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Evil Vito 11-02-2015 04:31 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Look - I even said on here after they won the division (something I never saw as a realistic option in Spring Training, much less in June when they had John goddamn Mayberry Jr batting cleanup) that anything they did in the playoffs was gravy. I felt that way even moreso after the thrilling NLDS win, and felt it even more after the NLCS.

I knew the Royals would be fucking hard to beat, and they'd need to play crisp, mistake-free baseball to do so. I went into the World Series knowing it would suck to come close and lose but, at the end of the day, there'd be no shame in losing to this Royals team.

But to lose in THAT fashion? They were 2 outs away from winning Game 1 and Familia threw his worst pitch of the postseason. 5 outs away from winning Game 4 and Murphy decided to pull a Murph. 1 out away from winning Game 5 and Duda literally threw it away.

8 fucking outs is all that separated the Mets from a title. The Royals absolutely deserve to be champions for managing to stage a comeback. But knowing the Mets completely melted down in the late innings in 3 of their losses is a bitter pill to swallow, especially since 4 and 5 were completely preventable if they had even league average defenders. Moreover, as someone who has dealt with "LOLMETS!" comments since 2007, it really sucked that the team had to lose in that fashion and give people a chance to crap on them even after going through all of that to repair their image.

Even if I was viewing the WS as house money, the reality is pennants are never a sure thing. I believe this team will contend for a playoff spot for the next few years but even if they make it, the playoffs are a crapshoot. How many times has the prohibitive playoff favorite been knocked out in the division series round? Getting to the fall classic is hard.

If the Mets don't get back to that point while they have this pitching staff intact, it's completely fair for Mets fans to point to 2015 as "the one that got away"...maybe even moreso than 2006.</font>

Damian Rey 11-02-2015 04:57 PM

Harvey has a well documented history of becoming mortal after the 100 pitch mark. It's not just a random occurrence. It's happened enough times, including this year, to be able to say he's done at 100.

Like I said, maybe the Royals win anyway but at least it wouldn't have been handed to them the way that it was. The Mets were very much good enough to be the Royals. They just blew it.

Emperor Smeat 11-02-2015 05:37 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to the 2015 <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB">@MLB</a> World Series Champions the Kansas City <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals">@Royals</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HeadedYourWay?src=hash">#HeadedYourWay</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DontGetChampagneOnTheTitle?src=hash">#DontGetChampagneOnTheTitle</a> <a href="https://t.co/MAdLZ7r4pw">pic.twitter.com/MAdLZ7r4pw</a></p>&mdash; Triple H (@TripleH) <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/661220471602438146">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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WWE could probably make a lot of money if they make a deal with sports leagues to sell custom team logos for WWE belts. Give some to teams that win and sell the rest to fans who buy their own WWE belts.

Damian Rey 11-02-2015 05:54 PM

Saw that on Facebook. Thought it was pretty sweet.

BigDaddyCool 11-02-2015 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4724911)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to the 2015 <a href="https://twitter.com/MLB">@MLB</a> World Series Champions the Kansas City <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals">@Royals</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HeadedYourWay?src=hash">#HeadedYourWay</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DontGetChampagneOnTheTitle?src=hash">#DontGetChampagneOnTheTitle</a> <a href="https://t.co/MAdLZ7r4pw">pic.twitter.com/MAdLZ7r4pw</a></p>&mdash; Triple H (@TripleH) <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/661220471602438146">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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WWE could probably make a lot of money if they make a deal with sports leagues to sell custom team logos for WWE belts. Give some to teams that win and sell the rest to fans who buy their own WWE belts.

i need that so bad.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-02-2015 11:10 PM

Mets biggest problem during the playoffs was not having to overcome adversity to the level of KC. The LA series was tough no doubt, but the Mets had the benefit of being the plucky thorns in the side of LA. They then steamrolled Chicago, and it was almost too easy. One can assume Chicago hit a BAD skid at the wrong time... it happens. Still obviously a great team and a feather in the Mets cap.

