If you want to look at it as me narrowing down I guess you can. I have no problem with you seeing it that way. Yeah stuff that goes on in America is going to be more important to me than other things, if that's narrowing down so be it.

Supreme's question was a layup. Yours have been more complex than was this bad.

Thanks, I'm not going to lie and say something matters to me just because most of you don't agree.

It is though. It's not just me "seeing it that way". It is. By definition. There's a lot of countries. You care about the goings on of one. You've literally narrowed down what you care about from the entire world to one country. Why are you being so defensive about that phrasing?

Am I being defensive? The one country I care about is the one I live in. How do you not understand that. Why should I care about anther country?

This is a weird roadblock to be stuck at. There's a field of all countries to care about. You've... cut... down the field to one? Does that phrasing work better for you? Can you agree to that?

I feel like "Do you agree that only caring about the one country you live in as opposed to all the countries of the world is narrowing down which parts of the world you care about?" should be a layup. Like... Michael Jordan in a bathtub with one of those toy basketball hoops for 3 year olds level layup.

Fan. Forget about why. I don't care why right now. I understand the one country you care about is the one you live in. Forget all of that.

I'm trying to make you understand something but your refusal to acknowledge the fact that caring about only the one country you live and not all others is an act of narrowing down what you choose to care about is where we're stuck at right now.

I don't need you to tell me what you care about again. I don't need you to try to start a discourse about why you should care about another country. That's all irrelevant to this one thing I'm trying to get out of you so I can move on to the main point I'm trying to explain to you.

You have a world to potentially care about. While others might care about the entire world, you've narrowed it down to your country as far as what you actually care about. Is that a fair assessment?

Yeah that's fair and has been obvious this whole conversation. Not sure what you are hung up on or what you're missing.

I genuinely believe people have a problem with honesty. You are admitting to something a lot of people believe but don't say.

I have an emotional connection to the Holocaust. As a child learning about it was my first glimpse of what evil looked like. However, there have been terrible atrocities committed throughout history and I don't have an emotional response to them. No normal human being is going to be upset about some murdered people from 700 AD. That shit is ancient history.

I still feel for victims of oppression and senseless violence across the world, but not nearly as much as my neighbors. Proximity breeds empathy.

I'm hung up on it because you said this early on the page...

and then took half the page to finally admit that wasn't the case.

But now that you've said it's fair and even obvious that you're narrowing down what you care about...

When I say you could narrow it down further and only care about your region or your state or your county or your city or your street, I'm pointing out that it's trivial that you narrow it down from the world to your country (which you just admitted you're doing) and then you just stop narrowing it down right there.

When I ask you why you choose to narrow it down to that and then stop narrowing it down further and you say "Well those things are part of America", it makes no... sense. It doesn't answer the question. I'm well aware that those things are part of America. If you're going to narrow down what you care about, why not keep going past all of America and saying "I'm from (whatever state you live in) so I only care about what's going on in that state"?

Dude you need to let this go. Tonnes of people have views on the world for the most trivial reasons. It’s not hard to understand that the guy cares more about issues at home rather than in the wider world; there are political parties/campaigns built solely on that idea.

I don’t agree with his viewpoint at all, but I can understand it. I can also understand why he can’t explain to you in a satisfactory way the rationale behind his thinking; he’s got a narrow point of view.

At this point I'm just trying to get him to understand that it's trivial. And why "but my street, city, state, etc. are part of America" isn't a proper response. I'd take an "Aww, I get it now. Yeah, I guess it's trivial. Whatever." right now. Forget his narrow point of view at this point. Just wanna get out of this "Who's on First" routine.

I'd also like to ask about whether he cares about shit that happens in Alaska and Hawaii but I'm afraid that would lead to another one.

quiet foreigner. you don't exist - fan

:shifty:

anywho

Vince gonna force the dudes that said they didn't want to go?

It's different when said media is WWE.

He doesn't listen to positive media reports from the media either. Pretty sure he said the positive news he's believing is from WWE's Saudi propaganda video.

Yeah. What Sixx said.

Yeah "We can drive now, Saudi Arabia is a great place for us women!"

Stop guys Saudi Arabia isn't that bad. At least they don't have a "Commander-in-chief' Praising people who body slam reporters or being a terrible misogynist.

Congrats, you win "The Absolute Lamest Dig at Bush" award.

Fucking commie.

Bush? What are you drunk?

what if undertaker and shawn mackels both get injured in saudi rabia and have to retire

What if the Prince sees Shawns playgirl issue and he gets beheaded at the PPV.

What if Tony Chimel shows up 'outta nowhere' and gives Randy Ortan a RKO!!

Nah, I meant Trump.

It's the same thing all over basically.

what if the game triple h tear a quad

I would choose the Saudi regime over Trump any day.

This just proves you know nothing about anything and just jumped the Trump Hate bandwagon.

I know nothing? Don't you hear all over the news that Trump is encouraging hateful rhetoric? People are sending bombs because of that!!!

You don't live here people are fighting in the streets because Trump green lights attacks on the media. Triple A sucks.

