In typical Noid fashion, I watched the main event on YouTube and was thoroughly disappointed by CM Punk's sloppy ass attempting moves that could potentially injure his opponents. His in-ring work is subpar and his ring gear is an eyesore.

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I didn’t catch that bit. No one seems enthused about a heel turn. I’d definitely go down the fake out root.

“Hey, last week you cheated. Young me would have done the same thing. But he careful about the path you walk, because there are still people whose feathers are ruffled. And they get away with lies and politics and maybe that sticks because I’ve got those enemies. You’ve got the natural talent and the drive to make a lot of enemies. I’m not going to be one of them.”

Punk vs. White is probably your main event. Would make sense. Have that spill into chaos at the end with Bullet Club Gold, Samoa Joe. You could even have House of Black and Andrade get involved after The Acclaimed take up the right cause after beating HOB earlier. Just for some new names in there. Big brawl to close the show. You either have no Starks or Starks make the final save.

Teasing the heel turn could be interesting.

Actually, I like that idea: Punk is getting beat down by Jay White, Juice Robinson and The Gunns. Juice tries to go into Punk’s bag, but it’s a fake reveal because Punk knew something would go down. FTR have been hurt earlier in the show. Or they’re on other assignment. The Acclaimed make the save because they’re in the house and faces. House of Black hits. Andrade tries to make the save ahead of his big singles match with Malakai, but it’s 7 on 5.

Samoa Joe comes out and starts helping the heels. The crowd is chanting for Ricky Starks. Miro or Powerhouse Hobbs makes the save instead. Hobbs works thematically for me. Moro is the bigger star.

Starks doesn’t show up. He was washing his hair.

So Collision next week would be:

* Ricky Starks/CM Punk promo establishing Punk isn’t mad at Starks. Be careful of the enemies you make.

* The Acclaimed beating House of Black to win the six-man belts. Andrade challenges Malakai for the next week.

* Powerhouse Hobbs dumps QTV on Rampage and squashes one of them on Collision. QT Marshall would be fine. This explains why he’s in the building.

* You’d do something with Ruby Soho and her frustration at not winning the tournament and her buddies not being there. Maybe Ruby & Saraya vs. Willow & Skye Blue? Or throw another face in there and do the whole Outcasts. Whatever.

* Ricky Starks would logically wrestle. Makes sense to put him in the building and give him a logical reason to not get involved. If he disrespected Liger, a veteran or even someone from Japan would make sense. Christopher Daniels or something could work.

* CM Punk vs. Jay White, big brawl angle.

The show kind of takes care of itself.

Oh don't get me wrong, Dynamite is the same show, all the faults, all the nonsense, but just with different people that flip a bit more and the goofy shit that is Moxley and all that comes with it. It is still Tiny booking for shit though.

Collision has got that attention to detail though. You can tell people who listen to Jim Cornette have got their hands on the show. Well, Tony hears Jim Cornette every week too. He just doesn’t listen.

Dynamite still largely the drizzling shits. When you hear Matt Hardy or Jon Moxley or Chris Jericho talk, you just have to question how insane it is anyone would let them near creative or put them in anything resembling a leadership role.

Wish Sho Funaki would come back and become #1 Dynamite announcer!

Is Blood & Guts this week? I’d like them to do a Ricky Starks segment where Punk confronts him. Helps boost that show. Punk can challenge Samoa Joe to a Fight Without Honor at the end of it. Then you’ve got Punk/Joe and The Acclaimed & Billy Gunn vs. House of Black set up for Collision.

Collision on soon. They’ve got their work cut out for them following that modern classic Blood & Guts this week.

let's see if starks is a heel

oh he is ric flare

everone is goofing on jersey

miro time

uh oh billy gunn is retiring left his boots in the ring

yep starks is a heel a good one

Let's take a guy who worked hard and got over, and turn him heel to appease the idiot booker's dream of booking his favorite wrestler as a babyface.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Skipped a bunch on DVR viewing. Was the show pretty decent?