KC battled from 6-2 down, with 6 outs to go against Houston. The Jays while outplayed gave them a stern test, and by the time it came to the Mets they just seemed battle ready. Couple that with last years playoffs and I just don't think the Mets were at a point as a team to deal with KC...... as can be seen in literally every decision and play made. I'd have to agree with D-Ray and Vito, that the Mets certainly had the talent and ability to win (They were in and leading almost every game), but I think KC's tenacity shocked them. John Gibbons said it best, in that you just can't have one off moment against them. I honestly think it's just difficult when a team keeps coming at you and at you, particularly when the previous two team you've played imploded on themselves.

weather vane 11-03-2015 04:33 AM

The problem with The Mets is

- D is awful, like really awful

- Offense went SO COLD

- Not taking Harvey out after the walk in the 9th

- Bringing Familia into the worst situations

- How the fuck do the Mets not play no doubles with Hosmer up in the 9th? Terry Collins is how.

weather vane 11-03-2015 04:35 AM

All that said. Fuck the Royals. Good season Mets.

Do you want Cespedes back? Murphy?

screech 11-03-2015 08:25 AM

Dusty Baker is your new Nationals manager.

Frank Drebin 11-03-2015 08:48 AM

RIP Strasburg

Frank Drebin 11-03-2015 08:50 AM

Jays went all in this year, then their GM bolts. Not good.

Evil Vito 11-03-2015 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spilchuk (Post 4725506)
Do you want Cespedes back? Murphy?

<font color=goldenrod>I know I was all in on Cespedes when he was tearing shit up in August and early September and I was all "blank check!!!" and Damian Rey was all "whoa slow down buddy"...and he ended up being 100% right.

I'll always appreciate what Cespedes did for the team. The tear he went on was unlike anything I'd seen before and it's very possible they never win the East (let alone in a blowout) without him. He was well worth Michael Fulmer, who I think Detroit are going to be very happy with. That said, he completely disappeared in mid-September and never returned. His approach is very much homer-or-nothing and when he gets cold, he's glacially cold.

Add that to the fact that he's clearly not a true CF in spite of what he says and he tends to really loaf it on some plays and I just can't see how he's worth the $120+ million for 6 years or whatever he'll end up wanting. They'll be worse off without him but it's not yet known how high the Wilpons will be willing to increase payroll over the next few years and keeping these pitchers together even through arbitration is gonna be very expensive.</font>

Evil Vito 11-03-2015 09:41 AM

<font color=goldenrod>As for Murph...if I had my druthers I would re-sign him, put him at 1B full-time, and trade Duda. Murph is not the power hitter Duda is (in spite of Murph's playoff performance) but he is far more consistent offensively over 162 games than Duda. And at 1B Murph has looked competent. It's clear that Murph can't play 2B anymore. If the Mets are going to continue to hinge their hopes on pitching, they need strong up the middle defense and Murph at 2B cannibalizes that idea.

I suspect the Mets won't do that, though. They're very high on Dominic Smith who scouts feel might be big league ready as soon as 2017. Duda has 2 years of arbitration left at a lower cost than what Murph will get, so I suspect they'll just ride it out with the streaky Duda to bridge the gap to Smith. Murph's best value would really be in the AL as a guy you could plug into a corner infield spot and maybe even DH.</font>

ClockShot 11-03-2015 06:23 PM

Mets are keeping Terry Collins around until 2017.

He's earned another 2 years in Queens with this season's performance, IMO.

Emperor Smeat 11-03-2015 11:15 PM

Red Sox giving one more chance to Clay Buchholz after picking up his option for next season. Could have just paid $245,000 to buy out his contract but instead took the $13 million he's owed for next season.

SlickyTrickyDamon 11-04-2015 12:25 AM

Shit

Nicky Fives 11-04-2015 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4725798)
Red Sox giving one more chance to Clay Buchholz after picking up his option for next season. Could have just paid $245,000 to buy out his contract but instead took the $13 million he's owed for next season.

The second head scratcher I saw after the Jays picking up Dickey's option for $12 million..... That's an awful lot of money for a 41-year old starter, especially when money may be an issue when attempting to re-sign the likes of Price & Estrada

BigDaddyCool 11-04-2015 12:33 AM

OMG, the mood in KC is so electric right now.

