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DAMN iNATOR 06-28-2011 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3565785)
You didn't just say that. Tell me you did NOT just say that.
Yeah, actually I did...SUCKA. :|

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3565786)
Don't forget, he also managed D'Lo Brown, Mark Henry, Rosey, Chris Nowinski and the "Reflection of Perfection" Mark Jindrak. And that's all from the cranium too, didn't need Google or Wiki.
I remember the black lads getting a helping hand but cant remember the last two though i admit i haven't really watched smackdown much since the brand split (watched every raw bar 4 though). Your knowledge of Teddy Long and his merry men is pretty fucking good. How many did anything of note in WWE tho? Mark Henry is the longest serving and he's been around so long, doing so little, that his credibility is almost non existent.

BigDaddyCool 06-28-2011 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 3565778)
A good amount of talent is needed or else you'd end up with a mess or ramble of a shoot similar to Vince Russo's shoots in late WCW or when TNA references WWE in random promos.

Punk's promo does manage to stay within the idea of the universe because the main focus of his complaints were that everyone just accepts whatever the universe dictates which explains why he never gets to be on weekly programs or appreciated a lot more. R-Truth actually has been attacking this idea a lot with his "little Jimmys" promos but never at the level of what Punk did last night.

The reaction of the crowd was also a bit special since they didn't start booing him as if they sort of agreed to what he was saying but didn't want to break the idea of the "universe" by cheering him.
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3565783)
When you call all of the titles "imaginary", I don't think that's working within the confines of the universe. Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from Punk, as he is obviously a performer of many talents, but I think it's much easier to cut a promo like he did last night than it is to make something like a Kane/Edge program feel believable, for example.
Thrilla gets it. It takes a certain amount of talent, pose, and public speaking ability to pull off that kind of promo. I'm not saying every wrestler could do it. But I am saying that it is cheap heat not unlike coming into the arena, and insulting the local sport teams, saying the local food specialty sucks, and that they are a bunch of what ever the common slur for the area is. But weaving all of that into a narrative of sorts for the promo. That is cheap.

Coming out and making the points in a narrative promo with the bullet points of Cena kisses ass, the Rock (also known as Dwayne Johnson) kisses ass, Hogan kisses ass, the future owner will suck and are stupid, and the belts being imaginary is cheap. He expertly wove those into his promo, but the bullet point are whorish.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic (Post 3565787)
Depends on what you define as 'better'. As a wrestling company, one would assume this means wrestling, but it doesn't. The WWE got big through clever marketing, Vince's aggressive takeover strategy in the 80's and Hullamania. None of those things, particularly the third item, have anything to do with good wrestling.
Well if you say company after wrestling you have to look at $$$ and then Vince wins hands down. I agree WWE focuses less on wrestling than other companies, whether it be stupid skits, XFL, Tough enough etc but they have the money, money talks and the best wrestlers will want the big paycheck so you have to assume the majority of the best wrestlers are in WWE. ie better matches

Anybody Thrilla 06-28-2011 04:21 PM
In all fairness, there are some really fucking good wrestlers in WWE.

Chavo Classic 06-28-2011 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3565796)
In all fairness, there are some really fucking good wrestlers in WWE.
And some we don't know are good because they only get 3 minutes a week to show us. It's an embarrassment of riches really.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3565796)
In all fairness, there are some really fucking good wrestlers in WWE.
Im sure many of us wouldn't lose any sleep if we never saw Mysterio, Kane, Chavo (until recently) etc again but they are as good as it gets in the ring to the point that they are almost flawless

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:28 PM
someone is gonna post about Michelle and Layla now right?

DAMN iNATOR 06-28-2011 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3565791)
I remember the black lads getting a helping hand but cant remember the last two though i admit i haven't really watched smackdown much since the brand split (watched every raw bar 4 though). Your knowledge of Teddy Long and his merry men is pretty fucking good. How many did anything of note in WWE tho? Mark Henry is the longest serving and he's been around so long, doing so little, that his credibility is almost non existent.
LOL, well Nowinski isn't black and neither is Jindrak. Nowinski was the Harvard elitist guy on RAW c. 2003. He never lasted long. Jindrak didn't either but he was the last guy Teddy Managed before becoming GM of SD! in like July of '04.

Goulet 06-28-2011 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3565800)
Im sure many of us wouldn't lose any sleep if we never saw Mysterio, Kane, Chavo (until recently) etc again but they are as good as it gets in the ring to the point that they are almost flawless
Kane? really?