This is a thread about Crown Jewel/Saudi Arabia please stop trying to be a low-rent version of Swiss.
He is much better at highjacking threads.

Okay I don't identify as an earthling, I identify as an American and my starting point is from America so don't see it as narrowing anything down. God had me born in America for a reason. That's fine if you see it like that and I understand your point but I just don't look at it like that.

What does every1 think Hulk Hogan will do at CROWN JEWEL??

Do you not identify as an earthling because it's a funny word? What about human? Do you identify as a human?

Grab a random rich guy in the crowd and give him a big boot and a legdrop. Hulk Hogan fights for the rights of every man and it will all come crashing down and hurt inside for the murderers.

:y:

Yeah we're all human but the biggest thing that sets us apart is where we're born.

Well, your ancestors at some point making the decision to move to this specific part of the world and your parents not moving to another country before you were born is the reason you were born in America. But let's not go off on THAT path.

Duh, and anybody can come to America as long as they do it legally.

this thread is amazing.

Also I don't think God made me born here for a reason. Just luck of the draw really.

Maybe. If you're intent on setting yourself apart and only caring about the group you set yourself apart with.

Many people would say the biggest thing that sets us apart is not where we're born but our race. And instead of caring about everyone they only care about their race. Those people are assholes.

Nah race doesn't set us apart but that goes back to the fake news wanting people to believe that.

lol fake news. Good god man.

Orton RKOd god out of existence when he was born so blatant lie on your part

Damn, you got me I guess.

fuck crown jewel it's almost rdr2 time

I LOVE SIMPLE FAN!

You probably are Simple Fan dummy yeah

He's not Simple Fan.

So you find it trivial for someone to only care about the people within their race but not for people to only care about the people in their country. I see.

God made you that race for a reason.

Racism only started existing when fake news became a thing. EXPLAIN.

it's true. I'm only aware of one racism in history.

Patriotism > Racial Pride

It a long time ago in a land not so far away. Thank goodness my parents kicked racism in the face and killed it during the 70s.

Is it trivial though? Where one's from forms what's of importance to them. If someone thinks race is what sets us apart I'd have to disagree with them but I wouldn't call it trivial.

America is the best country on Earth. Even when it sucks, it sucks less than everywhere else.

My favorite thing is when someone tells me their sociology professor told them all cultures are equal. I wonder how many people who think this also have a problem with WWE going to Saudi Arabia. I bet it's a high number.

Race is just evolutionary sun exposure in my opinion. Yeah I believe in God and evolution.

*SENDS FACEBOOK FRIEND REQUEST*

I don't do Facebook.

We’re not talking about patriotism or racial pride though. You can be proud of your country and still care about people from other countries. You can be proud of your race and still care about people of other races.

Gutted to know that, as a Canadian, Simple Fan doesn't care about me or my well being..... I thought we were cool.....

I think Simple Fan's character here would make a good rassling heel.... give him the JBL/Kenzo Suzuki "I love America" gear and give him a mic, brother

I don't want to hear about anything bad happening to you Lock Jaw. Canadians are cool, I've met a few. Let's be honest, you're basically Americans though.

Plus weeds legal up there, USA needs to take a hint.

Thems fighting words

This is it. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. He doesn't believe that a fake wrestling company accepting millions of dollars, millions of dollars from someone would spread a false message, but journalists trying to earn a reputation by reflecting the world are likely to be spreading "fake news."

It used to be cool to check a report's sources and be critical of the media. But it's now be degraded to putting your fingers in your ears and hummng hymns while things literally explode in front of your eyes. There's a difference between being critical of your sources and checking to see how valid they are and just writing things off as "fake news" because they question the fucking President.

:y:

I've never gotten nationalism at all. You don't get a choice of where you're born. You're lucky. You can appreciate the benefits of your country, like the right to security, education and healthcare, but you don't do anything to achieve those. It's not something to thump your chest over and high-five your friends about.

There's also no good reason to ignore the suffering of people who live in places that don't have even parodies of those things, just because they weren't as lucky as you.

Of course you can't worry about all the things in the world all the time. Humans are really good at cognitive dissonance, and that's not even a bad thing, otherwise our heads would explode. But it doesn't mean you can't focus on an issue and say "that's fucking awful." Just like I can look at North Korea and say "that's fucking awful." Why is that even a point being brought up?

Not true. Environment helps form, but a lot of other factors are going to go into that too. Sometimes people reject where they are from. Some people recognize it as arbitrary. The idea that you have to chain yourself to your point of origin is a decision you've made, possibly head drummed into your head since you were a kid and all that, but that you say it as if being in a geographical spot is the overriding factor in how you conduct yourself as a human being does get the root of the issue a lot quicker than your dancing around #1-wwf-fan's questions.

You're talking about cultural relativism, and you've completely taken it out of context and should consider taking a sociology course yourself (I'm sure you can find free lectures online). Cultural relativism is simply a framework for looking at cultures that doesn't place significance on the western way of living as superior. It stops looking at hunter-gatherer tribes as "primitive" because they don't see their purpose in life to accumulate wealth or own a PlayStation (although they might think PlayStations are great).

