they didnt give him black and red eyes

Singer was quoted to have said that he wasn't a fan of the Gambit charcter and that he thought he was too similar to Wolverine to put in the films.
Hence when they made X Men 3 after Singer left, they wanted to put Gambit in the film. However they wanted Sawyer from Lost to play him, but he didn't want to do it.

So after that long winded explanation, Singer thought that they were both loners and hence too similar.

yeah, one is older than dirt, overexposed to shit and back (to the point even the Marvel story-writers make fun of it), and is a violent feral madman who can't be killed under normal circumstances and is a loner.

The other is a smooth, almost arrogant, ladies man who attacks at range, has cool eyes, and is a rogue loner.

yeah, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too similar.

:shifty:

Precisely. You can bank on the fact that 99.9% of fans don't consider them too similar and would have wanted to see Gambit in the films.

Guess Marvel properties can't win them all these days - Punisher War Zone has been getting some absolutely awful reviews. Shame really, but I suppose it was inevitable when Thomas Jane jumped off. :-\

Not a whole lot of advertising for it either.

Not like the Thomas Jane version got raves either.

Any movie involving the name "Punisher" has pretty much been viewed as utter suck.

Surely an Oscar nomiantion would have come about if they got Dolph Lundgren to reprise his role :)

True, but I didn't think it was actually that bad.

Although the critics seem to think that both are equally terrible, so hey, maybe it's not actually that awful. I think I'll wait for a DVD rental first though.

The first punisher was a "crap movie", but it was actually enjoyable if you weren't expecting much.
No real interest in seeing the new one.
The movie looks pretty fuckin awful, and the new Punisher looks the part, but seems like a terrible actor. At least Thomas Jane is a competent actor.

I usually turn out to see the comic movies, even if I know they're going to suck. There's always some interest there for me since I grew up on the characters. With that being said, I had no real intention of going to see the new Punisher despite being fully aware of it coming out this weekend. I think that says something. If I don't give a fuck, who does? Probably nobody except for die hard comic book fans, if that.

It made 4 million dollars on it's opening weekend. 4. That's beyond a flop. Especially for a name brand character with a built in fan base. That's really sad. That's the end of Punisher as any kind of film entity.

I was pleasantly surprised by the first Punisher, but Warzone looks like thirty flavors of ass.

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Pretty major LOL at Keamy from Lost as The Blob at 38 seconds.

Looks badass.

Looks pretty lame. Have I given my theory on how I think The Dark Knight and Iron Man have killed the comic movie? They're so good, it's hard to stack up. The bar is raised. This can be a good thing, but it will be near impossible to measure up in the future.
This movie will be the first victim of that, since it was made in the same vain as earlier comic movies.

Hm. I dunno. Looks like there's a lot of good stuff in there, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

I'm not a huge fan of the way they are dressing and putting together Gambit, though.

What the hell is Gambit doing in an origin movie about Wolverine anyways?

Don't know what you guys are talkin about. Looks pretty spiffy to me.

Only thing is, I hope that quick shot of deadpool is before the weapon x procedure.

Gambit's costume would look ridiculous on screen. But they should have given him the proer eyes tho. Maybe they do at some point in the film.

Thought I might have got a glimpse of the scarred up Deadpool as well, but I'm not sure.

Trailer looks pretty promising to me.

In other random news, Kenneth Branagh has been confirmed to direct Thor. Not entirely sure why they've chosen him, but time will tell I suppose.

Trailers mean nothing.

They chose him because he's perfect for the film. Thor is norse legend, and likely going to be set in the distant past.
Branagh is legitimate in the world of directing period peices and Shakesperian adaptations.
He knows drama. He should be great for this, if they can get the right script and actor.
I'd love to see Daniel Craig play Thor, and them go balls to the wall with the Norse time period/epic scale.
It needs to be action packed and under 2 1/2 hours to work though.