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3565803)
LOL, well Nowinski isn't black and neither is Jindrak. Nowinski was the Harvard elitist guy on RAW c. 2003. He never lasted long. Jindrak didn't either but he was the last guy Teddy Managed before becoming GM of SD! in like July of '04.
Derp :) i mean i remember Teddy helping Rodney, D-Lo, Henry and Rosey but not when he was in charge of Chris and Mark. I really enjoyed Nowinski when he was around but he's quite the bitter ex-wrestler now sadly. Jindrak had a good look but his in ring ability left a lot to be desired. I think he was only hired cos of Vince crushing on big men

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Goulet (Post 3565806)
Kane? really?
For which part? That he's excellent in the ring or that we wouldn't miss his character? I think he's an excellent wrestler especially for his size. Its kinda nice that he's still there but i think he's been around the block enough times now and since the unmasking he's lost a little something that he'l never get back. Not even the unmasking, it might be just the shaved head. He kinda looks like a giant baby at times with that big cueball

BigDaddyCool 06-28-2011 04:38 PM
Kane is as good as any big man is in the ring.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 04:47 PM
HEY!!! We agree on something. So emmm, i dunno, you wanna maybe go out sometime? :)

dronepool 06-28-2011 04:58 PM
So does all this positive response prove that people prefer edgy and that this recent PG strangleholds suck? I haven't really payed much attention to WWE since May but this CM Punk "worked shoot" was good stuff, RAW wasn't even that great.. but Punk made me put the volume up and look away from my laptop for 10 minutes.

Not saying I'm gonna go out of way to catch RAW if I have plans, but he did something great last night.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 05:05 PM
Im pretty sure the entire population over the age of 11 prefers edgy over PG. I suggest you stick to your other plans next monday night, you are way way too cool to be seen watching lame old wrestling

Taker it Easy 06-28-2011 05:18 PM
*Clears Throat*

loopydate 06-28-2011 05:23 PM
Threads like these are the reason I blocked HBPunk months ago. My life is much more enjoyable because of it.

XL 06-28-2011 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3565576)
To be totally fair, probably Orton. Barrett's about at the same level as Punk, mic-wise.
:rofl:



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Originally Posted by Wolfpack423 (Post 3565730)
Personally, I would continue this feud into Summerslam, since his actual contract actually expires in September. Personally, having Cena vs. Punk or Punk vs. HHH maybe sounds alot better than Del Rio maineventing the second biggest show of the year. This is going to be the best feud in the WWE this year. Finally, they are presenting a feud I care about. The only other one I care about in WWE is The Rock vs. John Cena.
Where does this "Punk's contract actually ends in September" stuff come from?


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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3565756)
I do sort of agree with BDC about the shoot style promos, though. It's easy to just speak your mind outside of the confines of the "rules", but WWE (and professional wrestling in general) has created it own (cough) universe where things are just a certain way and we're happy to accept things as such. A REALLY good promo is one that is both pertinent to the story, but also works within the confines of the 'universe'.

As a nerdy internet fan, I did enjoy Punk's promo. It was poignant and it was delivered with a beautiful conviction, but let's not pretend that it took a tremendous amount of talent (which he definitely does have) to do it.
The Rock did the same thing and people here ate it up. Different rules for different fools?

HBPunk 06-28-2011 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 3565840)
Threads like these are the reason I blocked HBPunk months ago. My life is much more enjoyable because of it.
If i wanted to i could change IP address, different name etc. Just chill out man. If you read the thread you will see i was spot on with everything i said. Plus this is the most entertaining thread in weeks outside of the Raw ones. Come here and gimme a hug :yes:

BigDaddyCool 06-28-2011 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3565824)
HEY!!! We agree on something. So emmm, i dunno, you wanna maybe go out sometime? :)
Surprise, when you pull your head out of your ass and listen instead of getting all trolly we can find common ground.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by XL (Post 3565842)
Where does this "Punk's contract actually ends in September" stuff come from?

The Rock did the same thing and people here ate it up. Different rules for different fools?
1. It was mentioned months ago that his contract was up in the autumn.

2. The Rock is the biggest name in the history of wrestling, i said this in a thread months ago that he has now surpassed Hulk Hogan. I guess its just bias on some people's part. I think Punk's promo easily tops what Rock said on his return. Hell, even Cena's rap responding to Dwayne was better than anything Dwayne said

HBPunk 06-28-2011 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3565850)
Surprise, when you pull your head out of your ass and listen instead of getting all trolly we can find common ground.
And when you pull your head out of your ass and listen instead of getting all trolly we can find common ground too :)

HBPunk 06-28-2011 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Taker it Easy (Post 3565838)
*Clears Throat*
Seriously though, what the fuck is this shit?! I get banned 1,001 times and this asshole is accepted?!

BigDaddyCool 06-28-2011 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3565856)
And when you pull your head out of your ass and listen instead of getting all trolly we can find common ground too :)
I wasn't trolling this thread. When I am trolling, you will know.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3565863)
I wasn't trolling this thread. When I am trolling, you will know.
Ditto Daddyo

Juan 06-28-2011 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3565782)
Oh, I'm sorry. Are we not friends anymore because you're no longer King of The Forum? Well too damn bad. I serve a new king and that is NerF. You don't like it, kiss my ass, because with "friends" like you who needs enemies?
God you are such a tool.

dronepool 06-28-2011 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3565833)
Im pretty sure the entire population over the age of 11 prefers edgy over PG. I suggest you stick to your other plans next monday night, you are way way too cool to be seen watching lame old wrestling
I'd never break plans to watch RAW. Especially a taped RAW. I'd never break plans to watch any TV show in general.

