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Didn't see the second one coming.

Quasi-excited for this game now. It plays like a genuine arcade fighting game. Doesn't take itself too seriously, lots of flash, nice gimmicks. Should be fun...

WHEN FOUR PLAYER IS ANNOUNCED

That image makes sense now. Sean and his basketball. It's one of those "Duh!" moments after it get's revealed.

People seem to be thinking the basket ball is a red herring. Other than the basket ball nothing else points towards Sean. Most think it's actually going to be Rolento.

Can't even tell who the first one is.

Kazuya's papi.

Bah.

He catches bullets with his teeth.

Ono posts two images that basically confirm who the new characters are, even though he put his Blanka toy in the way.

Street Fighter:


Tekken:

Happy for Rolento.

Blanka himself?

Some of the voice actors for the game could have just let slip that Blanka is in at 5:15 though they could have been talking about when he voiced him in SFIV.

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Kalyx can maybe get excited now.
 

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Two super bars instead of just the one we've seen up until now. 2 players on the same team, maybe, with a bar for each player?

Edit: On a side note, there are gameplay videos uploaded to CapcomUnityVideos YT channel. One fight (Poison & Nina vs Ryu & Ken) takes place at a skate park. You can see Yun skateboarding in the background and Yang watching. So, maybe they wont be in.

Edit 2: A cool musical touch in the game. When two Street Fighter characters are on a team and are both on the screen at the same time or doing a tag team ultra, the Street Fighter II theme tune kicks in.

Ono is a fucking master at this.

A lot of the comments for the story are people crying that it'll be a "comeback mechanic" of some kind and that such a thing is stupid and wrong because it means people who don't have "Mad Skillz" might win a round. We wouldn't want someone that doesn't play SF 24/7 enjoying it, would we?

These are probably the same people that play as Ryu/Ken and Shoryuken absolutely everything so, whatever.

Does anyone agree comeback mechanics are bad? I really can't see how they are.

I wonder how many fights the haters of comeback mechanics have won using the system they claim to hate. I'm sure they didn't hate it that day.

It's like spamming in the sense that it's ok as long as they are the ones doing it. If they are on the receiving end, it sucks, it's cheap and it's "scrubby".
God, I hate the term "scrubby".

Well for one Ono and Seth already commented on the game not having a blatant comeback mechanic. And if it did, I'm betting it would work like the fairly benign Rage system in Tekken 6 (or in Tekken Tag 2's current build). Either way people should stop bitching.

More likely it's the multiplayer mode.

And for the record, the only comeback mechanic I hate is the fucking Blue Shell. I have absolutely no problem with Ultra Moves, K-Meter, Desperation Moves, X-Factor, Rage, Death Streaks, or anything else that keeps people in the game no matter how obvious or under the hood it works. If you're good you'll work the metagame. If you're bad you get victimized. The only comeback mechanic that legitimately rewards a bad player is the fucking Blue Shell. Fuck that thing.

I have to agree here, really. The Blue Shell is pretty ridiculous. Especially because if you're doing bad enough to get one, you already have almost no hope of winning anyway. Short of a massive clusterfuck at a bottleneck, I've never won a race in any Mario Kart game using the blue shell. It just fucks over whoever is number one and maybe one or 2 people without the sense to move when they hear the fucking thing approaching behind you. Since I'm usually top 3 (Mario Kart is the one racing game I've historically raped at), I tend to get get fucked out of victories when the blue shell is a-comin'.

As for comebacks in fighting games, the mechanics are usually subtle or they have a limited window or they have awkward execution methods/horrible recovery times. They're not meant to be crutches, but they can turn the tide in an instant if you know what you're doing.

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Will be interesting seeing Drakul making Gief and Hugo work together.

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Being that the roster is not really speaking to me (despite my excitement for the game), and I'm known for making cute little action girls my characters, I'll just try to make things work with Lili. Still hoping for Sakura, Karin, and Asuka.

Either Asuka or Jun are a lock, I'd say. Far too popular with tekken fans to leave out.

Given the timeline of the Tekken roster, Asuka will be in over Jun. She was pretty much confirmed with that tease in the second reveal trailer.

Zangief, awesome! I'm hoping Hugo works better in this than in SF3. So many times I'll grab someone with Hugo and his arms go right through them and the grab doesn't register.

I wonder who Zangiefs partner will be. R.Mika?

He wont be Rolentos partner because they don't do these reveals for both members of a team. Do they?
One guy gets revealed with these trailers, we see them in action and we see their partner in the water trailers who gets revealed later. So we have at least 2 more SF guys to be revealed.