They're using Gambit because people want to see Gambit. They should have used him in the Xmen films, but those are dead for the same reason. They squandered away tons of characters and made it too populated.
They're just trying to get all of the marketable names into these movies as fast as they can. Xmen3 was a fuckin waste. I wouldn't call it the worst sequel ever, or the worst comic film ever. Not at all. But it was pretty fuckin bad and I don't know if I've ever seen an installment KILL a franchise so directly.

Batman and Robin killed Batman because of how bad it was.
Xmen 3 just flat out killed Xmen because of the plot and execution. It turned out tolerable, but they blew their load and stripmined the franchise.

If they're going to do X4, they should acknowledge the first 3, but largely ignore them. Killing off Sabretooth first thing and ignoring his backstory with Wolverine was retarded. Thankfully, Sabretooth is near indestructible, so they can do the whole "no body, not dead" and bring him back like they would have if it were a comic book. Wolverine not recognizing him could be chalked up to the amnesia, but Sabretooth not recognizing Wolverine... damn.

Thankfully, X-3 left the door open with that little bit about Magneto's power not being entirely gone. That means anyone who was cured can be uncured, including Mags himself.

Kinda hope they follow X2's example and reference the shit out of people, rather than having 54643578359 people in it and they end up being one offs with no development who get killed (Psylocke, etc.). Also kinda hope they get an actual fan of the comics to direct (Favreau & Iron Man, Norton & Incredible Hulk) and not just a big name in Hollywood (Ang Lee & Hulk, Ratner & X3). They will respect the source material and not bollocks things up with retarded storylines or unnecessary changes to the characters.

They never killed off Sabretooth in the Xmen movies, but yea they shit all over things in X3

Thought he got knocked off the Statue of Liberty in the first one. That's a long way down, mang.

Into the ocean. Not such a bad fall for Creed. When you consider that Wolverine survived having most of his skin (but inexplicably, not his pants) destroyed by Phoenix, it is not so implausible Sabretooth survived.

I thought they had never met in the origional.

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That's what Funky is talking about; it's a bit of a plothole that Sabretooth would not recognise Logan (but not the other way around because of Wolverine's convenient amnesia angle) if he was gonna be in the "origin" story.

That said, Singer wouldn't have been anticipating prequels when they made the first X-Men movie.

No he didn't die. They just never brought him back in the sequels for whatever reason.
He got knocked onto a fishing boat and crushed it. They showed that, and he laid there knocked out.
At the end, after the plan was foiled, however, they showed the cops approach the boat. It was still there, and it was crushed, but where Sabretooth should be laying there was nothing. He got away.

Toad died.

Falling from a great height into water is actually worse than landing an the ground. The surface tension of the water actually makes it harder than earth. However...
Ah, I should go watch it again. Didn't remember that bit. Yeah, they killed Toad, but he's never been a major player at all.

Okay we're talking about movies where people can control metal with their minds, shapeshift, split into multiple copies, and block telepathy with giant styrofoam helmets.

Let's not get bogged down in "water is harder than the ground on impact" physics.

Dammit, Funk. I'm a fanboy, not a scientist.

Sabretooth has power analagous to Wolverine anyways, right? He'd survive that fall easily, even if it wasn't shown.

lol true, Mitch.

Well, since the movie is supposed to be somewhere around the introduction of the New X-Men (give or take a few years), it's safe to assume that he didn't have his adamantium claws or super enhanced healing factor from Weapon X, so he could but he'd be pretty fucked up.

I just don't like how useless he was in that film. Sabretooth is a master tactician/manipulator. He wins fight he has no business winning because he can get in your head so well.

Yeah, that was really the point I was trying to make with the whole "Wolverine's pants survived the Phoenix explosion" thing. ie if Logan (and his pants) can survive that, then Creed can deal with a fall from the Statue of Liberty - onto a boat, into the ocean, whatever.

Goddammit Funky. You know how I am about using the quote function.

I'm going to cut you in half, see if that works...

*cut your head off

in half

This is the worst case of someone being cut in half, that I've ever seen.

