10/10

What is this from??

I always used Napster and Limewire. Never had much use for Kazaa, as Kazaa itself always seemed to fuck up my PC. OG Napster was decent for dial-up and for getting what you were actually looking for.

From a Xtreme Pro Wrestling show after ECW shut down.

For years it was rumored New Jack purposely overshot the toss as payback for a botched spot in ECW between the two that resulted in him suffering a serious head injury.

Buenas noches, Psycho Clown.

If I recall correctly, New Jack was responsible for that botch as well.

New Jack said in interviews that he was trying to throw Grimes onto the ring post, but it's pretty clearly Grimes over shooting his target

I fucking hate New Jack.

Natalya ready for winter


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WTF is she thinking?!? Crazy cat people.

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New Jack isn’t as awful as I thought. People have bought into the work.

Shout out to Liam O’Rourke on Cornette’s podcast. Both Corny and Brian Last gave him credit for his book. :y:

How the fuck is Ziggler main eventing anything?

He's leftover potential from 5 years ago they keep zapping in the microwave with mid-card titles.

Something in WWE booking that occurred to me recently that's very telling of Vince's mentality - how often do you hear about male babyfaces being "best friends"?

Female wrestlers are routinely "best friends", and male heels (Zayn and Owens, Jericho and Owens) are routinely described as best friends - but Reigns? Cena? Lashley? AJ Styles? Do these people have "best friends"? No - and I think it's because Vince sees friendship, or any sort of emotional connection to another person, as emotional weakness and unmanly, and assumes the audience would agree.

So you end up with heels that feel like real, fleshed out human beings, while the babyfaces are cookie-cutter "rebels" going it alone, because Vince thinks fans will only relate to a face that's "sticking it to the man".

The Shield are best friends though

They became best friends as heels though.

This is one of the things that sticks out to me watching Memphis wrestling. The heels gets a beatdown long enough to get heat, and then a bunch of faces, led by Lawler, would come in to save a day. Sometimes it's just Lawler himself, but it gets a bigger point across. Poor sap in the ring getting his ass kicked but he's a good guy, and people don't want to see the good guy get hurt. And when Lawler comes out, it says to the audience that he sticks up for the little guy. By leading a charge, it says to the audience that he is the kind of person every other good guy looks up to and they'll back him up because of it.

That does more than declaring yourself the Big Dog or having "good matches." Wrestling is a visual medium. Show, don't tell. Wrestling as an Athletic Performance will always make less money than Wrestling as a Morality Play.

"We are brothers"

They're stuck in the Attitude era mentality, even though they're actively trying to get away from the things that made that work.

Vince and co. do not understand the basic premise of show don't tell. Every promo is exposition. It's infuriating.

It's not only exposition, but it's often redundant exposition. I noticed it a few years ago, but Seth Rollins cut the same promo on the same show twice, and to get to that point they didn't need it in the first place.

Plus, it's often exposition in the form of an inauthentic, pantomimic soliloquy. People don't trade zingers like they try to get their talent to. They all look like fucking losers. Give me someone foaming at the mouth that is less concerned with being verbally articulate and more concerned having some actual fucking pride in themselves.

ROMAN IS THE BIG DOG AND IT'S HIS YARD AND BROCK CHEATED TO WIN.

- Every Roman Reigns promo since the year began

Exposition is sometimes necessary but should always be used sparsely. It's the very definition of telling instead of showing... or even worse, telling and showing as a way to tell the fans the reaction you want from the.

NO ONE HAS MORE OF A POINT THAN THE BIG DOG

Who lost to Bobby last night, and keeps losing to Brock

Does he even say that he's cheating to win? Isn't it closer to "Yeah, I got my ass kicked. I don't know why I'm getting another shot, frankly I don't care, I'm just The Big Dog and I'm ready for a Big Fight."

Exactly.

One of the biggest problems with WWE is that they look down on the intelligence of their audience. They think kids are stupider than they are, and can't attract them, so they end up doing on the nose exposition with a bunch of 38+ men.

WWE has literally forgotten that the idea of a fight is to win it without getting beaten up.

Even when they do establish friendships, another big problem is they rarely have their bigger stars help out their friends when needed the most. Cena being the biggest offender of this.

Or when they do get involved, it just comes off as trying to get some cheap cheers than the big face star being concerned over the wel-lbeing of his pals. Reigns has been an offender of this in recent years.

They have so many continuity problems. Kurt Angle is a glaring example of this. They make him out to be the biggest fucking idiot as General Manager.

They forget that your babyfaces have to do likable things and that just acting as if a babyface is a babyface isn't enough.

