Yikes at NXT Males 12-34 being .02

That seems 'too low' to me, like something was off in factoring it. I'd be shocked if that really is .02.

If it is, aye carumba

Welp. Good run, NXT!

Terrible rating for NXT. Terrible rating for Wednesday night, really. Total number of people dropping, not growing. NXT can always bolster itself up. AEW can only do so much. 800k people seeing that program on Wednesday might not have been a good thing.

The goodwill to AEW will continue to erode over time. NXT will probably just keep chugging along putting out the more consistent product. If they need to bolster it, they will. AEW is likely not getting a big name. Vickie Guerrero ain't going to cut it.

Cool that AEW went up though, right? Cage vs Moxley being a serious main event probably helped!

yeah i figured the nascar allstar race would take people away

now that aew has won, i like this thread again.

It’s a war that harkens back to the good old days. And AEW seems to be winning. Will it last? WHO KNOWS?

I only care to the point that AEW stays on tv because I mostly enjoy it and I wanna see what they can do. I certainly wouldn't want them to die out after a year on tv. That'd suck balls.

It’s not likely to last. It’s hardcore fan goodwill/pity with the final fumes of fans trying to give a shit about something. It’s not making any new fans and drives people away at about the same rate as WWE. Because it’s as bad as WWE. Jericho got slimed this week.

The ultimate loser is wrestling. There isn’t more interest being generated, and what is left is just being split further and further. AEW is likely to add another show. Vince is going to keep on making his billions in revenue. Nothing is going to change.

1.893 million this week for SD, to once again top the chart in wrestling


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Here's how the big 4 shows did this week in live viewers


SD - 1.893 million
RAW - 1.561 million
AEW- 788k
NXT - 631k

Sometimes I wonder if FOX realizes that Vince carnied them big-time. So many of the people who were all over promo material for SD on FOX aren't on the show. Ronda, Brock, Becky, Rey Mysterio, Undertaker, Cena, Charlotte were all over advertising for the show. I remember all the news sites talking about how Ronda and Brock were a big part of the selling point of SD to FOX.

The only people I think who are on SD now that were part of the promo push in commercials are Kofi and DBry.

Haha, I used to make a big deal about that. The WWE can send talent over to that show any time they want. If FOX wanted Rey Mysterio, Brock Lesnar or Charlotte (the only active talent in that promotional material you listed) on the show, they could have them. I doubt FOX really knows who any of the talent actually is. It's also possible that the WWE put those advertising packets together themselves. Yeah, it's fucking silly of them to promote people that aren't going to be on the show, but the whole thing with them is promoting the brand. You get WWE -- which includes stars like, yadda, yadda, yadda.

FOX knows what they got when they signed a deal to air Vince McMahon programming on their network. It's crazy to me that people think FOX must be sitting there, spitting in a rage while TNT is over the moon ecstatic with AEW and their shitty programming.

Tied for #1 in the demos again, I see. Funny how that doesn't come up when it's not Wednesday. I fucking hate defending WWE, but some of the fan perspectives on them is, frankly, markish.

If FOX was like "Hey Vince, we're going to cancel ya," Brock Lesnar and Rey Mysterio would be on there tomorrow, not that I'm sure the person making that call has any idea who they are.

WWE RAW went up 67k viewers this week

1.628 million viewers

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Orton vs Show did a 0.42 18-49 in Q3. That is staggeringly bad when put into perspective. Worst quarter performance in 27+ year history of the show for a bout promoted for weeks.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1285670132732301313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"That is historically bad!"

"Also, more than AEW gets, but YAY AEW DEMO KINGS!"

And this is why I laugh when this dude acts like he is a serious journalist.

If I was USA Network and were paying 44 million a year for NXT and 230 million a year for RAW and it was doing just barely double what NXT does, I'd be thinking about seeing if I could re-negotiate out of my current deal to pay a better price for RAW

The next two weeks are going to be really bad for RAW, AEW, NXT and SD.