Watchin it again, yeah pretty sure thats him.

Honestly anticipating deadpool more than anything else in this film.

I would be too if it wasn't Van Wilder

I wonder if he'll have that "gravely Demi quality" to his voice that they always joke about in his books.

lol at the blob

I'm gonna be straight up honest with you folks, and it's my opinion only, but this movie looks shit. I love Wolverine and I love Xmen but this looks bad.

For a antihero that's a huge smartass, you could do a lot worse than Ryan Reynolds.

What? Thats like the perfect casting.

Curse you, Blitz!

Ryan Reynolds is never the perfect casting in a semi-serious film.

I dunno, whole movie looks atrocious to me. Seems about on pace with Nicholas Cage action flicks and/or the Resident Evil movies, and other action films like that.

Is that Emma Frost in there too? If so, good shit.

Where did you think you saw scarred up 'Pool? I only saw him when he turns around with his swords when they're discussing the team.

Blob looks ridiculous.

Other than that, I can't say I am not interested in this film. It feels like it might be able to come close to the feeling of X2.

Towards the end of the trailer, for a split second there is a guy spinning through the air with katanas, towards wolverine. He also looks a little....lumpy.

I'll rewatch it and keep an eye out.

And I am positive he says "I'm gonna cut your head off", not "I'm gonna cut you in half". I am only positive of this because in the original trailer release the line was "I'm gonna cut your goddamn head off". It was clearer, and he definitely didn't say "your goddamn half". :-\

Not that it really matters, honestly.

k one sec gonna rewatch.

Ahhhh yeah, I see him. Just before the Emma Frost turning-to-diamonds bit.

Yeah, definitely looks like he's got some kind of Deadpool-esque facemask on, and he looked "lumpy", as you said. Hope that's him.

Who's the frozen kid with the yellow eye?

That was a confusing double negative, shame on you Mitch.

And assuming it IS Deadpool doing that spinning bit, he does look bald and a bit lumpy in the face.

Stryker's kid from X2, apparently.

Looked to me like he had a facemask on. Maybe I am wrong. But most people seem to be of the opinion that is Deadpool. Checked up a few of those "we break the Wolverine Origin trailer down shot by shot!" type posts that seem to be all the rage lately with new trailers.

Did Jason have different colored eyes in X2?

Not that I remember. But if stryker is in it, it's likely his son is too.

Also, I feel the opposite of Jeritron. This looks really good to me, and it looks like they are showing a lot of respect to the source material, despite Gambit being a part of Wolverine's past. But that has a lot t do with fan demand for the character, so it's easiy forgivable.

Anyway, I listened a few more times to Wolvie and it does sound more like cut your head off.

So

Anyway, although X3 was packed with tons of characters and didn't give great back-stories, I still enjoyed it. X2 was a the gem of the series to date imo. Not too sure why people would suddenly become to downcast on the X-Men stuff, it's good eye candy. I think it's a case of too many people nerding it up. After all a book isn't a comic and a comic isn't a movie and a movie isn't a play.... There are different mediums and people that tend to know the back-stories already because they're fans of the stuff via one medium don't really need to be explained the backgrounds. Casual movie go-ers aren't interested in long character developments, they want to get on with a blowing up of stuff and the be-headings, etc.

So yeah, in conclusion, mitch owes me an apology.

It actually looks like they've pulled a great deal from the excellent "Wolverine: Origins" series, which I am very surprised, yet happy, about.

Aside from Gambit and Emma Frost being in an Wolvie origin movie, I am also looking forward to this. I feel like it could redeem the franchise.

Yeah he did. One blue, one green I think.

Granted it's different media, but the only things that really needed changing were the costumes. The eras of the source material that they drew on for the movie plots are some of the best periods in the X-Men comics.

Also, it is "cut your head off". It's widely acknowledged that the only real way to kill Wolverine or Sabretooth is decapitation. In fact, that is how Sabretooth dies in the comics anyway.