We are going back to the World Series next year. Deal with it baseball.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-04-2015 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4725820)
The second head scratcher I saw after the Jays picking up Dickey's option for $12 million..... That's an awful lot of money for a 41-year old starter, especially when money may be an issue when attempting to re-sign the likes of Price & Estrada

Their pitching situation is a little bit dire at the moment. Don't really agree with the move but he'll give you 200 plus innings and his age isn't as relevant since he's a knuckleballer. Price is all but gone but I could see them QOing Estrada and likely picking up a first round draft pick for their troubles and nabbing a pitcher in the draft. (Who will most likely not pan out lol)

Penner 11-04-2015 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4720729)
I don't get it though. Am I not cool enough to be a baseball fan. I legit knew like every player from the ages of 6-13. I wanted to be Pet Hentgen. Clearly I don't pass Tonyboys test.

It's Pat Hentgen DALE

Evil Vito 11-04-2015 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 4725822)
OMG, the mood in KC is so electric right now.

We are going back to the World Series next year. Deal with it baseball.

<font color=goldenrod>Wouldn't surprise me. They're likely to lose Gordon, Zobrist, and Cueto which will make things tough but the core of the team is still going to be together. The team is definitely built for long-term success.</font>

Evil Vito 11-04-2015 09:53 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Actually kinda crazy how fast the baseball offseason moves relative to other sports. In football it's like a month and a half of nothing before you even get into free agency.

Even though the big names will likely wait out the market, there can officially be free agent signings as early as Saturday morning. Weird to think about. For the World Series teams there's really no time to dwell on things.</font>

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-04-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penner (Post 4725900)
It's Pat Hentgen DALE

I spelt his name in a south African accent ANDREW

Nicky Fives 11-04-2015 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4725884)
Their pitching situation is a little bit dire at the moment. Don't really agree with the move but he'll give you 200 plus innings and his age isn't as relevant since he's a knuckleballer. Price is all but gone but I could see them QOing Estrada and likely picking up a first round draft pick for their troubles and nabbing a pitcher in the draft. (Who will most likely not pan out lol)

I wouldn't rule out them keeping Price.... he seemed to have a lot of fun with that team and if they could come close to the money he'd receive elsewhere, I think he may stick around..... I'd definitely resign Estrada, never going to be a #1 starter, but a solid 3-4 guy that will eat innings and will hardly ever have a bad night.....Restocking up the minors may not be a terrible idea either.....

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-04-2015 05:13 PM

I'm all for them breaking bank on price. He's a great fit. But I just don't see it happening.

Damian Rey 11-04-2015 05:35 PM

Yeah I think Price is as good gone. In an open market with other bidders with need and money it's a tough task to keep him.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-04-2015 07:53 PM

Only real option I think is trade Tulo for a reliable arm. I think that'd suck because he's such a calming presence in the line up, but he's the biggest asset to trade.

Also, they should sign Jeff Smardzjia as a #3 or #4 to eat up innings. Would have picked him up instead of picking up Dickey's option tbh.

Damian Rey 11-05-2015 12:22 AM

Trading Tulo only creates another hole while filling the other. I agree they'd be better off going after Samardzija.

Evil Vito 11-05-2015 11:48 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Matt Harvey and Prince Fielder are the 2015 Comeback Players of the Year.</font>

road doggy dogg 11-05-2015 11:54 AM

Really glad for Prince

Wish Jose Fernandez came back strong this year, though Harvey definitely deserved it

Evil Vito 11-05-2015 10:03 PM

<font color=goldenrod>And we have our first official trade of the offseason.

Mariners get:
RHP Nate Karns
LHP CJ Riefenhauser
OF Boog Powell

Rays get:
SS Brad Miller
1B Logan Morrison
RHP Danny Farquhar</font>

Nicky Fives 11-06-2015 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4726230)
Trading Tulo only creates another hole while filling the other. I agree they'd be better off going after Samardzija.

Not really, move Goins to short and a healthy Devon Travis at 2nd, sign a Cliff Pennington/Darwin Barney-type veteran bench infielder as an insurance policy and calming influence for Travis and you are all set

Damian Rey 11-06-2015 07:30 AM

Goins is neither an upgrade or lateral move from Tulo. Goins had to have a career year at 27 to keep pace with Tulo, who had an extreme down year. Shipping Tulo out and replacing him with a no hit utility player isn't going to make them better.