Collision looked good. Punk and Starks tore up up on the mic. The inclusion of Darby was good. Christian felt…tacked on to me. He shouldn’t be that “stupid.” I dunno. I also didn’t like his gear in the main event. Not a fan of CM Trunks returning either.

Billy Gunn returning means you might as well pack it up.

"Tore It Up" :roll:

I know you especially hate The Elite (they suck, no arguments), but can we not pretend the guy getting booed out of the building and doing cartwheels is anything but gutter trash at this point?

CM Punk is a good performer, dude. I get you hate him, but there’s a reason he has this company by the balls.

Punk hit all the points he should have hit. Starks did his part really well too. You can also tell they listen to Cornette because they didn’t render Schiavone useless.

No one is ever going to hate cm punk like you do.

Wrong. /Trump

So I ended up catching some of the highlights on YouTube and in typical Noid fashion, I'll present my thoughts and sheer disgust at the quality of the show.

One thing that stands out to me as a veteran professional wrestling fan is the how distinct the show is in terms of its in-ring content. It separates itself from Dynamite which is a good thing. Relying on stars who are past their prime like Christian Cage and CM Punk, shoving them in the main event scene for the sake of TRP is not edgy or creative. Using older superstars as a crux was what made fans livid at WWE and I wish they bring the same energy here.

I mean this as sincerely as I possibly can, CM Punk is extremely sloppy and dangerous in the ring. If anything, John Cena's in-ring style was more refined and polished in comparison. There's no cohesion when it comes to his moves or his ring gear. He comes across as a jabroni mark to be completely honest. For someone who prides himself in being "straight edge", he looks and moves like a homeless meth addict. He needs to take it easy on the donuts and Pepsi. The way Christian hit his head on the guard rail after the GTS was scary.

While Darby Allen makes Rey Mysterio look like "The Big Red Machine" Kane, he's genuinely one of the best acts that the company has produced. Do I believe he deserves to be world champion some day? Absolutely, not. While AEW's world title is devoid of the "heavyweight" naming scheme, Darby Allen should never win the big one. He has to remain true to his second rate Tommy Dreamer underdog aspirations. He should never be world champion.

Towards the end of the match, when Luchasauras interferes, Starks takes less than 2 seconds to recover from the supine position to go grab Darby from the top rope!!! I mean, what the actual fuck are we doing anymore? https://youtu.be/WrGDt7EmjFw?t=331 Starks' opening promo was terrible as well. People need to chill with the Rock comparisons, not because they don't have any merits, it's because they're spending too much energy on someone who's going to be relegated to the indies in less than three years. He's not special. Wrestling marks will get behind anyone...seriously.

I didn't have the energy to sit through the trios title match because of how bored I am of the Acclaimed. They have 1/10th the charisma or star power of Enzo Amore and Big Cass when they first debuted on the main roster. They have nothing to offer besides the "scissor me daddy" gimmick. It was adorable at first, now it's just cringe.

Don't want to talk about Miro...he's fine and Taya is the drizzling shits. Skye Blue has overachieved and doesn't deserve any television time. It's not like the fans are craving for it...maybe it's a Tony thing. I don't know...I don't trust that guy. It's a travesty how they're misusing Jay White. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Overall, I'll give this show a lenient 1 star out of 5 Doug Basham vs Nick Dinsmore 2/3 falls OVW matches. Can't believe this show even exists. Should just call it Rampage+ :nono:

That is exactly who Tiny Khan talks like. Everything is the best, greatest, huge, massive success, etc.

Tell that to everybody that was booing him :lol:

It’s weird. Ticket sales go up and the audience is mostly boos.

Went up from what, exactly? It is a new show, but it doesnt sell as many tickets as Dynamite. It didnt even sell as many tickets as Rampage's debut either.

Phil sold more tickets than they used to sell for Collision, before it existed, but other than that...