Shadrick 06-28-2011 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3565875)
God you are such a tool.
At least he doesn't abuse mod pow-*gets mic cut off*

Krimzon7 06-28-2011 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3565759)
You should cut a CM Punk style shoot promo on your last day, sitting Indian style on top of your desk.
:rofl: at BDC actually assuming the Indian style position!!!

HBPunk 06-28-2011 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dronepool (Post 3565887)
I'd never break plans to watch RAW. Especially a taped RAW. I'd never break plans to watch any TV show in general.
Aww i know man, Monday at 9-11 is easily the most hectic time of the week for partying. You seem like such an awesome, cool guy i almost feel bad for you that you cant ever get a break what with all your plans. So many plans all the time, you must never rest. TV is only for losers aint it? How do you even get time out from all your crazy hectic plans to come to this site and type anything? Your probably way behind on all your plans for today just for coming here to tell us all about your plans.

Jordan 06-28-2011 08:37 PM
I love this angle, it makes it seems like anything could happen. The idea of an ECW 97 style ROH Invasion plagues my mind... Punk, Bryan, perhaps The Kings of Wrestling, fuck the Nexus that is a stable to dominate WWE.

Xero 06-28-2011 08:39 PM
The difference between ROH and ECW was that Heyman was a consultant, and I'm sure that played a HUGE part in getting help from Vince. Plus they had the common enemy in WCW.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dronepool (Post 3565828)
RAW wasn't even that great.. but Punk made me put the volume up and look away from my laptop for 10 minutes.

Not saying I'm gonna go out of way to catch RAW if I have plans, but he did something great last night.
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Originally Posted by dronepool (Post 3565887)
I'd never break plans to watch RAW. Especially a taped RAW. I'd never break plans to watch any TV show in general.

Can we help this poor guy? Maybe one of us could volunteer to help him with all his plans? He might never see Raw again even though he's a little too cool to watch it anyway. I know we all have no life so thats why we are free most MONDAY nights but this guy has just too many plans. He could only just lift his head from his laptop for ten mins to watch CM Punk this week, probably making so many plans at the time that he couldn't even watch it properly but he did turn the sound up so at least thats something.

HBPunk 06-28-2011 08:43 PM
And an ROH invasion would fall flat as 99% of the crowd would be going 'who?'. Hell 99% of the crowd say that when Daniel Bryan comes to the ring now and he's been in the WWE for over a year

Jordan 06-28-2011 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3566027)
The difference between ROH and ECW was that Heyman was a consultant, and I'm sure that played a HUGE part in getting help from Vince. Plus they had the common enemy in WCW.
Oh absolutely that's a great point. Though on the flip side there isn't anything preventing Punk from being that liaison of sorts. We all hear about Punk being "in the dog house" over the years but let us not forget who listened to Paul Heyman and went to ROH to evaluate Punk, Mister Heart Break Kid and The Game.

At least that was a report online many years ago.

Even more possible I think would be just a more forceful stable coming out featuring some of the guys I listed above but seperating itself from ROH, so perhaps not a proper Invasion of ROH, just Punk building a new Straight Edge Army to combat WWE, Vince, Cena, and as everyone hopes for Triple H.

Jordan 06-28-2011 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3566036)
And an ROH invasion would fall flat as 99% of the crowd would be going 'who?'. Hell 99% of the crowd say that when Daniel Bryan comes to the ring now and he's been in the WWE for over a year
It's all just my fan boy speculation anyway....

It wouldn't matter if nobody knew who they were, they know Punk, Bryan electrifies the crowd anytime he turns it up past 5, and if they do sign The Kings of Wrestling they would get over on impact (no pun intended).

In my fantasy I guess it wouldn't be an "ROH" invasion to anyone who didn't know ROH, but hardcore fans would obviously make a connection. I'd just have WWE sell it as Punk's indie friends, maybe mention ROH another time or two and then call them The Straight Edge Society.

Jordan 06-28-2011 08:51 PM
Even better, have Punk lose by getting a screwjob from Vince ala Montreal or something...

Punk returns as a manager with a new stable featuring Bryan and KOW (who work really well with a good manager IMO) all leading to Punk inevitable showdown with Cena, Game, Austin, or Vince..... I'd fuckin die

Xero 06-28-2011 08:55 PM
KOW are not getting a push that big and fast. Danielson I could see. Maybe throw in Nattie as their valet and another current talent to round it out.

dronepool 06-28-2011 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3566032)
Can we help this poor guy? Maybe one of us could volunteer to help him with all his plans? He might never see Raw again even though he's a little too cool to watch it anyway. I know we all have no life so thats why we are free most MONDAY nights but this guy has just too many plans. He could only just lift his head from his laptop for ten mins to watch CM Punk this week, probably making so many plans at the time that he couldn't even watch it properly but he did turn the sound up so at least thats something.
I don't think I'm cool, I just lost some interest (again) and if I watch it, okay cool.. if I don't.... big deal. If something interesting happened I'll read/hear about here. I'm not a hardcore fan, never was. I was never super enthusiastic about this product.

Yesterday I was waiting for a friend to come over and I had RAW in the backround while browsing the net pretty much.


I just rather go out after work now than go home and watch TV. I don't see the big deal here.


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