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Mr. Nerfect 07-23-2018 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 5149816)
More posts from Noid about how WWE sucks, please. We don’t get enough of those

Maybe if they didn't suck, I wouldn't post about how much they suck?

Mr. Nerfect 07-23-2018 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5149818)
If they just let Val Venis and Doug Basham main event ONE Wrestlemania, we wouldn't have to deal with this.

:roll: Real contemporary. I tried to use creative crutches because I enjoyed other stuff then too. I've obviously gotten more realistic about what I think would actually help the product, but the symptoms that cause my disenchantment are largely the same.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-23-2018 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5149822)
:roll: Real contemporary. I tried to use creative crutches because I enjoyed other stuff then too. I've obviously gotten more realistic about what I think would actually help the product, but the symptoms that cause my disenchantment are largely the same.

lol come on man.

Innovator 07-23-2018 10:37 AM

There are so many alternatives readily available for anyone to hate watch a product.

If you hate the main roster, you have NXT, Impact, ROH, NJPW, Lucha Underground, MLW all there streamed.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-23-2018 10:40 AM

but he hates all those things.

Evil Vito 07-23-2018 10:41 AM

That stuff all sucks. Smoky Mountain Wrestling and Ohio Valley Wrestling are the only promotions that are worth watching and still hold up now.

Bad News Gertner 07-23-2018 10:43 AM

SMW was sooooo great. I've gotta watch more OVW. From what I've seen its really great.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-23-2018 10:48 AM

shutup Gertner.

Jordan 07-23-2018 11:18 AM

Matt Riddle to WWE... very good pick. I was hoping that Matt would’ve been the ace for ROH because aside from The Bucks and Cody that promotion is full of guys I just don’t care to see. I would’ve loved to see him get a spot in NJPW but his drug failures make that a no go. Wherever he went that isn’t WWE he could’ve been a major lead player. Not saying he can’t be that in WWE but there is always a risk that they will turn a diamond back into coal.

If you don’t know Matt, he is a combination of RVD/Kerry Von Erich and add in a shooter element to tie it all together.

Lock Jaw 07-23-2018 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5149803)
Nobody cares about Women's wrestling. They are trying to make them way more important than they are.

I care........

Gerard 07-23-2018 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5149803)
Nobody cares about Women's wrestling. They are trying to make them way more important than they are.

They have to ride the cock of that social media "women r teh best" trend for all its worth while it's still somewhat relevant.

Jordan 07-23-2018 02:19 PM

There are certain WWE female Superstars that I get pumped to watch... Ronda/Charlotte/Bailey/Sascha/Naomi/Alexa/Nia but all of those girls require solid booking to get my interest. The NXT women have got some great talent but if they aren't put in compelling stories then I'm liable to zone out during their match.

Jordan 07-23-2018 02:20 PM

They did a solid build with Rousey/Nia/Bliss with Mickie James in there as well. Looking forward to keeping that hot and turning it into Rousey's title run.

Cool King 07-23-2018 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5149844)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5149803)
Nobody cares about Women's wrestling. They are trying to make them way more important than they are.

I care........

I don't think I've actually truly cared about the Women's Division since around 2006.

There has been "little gems" in the division since, like Beth Phoenix for example but those "little gems" were around in a division that was overall, pretty bad for various reasons.

I've said this before but to me, I think the best period for the Women's Division was 2002-2006.

Jordan 07-23-2018 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 5149855)

I've said this before but to me, I think the best period for the Women's Division was 2002-2006.

Did you watch the break out days of NXT with Bailey and Banks? Just curious, I think that's what got everyone else so pumped.

Fignuts 07-23-2018 02:34 PM

It all pales in comparison to classic AJW

#weaboowrestlingfan

Cool King 07-23-2018 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5149857)
Did you watch the break out days of NXT with Bailey and Banks? Just curious, I think that's what got everyone else so pumped.

I'm afraid I didn't.

Lock Jaw 07-23-2018 02:37 PM

Just listened to Elias' debut album on Spotify..... was a good way to kill 14 minutes.