MLB, NBA, etc are going to do a number on all wrestling ratings across the board

I think they are paying WWE about the same amount now that they were paying last year for Raw and Smackdown. Not a complete apples to apples comparison, but they are still getting 5 hours of WWE produced television for roughly the same amount of money.

I for one am shocked that people don't want to see Big Show wrestling in 2020.

I'm sure they aren't cursing the name of WWE, but if you think USA or Fox are happy with those ratings, you're probably a dumb twat.

(re: Noid and XRod)

Never said they were happy with the ratings, nice try though.

That double is so much more exposure. I hear a bunch of AEW drones talk about how TNT is paying chips for Dynamite and it reaches 700k people. It's a much, much, much wider net to cast with 1.6 million or whatever.

If the WWE got good somehow, and every fan told three people about how good WWE is and just 10% of them were converted, that is an additional 480k fans. If AEW did the same thing, you still wouldn't get over the 1 million mark.

When you get to that much exposure, it's just unparalleled, which is what you're paying for if you are an advertiser. People keep the same ratio when you're talking about a show with the audience of a Dynamite versus one wit the scope of Raw's.

And 0.41 is basically twice what AEW does most weeks, so there's fucking that.

I like Dave Meltzer for his passion and knowledge. But this "MUH DEMOS" shit has soured me so much on him. Sure, ratings are important to wrestling, but Jesus Christ, talk about taking the fun out of literally everything.

We have two companies fighting for the smallest piece of the pie imaginable, getting fucking hideously bad ratings. It's not even worth this thread, no matter how many 18-49-year-olds watch AEW or NXT.

In AEW's defense, they don't have generations of brand recognition to bolster them. WWE has every fucking advantage...such as amazing advertisers and the fact that they've been the only game in town for 2 decades. And their ratings are still the drizzling shits.

Seriously, as bad as AEW's ratings are, they just need a BIT of traction (lord knows they won't get it) and they'll be threatening RAW. It's fucking pathetic.

Good jump for AEW this week

AEW - 845k
NXT - 615k


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Add both together and they are only 168k away from RAW

William Regal's tried and true formula of announcing a tournament didn't bring in big numbers??? Shocker!

Baseball is really going to hurt ratings for both sides going forward

basketball too

Yeah, I have a feeling real sports is about to crater RAW, SD, Dynamite and NXT

I honestly don't know. We kind of all assumed wrestling was gonna capitalize on being the only live thing going, but the no crowd absolutely killed the non hardcore audience's interest.

I am wondering if sports are going to suffer the same fate.

Baseball isn't too dependant on the crowd, but basketball will be weird as hell all quiet hearing the shoes squeaking.

I don't think sports will have much of an issue. Baseball's built in audience is larger than wrestling, and fans have been thirsty for games. Tonight's Yankees v Nationals and Dodgers v Giants games should be a decent indicator of what we can expect.

I think pro sports is gonna crush wrestling. Especially the mid week shows.

Even though personally I find basketball much more entertaining, baseball won't be too odd without fans the way basketball will be.

Maybe they can pump in fan noise for the basketball games.

That's really sad, haha.

"GUYS OH MUH GAWD DYNAMITE HAD OVER 1 MILLION VIEWERS FOR 5 WHOLE MINUTES, SUCH A HUGE NUMBER!" ~ Dave Meltzer

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> was over a million total viewers for the final 5 minutes of the <a href="https://twitter.com/youngbucks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@youngbucks</a> v. Butcher &amp; Blade Falls Count Anywhere match, from 8:55pm ET to 9pm ET with 1,018,000 viewers total and 502,000 in the key 18-49 year old demographic! Thank you to everyone who watched!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1286768978619179009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"YAY THANK YOU ALL FOR WATCHING OUR SHOW FOR FIVE MINUTES, WE ARE THE BEST!" ~ Tony Khan

Lol So angry

Do we know which episode of Guy’s Grocery Games was on? It’s still good but the energy seems different since Carl the Cuban died.