Darwin Barney sucks. He's never been worth a roster spot but once in his career. No value there. If it turns out he has to be relied upon the jays would be in deep shit. They'd have two light hitting infielders in one lineup instead of just one.

Don't know what Shapiro's plan is, but they need to add, not subtract. I doubt ownership ok'd the adding of Tulo's salary only to dump him the next year. They have a win now team. Signing a starter or two puts them right back into possible contention.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-06-2015 09:47 AM

lol Darwin Barney or Cliff Pennington will not suffice. That would be JP Ricciardi esque in decision making.

Price is out of the picture though from all I've heard.

Evil Vito 11-06-2015 10:27 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Unless Alderson has a genuine surprise up his sleeve I can see the 2016 Mets having the same kind of question marks that they had when 2015 opened up: awesome pitching, but will they have enough offense to get by? I won't even count the loss of Cespedes since they didn't open last season with him...but losing Murph's consistent bat will hurt even if you do gain back some runs defensively.

Probably just going to need to sink or swim with Dilson Herrera at 2B. The Pacific Coast League is a notriously good hitter's league but even still you don't usually see 21 year old kids handle AAA pitching with ease the way he did. He has nothing left to prove at that level. Time to see if he has what it takes to stick in the big leagues.

If Alderson upgrades the lineup I guess CF is the default choice even though Lagares swung the bat well late in the year. They won't tie up a ton of money in Heyward, Upton, etc. nor should they. But the secondary market has some good players in Gerardo Parra, Denard Span, Colby Rasmus, and Dexter Fowler. None of those 4 should break the bank should the Mets try to rope one in.</font>

Nicky Fives 11-06-2015 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4726863)
lol Darwin Barney or Cliff Pennington will not suffice. That would be JP Ricciardi esque in decision making.

Price is out of the picture though from all I've heard.

I was simply referring to their utility infield status and that they'd play 1/5 days like Pennington/Barney has done in the past and Izturis would have done had he not gotten hurt....

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-06-2015 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4726893)
I was simply referring to their utility infield status and that they'd play 1/5 days like Pennington/Barney has done in the past and Izturis would have done had he not gotten hurt....

No I understand. But why do that when you keep one of them and have tulowitzki, Travis and Goons? I think Travis would be great trade bait for a pitcher, since you have Tulo wrapped up for the next 5 years.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-06-2015 02:53 PM

Blue Jays extend qo to Estrada

ClockShot 11-07-2015 12:53 PM

MLB Trade Rumor's offseason predictions are up for anyone looking for a laugh. I can see the Yankees going after Zobrist, but they're out of their minds if they think the Yankees are paying $200 million for Heyward.

Damian Rey 11-07-2015 01:50 PM

As established by myself and handsome Drebin, Heyward is fin to get paid and it's not unlikely he gets that amount over 7-10 years.

Hey Vito, what do you think it'd take for Alderson to ship Lagares to the Padres? San Diego ranked near or at the very bottom in nearly every defensive category. Lagares was about the best centerfielder in the game in 2013 and 14 defensively. I'd take the light bat if that defense showed up going forward.

DaveWadding 11-07-2015 02:37 PM

That Melvin Upton is a fine centerfielder.

Damian Rey 11-07-2015 02:40 PM

Lol maybe on my adult team but I'd rather pay him to sit on his ass and not half ass around on the field.

Frank Drebin 11-07-2015 02:45 PM

Feel like Damian and I should get a cut of Heyward's 200 mil when he signs.

Damian Rey 11-07-2015 03:10 PM

5% is how much? As much as I wish the Padres would back a Brinks truckto Heyward's front yard and shift old man Kemp to left, feel like they may be better getting Alex Gordon on a shorter deal for less annually. He's basically Heyward, just older, white and in left field.

DaveWadding 11-07-2015 05:59 PM

10 mil.

ClockShot 11-07-2015 06:21 PM

Someone put up $12.85 mil. to negotiate with South Korean first baseman Byung-ho Park.

O's, Indians, and Padres put up bids but were not enough. Tigers and Rangers ain't in.

Who needs a 1B these days?