Evil Vito 07-23-2018 02:37 PM

VIP box seats for the all-women's PPV should come with a handy from the female superstar of your choice

Innovator 07-23-2018 02:53 PM

Going by the fan bases, Alexa and Becky would have torn rotators pretty quickly

Cool King 07-23-2018 03:05 PM

https://shop.wwe.com/on/demandware.s...rge/L20097.jpg

https://shop.wwe.com/on/demandware.s...rge/L20093.jpg

Cool King 07-23-2018 03:05 PM

They've apparently been selling them for a while now but I've only just noticed that WWE Shop now sell T-shirts for the "larger lady" but they call them "Curvy T-Shirts".

Fignuts 07-23-2018 03:18 PM

Fat chicks aren't curvy. They're lumpy.

Evil Vito 07-23-2018 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 5149864)
Going by the fan bases, Alexa and Becky would have torn rotators pretty quickly

I feel like I would select Ronda and/or Asuka simply because I have a deathwish

Big Vic 07-23-2018 03:36 PM

I feel like I would be more inclined to wear a WWE shirt if they didn't have that huge tag in the bottom right.

Innovator 07-23-2018 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5149871)
I feel like I would select Ronda and/or Asuka simply because I have a deathwish

Or would you go for one you think would have a lesser line and would be more grateful/less other dick contact?

Evil Vito 07-23-2018 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 5149876)
Or would you go for one you think would have a lesser line and would be more grateful/less other dick contact?

Good point. Becky and Alexa's lines would probably be so long they'd have to go 2 at a time just due to time constraints.

Evil Vito 07-23-2018 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5149875)
I feel like I would be more inclined to wear a WWE shirt if they didn't have that huge tag in the bottom right.

I'm pretty sure I read someone had figured out a way to lance the tag off

Cool King 07-23-2018 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5149875)
I feel like I would be more inclined to wear a WWE shirt if they didn't have that huge tag in the bottom right.

I had never came across someone saying that until now and a quick search on Google shows that you're not the only one that isn't a fan of the WWE tag.

What do you not like about it?

I don't understand why someone wouldn't like a WWE tag being on a WWE shirt. :-\

Bad News Gertner 07-23-2018 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 5149855)
I don't think I've actually truly cared about the Women's Division since around 2006.

There has been "little gems" in the division since, like Beth Phoenix for example but those "little gems" were around in a division that was overall, pretty bad for various reasons.

I've said this before but to me, I think the best period for the Women's Division was 2002-2006.

I 100% agree.

Fignuts 07-23-2018 04:41 PM

Not like that shirt is any less embarrassing without the tag.

DAMN iNATOR 07-23-2018 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5149821)
Maybe if they didn't suck, I wouldn't post about how much they suck?

I mean, you're entitled to your opinions but - (vomits in mouth a bit) I'm with (vomits a bit more ) Juan on this one.

Emperor Smeat 07-23-2018 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5149875)
I feel like I would be more inclined to wear a WWE shirt if they didn't have that huge tag in the bottom right.

Feel their terrible designs in general or the need for every shirt to have something going on in the back is a bigger issue. Like those two Bliss shirts Cool King posted would be better without the Bliss text in the back.

Gerard 07-23-2018 07:02 PM

Speaking of the women's division, what's the story with rousey? They seem to be using her in tv match terms incredibly sparingly to say the least. Do they not think she's ready for being put in matches on a consistent basis, or is her (rumoured 1 year contract) like Lesnar's and she only has x amount of appearance dates?

Emperor Smeat 07-23-2018 07:15 PM

A mix of them not wanting to rush her in-ring work and lying from the start about her being a full time wrestler.

She's both their biggest mainstream star right now and a big reason why their new tv deals were massive. Last thing WWE wants is to piss off NBC and/or FOX before the new tv deals start by giving her the same star attrition booking almost everyone else gets on the main roster.

Innovator 07-23-2018 08:21 PM

If you use Ronda like every other female wrestler, she becomes just another wrestler

Savio 07-23-2018 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5149902)
Not like that shirt is any less embarrassing without the tag.

I wasn't talking about that shirt in particular just in general

Savio 07-23-2018 09:56 PM

Please Drew, win

Jordan 07-23-2018 11:02 PM

Controversial words on Twitter tonight...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You ain’t nobody......bitch <a href="https://t.co/wsOjsA44kd">pic.twitter.com/wsOjsA44kd</a></p>&mdash; 'Bad Boy' Tama Tonga (@Tama_Tonga) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tama_Tonga/status/1021305809655885825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Jordan 07-23-2018 11:03 PM

I think it's cool for guys to keep heat on Twitter when they are asshole characters but he took that way too far. Fuck Tama Tonga.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 5149825)
There are so many alternatives readily available for anyone to hate watch a product.

