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Simple Fan 10-22-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5186967)
…….You can't be serious.

Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.

Sixx 10-22-2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187005)
Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.

Hm, you really ARE simple.

Sepholio 10-22-2018 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187005)
Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.

LOL. Who has to say he's a bad guy before you'll pass judgement? Who has to tell you that Saudi Arabia is among the worst, if not THE worst, human rights abusers on the planet? Or do you have to personally witness the atrocities yourself?

Sixx 10-22-2018 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5187077)
LOL. Who has to say he's a bad guy before you'll pass judgement? Who has to tell you that Saudi Arabia is among the worst, if not THE worst, human rights abusers on the planet? Or do you have to personally witness the atrocities yourself?

Fan will not believe it until they torture and murder HIM.

Sepholio 10-22-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SixxT9 (Post 5187082)
Fan will not believe it until they torture and murder HIM.

Maybe he's refusing to say anything negative about the crown prince because he's scared a hit squad might get him next!

Sixx 10-22-2018 09:03 PM

Fan, don't ever enter a Saudi embassy!

Simple Fan 10-22-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5187077)
LOL. Who has to say he's a bad guy before you'll pass judgement? Who has to tell you that Saudi Arabia is among the worst, if not THE worst, human rights abusers on the planet? Or do you have to personally witness the atrocities yourself?

I'd actually have to hear or see some proof. I don't really care that Saudi Arabia is a human rights abuser, they have a different culture and I can accept that, I don't condone it but I also don't know much about it. It's like a bible pusher trying to push his beliefs and way of life on you is how I see the US and whoever trying to make these countries more progressive. From what I've seen they've made some steps towards allowing woman to do more things but it feels like people want a 100% turnaround in one day.

Mr. Nerfect 10-22-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5186894)
the Rock is in trouble for having dinner with the Prince

To be fair a bunch of famous people had dinner with him too

I don't get why people think that because a whole bunch of other people do the wrong thing it excuses them from doing it. All of them deserve criticism for aligning themselves with this scumbag. The Rock doesn't get a pass because he's not the only guy.

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5186901)
I see nothing wrong with his post. If being a nice person and listening to other's views is embarrassing then that's pretty sad. That's what America is all about but people don't like to listen to views they don't share anymore.

It's not nice to support regimes that kill people. It's not nice to go to someone's house and hear screaming from the basement and just continue to drink wine. Listening to other people's views is a gross euphemism for enabling people to do evil shit.

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Originally Posted by Pit Barrel King (Post 5186907)
The Rock will be the next President after Trump probably.

Lol, it really wouldn't surprise me if he was President one day, but that is way too early. And a lot of the "memes" about President Rock are based on the foundation that he is a cool guy, the #1 guy in Hollywood and can do no wrong. If he shatters that illusion the well will dry up.

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5186971)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Crown Jewel could be in trouble.<br><br>I was just told Reigns is currently injured and that Cena and Bryan are &quot;refusing&quot; to work the show. Many on the current WWE roster have expressed concerned with going, as well, but obviously not all of them have the power like Cena/Bryan.</p>&mdash; Robbie Fox (@RobbieBarstool) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool/status/1054445652011302912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thank fuck some guys get it. Good for Cena and Bryan. Cena took a shot in that John Oliver piece, and he's got a career and public image to worry about. Doing the propaganda promos is a great way to make sure no one takes him seriously as an up-and-coming celebrity.

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187005)
Oh I'm serious, I don't know anything about the guy so I'm not going to pass judgment just because the media says he's a bad guy. I have nothing against Saudi Arabia or how they run their country either.

Dude, you owe it to yourself to learn. It's not hard to do a Google search on "human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia." "Just because the media says," -- wtf, it's not just the media. It's the media (all forms, not just your paid and bought), it's people who have lived there, it's their documented history of executions and imprisoning people for voicing an opinion. If you have nothing against how they run their country...I can't help you.

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187155)
I'd actually have to hear or see some proof. I don't really care that Saudi Arabia is a human rights abuser, they have a different culture and I can accept that, I don't condone it but I also don't know much about it. It's like a bible pusher trying to push his beliefs and way of life on you is how I see the US and whoever trying to make these countries more progressive. From what I've seen they've made some steps towards allowing woman to do more things but it feels like people want a 100% turnaround in one day.

Then look at the proof, Fan. It's fucking out there. How can you not give a shit they abuse human rights? How can you just call that a "different culture?"

It's just a "different culture" that they killed and hacked up that journalist. Not going to pass judgment on the morals there, guys. Fuck you.

Sixx 10-22-2018 10:17 PM

I don't care it's legal to fuck and marry 12 year olds in the Philippines. It's just their culture.

Mr. Nerfect 10-22-2018 10:22 PM

Yeah, it's pretty wtf.

