"The details when they come out," said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard, "are going to prove a little bizarre."

-from ajc.com



That's a little ominous

As of now none of us know what happened in the Benoit house. So for now i'll just say that he was one of the best wrestlers today..everytime he wrestled no matter who it was, honest to god I would look forward to it because I knew Benoit wouldn't let me down. Just as I type this Vince is actually in the ring! So i'm guessing they might drop the death angle.
R..I.P. Chris

Why Chris... why. You may have had your problems, but why take Nancy and your 7 year old son with you... Assuming Chris did it of course... this is so terrible.

I will say that I was happy how Vince McMahon handled this with appearing on TV in the beginning and explaining things.

I just hope this turns out to be the result of something other than domestic violence.

6/25/2007 11:47:00 PM

Another update on Benoit murder/suicide

by Dave Meltzer

Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today.

Benoit was found dead in his weight room. Nancy was found dead in the lving room. Daniel was found dead in his bedroom, accordig t an unnamed source in the department.

Lt. Tommy Pope told ABC News "the instruments of death were located on the scene," but didn't specify what those were or where they were found. Pope said the department was not actively searching for any suspects outside the house.



Ugh.

Yes that was total class from him. Just goes to show the old "you that you can't always judge a book by its cover", sort of thing.

I'm really having a hard time wrapping my brain around this one.

I mean, I'm usually cynical as fuck but...something just doesn't seem to add up.
This is a tragedy no matter what has happened, but my god.

Dear god, yeh that sounds really bad.

This is all just mind blowing right now. But if they are saying that it is a double murder suicide, I would almost want to hear that someone got to his wife and son, and maybe Chris just couldn't take it and took his own life. But no matter what, what ever happened is not going to be usual. I still can't believe it.

I feel this is a dream. A Serioudly FUCKED UP DREAM

We're all bummed and we didn't even know him. Imagine what's going through the heads of his peers right now...

I would have to say, however, that if he did do it (I shudder and pray he didn't), the timeline of everything makes sense. The stories say his wife and son died on Saturday. Perhaps when he called the WWE about that family emergency, he was totally telling the truth, in some really twisted and morbid and sinister way.

And by Monday, after a couple of days of realizing what he had done and what he had thrown away, he might have killed himself too.



I really hope the two above paragraphs are false, but I think we can't help but contemplate that possibility now.

If it was a murder-suicide, though, there has to be a note somewhere...

Testimonials of Dean and Step have been pulled from WWE.com again...more particularly the ones that spoke about him and his family.

This... This can't be.... GODDAMNIT!

OKay, these two statements are conflicting and from the same article on foxnews.com...

"Detective Bo Turner told television station WAGA that the case was being investigated as a murder-suicide"

"Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope, told The Associated Press that the deaths were being investigated as homicide"

Well... you can forget about ECW and SmackDown being tribute shows now, surely? There's no way WWE can plaster their TV shows with gushing tributes to a suspected murderer.

It will be a very tricky situation for them this week. I'm guessing we get "Best Of" shows for the rest of the week.

Well, I can't even think about it. I barely ate after it hit me right before dinner, and I think I'm gonna puke soon. I have a bad headache, and the thought of Benoit possibly doing it makes it worse.

Why do bad things happen to good people?

Sometimes, when you snap, you snap. The human mind is a frightfully fascinating thing, capable of intense generosity and sinister malevolence. When people go crazy, they do things they would normally ever even ponder doing.

I don't know what else to do but to speculate, even though that might be considered disrespectful.

This is definitely a tragedy no matter how it turned out it happened. It'll be interesting to see how the public reaction goes from here on out. And if it does turn out to be a worst case scenario, I can't imagine how WWE public relations is going to begin to salvage that mess.

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking too. I really do hope they drop the Vince McMahon whodunnit (especially since that implies murder as well) storyline. They don't have to explain anything. Fans will understand. And it's not like they haven't dropped storylines for no reason before.