Yeah, I mean, that’s it. Tickets were abysmally low. Punk is announced, they go up. Yet the fans are still booing him. I’d suggest it is performative.

Started watching the July 8th episode from Regina, SK just to "check it out".... "cool" to see the locations they did their shouty promos from at the start of the show and know exactly where they were....

Arena looked good... they made it look way bigger than it actually is.....

Turned it off midway through the first match though cause I got better things to do

Just got home from South Bend. What the fuck! Where all you fools at?! IT'S COLLISION TIME, BAY BAY

Eating a slice of Sbarro in Triple A's honour

Holy shit! The Forums still are fucking slow and fucked. No wonder no one is discussing the hottest wrestling show on television.

Come on, Andrade

Hell yeah another title belt. AEW doesn't have nearly enough of those.

Damn! that ladder spot was cool

Break free, Anie!

Jesus, another banger of a match brought to you by AEW Collision on TNT! bah god!

Rarity. Gonna forward through a Darby match...no interest in this match.

Lol..sending him back to Hot Topic

It's Sweet Tooth in the flesh

lol, this Gravity jabroni again?

Kill him, Needles!

Musk gonna be pissed at the CM Punk X belt!

damn...thought Storm versus Shida was tonight. fuck me

Main event should be gr8. I'm here for it

I recognise CM Punk as the AEW and Lineal World Champion.

I thought he was (MTV’s) The Real World Champ. The Miz gonna challenge for the belt.

So MJF was there, but he just didn't care that Phil is calling himself the World Champion???

Tiny is such a good and logical booker! :roll:

lost my power yesterday missed a great show. i love the clips of ftr and max pizza booze part waiting for the hulu streaming

MJF was just so thrilled about having a friend for the first time. Nuanced storytelling.

yeah it looks like a big fake face turn for mjf i want to see where this goes with cole

Collision felt weird this week. Not necessarily bad weird, but just a bit of weird. I honestly think it’s mainly the CM Punk World Champ thing. I felt a bit of whiplash how they’re all acting.

This past week's edition of Collision was an absolute dumpster fire. Way to make your world's champion look like a fucking joke...unbelievable :nono:

Just got home and starting

Ricky can't pronounce consequences no gewd.

They should have swapped the last two Collision shows somehow.

They should have swapped the last two Collision shows somehow.

I'm not sure what Tony is up to....

prince iaukea vibes with the patch Punk didn't shave

CM Fraud has been mindbroken for 450 days over this. He is STILL crying about this 450 days later. He has ALL these things to say when Adam Page in not in the same building, but when it happened, face to face, all he had the balls to say was "why are you so angry" and "I respect you".

Phil is such a coward.

lol I love how they supposedly sent Hangman home before this happened. "Get out of here so I can talk shit about you after you leave without getting my ass whooped for it!"

Same with Brawl Out, that press conference doesnt happen that way if Hangman is in the building. It is clearly one thing to talk shit about the EVPs because there is that caveat that they are executives, so if it goes wrong Phil has a case against the company itself. But another independent wrestler who outweighs him by 40 pounds and is 12 years younger is another animal entirely.

Because Page made a vague reference in a promo, Phil really was scared Page was going to shoot beat his ass on PPV. Phil being the bitch he is, went and cried to his fanboy boss about it and talks shit anytime he can, as long as the guy is not in the same arena.

Anybody else remember how Phil vehemently denied having anything to do with Colt Cabana being removed from AEW? That doesn't really hold up when Phil is having Hangman, Ryan Nemeth, and Matt Hardy removed from Collision because he is such a bitter piece of shit, right?

It's going to be absolutely amazing when someone suddenly shoots on Punk in a match.

Adam Page was the most unprofessional fuck ever for that ambush all that time ago. He doesn’t really deserve the Collision treatment of being made to look better than he is. Matt Hardy is a total POS and has been very vocal against Punk in the past (look up the video of a loaded Jeff Hardy talking shit and trying to take credit for Punk). Ryan Nemeth apparently made a jab at Punk on social media so Punk isn’t going to go out of his way to curate his career.

