If the first match didn't have outside interference, what would the cage have been used for?

Just put it on...

Ref opening the door for Lashley for him to walk out... maybe the dumbest rule in WWE, being able to win by going out of the door in a cage match

Forgot about McIntyre...

That football game tonight was a letdown. Thought Philly would have put up more of a fight.

Also, some dude that was in a coma since like January just woke up, and doesnt even know that WWE randomly broke up the Hurt Business, buried Cedric and Shelton for 9 months, then just had them randomly go back :rofl:

Damn Seph, just seeing this now, glad she is ok!

Hope Shelton and Cedric remember they don't like each other so they keep trying to 1 up each other to gain Lashley's favor. They keep doing this until MVP comes back and kicks them out of the group again.

This chick work at a denny's or waffle house ?

Wally world

Goldberg and Lesnar both heavily featured again. And in the same storyline no less.

Goldberg vs. Lashley with the Hurt Business. Lesnar vs. Reigns with the Bloodline or whatever they're called.

Yawn...

I still love Goldberg and Lesnar. It’s nice to have men in the house. But the reaction of the hardcore fans does poison what they could do and how they are perceived.

I think Brock and Roman is fine. Goldberg and Lashley has got a certain appeal after the improvements Lashley has made. But let’s say the Saudi oppressors want a Jewish guy to win at Crown Jewel because of PR reasons. I don’t even think it helps Goldberg.

I’d rather see Goldberg in lower profile stuff more often than him losing WWE Title matches to try and get another guy over. What’s wrong with him Spearing Elias on a B PPV? That would be fine and dandy.

They find their patterns with these guys and some fans either genuinely don’t like it or resist it on the basis that they think they can predict it. I hope they break that with them. I’ve got a feeling that Brock is going to eventually do more as he approaches the end of this big money run. I think he’ll be champion to put over Gable Steveson, and if that’s Brock’s farewell (at least as one of two of the most important wrestlers in the company), I hope he does a few TV matches to bring that up a little bit before doing the honors.

As a "former" regular viewer of WWE - I can say that personally Goldberg brings nothing to draw me back in. I dunno if it is because I used to be a "hardcore" fan and know what's what with him, but yeah..... nothing. It'll be the same song and dance, unfortunately.


That, I believe was the main reason I stopped weekly watching. It definitely was too predictable, then you added the terribad camera work on top of it and it made it way less attractive to consume.


I would love to see some new blood get elevated, like Elias for example. He has a great look with an easily marketable gimmick.... give the dude some tv time.

Wait, so Seth Rollins is just The Miz now?




edit: OOH! And he got to say the s-word for poopy!!!!!






ruh-roh guys.....

Lol I heard WWE has decided to say “shit” occasionally now. Apparently Steiner’s kid forced one in on NXT too? Lovely.

But it's DEFINITELY not because of any other wrestling promotion with national exposure doing it too, right?

Forcing the word “shit” into promos to be edgy is the bee’s knees nowadays. All the kids are doing it. Smart of Vince to jump on the trend.

The forced swearing is one of the worst things about wrestling. I’ve noticed it before when it’s cropped up in promos, but it sounds so juvenile. Not even a talker like Jericho can smooth it over. Feels like a naughty kid on the playground looking around to make sure no one is listening before saying “...shit!”

Just talk like an adult that has some sort of on-air experience and doesn’t need to resort to naughty language to try and pass themselves off as cool. You will actually look edgier than the dorks who fall back on it.

There are also still a lot of religious families in the US, or just the types of people who don’t like swearing, especially if it’s awkward and insecure. I know that growing up, my mother wouldn’t be too keen on me watching a show where dudes said “shit” every two seconds. It just makes it a harder slog, and that cannot be good for relationships with the advertisers and sponsors.

It’s just unnecessary. Stop it.

It’s only been like a year since they had a man running around the ring to choo choo train sound effects. You can’t be “edgy” adult entertainment and try to appeal directly to grade-schoolers at the same time. They gotta work on this identity crisis.

Kevin Dunn still being there at all is weird. With so many plainly stupid things, you’d think Vince, even if he likes them all in conception, for whatever reason, would have eventually defenestrated him for something over the years.

Remember when The Usos would say “locked down” and then a cage would slide onto the screen? How that goes onto SmackDown and Vince then doesn’t feel like an idiot because Kevin Dunn let him do it? I just can’t make sense of that.

I remember that Usos video. It was bush league. My TPWW classic wrestling watch-along pre-show effects are miles better.

1.86 million viewers for this show. 1.93 million for the first two hours.

I WISH! I think we fell short of our record though. We may have hit 8. Not sure where you got those numbers from.

Oh man I forgot about the train sounds lol

The cartoon CGI graphics they use in entrances look lame as fuck too. Show the tron if you want but you don’t need anything else.

Actually come to think, wrestlers haven’t had live action trons in ages.

Orton’s has just said IN MY VEINS for like 7 years

How can you not love watching a flock of rainbow colored birds fly out of Matt Riddles butt whenever he jumps into the air to kick his flippy floppys into the crowd?

It looks like horrible CGI from the early 00's or whenever that took off. I always end up thinking about the cartoon called "reboot".


It is not good.

Hey, ReBoot was great

Some of them don’t look too bad in that live sports kind of way. When they’re just a logo or something. It doesn’t lend itself to movement.

Pretty sure Reboot was early 90’s.

WWE is too overproduced. Not enough grit for a product based around violence.

Reboot was great, and it was in the 90s for sure. Point being, 2021 CGI shouldn't look like shitty CGI from the 90s, especially when you have the money.

So Raw was on last night…

2 huge tag matches, one set up at the opening of the show, one advertised heavily throughout the show, both featuring rivals teaming together, both ending in non-finishes when the rivals started fighting each other.

Very creative.

These tournaments are also trash.

SmackDown’s side of the Women’s bracket features 2 Raw talents (and both heels), Raw’s side features 1 SD talent too. For the mens, again, the Raw side features 2 SD bound talents, though the entire field was made up of SD talent to begin with. They’ve set up a semi-final on SmackDown that one of the guys can’t win because he’s not allowed in the country to compete in the final - which would be an interesting wrinkle in Zayn’s conspiracy victim gimmick if not for the fact that WWE can’t possibly reference it. Just a mess.

oh damn, no posts in the raw thread either

Lol the total match time for the entire first round of the women’s tournament was 8 minutes and 12 seconds.

On the SmackDown portion of the tourney, Roman’s entrance was longer than both women’s matches combined

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Regal's the best

That's right Jaw of Lockington - he is better than Christian.

Hard to compete with a real man's man like that