No matter what the outcome is, it'll be

1. Shock
2. Sadness/Despair
3. Anger
4. Heated debate

What a crippler.

One thing I read was this...

The Cause might be a gas leak....Benoits wife and son became sick from the gas leak, causing him to come home. While he was home trying to take care of them the gas leak ends up getting all 3.

It is really a horror trying to put it through my head that Benoit would do it. Its been noted that they didnt have any stab or bullet wounds so it cant possibly be that. The only thing that hasnt been said was if there was any bruises or anything from possibly a beating.

Im afraid that I probably wont be able to stomach the news that is coming in the next couple of days.

Why are you guys so sure that there is no way Benoit could kill his wife and son? Do you know him or something? Of course his friends and co-workers are going to say he was a great guy and a family man after he died, I'm sure Hitler's buddies said that after his death too. For all we know Benoit was a psycho.

Join the club....
I'm not sure if I'd rather it remain an unsolved mystery or know the truth.

it is so odd.

If he killed his son the next day (Sunday) after killing Nancy Saturday, it kind of rules out the Temporary Insanity thing, and makes it more motivated.

He calls into work and doesnt show after committing murders, that does make sense though.

After several days of thinking about what he hsa done and what is ahead of himself, he Kills himself. That makes sense.

But I want to know more facts about the events leading to the Sunday call. Everything makes sense after the murders, nothing before it. He is not some crazy killer that would plan this, but who snaps for 2 days then comes out of it. I dont get it

His name is the CRIPPLER he has ice water flowing through his veins, I don't know how anyone didn't see this coming.

Regardless of what has happened, I'd just like to thank Chris Benoit for the many wonderful memories that he provided me as a wrestling fan.

I do not know Chris Benoit in real life, but I DO know (to a certain extent) Chris Benoit THE WRESTLER a.k.a. The Rabid Wolverine.

I remembered that first night when Benoit lead the Radicalz and shit kicked DX. I remember that night where Chris Benoit became World heavyweight Champion for the 1st time, only to celebrate with Eddie Guerrero afterwards. I remember Chris Benoit for his 5 star classic matches with Dean Malenko, Triple H, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, and many many more.

I do not "know" Steve Williams. I do not "know" Michael Hickenbottom, or Paul Levesque. Simiarly, I do not "know" Chris Benoit outside the WWE.

Based on his tremendous wrestling career however, I want to thank Chris Benoit for the many wonderful memories that he provided me.

God Bless. :heart:

Sincerely,

Kapil.

I hope he gets to read tha.... oh.

Fuck you and every goddamn thing you stand for. So it might be true that Benoit did it. It might not be true. While there is that one ray of light left in Pandora's box, let us hold onto it instead of trying to take it away. The only thing that is final is there are three people who are dead, and a world in shock.
Now it might be true that when someone passes away people mainly recall the good memories and block out the bad. It has happened in my family where some junkie with mental and legal problems killed himself. I know this happens. But youd on't have to be a total prick about it.
If Benoit ended up doing it then I'm sure we'll all be in shock. All we've seen is him in the ring, him not breaking kayfabe. And maybe you're idea of Benoit being a psycho is true. Until we know who did what please do us all a favor and shut the fuck up!

jordan x what is wrong with u?

I think the current theory is that he killed his wife and son both on Saturday.

That'd make for some sadistic irony to the report that he called WWE and said Daniel and Nancy were "coughing up blood."

And for all we know, Paul London really IS Jesus Christ himself.

But based on everything we've ever heard before this, it's hard to fathom something like this happening. Not unless you suspect anything from absolutely anybody.

Exactly, all you've seen him is in the ring. You don't know shit about what kind of person he is. That's why all these posts like "I refuse to believe Chris would do that" are ridiculous. Chris Benoit, the wrestler, was one of my favorites too. Chris Benoit, the person, I cannot vouch for--neither can any of you. But if it's true that he murdered his wife and 7-year-old son, then fuck him.

It's like saying there's no way Michael Richards could be a racist because Kramer had black friends.