Nicky Fives 11-07-2015 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4726935)
No I understand. But why do that when you keep one of them and have tulowitzki, Travis and Goons? I think Travis would be great trade bait for a pitcher, since you have Tulo wrapped up for the next 5 years.

a lefty bat off the bench will not hurt.... all of them are right, as are Bautista, EE, Donaldson, Martin.... need to fit a lefty in there somewhere, and I'm not sure Smoak is the answer offensively....Ideally, they'd get a lefty that could bat 2nd.....

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-07-2015 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4727249)
a lefty bat off the bench will not hurt.... all of them are right, as are Bautista, EE, Donaldson, Martin.... need to fit a lefty in there somewhere, and I'm not sure Smoak is the answer offensively....Ideally, they'd get a lefty that could bat 2nd.....

Apparently aggressively pursuing Chris Davis. Gonna win every game 20-18

Evil Vito 11-07-2015 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4727191)
Hey Vito, what do you think it'd take for Alderson to ship Lagares to the Padres? San Diego ranked near or at the very bottom in nearly every defensive category. Lagares was about the best centerfielder in the game in 2013 and 14 defensively. I'd take the light bat if that defense showed up going forward.

<font color=goldenrod>I don't think moving Lagares is on the Mets' radar unless it takes a longer-term commitment to land a CF than they're anticipating. It sounds like they're going to hope that they can get a guy like Span for a year or two and pair him in a platoon with Lagares staying to face LHP rather than signing a full-time CF outright.

But if they do something surprising and sign a guy like Fowler to a 4 year deal, then yeah they might decide to move Lagares before his big money kicks in later in the deal. I suspect they'd be looking for a bullpen arm. Benoit is always someone I've wanted the Mets to go after but I don't see a chance in hell they spend $8 million for a relief arm. They'd probably ask for a guy like Quackenbush or something instead: young guy with potential still in pre-arbitration years.</font>

Damian Rey 11-07-2015 11:00 PM

I'd give up Quack in heartbeat.

Nicky Fives 11-08-2015 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4727256)
Apparently aggressively pursuing Chris Davis. Gonna win every game 20-18

Not a huge fan of that at all.....They need to focus $$$ on pitching long before they need another bat....

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4727378)
Not a huge fan of that at all.....They need to focus $$$ on pitching long before they need another bat....

Davis gives them trading leverage. If you have Davis, you can trade the bats because he gives the line up more depth.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 09:00 AM

plus you just said you wanted a left handed bat. MAKE UP YOUR MIND MAN.

Nicky Fives 11-08-2015 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4727380)
plus you just said you wanted a left handed bat. MAKE UP YOUR MIND MAN.

I want a GOOD left-handed bat, not one that will lead the league in K's.... I want an on-base, 300-hitter that will be on base for Donaldson, Bautista/Encarnacion to make dozens of the 1-run homers they hit into 2-run homers....

Damian Rey 11-08-2015 09:23 AM

Davis only gives them leverage assuming they have an extra bat, which they don't. Unless you mean Justin Smoak, who's been a bust prospect and hasn't been better than league average for his career.

Adding Davis doesn't hurt. But they'd need to add pitching as well and I'm not sure signing Davis facilitates a trade.

Damian Rey 11-08-2015 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4727381)
I want a GOOD left-handed bat, not one that will lead the league in K's.... I want an on-base, 300-hitter that will be on base for Donaldson, Bautista/Encarnacion to make dozens of the 1-run homers they hit into 2-run homers....

Davis has a career 330 on base, including 361 and 370 in two of the last three years. He's not on base machine but by no means is he an auto out. He's a instant upgrade on the Jays. Donaldson, Tulo, Bautista and Edwin will all get on base more than enough times around each other to hit multi run homers.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 09:48 AM

They can trade Colabello and someone else, though it'd probably have to be a real talent, but with Davis, they'd be loaded on offence, at least RBI wise. They need pitching, and you have to give something to get something. Smoak had a decent year power wise but obviously he's not much for trade bait, but Colabello hit over .300 with over 300 at bats and had a nice playoff. You add another every day guy to the equation and you can pull in some pitching.

At the end of the day, you can't deny 47 home runs. Plus, put that power in the Rogers Center and you may be onto something.

