Maybe if they didn't suck, I wouldn't post about how much they suck?

:roll: Real contemporary. I tried to use creative crutches because I enjoyed other stuff then too. I've obviously gotten more realistic about what I think would actually help the product, but the symptoms that cause my disenchantment are largely the same.

lol come on man.

There are so many alternatives readily available for anyone to hate watch a product.

If you hate the main roster, you have NXT, Impact, ROH, NJPW, Lucha Underground, MLW all there streamed.

but he hates all those things.

That stuff all sucks. Smoky Mountain Wrestling and Ohio Valley Wrestling are the only promotions that are worth watching and still hold up now.

SMW was sooooo great. I've gotta watch more OVW. From what I've seen its really great.

shutup Gertner.

Matt Riddle to WWE... very good pick. I was hoping that Matt would’ve been the ace for ROH because aside from The Bucks and Cody that promotion is full of guys I just don’t care to see. I would’ve loved to see him get a spot in NJPW but his drug failures make that a no go. Wherever he went that isn’t WWE he could’ve been a major lead player. Not saying he can’t be that in WWE but there is always a risk that they will turn a diamond back into coal.

If you don’t know Matt, he is a combination of RVD/Kerry Von Erich and add in a shooter element to tie it all together.

I care........

They have to ride the cock of that social media "women r teh best" trend for all its worth while it's still somewhat relevant.

There are certain WWE female Superstars that I get pumped to watch... Ronda/Charlotte/Bailey/Sascha/Naomi/Alexa/Nia but all of those girls require solid booking to get my interest. The NXT women have got some great talent but if they aren't put in compelling stories then I'm liable to zone out during their match.

They did a solid build with Rousey/Nia/Bliss with Mickie James in there as well. Looking forward to keeping that hot and turning it into Rousey's title run.

Did you watch the break out days of NXT with Bailey and Banks? Just curious, I think that's what got everyone else so pumped.

It all pales in comparison to classic AJW

#weaboowrestlingfan

Just listened to Elias' debut album on Spotify..... was a good way to kill 14 minutes.

VIP box seats for the all-women's PPV should come with a handy from the female superstar of your choice

Going by the fan bases, Alexa and Becky would have torn rotators pretty quickly

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Fat chicks aren't curvy. They're lumpy.

I feel like I would select Ronda and/or Asuka simply because I have a deathwish

I feel like I would be more inclined to wear a WWE shirt if they didn't have that huge tag in the bottom right.

Or would you go for one you think would have a lesser line and would be more grateful/less other dick contact?

Good point. Becky and Alexa's lines would probably be so long they'd have to go 2 at a time just due to time constraints.

I'm pretty sure I read someone had figured out a way to lance the tag off

I 100% agree.

Not like that shirt is any less embarrassing without the tag.

I mean, you're entitled to your opinions but - (vomits in mouth a bit) I'm with (vomits a bit more ) Juan on this one.

Feel their terrible designs in general or the need for every shirt to have something going on in the back is a bigger issue. Like those two Bliss shirts Cool King posted would be better without the Bliss text in the back.

Speaking of the women's division, what's the story with rousey? They seem to be using her in tv match terms incredibly sparingly to say the least. Do they not think she's ready for being put in matches on a consistent basis, or is her (rumoured 1 year contract) like Lesnar's and she only has x amount of appearance dates?

A mix of them not wanting to rush her in-ring work and lying from the start about her being a full time wrestler.

She's both their biggest mainstream star right now and a big reason why their new tv deals were massive. Last thing WWE wants is to piss off NBC and/or FOX before the new tv deals start by giving her the same star attrition booking almost everyone else gets on the main roster.

If you use Ronda like every other female wrestler, she becomes just another wrestler

I wasn't talking about that shirt in particular just in general

Please Drew, win

Controversial words on Twitter tonight...

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I think it's cool for guys to keep heat on Twitter when they are asshole characters but he took that way too far. Fuck Tama Tonga.

NXT filters into main roster WWE. I find it hard to invest in their television when I know the end-game and it's becoming a trope cycle. Impact Wrestling is TNA. I saw a clip out of curiosity recently -- Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan were fighting over a score. ROH has felt very cold to me lately. Nothing against them, but nothing really for them either. Lucha Underground is ridiculous. I haven't watched MLW yet. New Japan are people I am actively rooting for, but I'm worried about taking that big dive, because I've disliked things I've seen, and that might be my last bridge to modern wrestling. I might just catch clips of things I know I'll like.

A big problem for me is that a lot of the stuff I don't like is really en vogue like now. The styles between the products is really not that different.

For a guy who likes to dismiss people as trying to be the "smartest guy in the room," you sure do like to do a lot of speaking on behalf of people.

same here. when they aren't given 2 minutes on a Raw as a filler segment, the matches can be fucking amazing.

Except my take isn't exactly out of thin air.

Wrestling fans aren't respected in the states.

Noid is the only one that gets it

I will find you. Then I will stab you.