I don't know all the circumstances, but is it possible that his wife called and sounded really disturbed or something, so he went home, only for her to go berserk and kill the whole family? I'm not quite sure why everybody is pinning this all on Benoit.

I really don't want to believe any of these scenarios. This is all so terrible.

Or perhaps the gas leak thing could be true...

He could've died at a later date since he was exposed to it after an extended period from the other two.

sigh

I dont think its really along the lines of us really thinking he couldnt do it...Because hell...anyone can kill anyone...

Its more along the lines of that we dont really want it to end up that he did it. We all dont want to believe that the guy we have looked up to in the ring week after week could do such a horrible I thing.

I refuse to believe it

Because, apparently, she died on Saturday, the kid on Sunday, and Benoit on Monday.

Think Heyman summed it up best. I have not watched wrestling since last august when I left for Brazil, but Benoit, the wrestler, the talent, was great and I will always remember being off my seat, up late, watching THAT Wrestlemania and the finish to that match.

If something sinister has happened, could be evil, lust, jealousy, or a mental imbalance, terrible accident, ANYTHING, we might never know motives or actual chains of events.

We do know who we watched for all those years though, and for that, we have to say thank you.

absolutely, it could have been Nancy, it could have been someone else - we aren't psychic's here. Although reports lean toward Benoit killing the family (primary suspect) which I imagine causes people to believe he was the killer, which might be true.



I remember my fav wrestlemania moment (Benoit winning the world championship), I guess it's best to think of the good right now, the happy memories.

I've stopped trying to make any sense of this in my brain, as the details that are coming in don't create any sort of sense either.

My thoughts exact;y.

This sucks. Big time. :nono:

Weird that they all died on seperate consecutive days

Even if it comes out to Murder/Suicide, like that asshole The Miz said, we didn't know Chris Benoit the person. We only knew Chris Benoit the performer. So you can't hate him for killing his wife and kid, IF he did that, because you don't know what he had going for or against him. I had a friend who killed his dad under the influence of Prozac. Do I hate him? No.

I found a video link from a local news report from where he lives.
http://www.cbs46.com/sports/13568106/detail.html
But no matter what the situation is, I will respect Benoit and miss him for what he did inside the ring.

I hear that bro. :y:

The more I read the more I get the feeling that no one has any concrete information about what the investigation actually is. There are so many conflicting reports.

ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!

^ Did CBS 46 just pull a clip from the Benoit DVD to support their "as of now, family members are remembering the good times" blurb??? :wtf:

Anyway, I think I'm done for today. I've been looking at this story too long anyway, and nothing's gonna happen till tomorrow at the earliest.

Deepest sympathies to the Chris and Nancy's friends and families. But until we figure out exactly what happened, the only victim I can feel sorry for at this point is little Daniel.

Corky out.

Don't believe the gas leak stuff at all. Chris killed his family. That's the most logical scenario at this point. No one wants to believe that, but not wanting to believe something doesn't make it untrue.


PS; Some of you guys are spazzes

Guys lets stop with the gas leak theory. Theres a certain progression that you go through when dieing from something like that. Eventually there would have been some attempt to go to a hospital.

When the story first broke, all I could think was "I bet Kevin Sullivan Finally got revenge"

But as the day goes on, Its looking so much worse.

This is all so sad. I don't even know what kind of emotion that I am feeling right now

I'm withholding judgement til we find out for sure what happend, but Benoit was by far my favorite wrestler of all time.

Fuck this, and fuck RP for his "it's still real to me" refrence. I'm going to try to get some sleep tonight....

go fuck yourself.

WWE.com is reporting the official statement is that Chris killed his family....they say that they have furthur evidence but the police wont let them release it as of yet.

:'( :'(

Don't believe the gas leak stuff at all. Chris killed his family. That's the most logical scenario at this point. No one wants to believe that, but not wanting to believe something doesn't make it untrue.



Sorry Hero but how can you say that for sure atm? Just cause you believe it, doesn't make it true, either.