A lot of people are saying the game has too many grapplers. :|

Tekken characters grab a lot. Hugo and Gief grab a lot. They need to get the fuck over it.

Word, it's a new fighting game. The mechanics are not Street Fighter or Tekken. They need to shut the fuck up and let Capcom do whatever. It's like they don't even want this new game to happen. Kane knight, if you should stumble into this thread somehow, this is what I'm talking about.

Tekken is so throw heavy, I don't know what they'll do if Dragunov makes it in. Every other move he has either auto-chains to a throw, chains to a throw upon counter or chains to a throw with additional input. And Abel's anti-air grab is a direct rip off of King and Marduk from Tekken 4.

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Cue another game I will probably buy at full price only to have to re-buy it later. It just looks fantastic already,and will probably re-ignite my love for Tekken that I haven't really messed much since Tekken 4 or 5.

Why are you re-buying it? Trouble keeping your games?

No, the SFIV->SSFIV->SSFIV:AE or the MVC3->UMVC3 thing.

You mean new characters, rebalances, new systems, and other improvements? For 20$ less than the first game? Just saying.

I was fine with SSFIV (though I pirated the original), but after that I've grown cold to Capcom and their game structure. I don't think AE is (yet) worth 15, and I feel like my 50 or 60 for MVC3 pales in comparison to the quality of what comes with UMVC3 for 40. Their handling of this "new" Dead Rising 2 game isn't much to my liking either.

I'm unemployed, and I want to buy a game that's going to fucking last. Paying full price for a fighting game and it not being supported with moderately priced DLC over a higher-priced disc release when you probably could just because you feel like it isn't right to me. That's just how I feel.

Well the best thing to do in that case, as it was in regard to Capcom, is never buy a vanilla version fighting game (and really this goes for most Japanese fighting games). Wait it out a year (even less these days), and you'll get some cheaper prices update either DLC or retail. You may have to play the hell out of the vanilla version to appreciate certain changes, but at least you know a better one is coming.

Still, I don't think SFxT will have a pseudo sequel like that. If it's like their Capcom vs SNK series, it will have proper sequels (though that means full priced retail).

Rebalances should be free, imo.

Alone yeah, but Capcom likes to pack them with other features. The 2012 rebalance for SSF4 will be free.

But that's the thing. I have bought fighting games at release in recent years (which is extremely rare otherwise, I'm the definition of a cheap-ass gamer) because I want to play it when the community is at its best and I am coming in as fresh as a lot of people are. I literally have no one to play games with in my town anymore, so playing online is going to become more and more important for me to want to keep playing fighting games.

I'm going to buy SFxT release (probably) regardless of how I feel, so I hope you are right about this being the only one until a proper sequel. And I don't want to just blame Capcom either; I just have a fairly poor few of the value of DLC price vs. value in most games, Capcom just does it for things that I would actually consider buying.

That is my point. They shouldn't be packaging it with other features exclusively.

If you want a balanced game, you have to buy their shit, regardless of whether you want it or not. It should be available as a free download for anyone who can't buy or simply doesn't want the latest edition.

Why not? If I wanted to have a marquee title for another year, and I have this fighting game that could use a rebalance, the obvious thing would be to package the balance with new/improved features.

Honestly, AE did exactly what you're talking about. Super owners can play AE owners rebalances and all (just without the new characters/replay enhancements). The download was free. In a better world this would be common practice, hope it catches on.

I'm just relaying precedent so don't hold me to that hardcore. MvC3 getting an update is kinda left field for Capcom (only Vs game that got an update like that was TvC, and even that was between localization). Capcom does pretty weird things now in reaction to industry trends.

From a business standpoint there is no reason not to, because the fighting game community doesn't seem to have the problem with it that I do. And I don't understand why.

Videogame companies in other genres patch games for free. When something needs to be patched, it means something is wrong with the game. So the devs take responsibilty for their mistake, and put out a patch free of charge.

Fighting games on the otherhand, ask you to buy a new updated version of their game to get fixes that would be free if it were any other game. Despite the fact that character balance plays a large part in the game.

That said, there is no sense arguing anymore about it, because as you said, AE offered balance fixes without the need to buy the DLC. Let's hope MvC follows suit, because that game needs fixes far more than SF.

MvC3 has a lot of under the hood work (more than SF4>SSF4), so there's no way vanilla owners can play Ultimate owners. Characters have new moves and such. I'm just happy I can enjoy lobbies now, because no spectator is huge turn off for a game I love watching as much as playing.

Still, will probably play this game more anyway.

It should be a very safe bet SFxT won't have an update until at least Namco gets their version of TvSF done which wouldn't occur until another 1-2 years.


