If Zach Snyder makes a better film than Christopher Nolan (not just talking about the Dark Knight Series VS the new Superman movie, but EVER in their entire careers), then I will eat my hat.

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The belt really should be yellow.

The invincible guy still shouldn't be wearing armor.

Also, maybe I'm wrong, but the numbered robots there might be a throwback to the old Max Fleischer Superman cartoon "The Mechanical Monsters." Which, I'll admit, is a nice little shout-out if that's what they're doing.

Still doesn't make me want to buy it, though.

JLA #1 hasn't even come out and it's already the best sold book of 2011. Apparently over 100,000 pre-orders have been made. Tons of pre-orders have also been made for other series. Interesting. Still not buying shit tho. Pissed about this crap.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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No trunks on the outside. Movie instantly loses points.

I'm pretty devastated, lads.

I always dreamed of a Superman without underwear and now that it has happened..it looks awful. Maybe there will be CGI trunks? :shifty:

Yeah I figured they would tie in the DCnU design. I'm fine with it.

Belt should still be yellow, though.

By the way, I fucking hate it.

Guaranteed it will look better on film than it does in those shitty candid set shots. I get that. But that's not the point. Superman's outfit is ICONIC. I thought it was bad enough that Singer shrunk his symbol down and put gay little "S" marks all over him, but what Snyder's doing might be worse. There's no reason to nix the red underwear look. It's a trademark in his outfit and he looks WRONG without them.

This, of course, is purely my opinion.

And, of course.... it is the RIGHT opinion.

By the way, seeing Charlie Brown reminds me, some comic book company is gonna start making new Peanuts comics.

I've been waiting for Clark to lose the trunks for years, I just really think a yellow belt would round out his color set. I learned at a Superman portion of a local museum that primary colors made Superman distinct, now he's like this blue/red thing. He needs a yellow belt.

I think the movie one does have the yellow belt. At least, it looked kinda gold/yellow in the official picture.

But, yeah, he should have trunks and never ever should lose them.

Well at the very least, he looks damn imposing even from a blurry far shot. That's a Superman right there, not like Routh's 'cover boy' Superman (I still miss him, though).

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This is just a bad costume. The top half is great but the bottom is just trash.

Top half is also crap.

I like the new Superman and Supergirl look. I don't think the trunks are always necessary just like the yellow oval in the Batman symbol isn't always needed. I do however prefer Supergirl with a mini skirt, it looks cool.

New Supergirl's top half is nice, hints at an overall regal look. Then it gets glaringly slutty for no reason.

The trunks SHOULD be necessary. They really tied the costume together.

I don't have a problem with the armored look. To me, it's less about the fact that he's invincible and more about the fact that his costume was built to withstand punishment and not get destroyed every time he gets shot/stabbed/etc.



Back on subject of the set pictures, I think the guy in black on the right is probably Zod.

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But who is the character on the left? Or is the character on the right Ursa (looks a bit more feminine), and Zod is on the left wearing some crazy outfit?

It is Faora in the picture.

Whoever the other dude is, he may be crazy tall, because he has a stick extending from the top of his head for an eyeline. Perhaps they decided to randomly have Non be a CGI super big guy.

Costume does look pretty weird without the trunks. Either way I'm still feeling pretty pesimistic about this movie. I'm sure it'll make shit-loads of cash due to cinema-goers checking it out, but I really don't think maybe people outside of actual Superman fans giving a shit about Superman anymore. The whole 'invincible guy' thing just doesn't work anymore. It's why people love characters like Spider-Man and Batman, because they're not invincible and have flaws. Or why Hancock (which was an okay film) was an interesting character because he was invincible but an alcoholic.

Plus I've said this many times, but I don't want to see Superman facing Lex Luthor or human-in-appearance enemies anymore. It's 2011, give me Doomsday, Darkseid, Lobo or someone who will look badass on the screen, and will look like they can actually fuck shit up.

I'll reserve proper judgment until I see the movie, but these are my opinions now, before anything has even been released.

Plus I've just noticed, considering he's one of the most famous super heroes of all time, Superman has a fucking awful rogues gallery. I really struggled to think of Darkseid (though I love Doomsday), and Lobo is hardly a 'villain'. I mean, apart from Lex Luthor, who else is there that people outside of the DC fanbase would know?

MISTERRRRRRRRRRRR MXYZPTLK!!!

Or, maybe next movie Superman has an epic battle with... THE PRANKSTER.

The old costume didn't get ripped up all the time either. There's no need to turn it into redundant armor plating that's got to be significantly weaker than the guy wearing it.

And I absolutely fucking haaaate the no-trunks look. Without them to break up the monotony, my eye is drawn away from the \S/ and towards that big blue space in the middle of his torso. It's distracting, and frankly bland.

More to the point, it's completely fucking unnecessary. Like Fox said, the Superman costume is absolutely iconic. It's ingrained in the popular consciousness, and is a timeless look. So what if the trunks are outdated and old-school? Superman IS an old-school hero--hell, he's THE old-school hero! Superman stood on the ruins of the pulp era, lashed together the corpses of Doc Savage and the Phantom, and built the fucking old school! DC and WB should be proud of the fact that they've got the progenitor and the gold-standard of all superhero mythology, instead of acting ashamed of it and trying to shit all over 73 years of legacy by dressing him up in shitty fan-art designs to make him look more 'modern.' You don't fuck with a timeless look in order to catch up with temporary trends. That's what I can't stand about the DCnU look, and it's what I can't stand about Snyderman.