Hey, it wasn't you. Sorry. It's just every conversation I've had with wrestling fans in the last three days (except one) has had someone saying "It's still real to me, damnit" and I'm sick of it.

I was at work when the news broke. My friend just text me with Benoit was found dead and I was just stunned. The reason I was still watching wrestling is gone. Someone who I watched in matches and respected everything he did in the ring. He's now gone and probably commited some horrible acts.

Either way, this is very sad and it's just hard to believe.

Hmmmm, well fair enough if its being reported..but still, shocking i feel worse for his family than him. The question still remains as to why?

I read the first page of this thread just to see reactions and compare them to mine and instead I damn near cried. I'm playing "Beat It" and cartoon theme songs right now! This shit is so heavy man... Me and my friend were coming up with stupid topics during commercial breaks like, "That Transformers movie looks nice" and stuff like that.

GOD DAMMIT!!! Guys, FUCK

I'm contemplating, seriously contemplating not watching pro-wrestling anymore. Just casually keep up with results and such like Smallville or something. It's not even entertaining anymore and I don't think I'll be able to take it seriously when Mr. McMahon's dead again after seeing his ass was in a WWE ring tonight. I don't feel like seeing HBK or even Torrie fucking Wilson (who I hate to see on TV) one week and dead the next. These are people you see weekly and invest attention to them. They speak and move and make gestures at you and BOOM - "So and so is found dead."

Does anybody feel me on this? If I'm overreacting just give me a good old red-dot and I'll begin the slow walk back to business as usual.

Thats gonna make ECW intensly awkward

Folks...can ya do me a favor? Stop with the speculation until we have some solid proof? All this speculation is rather...dissapointing.

Was McMahon at raw tonight?

Yeah RP he stood in the ring and revealed his own death was a storyline, could've atleast said 'fake'. I'm also probably gonna stop watching, i was going to anyway before Vengeance but this is like the final nail in the coffin.

For me, the show must go on. You cannot blame what happened with Chris Benoit on WWE, The McMahon family, or anyone else.

I might watch ECW just to see what's going on, and read SmackDown's spoilers.

Im not blaming it on WWE, just i don't feel i have a reason to watch now especially after how shit Vengeance was, as i said, this was before Benoits death.

I simply cannot believe this.

I have watched Benoit ever since he joined the WCW roster full-time. This is a character study, a psychology study. None of us know Benoit, but we feel like we do. Then something like this happens and we totally have to re-evaluate what we THINK we know.

No matter what comes of this, nothing will change what I thought of Benoit the wrestler, the man who went out there and gave 100% + every night. Easily the best in-ring worker I've ever had the pleasure of watching.

R.I.P. to all three of them and prayers to his family, frieds and co-workers.

As for Vince, the angle was fiction and this is reality, and McMahon made that clear. I will not try to make them seem like they were somehow related like some fans are. Two entirely different incidents, and I'll treat them as such. McMahon showed a lot of class by canceling the show and dropping the angle. WWE has done everything right in my book.

The WWE must have some reliable Info. They would never put out he was a killer unless it was definite. Not to save his name, but for their own pockets. Now they had a Murderer on the payroll. They must KNOW, because this is going to hurt them.

FUCK YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR

I don't want to believe it, but everything certainly points in the direction of some sort of murder-suicide. Who did what, who knows. But the overwhelming evidence has the authorities saying they think Benoit did it. Like I said, I hate that this happened, but I'm not going to refuse to believe it because he was one of my favorite wrestlers.

WWE.com wouldn't put anything hinting at Benoit being a killer if they didn't have just reason to believe it. Maybe there's some off-chance everyone is wrong, but with the statements coming so quickly, that seems unlikely.

The best we can do is remember Chris for his career and try not to pretend we know stuff we really don't.

Getting off the subject just a little bit...something Im really proud of is that for once something huge has happened and we dont have fifty billion different threads about it. Finally for once everything about one thing is kept in one thread.

Thank You everyone who had decided to post in this thread instead of going off and posting 30 other threads about this...