If TvC counts for updates then Capcom vs SNK 1 & 2 probably also count. CvS 1 "update" ended up being the PS1 version (more characters) and 2nd Dreamcast version (only in Japan) while the CvS 2 "update" ended up being the Gamecube (EO system) and Xbox version of the game (EO system, online).

Evidence of Sodom in the Rolento/Sean trailer?

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People on Eventhubs are arguing over how Sodom could be in if Rolento is going to be Ibukis partner.
I think they're wrong and it's going to be Sean that'll be Ibukis partner. His reveal image will be him throwing his basketball at us.

Then they'll reveal Rolento and then Sodom as his partner.

Makes more sense that they'd keep it in the family and Sean would be partners with another Third Striker. Ibuki/Rolento seems random, and so far the pairings have some sense to them (even Sagat/Dhalsim).

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Everything about that was bizarre.

Well we can gather that Zangief may be Rufus' partner.

God I hope not. Never got real reveal for Cody and Guy way back when, so I'm guessing they're not in. Hope the same for Rufus.

Never call for a character's ban, when you want your own. It's not right.

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Loved the trailer. It was pretty amusing. I'm thinking we'll see a part 2 to this trailer.
With all the noise in the dining area, the chef will burst through the kitchen doors to see what's going on. Obviously, the chef will be El Fuerte (maybe in his Mika apron).
Then Law is going to turn up, see the mess of his diner and start fighting people.
At some point Paul will show up and then Mika. Seeing how big a fan Fuerte is, she'll help him out and team with him in the game.

As usual, I've been reading what people are saying about it. A common thought is "This trailer proves Zangief is gay!".
I'm not sure how it does when he shoots out a white liquid everytime Julia touches him and he even does the "I'm spent" droop at one point. You'd have to be 5 to not see what it's representing.

Characters and Cross Assaults revealed.
 

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Cross Assault videos on Eventhubs (too many to post them all)

If anyone hasn't checked, all the character art on the Japanese official site has an "evil/shadow" version of the character behind them.

Ono says he'll explain it at TGS. Popular thought is some kind of evil or rage mode.

Devil or Dark Hadou infection?!?

A powered up Zangief/Hugo tag team.

Would be interesting to see how much damage they would inflict.

And why the hell is Rolento working with Ibuki?!

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2v2?
Online 2v2?
Scramble Mode (Tornado Tag for the wrestling kiddies)?
Transformations?

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Fuck UMvC3. Fuck SSF4 Upper.

I believe I just creamed myself.

swate

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Fuck you, SRK, it's happening.

Very cool. Though i misunderstood Scramble. I thought it was a free for all 4 player fight.

I wonder if the game will have an actual story mode and if it'll be just an intro/ending or if it'll be more fleshed out.

Potential story spoilers if my thoughts are right. :


Also, everyone thought Rufus would be Zangiefs partner but he isn't because he wasn't shown side by side with Zangief in the trailer like Rolento was with Ibuki.
Mika could still be in.

Two more Sony exclusive characters, PS Vita only:

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A 360 exclusive would be good, right about now.

Not if the standard is bland 'superheroes' and cats.

We wouldn't even need a Microsoft character, just a character only for the 360 version.

They could give us an exclusive SF character like Eagle or something.

That may cause a shitstorm.

I'd go with Cortana from Halo.

I'd vote no on anything Halo related. It's in Forza 4, it was in DOA4 (or was it 3?), It was in Fable II and maybe other stuff I don't know about. I think it's had enough guest spots.
Plus, I've no idea who or what Cortana is. I'm not a Halo fan.

MS have the rights to a franchise that would get people excited and buy SFxT on the 360. It's even the same genre.

Killer Instinct.

People have wanted a new KI for years. To have one or two of its characters show up in a game with Street Fighter and Tekken characters could only be positive. It's staring them right in the face. Why don't they go for it?

PS gets two cartoon cats no one has heard of outside Japan and a superhero (dunno his name) and MS gets Fulgore and Orchid or Spinal and Sabrewulf or any other KI combo.

Sweet, cluster fuck mode

I imagine someone sitting back and throwing fireballs while the other stands in the front lines. I am crazy over the amount of variety that will be in this game.

Looks fun as hell.

Oh yeah, I wasn't complaining. I was taken aback, it's the first thing that made me sit up and at least want to play this.

Sounds like a mixture of those Supers characters like Makoto have (where she turns red and gets a time limit) and Dark Pheonix.

The mode sounds interesting but come on, did they really have to have a story behind that?

I think it's more of a story for the actual game.

