what WWE is locked into means you can shift around and play things very sneakily. More and more people seem to compare WWE to later stage WCW, and that comparison is very scary, because as soon as something "hotter" and more youthful comes along, they're going to start feeling the pressures from their financial commitments. I don't think they can adapt to changes in the form. They've got five hours of network television a week they are committed to producing. Compare that to a more focused, say, two and it's night and day.

WWE once had demand for five hours of television a week. Well, not really, but they did for four. They used to have a product that demanded hours, and now they have hours that need a product. They're somewhat stuck with that model. They are far more vulnerable than people give them credit for. That's why pyro hasn't made a comeback with their fat Saudi checks. They're the most profitable they have ever been, for now -- but the housing market doesn't always keep going up. They are one major shift away from hemorrhaging all that pretty money. What happens if they have to take a hit from making $500 million a year on television money to only making $325 million a year off their television? It doesn't seem like much of a hit, because that's still a shit-ton of money, but what happens to their stock price? What comes out of the next negotiations if their ratings, for example, can't compete with a new promotion that can hold viewers because they aren't smashing five hours of content a week over people's heads, and is more compelling? What if they don't need to roll around in rights fee money because they are fine making a tiny margin of profit off that and are fine making the rest back on attendance and advertising, or other things WWE can't depend on, exactly, and they can't snap their fingers and fix?

Honestly, I've wanted someone to take the fight to WWE for so long, and I've never bought into the position that "no one can touch Vince now." Bullshit. All someone needs is enough money to get something off the ground and for it to be on television and it's a perfectly viable competitor. New companies pop up in entertainment fields all the time. There are changes in tastes and companies lose flavor, favor and consumers can dictate the market in a lot of cases. A good product with a good time slot on a good network can really slice into what Vince currently controls, and I'm not sure they can just "get good" anymore when it's such a stale product and they are so entrenched in bad habits. But if it does make wrestling good -- cool. WWE would benefit from those changes, and it's possible a rival promotion would too. Ultimately, the fans benefit.

Ah, fuck, I'm pipe-dreaming.

Jesus dude no one is gonna read any of these giant posts about some supposed promotion that's not really gonna happen.

He's just getting his expectations up so if it does happen it'll be a huge disappointment to him and he wont have to like it.

That post was actually insane. Mind you Noid's an obsessive compulsive (self admitted) so I understand. But he's also an asshole so fuck him.

Lol Jesus Christ. Some money mark is not going to put a dent in the WWE.

Dixie tried.

Dixie is not worth 1% of what Khan is. That perception is a distinguishing difference when you are, say, negotiating television or getting advertisers.

It probably won't even happen, lol. I'm obviously getting ahead of myself. It's such an interesting business (well, not as far as on-air stuff goes) because of the Vince bluff that he's the only guy that can do wrestling. Someone needs to come along with something, because wrestling has been dying since WCW went under.

For 600 million British pounds. $785,000,000 USD. The WrestleMania 33 set cost $5 million. The dude was just looking to buy 157 WrestleMania sets. Which he could do 9 times over.

That's obviously not the same as having a WrestleMania or being able to draw people to it, but Jesus, if the dude wants his own wrestling promotion he can start his own wrestling promotion. The big question is whether or not anyone would want one.

Recently, with the news that ROH were going into Madison Square Garden and the online jokes that Vince did not want to take on Sinclair Broadcasting or their lawyers should they genuinely get ruffled about things -- Khan is worth more than all of Sinclair Broadcasting's assets put together. By $1 billion. This dude's sneezes are worth more than TNA. I'm just pointing out that rich people exist, really. A lot of them don't own sports teams (some of them do), or have a millionaire son who is the "owner and chairman of TruMedia Networks, a Boston-based engineering firm specializing in innovative sports analytics solutions for leagues, franchises, and media partners across the athletic industry" and a fan of wrestling.

If I remember, its not really until the Billy & Chuck relationship storyline that WWE managed to get a gay rights sponsor on board with them. Also why they took a lot of heat with GLAAD for the fake marriage gag and making Rico into a gay villain for the storyline.

Same for why Cena suddenly stopped using gay insults towards his opponents for promos a couple years later since GLAAD and maybe others threatened to pull their sponsorship deals.

Seems Zach Ryder might be starting to branch away from the WWE. Recently changed his Youtube channel name to be under his real name and is also starting a new podcast show soon with Curt Hawkins (also under his real name).

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:drool:

Why did they give her Sasha Banks color hair anyways?

I really can’t stand Carmella as a performer, but she does look phenomenal there.

Oh, I wasn't really looking at her face.

Cool King should have his own thread for the raw reviews I enjoy reading them each week.

I remember it coming off really bad. Billy & Chuck were like "Whoa, whoa, whoa -- we're not GAY!" to a massive babyface pop. And it drew attention to what a giant stereotype Rico was, so when they make the stereotype disdained, that's kind of a two-fer. Wrestling has never represented gay well, haha. It's not that GLAAD were saying that gay people can't be bad. They were just pointing out that this was another case of wrestling doing it bad.

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Never realised Austin also did a sit out tombstone and injured another wrestler.

Rico was fucking awesome

Rico's legal name is Americo Sebastiano Costantino

wonder if he's Italian

The wonders of a truckload of make up, fake tan and photoshop.

I think she normally looks way better than that pic personally

I don't. Her face irritates me. (SIMILAR TO YR FACE LOCKJAW)

She has the same horse face that Sasha has after the cartoonish amount of makeup they throw on her.

It’s a lot of fun to go through them, Cool King. Document them properly. Maybe you’ll want to go through them at a later time.

Yeah Rico was always more of a flamboyant type character but it was just WWE's poor handling of the wedding swerve that caught them a lot of heat with GLAAD. Like it came off as Billy and Chuck were only pretending to be gay for some cheap laughs, Rco exposing himself as being gay in the process since he wasn't in on the gag, and Rico trying to force them to marry as some sort of evil gay punishment.

Forgot if they told GLAAD of plans to make them into a positive role model for LGBTs or GLAAD just assumed that was going to happen and instead got played for fools by the WWE.

Apparently there is a rumor going around the net that the Bellas were mad backstage about Ronda's promo last week. Similar to the AJ Lee Pipe Bomb promo, they felt Ronda went a bit too far in her insults towards them.

Also according to the Observer, Ronda's promo also had her real feelings towards the Bellas and others who use their looks to become successful.

Cody seems to be teasing moving into a new role in wrestling. He gave a thank you to the NWA and suggested that he continues his "remaining dates" with ROH. Given their working relationship with New Japan, I doubt he'd have "remaining dates" if he was sticking with New Japan either.

A lot of people are speculating WWE, but it lends more smokes to the rumors of that Jericho/JR promotion, since I just can't see Cody wanting to go back to WWE.

Also, all the "notes from -H" on BTE, including a certain suit that was left in Cody's bag... it's never the obvious.

It took me ages to work out what you meant by BTE. I thought you meant that Cody was on BET.

BET should do a wrestling show

I think Dean/Seth and Braun/Drew will feud for months.

Could easily then switch partners out and voila, WM35 feuds:

Drew/Seth - Universal Title
Dean/Braun - the reverse Brock/Dean w/ heel Ambrose
Batista/HHH

Top WM35 bouts right there

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Was reading about secondary leukemia...Seems survivability is 36%.

The median survival rate...7 months

I obviously know jack about Romans specific case...
But from what I’m reading...he has a tough mountain to climb.

:(