On a day like today its good to only have to read from one place other than reading fifty different places.

i hope this makes wrestling cool again

If they even report that anything bad that has been talked about is true I still am not going to agree with it...I dont want to believe it.....

My god no :(

R.i.P Chris

You Will always be the greatest in our eyes

Dammit man :(

Naitch you are not, and never will be cool, so stop trying and stfu you prick.

Damn, i really don't know what to think, but damn, Benoit was one of the best wrestlers out there and he will surely be missed

I agree.

Will anyone here respect Benoit less if it's confirmed that he was the murderer? Not saying anyone should, just wondering...

I already have done...i respect Benoit the wrestler but Benoit the person is a disgrace for doing this...

The action, whoever committed it (presumably Benoit) is absolutely disgraceful. None of us would disagree with that. But is a person a disgrace for one action? A sad soul, yes, a very troubled and conflicted person - I bet he was high at the time - but I'm interested to see what others think about him being a disgrace.

To kill your family is a disgraceful thing to do, which makes you a disgraceful person, i dont want to believe it either, but it happened, apparently.

Aren't we all a little curious to see what weapons were used? If it really was Benoit who did this, did he even need any weapons??

I would assume weights were used as the weapons.

I'm really hoping Benoit didn't kill his family. Maybe more likely he killed himself in grief over losing his wife and son.

BTW, did WWE.com take down the videos completly? I've been trying to find them

Knife Edge Chops

And yeah, they've taken down the video's.

Even ssnews reported it now, that was weird. Just said what wwe.com said.

According to an article I was reading on ESPN.com "The WWE reported on its Web site on Monday night that friends received several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

I'm guessing that, coupled with that quote about how the evidence will be a little bizzare may be the reliable info... I don't know. Obviously if there was some seriously horrible info in the texts sent Sunday morning, it would have been taken care of Sunday morning I would assume.

It doesn't say in what condition the bodies were in, that's important to remember. Just because it said there were no bullet wounds doesn't mean there were no wounds of any type. I think that immediately makes us think of strangulation or something else. There are numerous other things that could have happened, far too many to speculate on.

As to whether or not this changes my perception of him... well, I didn't know him, but the way I imagined him seems very much in line with how his peers describe him: Passionate, took his work seriously, timid but tough, etc. This may or may not change how I percieve him as a person. I just don't know. I see people on the news all the time accused of such things and I think they're animals, now one of my idols is dead and accused of a heinous act and I have a hard time thinking of him as I do the others who have done the same thing.

I'm sorry if this comes off funny but I would assume Chris Benoit wouldn't need a weapon to kill a woman and a child.

I have saved some of the vids in the FLV? format, but you can d/l players to play them if anyone wants them. Think I got them all apart from CM Punk's.

Uhh.. No

I don't even know what to think. Benoit was one of my all time favorites, and really one of the only reasons I've even been remotely interested in wrestling at all these last couple years. As a performer he will always be one of the absolute best at professional wrestling, bar none.

Who knows how or why any of this happened. Part of me knows the evidence is saying he's a murderer, part of me is holding onto the belief that there will be another scenario found and his name will be cleared. I've been reading some of the posts and I agree with a lot of what's been said, and some people have just made assholes of themselves. But all I can say is if Chris Benoit did kill his wife and son, he was a piece of shit, plain and simple. You can find a way to condone killing someone if it was in the heat of the moment and the killer is sorry, but to kill a child? And moreover to kill your own child? That's just fuckin twisted and evil. I don't want this to sound like I'm jumping to conclusions, because I sincerely, sincerely hope Benoit did not do this. I want to remember him as a great performer and speak positively of his wrestling ability. And right now all of this is just theory and speculation anyway. Either way, Benoit was a great wrestler and no matter what happened he will always be one of the best in his profession.

My prayers go out to his family and friends and to Nancy's family and friends. This is truly a sad day for pro wrestling and for pro wrestling fans.

There's about a 95% chance Benoit is going into the hall of fame next year.