I won't even go into all the things that suck about Supergirl's new costume.

I always think DC in general (Batman aside) has a far less well known rogues gallery, but Superman just seems to have a really poor one given his status in the DC Universe.

Bizarro is the only other one I'd call relatively well known.

Lex fucking Luthor. End of discussion.

The last time I read a DC comic, I think Lex Luthor was the President or some nonsense. Is this still the case?

Also, personally LL bores the shit out of me.

Yeah..I totally stand with Rammsteinmad with this issue.
Part of the reason why I always run away from DC comics is that the villains just don't appeal to me. With the exception of the Batman rogues and a few here and there..it is pretty awful.
LL is boring to me. If they are going to bring him in, at least add something new. Lets see the Luthor warsuit or something. Part of the reason of Superman's boredom is the lack of villains as pointed before. Hearing James Robinson speak at a convention once..he mentioned how hard it is to write for Superman. Just..to come up with credible threats for a man that is pretty much flawless is tough on writers.

My greatest hope is that after this reboot of the Superman franchise that we will actually get to see Superman vs Doomsday on the big screen. It HAS to happen. It's the most iconic big-time fight in DC history - the one where Superman is actually killed and reborn - it's the fucking Jesus Christ story of superheroes, and the film industry has the technology to do it right and give us a 30-minute long action packed super fight that will be incredible.

But that's banking on the idea that TMOS won't bomb.

Doomsday is not a villain. He's a walking plot device. You can't carry a whole movie on a single fight scene, and that's the only thing that Doomsday has to offer. Fuck Doomsday, he sucks.

If you have to have the big meaty villain because Superman needs to punch someone, go with Darkseid, or Mongul, or even Metallo (my personal hope for the next Supes villain is Brainiac). At least they have actual personalities and backstories and aren't just half-assed ripoffs of the Hulk.


Luthor was deposed around 2004 after finally being outed as a supervillain. The whole 'President Lex' thing was little more than the DC writers taking a big pot-shot at Dubya.

Luthor can be one hell of a villain when they play to his strengths (the fact that he's the smartest person ever and can whip up technology so advanced that it might as well be magic, the fact that he's a megalomaniac with a god complex who believes it's his duty to 'save' humanity from Superman, etc). If they went to the next level with it and essentially turned him into an evil version of Doctor Who, I think he'd still be a villain worthy of being Superman's arch-nemesis. Instead, he usually just gets written as a poor man's Norman Osborn or Kingpin.

Doesn't really matter if Doomsday isn't a 'villain', since they can make exceptions for a movie.

As for Luthor, the problem is (for me anyway), despite being über smart etc, he's just a regular human being. How the fuck am I supposed to accept that Superman can beat Doomsday, Darkseid, Metallo and all these other fucking monsters, yet time and time again he gets one-upped by a fucking human being?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nothing will interest me in a Superman movie now, unless we see him take on some fucking monstrous creature such as DD or DS.

Planning.

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Nowhere Man is going to get pissed after seeing that.

Eh, not really. That was quite a good fight-- Batman played on Superman's boy-scout morality to resist Poison Ivy's mind-control (notice all the leaves around Supes' neck), knowing Clark pull his punches enough for Bruce to survive, and then by having Catwoman throw Lois off of the Daily Planet building, forcing Superman to break out of Ivy's control in order to save her and ending the fight.

Goes to show that with the right plan and enough brains, you can take on a Kryptonian pretty easily (In fact, Superman gets his ass kicked an awful lot in the comics, basically to appease non-fans who just bitch and moan about the fact that he's 'too powerful' and 'nothing bad ever happens to him.').

And Batman's got an even more strict no-killing code than Superman. Take someone like Luthor, who's got no problem butchering thousands of people to get what he wants and is even smarter than Batman, and put him in a similar situation, and you've got a real genuine threat. That's how you pit human villains like Luthor; you play on his moral limitations, put him in situations where being able to fly really fast and pick up heavy things don't do him any good, use Lex's massive resources and influence to turn the world against Supes. You don't just have him challenge him to a fist-fight.

That's what I really can't stand about the argument that people just want to see a villain that can punch Superman. Would The Dark Knight have been any better if the Joker was also a ninja who could hang with Batman in a kung-fu fight? A proper villain needs to challenge the hero on a mental and philosophical level, not just a physical one. It's a lot more satisfying to see a grand master-plan unfold or see the villain twist the hero's beliefs against him, not just have them roar and throw punches really hard.

Switching gears to lighter note.

I finally saw Watchmen on TNT last week. I have to say despite what many people said on here at the time...



They needed that part in the movie. Overall it was a good movie, and they did have many important scenes from the book in the movie. The fight scenes were very well done to.

That's all well-and-good, but Luthor has already made five, possibly six movie appearances. I want me some Doomsday! :foc:

Doomsday would only work as somebody's muscle. Perhaps refashioned as a Lexcorp experiment, Brainiac's pet, or even Darksied's minion, but he will never headline as the main villain. He was simply a gimmick, even if Death of Superman was a historic thing.

Doesn't matter. I just wanna see a non-human looking villain.

Besides, it doesn't really matter what Doomsday was... the movie has to cater to cinema-non-fans as much as comic fans. They could easily alter him to fit into the movie.