More time has passed between Brock Lesnar's WWE return to present day (6 years, 3 months) than between Brock's last match before going to UFC and his WWE return (4 years, 10 months).

Seems weird that it's been that long. Mostly because the product has felt the fucking same for nearly the entire time Lesnar's been back and, frankly, probably a couple of years before that.

Andrade "Cien" Almas is the fucking man. Zelena Vega is amazing. Almas is who I would eventually have dethrone AJ, but not for a few more months.

Drawing blanks on who else could.

Wait, all those guys are in the WWE?

he'd sound cooler in Poland. Cien means SHADOW.

I've been watching a shitload of wrestling today. More than in a long long time.

Not whole matches, though. Top Ten lists like "Top 10 most embarassing repackages" etc.

If not Shinsuke, which is clearly isn't, I really can't think of anyone else either. Not on the heel side, anyway.

Rusev?

WWE just needs to get fully behind him to build up his star power more since he already has the crowd invested in him.

Had Bryan not been relegated to tag stuff, he would be another great choice to dethrone Styles now.

Samoa Joe isn't injured, they just haven't used him on TV lately.
Joe could be a good 'heel champ' for brand blue.

Now I started watching matches.

Taker vs Hardy in a ladder match. That's interesting.

Hey, hes there even been a Royal Rumble match where they could also pin nd submit someone? I used to do that on my N64.

No but Macho Man once tried to pin someone during a Rumble. Then again Macho Man also once eliminated himself during one as well. Might have even been from the same Rumble.

Joe could do it. I'm fine with Styles taking it into Mania against Bryan though. Almas can beat Bryan for it.

If Styles takes the belt into WrestleMania, he will surpass Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, Triple H and Bret Hart in total days spent as WWE Champion on the way. They make for interesting story beats as you march towards whoever wins the Rumble and challenges Styles.

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:rofl:

Seen better built legs hanging out of a birds nest.

Holy fuck, is Nash sick?

He's always had pretty skinny legs, part of the reason he always wore long pants.

Ah, I see.

That was not me laughing at him, by the way, but I really thought this might be the case.

It doesn't look right.

I could be wrong, but he may have had knee surgery recently, accounting for the lack of size on his legs (what with not being able to train them).

Oh. Wait, wasn't he famous for tearing his quads? Or am I mistain' him with someone else?

Nah. There are pics of him from years ago where his legs look like twigs. They've always looked like that.

Anyone else noticed that a lot of NFL players that sucked ass big time turned wrestlers?

Yeah at least in recent years, that seems to be the growing trend.

The ties between football and wrestling go back decades with several good players in the past going into wrestling because it paid better or was easier to make the big bucks. Then you have others like the Rock who were decent or good at the college level but never went beyond it prior to becoming wrestlers.

O, i imagine some decent players turned wrestlers in the past. Like who for example?

Ernie Ladd is usually the one that gets mentioned the most but supposedly Dusty Rhodes was good enough to be coveted by NFL teams but turned down offers to go into wrestling instead.

I just read Rhodes wanted to go professional but got cut.

But that's wiipedia info so take it as you will.

But I can see that Ernie Ladd guy must have been good.

Usually wrestlers that played were only pre-season and spent 1 year in a team tops.

If he wasn't braindead for taking that spot hopefully he isn't after.

Yeah based on an article I read while looking up football players as wrestlers, it mentioned he tried out for the Patriots and Giants but didn't make it out of training camp. Supposedly the Dolphins were still willing to give him an offer so I assume he must have been good as a player in college. He rejected it since he already made up his mind on being a wrestler instead.

Surprised nobody said Ron Simmons.

His stats are pretty meh.

Too bad OJ didn't become a wrestler instead of a murderer. It would be huge, he was a huge star.

I wouldn't know. I'm not that into Florida State. Hell, I would never known Rock played for The U if it were never mentioned.

I mean more along the lines of "I heard about so-and-so" talked about in that circle before wrestling. Like Brock Lesnar (NCAA wrestling) or Bianca BelAir (track). I never heard anything about Dwayne Johnson's playing days until WWE brought it up.

Yeah, so am I really. Just chit chatting. I only checked on wiki and his NFL career does not look too great.

I know nothing about Uni football.

Isn't Ron Simmons in the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame?