If you hate the main roster, you have NXT, Impact, ROH, NJPW, Lucha Underground, MLW all there streamed.

NXT filters into main roster WWE. I find it hard to invest in their television when I know the end-game and it's becoming a trope cycle. Impact Wrestling is TNA. I saw a clip out of curiosity recently -- Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan were fighting over a score. ROH has felt very cold to me lately. Nothing against them, but nothing really for them either. Lucha Underground is ridiculous. I haven't watched MLW yet. New Japan are people I am actively rooting for, but I'm worried about taking that big dive, because I've disliked things I've seen, and that might be my last bridge to modern wrestling. I might just catch clips of things I know I'll like.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 02:41 AM

A big problem for me is that a lot of the stuff I don't like is really en vogue like now. The styles between the products is really not that different.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5149827)
but he hates all those things.

For a guy who likes to dismiss people as trying to be the "smartest guy in the room," you sure do like to do a lot of speaking on behalf of people.

Shadrick 07-24-2018 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5149844)
I care........

same here. when they aren't given 2 minutes on a Raw as a filler segment, the matches can be fucking amazing.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5150335)
For a guy who likes to dismiss people as trying to be the "smartest guy in the room," you sure do like to do a lot of speaking on behalf of people.

Except my take isn't exactly out of thin air.

Big Vic 07-24-2018 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 5149893)
I had never came across someone saying that until now and a quick search on Google shows that you're not the only one that isn't a fan of the WWE tag.

What do you not like about it?

I don't understand why someone wouldn't like a WWE tag being on a WWE shirt. :-\

Wrestling fans aren't respected in the states.

Bad News Gertner 07-24-2018 08:29 AM

Noid is the only one that gets it

Big Vic 07-24-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

For anyone asking if there's ever been an all-men's PPV, here's every WWE PPV that WWE has on the network without a women's match

If at least one woman wrestles on the card as an official participant in a match, then that ppv is excluded from this list. I'm even going to be generous and count it if a match was on Heat or the preshow.

The Wrestling Classic

Wrestlemania III

Wrestlemania IV

Summerslam 1988

Survivor Series 1988

Wrestlemania V

Summerslam 1989

Survivor Series 1989

Royal Rumble 1990

Summerslam 1990 (Sherri defeats Sapphire by forfeit as Sapphire never shows up, so no match here despite it being advertised)

Survivor Series 1990

Royal Rumble 1991

Wrestlemania VII

Summerslam 1991

Survivor Series 1991

This Tuesday in Texas

Royal Rumble 1992

Wrestlemania VIII

Summerslam 1992

Survivor Series 1992

Royal Rumble 1993

Wrestlemania IX

King of the Ring 1993

Summerslam 1993

Survivor Series 1993

Royal Rumble 1994

King of the Ring 1994

Survivor Series 1994

Royal Rumble 1995

Wrestlemania XI

In Your House I

King of the Ring 1995

In Your House 2

In Your House 3

In Your House 4

In Your House 5

Royal Rumble 1996

In Your House 6

Wrestlemania XII

In Your House 7: Good Friends, Better Enemies

In Your House 8: Beware of Dog

King of the Ring 1996

In Your House 9: International Incident

Summerslam 1996

In Your House 10: Mind Games

In Your House 11: Buried Alive

Survivor Series 1996

In Your House 12: It's Time

Royal Rumble 1997

In Your House 13: Final Four

Wrestlemania 13

In Your House 14: Revenge of the 'Taker

In Your House 15: A Cold Day in Hell

King of the Ring 1997

In Your House 16: Canadian Stampede

Summerslam 1997

Ground Zero: In Your House

One Night Only

Badd Blood: In Your House

Survivor Series 1997

D-Generation X: In Your House

Royal Rumble 1998

No Way Out of Texas: In Your House

King of the Ring 1998

Breakdown: In Your House

Judgment Day: In Your House

Rock Bottom: In Your House

Backlash: In Your House

No Way Out 2000

Backlash 2000

Judgment Day 2000

Unforgiven 2000

Insurrextion 2001

King of the Ring 2001

Unforgiven 2001

No Way Out 2002

Vengeance 2002

Summerslam 2002

No Way Out 2003

Summerslam 2003

Summerslam 2004

Royal Rumble 2005

No Way Out 2005

Backlash 2005

Judgment Day 2005

ECW One Night Stand 2005

Summerslam 2005

Armageddon 2005

No Way Out 2006

Vengeance 2006

Summerslam 2006

No Mercy 2006

Armageddon 2006

Royal Rumble 2007

No Way Out 2007

Judgment Day 2007

Cyber Sunday 2007

No Way Out 2008

Cyber Sunday 2008

No Way Out 2009 (there was a pre-show dark match for the women's title)