Simple Fan 10-22-2018 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5187206)
Dude, you owe it to yourself to learn. It's not hard to do a Google search on "human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia." "Just because the media says," -- wtf, it's not just the media. It's the media (all forms, not just your paid and bought), it's people who have lived there, it's their documented history of executions and imprisoning people for voicing an opinion. If you have nothing against how they run their country...I can't help you.



Then look at the proof, Fan. It's fucking out there. How can you not give a shit they abuse human rights? How can you just call that a "different culture?"

It's just a "different culture" that they killed and hacked up that journalist. Not going to pass judgment on the morals there, guys. Fuck you.

You are talking about a country that is still a monarchy, their citizens don't have the same rights I do. Human rights isnt a universal thing that every country abides by and I can accept that. As long as they don't come attacking my rights here in the USA then I could care less how their country is run.

Sixx 10-22-2018 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187348)
You are talking about a country that is still a monarchy, their citizens don't have the same rights I do. Human rights isnt a universal thing that every country abides by and I can accept that. As long as they don't come attacking my rights here in the USA then I could care less how their country is run.

Incredible.

Mr. Nerfect 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

Now having an Eli Drake avatar is your second biggest flaw.

Simple Fan 10-23-2018 12:08 AM

It's just being real, you can't expect the whole world to be equal just because we're all human. Thats a fantasy that is never going to happen.

Sepholio 10-23-2018 12:11 AM

LMFAO this is surreal.

Sepholio 10-23-2018 12:12 AM

"I don't care if the neighbor murders people constantly as long as he doesn't murder me"

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5187369)
"I don't care if the neighbor murders people constantly as long as he doesn't murder me"

I don't think Fan gets that this is what he's saying.

Simple Fan 10-23-2018 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5187369)
"I don't care if the neighbor murders people constantly as long as he doesn't murder me"

Saudi Arabia is far from being my neighbor.

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187367)
It's just being real, you can't expect the whole world to be equal just because we're all human. Thats a fantasy that is never going to happen.

It's not being real at all. Being real is looking at a real crisis and saying "that's fucked" and not tucking your head between your legs and saying "la-la-la-la!". What do you think happened to that journalist? Be real about it -- what do you think happened and why?

I don't think your point about the whole world being equal really fits the framing of the conversation. It's not about "expecting" sunshine and roses. It's about not entering into business with shady dictators and trying to work towards change and making sure justice is served where you can.

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187376)
Saudi Arabia is far from being my neighbor.

Dude, we are all born on the same planet.

Sixx 10-23-2018 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5187378)
Dude, we are all born on the same planet.

This made me chuckle.

Triple A 10-23-2018 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187348)
You are talking about a country that is still a monarchy, their citizens don't have the same rights I do. Human rights isnt a universal thing that every country abides by and I can accept that. As long as they don't come attacking my rights here in the USA then I could care less how their country is run.

The people of Saudi Arabia don't choose to have a brutal, backwards monarchy rule over them.

The monarchy/dictatorship uses hundreds of billions of dollars in American (and other countries') weapons and spy technology to rule over their population and crush any dissent. Peaceful protest is punishable by death.

The US (and UK and others) support the dictatorship because they can be controlled. Be our "allies" and do what we want and we'll keep you rich and in power. If the people of Saudi Arabia had a pesky democracy, they might start doing things that the US government and elite don't like and can't control.

In the <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/politics/trump-saudi-king-intl/index.html">words</a> of Donald Trump, the Saudi monarchy would not last two weeks without US support.

"We protect Saudi Arabia. And I love the King ... King Salman but I said 'King, we're protecting you. You might not be there for two weeks without us.'"

So it's not just some far off place that we have nothing to do with. Our government directly supports the monarchy.

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SixxT9 (Post 5187381)
This made me chuckle.

It's probably the most hippy-esque thing I've said in my life, but it's just amazing how cunty people get when geography is involved. Like, they can't actually imagine the suffering because the people aren't living right down the road from them. These people have lives until this government strangles it out of them.

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5187382)
The people of Saudi Arabia don't choose to have a brutal, backwards monarchy rule over them.

The monarchy/dictatorship uses hundreds of billions of dollars in American (and other countries') weapons and spy technology to rule over their population and crush any dissent. Peaceful protest is punishable by death.

The US (and UK and others) support the dictatorship because they can be controlled. Be our "allies" and do what we want and we'll keep you rich and in power. If the people of Saudi Arabia had a pesky democracy, they might start doing things that the US government and elite don't like and can't control.

In the <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/politics/trump-saudi-king-intl/index.html">words</a> of Donald Trump, the Saudi monarchy would not last two weeks without US support.

"We protect Saudi Arabia. And I love the King ... King Salman but I said 'King, we're protecting you. You might not be there for two weeks without us.'"