Impact Wrestling is not TNA. Don Callis and Scott D'Amore have done a great job turning the company around. Slammiversary proved that and TNA is dead, this is iMPACT!

I have YOSHI-HASHI's theme stuck in my head and I want to die.

I'll miss you all, except Noid and CyNick.

Just thinking... I've never been one to hate on Roman's in ring work, he's one of the top main event guys they've had as far as quality of match goes. Imagine that dickhead heel HBK circa 97 vs Roman Reigns... that would be incredible.

Some people settle for Bud Light, some people only settle for champagne .

WrestleMania V was a trip b/c Sherri Martel and Rockin' Robin appeared at the event, though in non-wrestling roles.

:lol: Okay.

Nope. It's fueled by months of projecting and making up whatever narrative you want. Which is normal, it's just annoying that you call others out on it yet can't keep your own house in line.

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I'm really coming around to your line of thinking, Gerty. I used to think it was a philosophical problem with what WWE is, but I'm thinking more and more that it is the direction of the entire industry. Really want something to prove me wrong. Dale will say I don't, but I really do. I'm hungry for something new that makes me feel nostalgic.

Impact has a long way to go to shed itself of the TNA stink. One PPV that no one watched isn't gonna do the trick.

dude you are so self unaware it is comical.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

You were literally telling a black guy how to feel about being black a while ago. The irony is immense.

I've felt some nostalgia watching New Japan lately. It's not perfect and the language/cultural barrier is always gonna be hindrance for me but when I watch the build to certain matches and then see it play out in the ring, it's the closest I get to feeling like I'm watching old NWA. I was even invested in a Young Bucks match and I generally find them terrible.

I get what you're saying. I absolutely love the presentation there. I watched The Young Bucks vs. SANADA & EVIL and actually quite liked it. I didn't think it was fantastic, but there was the semblance of tag team psychology implemented. I appreciate that they are trying.

I like that you're realistic about the product and admit that it's not perfect. This is a failing in me, but I let people's hysteria around things color my expectations too often. I can enjoy things if they are good if other people find them good, but when people act like something is the best thing ever and it's not...I guess I just find the fandom a bit toxic sometimes. I need to clear my expectations before I go into it.

If you've seen any of their matches, it's for the best

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I don't actually understand the point trying to be made here. Are they trying to say that Dave's take is inappropriate? I think there are lots of people who feel that the WWE "women's movement" is bullshit. Dave was quite outspoken about them doing business with Saudi Arabia in the first place. I don't think Dave is against all-woman cards so much as he sees through their corporate tokenism that is actually quite disrespectful.

Equality = Bullshit

Interesting take

Lol, the women in WWE aren't equal. Just this year the WWE ran a propaganda show for Saudi Arabia -- one of the most regressive regimes in the world. It's referenced in that tweet. They still treat their African-Americans like it is progressive to show them as smiling talking heads. "Look, black people can be well-presented too!" They tried pushing Jinder Mahal because they have the racist idea that Indians are stupid marks that will eat up any shit they throw at them. Your current Women's World Champions are Alexa Bliss and Carmella. Do you think they are being pushed because of their talent?

The WWE is not a progressive company.

Dave Meltzer is a great historian and fabulous obituary writer but I question his ability to 'break news' in 2018 tbh.

There's way more 'maybe-maybe not-plans change' than someone of his stature should have at this point. It sometimes makes me wonder if there is something to the rumors Meltz's only sources are a few wrestlers like Jericho, who really don't know that much since they don't sit in creative/marketing meetings.

Fabulous at obits though.

Steph said several years ago 'Philanthropy is the new PR' and I think 'The Women's Revolution' is a marketing gimmick, just like how every woman is now a 'goddess, warrior, princess' etc

But -- there are still plusses to come from that. Those are great terms for little kids to hear about women. I think the all women's show is a great opportunity for WWE to make some money and get good PR. I also think they'll return to Saudia Arabia before WM too.

I remember him being basically 100% correct about the WrestleMania 33 card. I think some stuff sneaks up on him because it sneaks up on everyone. He can only report the scuttlebutt on what he actually hears and then what actually transpires.

It's crazy to me how many people (not you, mind you -- I'm talking generally and about people like Prichard), will see Meltzer get way ahead of something and then not give him any credit for it like it was something he could have known without knowing. There is obviously stuff he doesn't know, but I think the stuff he does is obviously stuff he does.

And in regards to that tweet, he's saying that he thinks it's an ugly idea. He's not actually commenting on whether or not he thinks they will actually do. I think a lot of people have expected this for a long time. I don't think it's particularly shocking.

I agree with you that it is a marketing gimmick. They clearly don't give a shit about their women -- hence the Saudi stuff.

It is a great time for little girls to hear about women and pioneers; I just don't think WWE is a great example of that, where tits and ass still rule the day, and girls still fight over high school drama. They're also copying the male wrestlers, because Steph is obsessed with the idea of "lady balls," not releasing that male bravado is one of the things a lot of women's rights activists would love to get away from.