Damian Rey 11-08-2015 10:43 AM

Colabello had a nice season but he's also 32 and hadn't hit anywhere near that level previously. I think teams can see this and wouldn't place much value on him. I don't what their farm system looks like but I'd imagine their best betis to sign a few starters.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4727401)
Colabello had a nice season but he's also 32 and hadn't hit anywhere near that level previously. I think teams can see this and wouldn't place much value on him. I don't what their farm system looks like but I'd imagine their best betis to sign a few starters.

They do need pitching but what use is it signjng pitchers of they are literally there to fill up a spot? Yeah they can sign Chris Young for instance but he will get knocked around of he has to pitch more than 5 innings. For the most part, the jays struggle with free agent signings, they need to trade for talent. If Davis wants to play here, sign him, so it's less damaging to lose a big bat. Colabello ALONG with a name talent.... I'm talking a real weapon can bring in a good, reliable arm.

In an ideal world Price would be interested in coming back which he is not, he wants to go to chi town. Then I'd say fuck chris Davis put all the resources in bringing back dp. And Greinke isn't signing with them that is for sure. And the rest that's out there are bargain pitchers. Yeah if they can pick up a hoss like samardjzia at a good price then go for it, but in say take the free agents that'll actually sign with Toronto, so you can trade for talent and it won't murder your lineup.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 11:39 AM

At the end of the day, Lacava and Shapiro have to have some idea of what they're doing so there'd be a reason the jaysnwould covet Davis.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 11:42 AM

Gallardo would be a nice grab too if he doesn't stay with the rangers.

Damian Rey 11-08-2015 12:03 PM

I'm not saying just sign anyone. There's plenty of depth on the starting pitching market that could be exploited. Maybe Greinke and Price don't happen, but there's guys like Zimmerman who will command big but not as big money.

Given Shapiro's feelings on AA selling the farm and going for it this year, and the now sudden interest in a big money bat, think it's fair top state the Jays are currently unpredictable.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 12:42 PM

Yeah nobody really knows where the hell the jays are going. I think the Shapiro/AA phone call is a fabrication though. The moves they make will do the talking. But I don't think Shapiro is coming to Toronto to lose.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-08-2015 12:45 PM

Zimmermann and Gallardo should be the 2 main targets tho. Only problem is who Rly wants to come to Toronto?

Damian Rey 11-08-2015 01:11 PM

Anyone of they get paid. Money talks. Those are two good and realistic options for Toronto.

Meanwhile, in Padres land, our local shit paper is reporting the Padres are actually trying to free up payroll and are to move James Shields, Derek Norris, Joaquin Benoit and possibly Kimbrel.

Excluding whatever Norris gets, the other three combine for nearly $40 million in payroll relief, assuming they wouldn't take any on I moving them. That's two quality free agents.

I'm all for Norris, Benoit and Kimbrel moving.

Before Preller, and even Josh Byrnes, the Padres made living on acquiring cheap relief pitching and turning them into quality bullpen pieces. I'm not keen on having relievers, and closers, making nearly as much as the team's best starter for a third of the production.

Benoit may be a hard sell, as part of the reason in acquiring Kimbrel was due to Benoit being unable to consistently go back to back days. And while $8 mil is not terrible for someone with his production record, he's nearing 40 and his peripheral numbers do not support him maintaining his typically low strand and run prevention rates.

Kimbrel is undoubtedly great. Going into to last year, using his career innings as the qualifier, he was, arguably, the best reliever of all time, including Rivera. That's great and all, but it's a useless piece at his price on a team that's likely going to be a 75-80 win team. He's still young, and would be the best relief arm on the market, free agent or otherwise. Question is do needs a closer bad enough to make up for what was given up for him in return.

Norris is a decent player. Some pop. Before last year, drew a decent amount of walks, not terrible defensively. However, Austin Hedges is defensively ready now and his glove is rated as good as any top defensive catcher in the game. He needs to play, and with catcher being a thin position always, I think Norris has solid trade value.

Shields is the guy I would not move. He's coming off a down year, so value is low. Hits homerun rate was abnormal, but he touched highs in strikeout rates, so there's reason to believe he'll bounce back and return to form. There's also the fact that he's owed $21 mil each of the next three years. Hard sell coming off a bad season.