It's a useful tool for not placing different cultures on a scale of "bad" to "good" based on inherent bias towards your own culture. It's nowhere near the same thing as criticizing a dictator dealing with US money to abuse human rights and oppress a culture.

There's a difference between watching your drink beer and thinking my scotch is better and smashing you over the head with my glass and waterboarding you with scotch.

(North)American

Canada is just the California of the North.

I don't think you understand what fake news is. It's not just the news groups on the left that question the President. It's the ones on the right as well that support him. There's truth in it but it is spread throughout bias bullshit trying to form your opinion. News should provide you the facts and let you form an opinion of it but that's not how it is today.

Oh no @ DTTS making a lot of posts in this thread

You mean like WWE provided in that totally unbiased video that told you how super progressive Saudi Arabia is?

Hahaha, no. I don't think you understand what fakes news is.

Journalism doesn't need to be unbiased, and it never is. That doesn't mean it's fake. You can get the news from that and leave the political opinion at the door. It's critical reading.

"5 dead in explosion" is not fake news. "Women sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia" is not fake news. They don't...make shit up. They can get duped and have political biases, but that doesn't change core facts of many stories. "Trump sells weapons to horrific regime" is not fake news just because it has a tinge of sting to it. What *is* fake is saying that the country is getting better when it is not.

You're actually being worked more by this fake news/pro-WWE stuff than you would be if you were just a "mark." Hell, "fake news" is a Trump buzzword he created so people would disregard any negative story that comes out about him. You fell for it.

:lol:

I never said it showed them as super progressive. It showed they were taking some steps which is true.

I like the idea of a bunch of people being confused by the media getting together and just saying "it's all bullshit!" and then getting their news from WWE and Leonard at the bar. He seems like a smart guy. He thinks they put logos in the foam of his beer, but he's been right before.

In the video, Michael Cole said "Saudi Arabia is a progressive nation." I don't know if it was that verbatim. But that was the message. "They are progressive." They are not. They are lies. You fell for them. That is why this is so disgusting. They help influence the opinion of the people who can't pick up a newspaper without getting confused so they can keep lying to people by saying they are taking steps when they still cut off women's heads, lock them up for protesting and hunt down journalists who criticize them for it. I feel like I've said this 800 times in this thread.

Because of dummies, yeah, dummies, yeah it's an awful thing WWE are going to go and do this thing, because it's not just disgusting on the face; but when it comes to certain types of people it actually works. And make no mistake about it, Fan, they could have gotten him in the United States too. Turkey is not a fan of this regime. They got him in a Saudi embassy. There are cars and saws in the US too.

Leonard at the bar creates the dankest memes too.

You've dug way deeper into it than I have. As #1_wwf_fan would say its trivial to me. I haven't denied things are bad in the country but I don't deny they're making progress either. I just wasnt going to call their prince a murder. I think if this country wants to take steps to being more progressive the WWE helps that cause.

Yes. That WWE video you’ll accept the facts of. But not that fake news.

This is a nonsensical sentence.

It's all fake news. DON'T YOU GET THAT?

Have they not allowed women to apply for drivers license? WWE just showed that from what I remember.

Well they sure did there Simple Fan. They also will still execute a woman for driving. So basically they now let women apply for a license to get themselves executed. How progressive!

He fucking murdered somebody. When you murder somebody, you are a murderer.

How does WWE help the cause? How?

How do the Spice Girls playing in China help put food into the mouths of people from Tibet? Especially when they talk about how good things are in China?

Newsflash: If things are really excellent, you don't need to buy time to talk about about how excellent they are.

Sorry, fake newsflash*

"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan has come to your defense, Fan. He has also released a statement saying that he thinks WWE shouldn't pull out. It's too big an opportunity to miss, terrible stuff happens all over the world so why bother caring, and he also didn't know that it didn't happen in Saudi Arabia, because he said "a horrible incident that happened over there."

What is it with people defending this that have no clue what actually happened?

Seems WWE wussed out on talking about their Saudi deal with their investors today outside of a brief statement made in their fiscal report.

Didn't bother to mention if it will be one of the main topics for their next meeting unlike the last time few times.

For some reference, the last time investors asked about details of the multi-year deal, WWE shot them down saying they couldn't due to confidentially clauses. Being rumored the contract doesn't include an opt-out clause which would be ridiculous if that is actually true.

The WWE had women perform in the UAE, obviously Saudi Arabia isn't to that point yet but they could get there. They allow women to attend the shows which from the bit I understand they don't always get to go to public events. Yeah they're going to use it as propaganda but that doesn't mean they're not taking those steps, even if they take two steps back later.

Hacksaw is a true American.

So is it making steps if they just regress back to where they started if not further back? How is that progressive?

It's slow progress, probably why they called it Vision 2030.

How is giving people the right to do something, only to kill then when they attempt to exercise that right, progressive in any way though? That doesn't make sense.

*smart

Also, y u mad?

Lol I will fight you for calling me an American