It's better than usual "Plainly evil organisation stages world fighting tournement and no one gets suspicious." story, at least.

Hopefully no-one uses Pandora to upset the Mishima Zaibatsu.

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Just saw a video showing Zangiefs super is a running grab. Should be fun.

I will not use Pandora unless I know I will beat your ass.

I never cared much for Lili in Tekken but she translated well into 2D. May pick her up to bolster my camp (which is pretty much Ken, Nina, and maybe Chun Li).

KI characters even as a cameo won't be happening any time soon because Rare has said countless times they have no interest in making a KI 3 nor lending out their characters because then people will be demanding a new Killer Instinct. They are too focused on Kinect to do anything else at the moment.


Never was too interested in Tekken but been leaning towards getting this game after all the stuff shown and the 4-player mode sounds nice for "party" style playing.

Rare are fucking idiots now.

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POCKET FIGHTER!

Although if it was the system from Pocket Fighter put into this game as is, the whole game would just be a troll of competitive fighting game communities. And I'm OK with that.

Word. Probably will be a separate mode, though. This is clearly one of their marquee titles for next year. They're not gonna troll too hard.

According to Ono, the PS3 and PS Vita versions of the game will allow DLC to be shared on a single PSN account so that it only has to be bought once and not per system. The only catch is 2 copies of the game are needed (1 for PS3 and 1 for Vita).


Also the Vita is in the process of getting a mini-arcade stick for the game and as of now, the team is thinking of it being an attachment similar in design to the 3DS having the 2nd stick attachment.

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I'm hyped for the 2nd version they'll make of this.

Yeah it should have more characters from the Namco and Capcom universes.

Not being naive here, but with Tekken x sf on the way, I honestly don't see them making a "turbo" version or whatever.

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Juri, Eddy Gordo/Dee Jay, Balrog

Dan is in the first video as well. Even though he's supposed to be dead in this game.

Pretty sure the purple close up in the second vid is Gen and the red close up in the third video is Guy.

Some are saying Viper is the third character teased in the first video because it's a close up of her alt, the same way they showed Zangiefs mecha alt even though he's already revealed.

Dan and Mecha Gief seem like red herrings to me.

Guy and Cody may end up in anyway because of their appearance in the second cinematic trailer.

Yeah, just read that people are saying that elsewhere. Mecha Zangief is in the background of a stage, like Yun & Yang.

Though someone has pointed out the the blue thing in the 3rd video is definitely Mikas arm. I'm hoping they're right.
I think they are. You can see yellow at the bottom (her hair?) and you can see white at the top, which must be her ruffles she has on her sleeves.

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Edit 2:
There is a stage that has Haggar and Sodom in the background. Now, Yun & Yang are in the background of one stage and Mecha Zangief is in the background of another stage and those guys aren't playable and neither is Haggar. It doesn't look good for Sodom right now :(.
Hoping it's a case of him only appearing when he's not being played as, like Tron in MvC3.

People seem to have gotten it figured out now

Comments on Eventhubs are the predictable stupidity on the subject.

I guess this sort of confirms that she is a transgender woman. Though, I could have sworn Ono said otherwise last year.

On the one hand, I sort of wish she was a woman just to shut up the people that turn everything into "Lol, she's not a real woman, she's a dude!!1!" the second someone even mentions Poison.
On the other hand, I like that she's transgendered because it gives her a character. Otherwise she's "generic semi-naked fighting woman #44588". Plus it makes her unique in the game and that can only be a good thing.

They could do a lot with her backstory, being transgendered. Off the top of my head, maybe she could have been a new police recruit at Metro Citys police academy when she was male but, when she confessed to wishing she was born a woman, her fellow recruits weren't so accepting of her and were cruel and violent towards her.
She left the academy and became involved in managing small time pro wrestlers to get by. She eventually could afford to fixed her gender and began managing Hugo who introduced her to Mad Gear, which she joined to get revenge on the recruits (now fully trained cops) that had hurt and taunted her back then.
It would explains how she joined Mad Gear in the Final Fight games, it explains why she has a cop hat and cuffs and it gives her a reason to be fighting.

There is probably a huge amount of holes in that but it's just an idea. Like Q, I'd like to to know more about her origins and story.

She's a chick. Makes me feel better.

About?

Ogling her.

It's not like we'll ever see any sign that she was ever male. They wouldn't show anything or even mention it out right.
She's designed with a female look so, ogle away.

I will.

Good.

According to Wikipedia that has the quote from Ono during a couple of interviews, Ono says Poison is only transgender in the US. He does make the joke about how her status has changed even in Japan from the debates.

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Gem and Battle Systems explained:

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