The starter I would trade is Ross. Tons of strikeouts, tons of groundballs, still in his prime and making less than market value. I think Ross long term is not going to hold due to poor mechanics and terrible command. Last year, hitters were noticeably laying off his slider and it took mixing in more changeups to turn his year around. He was actually about a win better last year than the year before. Given the deep market of pitching, it may dampen his value, however, given he's still got team control for two more seasons, and won't cost a draft pick and free agent money, teams may be willing to trade value for his services of they feel the free agent market is beyond their grasp.

The Padres biggest concern right now is defense, which they were near league worst in across the board, and balancing out an awfully right hande lineup with few average or better options. They have a spectacular defensive catcher in hand already. Packaging Norris, Ross and Kimbrel in some, easy shape or form could help them net a quality shortstop and centerfielder.

I am going the all-star game being in town doesn't blind ownership once more and that they reset the direction of the franchise by building for the future now after giving it away last season.

Emperor Smeat 11-09-2015 02:44 PM

Baring any shenanigans, Ken Griffey Jr and Trevor Hoffman likely going into the Hall as 1st year eligable players. Very crowded ballot for this year with 15 new guys along with the leftovers from last year's ballot.

Maybe even Mike Piazza this year although might be tough with all the new guys.

Sepholio 11-09-2015 03:14 PM

Wake me up after next season. Maybe the Braves will decide to do something then.

Evil Vito 11-09-2015 03:15 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Piazza's vote totals have trended upward enough to suggest he'll get in next year barring a change of heart from voters. Went from 59% to 62% all the way to 69.9% last year. It really wouldn't take too many more votes to get him in.

If he doesn't get in this year he could be in trouble for 2017 because Pudge is eligible, and with the exception of starting pitchers there seems to be a weird phobia some voters have about putting in guys who played the same position in the same class.</font>

Damian Rey 11-09-2015 03:27 PM

I would be stunned if Trevor Hoffman got in first ballot. And while being a Padres fan my whole life leads me to hope he gets recognition, I'm also of the mind relievers, and closers in particular, are generally overrated. When the 300 saves club has accumulated a comparable amount of members as the 3000 hit club despite the save being a fairly new stat, it's a joke.

I'm having a hard time seeing anyone getting in from a closers standpoint other than Rivera. At least in terms of being a shoe in.

Evil Vito 11-09-2015 03:39 PM

<font color=goldenrod>I think Hoffman will definitely go in but it'll be a few years. Wagner may have an outside chance too but he'll flirt with running out of time on the ballot.</font>

Frank Drebin 11-09-2015 03:40 PM

HOF has been historically resistant to closers getting in let alone getting in on the first ballot. Lee Smith barely got in and he's considered one of the best closers of all time.

Damian Rey 11-09-2015 04:16 PM

Is Smith even in the hall? Fairly certain he's still waiting around.

ClockShot 11-09-2015 04:16 PM

Twins win the Byung-ho Park sweepstakes.

Droford 11-09-2015 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4727383)
Davis has a career 330 on base, including 361 and 370 in two of the last three years. He's not on base machine but by no means is he an auto out. He's a instant upgrade on the Jays. Donaldson, Tulo, Bautista and Edwin will all get on base more than enough times around each other to hit multi run homers.

Chris Davis would get obp higher if he'd learn to hit better against the shift.

Damian Rey 11-09-2015 04:37 PM

How does the shift effect his ability to draw walks? The shift is going to effect his batting average more than anything.

Evil Vito 11-09-2015 04:43 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Here's the full ballot for 2016.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2016.shtml

Writers can vote for up to 10. If I had a vote my ballot would be:

Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Griffey
Martinez
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Sosa

Always found it ridiculous to leave out the steroid guys even if a bunch of them are assholes.</font>

screech 11-09-2015 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4727943)
How does the shift effect his ability to draw walks? The shift is going to effect his batting average more than anything.

Because he wants to beat the shift to become the top-ranked guy in that stat.

screech 11-09-2015 05:06 PM

Trying to think like Droford a bit, there. Is there even a category for AVG vs the shift?

Nicky Fives 11-09-2015 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4727943)
How does the shift effect his ability to draw walks? The shift is going to effect his batting average more than anything.

He's not going to get as many walks if he signs in Toronto IMO, as pitchers would definitely walk either/any of Donaldson/Bautista/EE to GET to Davis for the potential K.....