Judgment Day 2009 (there was a pre-show dark match for the women's title)

Summerslam 2009 (there was a pre-show dark match battle royal)

Breaking Point

Elimination Chamber 2011

Capitol Punishment

Summerslam 2012

Royal Rumble 2013

Wrestlemania 29

Extreme Rules 2013

Royal Rumble 2014

The Greatest Royal Rumble

That's over 110, for those counting along.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5150373)
Noid is the only one that gets it

I will find you. Then I will stab you.

Simple Fan 07-24-2018 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5150330)
Impact Wrestling is TNA. I saw a clip out of curiosity recently -- Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan were fighting over a score.



Impact Wrestling is not TNA. Don Callis and Scott D'Amore have done a great job turning the company around. Slammiversary proved that and TNA is dead, this is iMPACT!

Dark One 07-24-2018 11:11 AM

I have YOSHI-HASHI's theme stuck in my head and I want to die.

I'll miss you all, except Noid and CyNick.

Jordan 07-24-2018 11:11 AM

Just thinking... I've never been one to hate on Roman's in ring work, he's one of the top main event guys they've had as far as quality of match goes. Imagine that dickhead heel HBK circa 97 vs Roman Reigns... that would be incredible.

Bad News Gertner 07-24-2018 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5150394)
I will find you. Then I will stab you.

Some people settle for Bud Light, some people only settle for champagne .

LibSuperstar 07-24-2018 04:38 PM

WrestleMania V was a trip b/c Sherri Martel and Rockin' Robin appeared at the event, though in non-wrestling roles.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5150404)
Impact Wrestling is not TNA. Don Callis and Scott D'Amore have done a great job turning the company around. Slammiversary proved that and TNA is dead, this is iMPACT!

:lol: Okay.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5150362)
Except my take isn't exactly out of thin air.

Nope. It's fueled by months of projecting and making up whatever narrative you want. Which is normal, it's just annoying that you call others out on it yet can't keep your own house in line.

Emperor Smeat 07-24-2018 04:50 PM

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Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5150373)
Noid is the only one that gets it

I'm really coming around to your line of thinking, Gerty. I used to think it was a philosophical problem with what WWE is, but I'm thinking more and more that it is the direction of the entire industry. Really want something to prove me wrong. Dale will say I don't, but I really do. I'm hungry for something new that makes me feel nostalgic.

#1-norm-fan 07-24-2018 04:51 PM

Impact has a long way to go to shed itself of the TNA stink. One PPV that no one watched isn't gonna do the trick.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5150533)
Nope. It's fueled by months of projecting and making up whatever narrative you want. Which is normal, it's just annoying that you call others out on it yet can't keep your own house in line.

dude you are so self unaware it is comical.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5150543)
dude you are so self unaware it is comical.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 04:59 PM

You were literally telling a black guy how to feel about being black a while ago. The irony is immense.

#1-norm-fan 07-24-2018 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5150535)
I'm really coming around to your line of thinking, Gerty. I used to think it was a philosophical problem with what WWE is, but I'm thinking more and more that it is the direction of the entire industry. Really want something to prove me wrong. Dale will say I don't, but I really do. I'm hungry for something new that makes me feel nostalgic.

I've felt some nostalgia watching New Japan lately. It's not perfect and the language/cultural barrier is always gonna be hindrance for me but when I watch the build to certain matches and then see it play out in the ring, it's the closest I get to feeling like I'm watching old NWA. I was even invested in a Young Bucks match and I generally find them terrible.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 06:03 PM

I get what you're saying. I absolutely love the presentation there. I watched The Young Bucks vs. SANADA & EVIL and actually quite liked it. I didn't think it was fantastic, but there was the semblance of tag team psychology implemented. I appreciate that they are trying.