:y:

Simple Fan 10-23-2018 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5187377)
It's not being real at all. Being real is looking at a real crisis and saying "that's fucked" and not tucking your head between your legs and saying "la-la-la-la!". What do you think happened to that journalist? Be real about it -- what do you think happened and why?

I don't think your point about the whole world being equal really fits the framing of the conversation. It's not about "expecting" sunshine and roses. It's about not entering into business with shady dictators and trying to work towards change and making sure justice is served where you can.

I think that journalist ran into the wrong people. I don't know what he did or what or knew but it doesn't concern me.

Good look working towards change and justice if you don't want to do business with them.

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187386)
I think that journalist ran into the wrong people. I don't know what he did or what or knew but it doesn't concern me.

Good look working towards change and justice if you don't want to do business with them.

The wrong people were the Prince's hit squad. His main crime was speaking out against the Prince. Good luck working towards change when you actively try to help them stay in power and kill the people working towards change.

Sixx 10-23-2018 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187386)
I think that journalist ran into the wrong people. I don't know what he did or what or knew but it doesn't concern me.

Good look working towards change and justice if you don't want to do business with them.

Ran into the wrong people?

Dude, those people were people that rule that country and he didn't "run into them", he just criticized them.

Sixx 10-23-2018 12:39 AM

I can't believe we're really having this conversation.

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:39 AM

"Well, I've got to keep donating to my church. I mean, there was a big expose on how they use that money to relocate child abusers and pay lawyers to intimidate anyone who speaks out about their suffering, so a bunch of people are getting hurt because of it, but if I don't shake their hand and pay my tithing, they'll never be forced to do anything else."

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 12:41 AM

Fucking TNA fans.

Simple Fan 10-23-2018 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SixxT9 (Post 5187390)
I can't believe we're really having this conversation.

I can't believe it's such a big deal really. If not for this place I'd not even know about it. I'll admit I'm ignorant to the situation but fucked up things happen everywhere and I don't concern myself with something on the other side of the earth.

Mr. Nerfect 10-23-2018 02:44 AM

I am seriously stunned. a) That you choose to live in such ignorance; b) That you can't believe that people actually care when an evil regime does such horrific things. And for fuck's sake, stop trying to justify the evil actions by one dictator by pointing out that other people do terrible things too. Those are just as terrible. It's all terrible. It doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

#1-norm-fan 10-23-2018 02:49 AM

How close to where you currently are does something need to happen for you to have an opinion on it?

SlickyTrickyDamon 10-23-2018 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187400)
I can't believe it's such a big deal really. If not for this place I'd not even know about it. I'll admit I'm ignorant to the situation but fucked up things happen everywhere and I don't concern myself with something on the other side of the earth.

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slik 10-23-2018 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5187400)
I can't believe it's such a big deal really. If not for this place I'd not even know about it. I'll admit I'm ignorant to the situation


You're only ignorant by choice.

It's not like 'current events' are hard to hear about on the internet.

slik 10-23-2018 03:31 AM

"Hitler is killing Jews because it's a different culture. I don't know anything about Hitler, I don't feel like reading about him, it's not my problem".

- Simple Fan in decades past

Droford 10-23-2018 04:30 AM

This show seems doomed

Roman can't go
Cena and Bryan won't go
Everyone wants them to not go

I figure something else will happen

Swiss Ultimate 10-23-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5187419)
"Hitler is killing Jews because it's a different culture. I don't know anything about Hitler, I don't feel like reading about him, it's not my problem".

- Simple Fan in decades past

There is a political narrative throughout the civilized world that Islam is a religion of peace and not a backward violent death cult aimed at the obliteration of gays, Jews, and atheists. Crimes committed by these theocratic states often go ignored by nightly news and political comedy shows. It's politically correct to ignore the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and instead to drone on and on about, "Not all Muslims" when ever something terrible happens.

Big Vic 10-23-2018 08:45 AM

Imagine if WWE pulls out and the Saudis rope in TNA for the deal and that gives them enough captial to become #1? lol

Sixx 10-23-2018 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pit Barrel King (Post 5187441)
There is a political narrative throughout the civilized world that Islam is a religion of peace and not a backward violent death cult aimed at the obliteration of gays, Jews, and atheists. Crimes committed by these theocratic states often go ignored by nightly news and political comedy shows. It's politically correct to ignore the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and instead to drone on and on about, "Not all Muslims" when ever something terrible happens.

You talk too much. What matters is if it's far away from where you're at, you should not give a shit.

Simple Fan 10-23-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5187413)
I am seriously stunned. a) That you choose to live in such ignorance; b) That you can't believe that people actually care when an evil regime does such horrific things. And for fuck's sake, stop trying to justify the evil actions by one dictator by pointing out that other people do terrible things too. Those are just as terrible. It's all terrible. It doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

A) This guys death impacts my life in zero ways. O can believe people actually care about this but I still think it's a waste of time. I don't because murders happen all the time here in America which are much more important to me.


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