It’s funny that The Elite cry about Colt Cabana being messed with by Punk when they have the record of sabotaging guys. And Britt Baker with the girls. With the Punk/Cabana stuff it wasn’t so much whether or not Punk did it. It’d make sense for him to make it a condition of bringing him in. It’s about what actual bullshit it was and how it was fabricated to keep AEW from improving because they’re insecure about their work.

A hilarious thing about all this is how Punk‘a awful UFC record hangs over this. No one wanta to be the next guys that try and fuck with Punk and take the embarrassing L of getting their ass handed to them by a guy who can’t fight professionally. So you get all this skulking around, Jericho making comments after things are over, etc.

CM Phil also got Christopher Daniels, the respected veteran and HEAD OF TALENT RELATIONS, kicked out of Collision also. The reasoning being that Christopher Daniels was a witness to the backstage fight, and IF Ace Steele (who threw chairs and bit people) is banned from Collision, so should Christopher Daniels.

Being present is the same as throwing chairs and biting people, according to Phil...

If Tony Khan gave CM Punk any kind of authority to kick his roster or management out of the building than he is a bigger mark than there ever has been.

If CM Punk wants to go full fledged heel and this is his way and its been worked out then it will be subtly brilliant.

If this is just CM Punk spouting shit on the mic because he can and he's stupid and is brain damaged enough from his UFC fights and is just taking shots at Hangman and Ziggler's brother while also complaining about being "chopped" by the House of Black while kicking out Matt Hardy and Christopher Daniels then HAHA... Tony Khan is fucked... this does not end well, AGAIN! He's put himself into a whole lot of legal jeopardy on a bunch of different fronts

I'm not sure which to believe because I frankly would never have left CM Punk back into the fold unless The Elite were okay with it. If they weren't and he still did it, HOLY FUCK that man is stupid and would probably explain the "They took a vote and everyone flip flopped and were unsure of what to really do" contract negotiations.

Re: Christopher Daniels: If he actually did get “kicked out” (more reliable folks than Meltzer are saying 2 of the rumored 4 are true), it’d be useful to know what his role has been in the fight/the backstage drama, considering he is Talent Relations. If he was unprofessional and has been part of the problem, then it’s pretty understandable why Punk might call a shot and keep him away.

It’s also possible he was sent home because there weren’t plans to use him.

Adam Page and Matt Hardy are the 2 I’d believe. Punk also saying something Page kind of confirms it.

I still think it's funny how the Cabana shit gets brought up when they were already not using the guy well before CM Punk coming to AEW was even a thought. They were dragging out a supposed drama of "will he/won't he" join the Dark Order bullshit. To say "the crowd went mild" is overselling it. It didn't even look like HE cared about the angle. Hell, until that Jericho match, I thought Colt got the Chavo Gurerro treatment.

This.

A thing that has always been funny to me about it is the fact that, yes, CM Punk was pretty delusional thinking he could just jump into something that people have spent most of their lives working towards... but at the same time, it isn't like he went in off the street with zero training whatsoever. He put in work. Just not the same amount of work someone who has amateur wrestling backgrounds and years of grappling and standup work ahead of him.

I personally could start going to a boxing gym and luck my way into a professional heavyweight fight. I'll prob'ly get my ass handed to me in said professional fight. I will also be able to easily take out any shithead in a bar who thinks he's tough and thinks he can outbox me after seeing me eat shit on a PPV. Both things can be true.

An 0-2 UFC record is only funny in the context of him fighting in the UFC, not throwing knuckles with some dicks in a backstage fistfight. That is an absolute false equivalence whether you "like" CM Punk or not.