I like that you're realistic about the product and admit that it's not perfect. This is a failing in me, but I let people's hysteria around things color my expectations too often. I can enjoy things if they are good if other people find them good, but when people act like something is the best thing ever and it's not...I guess I just find the fandom a bit toxic sometimes. I need to clear my expectations before I go into it.

Bad News Gertner 07-24-2018 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LibSuperstar (Post 5150527)
WrestleMania V was a trip b/c Sherri Martel and Rockin' Robin appeared at the event, though in non-wrestling roles.

If you've seen any of their matches, it's for the best

slik 07-24-2018 06:46 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a take that didn’t age well. Professional dirtsheet coverage on this gonna be something. <a href="https://t.co/IYpMfnD1x5">pic.twitter.com/IYpMfnD1x5</a></p>&mdash; Tights and Fights: The Perfect Wrestling Podcast (@TightsFights) <a href="https://twitter.com/TightsFights/status/1021550276757442560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5150569)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a take that didn’t age well. Professional dirtsheet coverage on this gonna be something. <a href="https://t.co/IYpMfnD1x5">pic.twitter.com/IYpMfnD1x5</a></p>&mdash; Tights and Fights: The Perfect Wrestling Podcast (@TightsFights) <a href="https://twitter.com/TightsFights/status/1021550276757442560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I don't actually understand the point trying to be made here. Are they trying to say that Dave's take is inappropriate? I think there are lots of people who feel that the WWE "women's movement" is bullshit. Dave was quite outspoken about them doing business with Saudi Arabia in the first place. I don't think Dave is against all-woman cards so much as he sees through their corporate tokenism that is actually quite disrespectful.

slik 07-24-2018 06:54 PM

Equality = Bullshit

Interesting take

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 07:01 PM

Lol, the women in WWE aren't equal. Just this year the WWE ran a propaganda show for Saudi Arabia -- one of the most regressive regimes in the world. It's referenced in that tweet. They still treat their African-Americans like it is progressive to show them as smiling talking heads. "Look, black people can be well-presented too!" They tried pushing Jinder Mahal because they have the racist idea that Indians are stupid marks that will eat up any shit they throw at them. Your current Women's World Champions are Alexa Bliss and Carmella. Do you think they are being pushed because of their talent?

The WWE is not a progressive company.

slik 07-24-2018 07:03 PM

Dave Meltzer is a great historian and fabulous obituary writer but I question his ability to 'break news' in 2018 tbh.

There's way more 'maybe-maybe not-plans change' than someone of his stature should have at this point. It sometimes makes me wonder if there is something to the rumors Meltz's only sources are a few wrestlers like Jericho, who really don't know that much since they don't sit in creative/marketing meetings.

Fabulous at obits though.

slik 07-24-2018 07:08 PM

Steph said several years ago 'Philanthropy is the new PR' and I think 'The Women's Revolution' is a marketing gimmick, just like how every woman is now a 'goddess, warrior, princess' etc

But -- there are still plusses to come from that. Those are great terms for little kids to hear about women. I think the all women's show is a great opportunity for WWE to make some money and get good PR. I also think they'll return to Saudia Arabia before WM too.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 07:10 PM

I remember him being basically 100% correct about the WrestleMania 33 card. I think some stuff sneaks up on him because it sneaks up on everyone. He can only report the scuttlebutt on what he actually hears and then what actually transpires.

It's crazy to me how many people (not you, mind you -- I'm talking generally and about people like Prichard), will see Meltzer get way ahead of something and then not give him any credit for it like it was something he could have known without knowing. There is obviously stuff he doesn't know, but I think the stuff he does is obviously stuff he does.

And in regards to that tweet, he's saying that he thinks it's an ugly idea. He's not actually commenting on whether or not he thinks they will actually do. I think a lot of people have expected this for a long time. I don't think it's particularly shocking.

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5150578)
Steph said several years ago 'Philanthropy is the new PR' and I think 'The Women's Revolution' is a marketing gimmick, just like how every woman is now a 'goddess, warrior, princess' etc

But -- there are still plusses to come from that. Those are great terms for little kids to hear about women. I think the all women's show is a great opportunity for WWE to make some money and get good PR. I also think they'll return to Saudia Arabia before WM too.

I agree with you that it is a marketing gimmick. They clearly don't give a shit about their women -- hence the Saudi stuff.