I think an all-woman show highlighting female talent could be great. I've suggested that they do one for ages. I've wanted them to get their own TV show too. I'd love for it to be booked correctly and proper stories to come out of the division too. I'd also like $5,000,000 and a threesome with Emma and Becky Lynch. I think it's the tone people are put off by. It's so fake. If it inspires more female doctors and scientists though, cool.

lol that is not even close to what happened. You're just racist with a full-on white saviour complex.

Look Noid, given the fact I like you, the chances are I'm not going to concoct a narrative to sully your name.

Noid: handjob from Tenille Dashwood in exchange for having to watch all programming WWE puts out for the next month. Deal?

Nah, not worth it.

Can I take that deal?

Do you subscribe?

If you subscribe to F4W and have an account on that forum...

About a year ago I was in a bitchy mood and made a topic that you can search and read called...

"Honestly why is Ryan Satin breaking all the news"

I totally regretted coming after him like I did, but his response opened my eyes to what I was actually paying for.

And on page 2 Dave defended himself with...

And yes this is true. We shouldn't hate on Dave when Brad or PWI or whomever else has a "scoop"... they are frantic to get it on their site or twitter so they can be the first. Dave will go in depth, double check the sources, get a thorough analysis... There is a reason people pay 10 bucks a month to have access to his site. It's not just for click bait news. You can get that here on TPWW or any other basic wrestling site. Nobody can match Dave's journalism and knowledge on this topic.

I was being particular about the news that WWE was going to purchase ROH, and upset about why Dave didn't have anything up on the site to digest on it. But it turns out nothing happened, so unlike the other fools who posted it right away, Dave held his ground for the facts to fall.

I agree w/you Jordan. But keep in mind, Slik loves the tabloid/clickbait stuff.

On that topic...

Remember Rob Harvey?

Who was he? Why did he always know everything?

Probably is a mix of him having fewer sources than in the past within the WWE and Vince's bad habit of constantly changing things on the fly.

That and everything revolves around the Newsletter for him so even if he does break some news, the in-depth stuff gets held off till that week's Newsletter arrives.

That's what kills me about thr "plans change" criticism. The WWE changes their minds more than my girlfriend deciding where she wants to go for dinner on a Saturday night.

Yeah I can read the Observer, I give it a read every Thursday

I can't stand Ryan Satin

He seems like some kid w/ a rich dad who barely gets scoops
Brad Shepard is a bit arrogant but he and Sean Ross Sapp seem to break the scoops lately w/ Satin getting some minor stuff.
Billy Bhatti is 'unbearable' but he does get some scoops, @TicketDrew on twitter does get some scoops too I've noticed

"I get the details" seems like Meltzer being lazy most of the time and hiding behind the fact he can't break stories before all the new guys gunning for his spot tbh.

I think Meltzer is probably just as much a Carny as Vince in a way.

But he writes a helluva obituary, unmatched there

BrianMaxwellMcCann (I think that's his name) and Chill Hartman sometimes get good scoops but it's been a dry spell lately on their end

Same for Thomas Fenton @ WrestlingNewsWorld

Didn't know you were Bruche Prichard/The CyNick

/Eric Bischoff

People can gun for his spot all they want but I don't think anyone is near his level in quality or the ability to "draw" subscribers at $10 a month, and a lot of those subscribers are critics of him and still can't stay away. I know he won't release how many subs he has but you know it's a lot.

I don't know how people can watch the WWE with Ryback gone

It's a TMZ world

You have to break news first
Satin SHOULD understand that more, given his background

I actually stopped watching because of Ryback. Decided to hang my hat of that cause.

Dave has spelling and grammar errors all the time in the Observer tbh -- but I get what you mean too.

I like Dave, I'm just sort of bored of him. He's become like The Roman Reigns of wrestling journalists.

Yeah there are errors at times, I forgive it because I know he's up at 4am trying to get it in on time so the marks don't flip.

Thing with Brad is, I was into his scoops for a bit, I thought it was cool. But everyday he tries to qualify himself and slam Dave, it's pathetic. If he'd just do his own work and forget about Dave, stop reminding the twitterverse that "I BROKE THIS STORY A WEEK AGO" then I'd be interested in keeping up with him. Also his podcast is atrocious.

Going back and watching the night he got his hands on Punk on Raw is just sad now. Such a waste. Now they're spending years and years trying to build a face to the pont where Ryback was at that moment.

@Jordan X -- I agree with you on Brad -- the constant bragging/insulting gets old VERY quickly.

I listened to one podcast and couldn't make it through -- it was so boring. I'm not a podcast person to start with. I don't dislike Dave, at all...I just get bored w/ him sometimes. And my main interest is #SCOOPS so somebody needs to step up and nail that arena for slik's sake lol.

PWI and PWTorch are probably the closest to the Observer in terms of status and subscribers. Those three sites are pretty much the equivalent of a holy trinity for dirtsheets.

Even though PWTorch's Wade Keller doesn't get referenced that much online, he's someone seen as very reliable in scale like PWI's Mike Johnson and Observer's Meltzer.