But the worst part of it is exactly how all of this "news" just keeps showing up for no reason, and then any clarifications or retractions are kinda slow to show up. Starts with the instant clickbaity "CM PUNK HEAT WITH RYAN NEMETH" and then the whole "they talked it out and it wasn't as bad as we made it sound" just kinda slips under the radar. Punk gets the headline, and saying how horrible he is gets the attention. Hit job done.

Phil was mad that Ryan Nemeth was saying hello to people at the hotel before the show, but did not say hello to Phil.

I am not bullshitting, he didnt say hi to Phil so Phil had him sent home lol

That reads to me like “be on your best behavior.”

*guy isn’t on his best behavior*

“Ok, go home if you’re going to have that attitude.”

Now Nemeth gets to go and see how the Wednesday crew use a guy like him after 4 years of just…not. He might get one or two spite uses. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you, folks.

The best he can hope for is being given a gimmick like his brother had for his re-debut. “Hi, I’m Dirk Ziggler.”

Shit keeps dropping lol

So apparently Phil shot down some spot Jungle Boy wanted to do using real glass.

Punk got in his face (because of course he would act tough to Jack Perry lol) saying that "they don't do that kind of stuff on Saturday night" and "go back to Dynamite". He also claimed that Jungle Jack had a tantrum, although I must have missed that since it didnt happen at a media scrum.

So the guy who wants no confrontations or drama has gotten into the face of 2 wrestlers, got the Head of Talent Relations kicked off the show, is cancelling people's bookings, and is still taking shots at the guys he claims he wants to apologize to and do business with.

Oh and he was mad at House of Black and scolded them because they chop too hard.

I mean, who ever could have imagined this kind of stuff happening???

I mean...you can't blame him for wanting to protect Jack Perry from himself. He wasn't the only one who was against the idea (Tony and the medical staff). Punk has made a lot of questionable decisions but I'm not going to hold that one against him.

I mean I agree with not letting Jungle Jobber do it for safety concerns, but the way Punk supposedly handled it isn't the best. He shouldn't be handling any of these situations all things considered. TK should have been the one to tell him no, or maybe Daniels.

According to the original report (which came from SRS, so it probably has an anti-Punk taint anyway), numerous veterans, including Tony Schiavone, had an issue with the glass thing. Punk was nominated to talk to Jungle Boy. It was JB that threw the tantrum.

Exactly, Phil does not have the temperament to be the one trying to talk to other talent ever.

He’s done a great job heading up Collision so far. The biggest mistake is probably inviting the indy-minded dolts onto the Collision side. Why would you use a Matt Hardy, Adam Page or Jungle Boy there? Keep it the logical wrestling show.

:roll:

looks like a good show

punk kicked joes ass

long time since i saw a dalton match still has his boys

just tuning in

Watching right now. Dalton Castle is horrendous

Dalton Castle is a great act, are his back injuries legit? Kind of feels like if they are that might stop him being more than he is sadly. He would fit well in the TNT title hunt I reckon.

Punk vs. Joe... Meh. Segment was ok but I just dont care that much tbh.

Main event was pretty fire but anytime Darby or Christian are in the mix your probably getting something solid or better so the math checks out.

FTR vs. Bucks is gonna be mint, probably my main reason to purchase the PPV.

Was it just me or was the Hobs vs. Miro thing awkward? Hobbs facials which are normally pretty good were weird as hell.

It's a great act for a jobber or something, for sure. Guy won't ever draw a dine. Him competing for the TNT title would somehow give it an even worse legacy than it already has

Agree to disagree I guess, I think its an entertaining gimmick and his in ring work looked like that of a competent guy trying to be flamboyant.

I don't think hes the second coming of Austin or anything but as a mid card act hes eye catching, commits to the gimmick and can work. Could make a nice foil for OC as a heel as well but I'm not sure how over the top flamboyant man as a heel works in this day and age.

Love Dalton Castle.

SRS hinted that The Elite may appear on tonight's show.

Wonder if Christopher Daniels is allowed to be there to do his job now.

Doing his job isn’t a problem. Doing his job properly is.

What is Noid inferring?

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