It is a great time for little girls to hear about women and pioneers; I just don't think WWE is a great example of that, where tits and ass still rule the day, and girls still fight over high school drama. They're also copying the male wrestlers, because Steph is obsessed with the idea of "lady balls," not releasing that male bravado is one of the things a lot of women's rights activists would love to get away from.

I think an all-woman show highlighting female talent could be great. I've suggested that they do one for ages. I've wanted them to get their own TV show too. I'd love for it to be booked correctly and proper stories to come out of the division too. I'd also like $5,000,000 and a threesome with Emma and Becky Lynch. I think it's the tone people are put off by. It's so fake. If it inspires more female doctors and scientists though, cool.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5150547)
You were literally telling a black guy how to feel about being black a while ago. The irony is immense.

lol that is not even close to what happened. You're just racist with a full-on white saviour complex.

Look Noid, given the fact I like you, the chances are I'm not going to concoct a narrative to sully your name.

Evil Vito 07-24-2018 07:35 PM

Noid: handjob from Tenille Dashwood in exchange for having to watch all programming WWE puts out for the next month. Deal?

Mr. Nerfect 07-24-2018 07:39 PM

Nah, not worth it.

Helmsphere 07-24-2018 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5150591)
Noid: handjob from Tenille Dashwood in exchange for having to watch all programming WWE puts out for the next month. Deal?

Can I take that deal?

Jordan 07-24-2018 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5150575)
Dave Meltzer is a great historian and fabulous obituary writer but I question his ability to 'break news' in 2018 tbh.

There's way more 'maybe-maybe not-plans change' than someone of his stature should have at this point. It sometimes makes me wonder if there is something to the rumors Meltz's only sources are a few wrestlers like Jericho, who really don't know that much since they don't sit in creative/marketing meetings.

Fabulous at obits though.

Do you subscribe?

Jordan 07-24-2018 08:04 PM

If you subscribe to F4W and have an account on that forum...

About a year ago I was in a bitchy mood and made a topic that you can search and read called...

"Honestly why is Ryan Satin breaking all the news"

I totally regretted coming after him like I did, but his response opened my eyes to what I was actually paying for.

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BiffJordan

Should I be subscribing to his site now? Why doesn't Dave give us the scoops anymore?
And on page 2 Dave defended himself with...

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dave

Re: Honestly why is Ryan Satin breaking all the news?

Aside from plenty of first-run info in every issue, it's not about first, it's about the most detail, and our article is a lot more detailed and we'll have more on the radio show tonight.

But in theory, the idea is you get more detail and a deeper understanding of the industry.
And yes this is true. We shouldn't hate on Dave when Brad or PWI or whomever else has a "scoop"... they are frantic to get it on their site or twitter so they can be the first. Dave will go in depth, double check the sources, get a thorough analysis... There is a reason people pay 10 bucks a month to have access to his site. It's not just for click bait news. You can get that here on TPWW or any other basic wrestling site. Nobody can match Dave's journalism and knowledge on this topic.

Jordan 07-24-2018 08:08 PM

I was being particular about the news that WWE was going to purchase ROH, and upset about why Dave didn't have anything up on the site to digest on it. But it turns out nothing happened, so unlike the other fools who posted it right away, Dave held his ground for the facts to fall.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 08:09 PM

I agree w/you Jordan. But keep in mind, Slik loves the tabloid/clickbait stuff.

Jordan 07-24-2018 08:10 PM

On that topic...

Remember Rob Harvey?

Who was he? Why did he always know everything?

Emperor Smeat 07-24-2018 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5150575)
Dave Meltzer is a great historian and fabulous obituary writer but I question his ability to 'break news' in 2018 tbh.

There's way more 'maybe-maybe not-plans change' than someone of his stature should have at this point. It sometimes makes me wonder if there is something to the rumors Meltz's only sources are a few wrestlers like Jericho, who really don't know that much since they don't sit in creative/marketing meetings.

Probably is a mix of him having fewer sources than in the past within the WWE and Vince's bad habit of constantly changing things on the fly.

That and everything revolves around the Newsletter for him so even if he does break some news, the in-depth stuff gets held off till that week's Newsletter arrives.

Bad News Gertner 07-24-2018 09:45 PM

That's what kills me about thr "plans change" criticism. The WWE changes their minds more than my girlfriend deciding where she wants to go for dinner on a Saturday night.

slik 07-24-2018 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5150605)
Do you subscribe?