Damian Rey 11-09-2015 06:36 PM

To which they'd pay dearly since he's not an automatic out and has more power than just about anyone not named Stanton.

Ol Dirty Dastard 11-09-2015 07:36 PM

Hoffman's numbers are ridiculous though, hard to believe he'd struggle to get in. Arguably the 2nd best closer of all time (at least statistically speaking).

Frank Drebin 11-09-2015 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4727924)
Is Smith even in the hall? Fairly certain he's still waiting around.

My bad, meant to say he hasn't gotten in with his resume.

Droford 11-09-2015 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 4727956)
Trying to think like Droford a bit, there. Is there even a category for AVG vs the shift?

BABIP? I don't have 2015 numbers but 2014 he was shifted 85% and had a babip of .230 vs .353 not vs a shift

If Davis hit the ball down the 3rd base line even 25% of the time he was shifted against, he'd get on base almost every time he did. It annoys me watching him basically hit the ball right into the shift for outs so much

screech 11-09-2015 10:22 PM

I guess BABIP would be close. I'm sure someone has some "hard data" on it, even if it's unofficial. Feel like Fox has an intern do it whenever David Ortiz or someone is up.

It bugs me when everyone hits right into the shift. Defenses have adjusted to hitters. Why haven't hitters learned to go the other way?

Frank Drebin 11-09-2015 10:40 PM

Its a fair point. I think, since it seems to be done predominantly against power hitters, thats just what a power hitter is going to do. Hit it hard and pull the ball if he hits it on the ground. To beat the shift, he'd have to reach out and poke something low and away which he would shy away from doing since that isn't his strength.

I do find it a little interesting that only sparingly have guys tried to bunt. All they'd have to do is push it past the pitcher. I get that you don't take an Anthony Rizzo and tell him to bunt a bunch when he's got 35 HR power, and I can understand not doing that with two outs, but if a guy is leading off and they're practically giving you a whole side of the field, I would like to see more attempts to try to foil the shift that way.

screech 11-09-2015 10:48 PM

Ortiz or Fielder (or any fat guy, really) bunting against the shift would be hilarious to see.

Emperor Smeat 11-09-2015 10:58 PM

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screech 11-09-2015 11:10 PM

Lol exactly

Frank Drebin 11-09-2015 11:24 PM

Apparently Tommy Hanson is in a coma which is not drug or alcohol related.

Emperor Smeat 11-09-2015 11:31 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per source: Tommy Hanson suffered catastrophic organ failure. &quot;We need prayers, we need him to wake up&quot;</p>&mdash; Zach Klein (@ZachKleinWSB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/663932499505074176">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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screech 11-09-2015 11:36 PM

what

screech 11-09-2015 11:36 PM

He's only 29 wtf

Evil Vito 11-09-2015 11:40 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck that's horrible.</font>

Evil Vito 11-09-2015 11:40 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Former teammate Jordan Schafer has tweeted that Hanson has passed away. Really hope that's just misinformation.</font> :(

Evil Vito 11-09-2015 11:51 PM

<font color=goldenrod>and Jose Reyes has apparently been arrested for assaulting his wife.

guy was one of my favorite Mets of all time but any respect I had for him is out the window if it ends up being true. no tolerance for this kind of bullshit anymore.</font>

Emperor Smeat 11-10-2015 12:57 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per MLB source, former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Braves?src=hash">#Braves</a> pitcher
Tommy Hanson has passed away
He was 29
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RIPTH?src=hash">#RIPTH</a> 🙏</p>&mdash; Zach Klein (@ZachKleinWSB) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/663947845834137600">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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:( Way too young.

Frank Drebin 11-10-2015 01:39 AM

Wow at this Tommy Hanson stuff. I don't know anything about the guy other than him being a top prospect for a while before his shoulder gave out. Feel strangely bad about it. Didn't feel like this with Adenhart, Hallman or Tavares but for some reason I do here.

ClockShot 11-10-2015 05:28 AM

Damn, what the hell happened to Tommy Hansen?! That's a autopsy report I wanna read. You just don't get "catastrophic organ failure" out of the blue.

R.I.P.

screech 11-10-2015 06:12 AM

Fuck that's awful.

Evil Vito 11-10-2015 07:20 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck. RIP</font> :(


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