I wonder about stuff like that sometimes. Like, what if Snoop Dogg didn't go on to release the "longest awaited rap album of all time", and instead, focused on football? From what I understand, he was a standout QB. Would he have been Heisman material in college and possibly gone on to the NFL? Would he have "smoked too much" and been suspended/forced out like Rickey Williams? And how different would not only the music world but the sports world be (or pop culture in general) if he made a shift in focus back then? What if Kevin Nash never got hurt in the first place, and kept playing basketball? Would his career doing that outstripped the lack of Diesel, the Curtain Call, The Outsiders, nWo, and so-on...? There would be a lot of shit that wouldn't have taken place and other plans put in motion.

Again, I don't know, because I don't give a fuck about the Seminoles, but I thought people talked about not liking standing across from Ron on the field back in his day because you were going to get put on your ass.

Meanwhile, I *only* remember Mongo from the Horsemen, and not playing for the Bears. Wasn't his claim to fame that he was part of the Super Bowl team? I remember Jim McMahon, I remember Fridge, Singletary, Payton... I don't remember Steve.

Being fair about that, though, given where I live, I don't give a fuck about Ziggler's accomplishments at Kent St. not so much because it wasn't admirable, but because I'm a YSU fan, and fuck Kent State. It's really less pronounced now, but back then, they were kinda rivals.

Vader played pro and no one has mentioned him somehow.

To be fair, he had probably injured himself around that time period too.

He was a practice squad player. Like Jim The Anvil Neidhart

Football players transition well into wrestling because football is all about footwork which is so important for a wrestler

I saw the End of an Era match referenced somewhere. It got me thinking about how it was 6 years ago.

and how the Era ended 6 years before that?

The Attitude Era for all intents and purposes died at WM17, although you can make the argument that everything from WM17 through to the start of the brand split was still part of it to an extent. I think WWE themselves even say it ran through 2002, they continued using the Attitude branding in the show intros right up until the day Vince uttered the words "Ruthless Aggression".

But still, it's been at least 16 years ago that it ended. Rapidly approaching 2 decades. And yet we still have Triple H and The Undertaker in prime Mania slots every year.

I actually forgot just how young Orton was when he started. He was only 22 when he debuted on television and he'd already been in development for a year or two. He's still only 38 years old.

" only 38 years old. "

This makes me feel young. Thanks Vito.

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To me The Attitude Era went from WM14 to WM17. The New Generation Era ended at Survivor Series 96. From 96-98 I always think of it as The Pre-Attitude Era where things slowly were setting up for it. After 17, WCW was gone, and Austin turned heel. Once Austin turned, it was over. Between WM17, and the invasion, there were some PPV's with great matches. They had a very deep roster. The Angle vs Benoit feud was amazing.

They never built anyone up after Cena except for Roman so this is what they get. They have to rely on guys way past their prime.

Kane also had his "thank you" run with the World Heavyweight Title in 2010. Almost a decade ago. Five years later he was a featured antagonist in a Royal Rumble.

Such a white person thing to say.

LOL Just busting balls, Noid.

Lacey Evans is pretty good, just in case any of you were wondering. Really flourishing as a heel.

I haven't slept in 3 days and read it "flourishing in head" and was go whooooooooooaaaah.

Disappointed.

I can't keep my Laceys in wrestling straight.

Lol, just reading up on her: She was in the marnes and her staff sergeant promoted indy shows on the side. He invited her along and then booked her to wrestle him in the main event of the second show she attended. Of course he did.

Daniel Cormier did a recent interview where he sounded very WWE-friendly. I know the guy is a fan of professional wrestling, but do you think it's only a matter of time until he makes the jump?

Haha, super skep

It's only a matter of time before he teams with Brock Lesnar, only to lose to The Revival.

Yeah, I probably could have supported that cause too.

Big spoiler from NXT:

Why the fuck was Mr. Hughes in the first King of the Ring tournament?

I just heard a clip from Raw between Sasha and Bayley. :lol:

Cormier is a big WWE fan, can't ever talk with Ariel without it coming up. I do think there is a possible WWE program after he retires, especially if Cain Valesquez gets involved and especially if he defeats Lesnar at UFC next year. The reason I mentioned Cain is because that has been rumored off and on a few times plus he was at NXT tapings this week, as a fan or backstage I do not know.

I wonder if the WWE would make Velasquez cover up his "Brown Pride" tattoo? I can honestly see Vince wanting to segue into Brock vs. Velasquez and Brock vs. Cormier at WrestleMania events in order to bulk them up. I can see Vince thinking of them as "celebrity involvement" and seeing the perceived success he is having with Ronda Rousey tipping his tastes in that direction.

Well Brown Pride doesn't represent hate where as white pride does so I don't think it's an issue.

It depends on what WWE thinks though. Didn't they cover up MVP largely because he had a Malcolm X tattoo?