Yeah I can read the Observer, I give it a read every Thursday

slik 07-24-2018 09:50 PM

I can't stand Ryan Satin

He seems like some kid w/ a rich dad who barely gets scoops
Brad Shepard is a bit arrogant but he and Sean Ross Sapp seem to break the scoops lately w/ Satin getting some minor stuff.
Billy Bhatti is 'unbearable' but he does get some scoops, @TicketDrew on twitter does get some scoops too I've noticed

slik 07-24-2018 09:53 PM

"I get the details" seems like Meltzer being lazy most of the time and hiding behind the fact he can't break stories before all the new guys gunning for his spot tbh.

I think Meltzer is probably just as much a Carny as Vince in a way.

slik 07-24-2018 09:53 PM

But he writes a helluva obituary, unmatched there

slik 07-24-2018 09:55 PM

BrianMaxwellMcCann (I think that's his name) and Chill Hartman sometimes get good scoops but it's been a dry spell lately on their end

Same for Thomas Fenton @ WrestlingNewsWorld

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5150898)
But he writes a helluva obituary, unmatched there

Didn't know you were Bruche Prichard/The CyNick

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-24-2018 09:58 PM

/Eric Bischoff

Jordan 07-24-2018 10:04 PM

People can gun for his spot all they want but I don't think anyone is near his level in quality or the ability to "draw" subscribers at $10 a month, and a lot of those subscribers are critics of him and still can't stay away. I know he won't release how many subs he has but you know it's a lot.

Bad News Gertner 07-24-2018 10:04 PM

I don't know how people can watch the WWE with Ryback gone

slik 07-24-2018 10:07 PM

It's a TMZ world

You have to break news first
Satin SHOULD understand that more, given his background

Bad News Gertner 07-24-2018 10:08 PM

I actually stopped watching because of Ryback. Decided to hang my hat of that cause.

slik 07-24-2018 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5150940)
People can gun for his spot all they want but I don't think anyone is near his level in quality or the ability to "draw" subscribers at $10 a month, and a lot of those subscribers are critics of him and still can't stay away. I know he won't release how many subs he has but you know it's a lot.

Dave has spelling and grammar errors all the time in the Observer tbh -- but I get what you mean too.

I like Dave, I'm just sort of bored of him. He's become like The Roman Reigns of wrestling journalists.

Jordan 07-24-2018 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5150950)
Dave has spelling and grammar errors all the time in the Observer tbh -- but I get what you mean too.

I like Dave, I'm just sort of bored of him. He's become like The Roman Reigns of wrestling journalists.

Yeah there are errors at times, I forgive it because I know he's up at 4am trying to get it in on time so the marks don't flip.

Thing with Brad is, I was into his scoops for a bit, I thought it was cool. But everyday he tries to qualify himself and slam Dave, it's pathetic. If he'd just do his own work and forget about Dave, stop reminding the twitterverse that "I BROKE THIS STORY A WEEK AGO" then I'd be interested in keeping up with him. Also his podcast is atrocious.

#1-norm-fan 07-24-2018 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5150949)
I actually stopped watching because of Ryback. Decided to hang my hat of that cause.

Going back and watching the night he got his hands on Punk on Raw is just sad now. Such a waste. Now they're spending years and years trying to build a face to the pont where Ryback was at that moment.

slik 07-24-2018 10:18 PM

@Jordan X -- I agree with you on Brad -- the constant bragging/insulting gets old VERY quickly.

I listened to one podcast and couldn't make it through -- it was so boring. I'm not a podcast person to start with. I don't dislike Dave, at all...I just get bored w/ him sometimes. And my main interest is #SCOOPS so somebody needs to step up and nail that arena for slik's sake lol.

Emperor Smeat 07-24-2018 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5150940)
People can gun for his spot all they want but I don't think anyone is near his level in quality or the ability to "draw" subscribers at $10 a month, and a lot of those subscribers are critics of him and still can't stay away. I know he won't release how many subs he has but you know it's a lot.

PWI and PWTorch are probably the closest to the Observer in terms of status and subscribers. Those three sites are pretty much the equivalent of a holy trinity for dirtsheets.

Even though PWTorch's Wade Keller doesn't get referenced that much online, he's someone seen as very reliable in scale like PWI's Mike Johnson and Observer's Meltzer.


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