WITH A SWORD FORGED FROM WOLVERINES SOUL

Yeah, it is "head off". It just sounds odd as they've removed the 'Goddamn' from the sentence and that throws off the flow and intonation of the line.

You know, you would think that I would get sick of being right all the time.

But I don't.

apology accepted

Yeah, deapitation won't work either. Only reason it worked on sabrtooth was cause it was some magical sword dealy.

Let's focus on how the movie looks and not the minute details of the comics :p

So if I go back in time and think about the 1st movie, it never states that Sabertooth and Wolverine didn't know each other, it was just not mentioned. Or can someone remember something that would change that belief of mine.

Seemed like they may have known eachother. Doesn't matter anyways cuz Wolvy gets his mind wiped right? Sabretooth prob does too before he's set into the wild to be recruited by Magneto

Yeah, Sabertooth always came off like an amnesiac hobo in the first movie.

Kevin Nash was originally cast to play him, but he couldn't because WCW wouldn't let him take time off, and they were owned by WB to boot.

I'm sure some of you may have known that, and some may not have.

There were subtle implcations that they knew eachother. And they never said they din't know eachother either. Honestly, it was a good move on their part. Probably didn't directly acknowledge it, as it would have taken time they didn't have to go into, but at the same time left it open, so they could revisit it later if given the oppurtunity.

They're both homeless amnesiacs living in Canada as far as I'm concerned. Whether they've crossed paths or not is of no matter. The first time they meet is when Sabretooth lays a tree across Wolvy's face and they don't speak a word because they're busy fighting.

Yeah good point.

Um... when is this version of an Xmen movie to be released?

One of my ex girlfriend's birthday.

Hulk Vs. Clips:

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I'm Furious:

Sam Jackson may not return as Nick Fury for Iron Man 2 and Avengers. Negotiations have broke down between his people and Marvel.

I suggest Marvel comes to their fucking senses.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY

Black Widow Close To Casting:

Emily Blunt (The Devil Wears Prada) is a frontrunner for the role of the Black Widow in Iron Man 2. Don't think she fits the ambitious qualifications laid out by the casting office, but she looks the part.

Eh, there isn't much great acting required for black widow. Just have to look good in leather, and occasionaly say "in soviet russia, road forks you!".

Depends on how she's written. David Hayter loves her and did drafts on a whole Black Widow movie. There's clearly something about her.

No.

It's "In Mother Russia...."

Wolverine Promo Pic:

Deadpool, Gambit, Logan, Sabertooth, Silver Fox.

Marvel's Penny Pinching?:

So how much was Mickey Rourke, hot off the heels of critically acclaimed The Wrestler, offered for his role in Iron Man 2? 250k. That's $250,000. Don't get me wrong, it's an amount of money we'd kick a puppy for, but for Mickey Rourke? And from a studio that absolutely banked just last Summer? No news on how Mickey reacted, but a similar situation may have been the catalyst for Sam Jackson's about face as Nick Fury.

Marvel, again, stop fucking around!

Where in the fuck are you even getting some of this news? Half this shit sounds like somebody made it up.

So... Superherohype? Variety magazine, I guess?

Because one is Variety magazine and the other gets its news from Variety magazine. Come on now. I'm still not buying this shit.

I mean, all I'm saying is these same guys claimed Will Smith was in the running for Captain America.

Various sources. IGN, Superhero Hype, Latino Review, and lesser spots that sometimes get some juicy shit. I actually find more news than I post but I doubt anybody's interested in the inane shit these sites post at times.

Pretty pumped about Iron Man 2. Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell joining the cast is awesome.
Emily Blunt is nice too.
The stuff Favreau said about making Mandarin a background villian like Sauron in Lord of the Rings, or Palpatine in the first couple Star Wars movies sounded brilliant.

I was reading about that "lowballing" thing though. It's literally a cause of the economy. A lot of actors are getting over far below their quotes, and accepting it. Big name actors too. Things are getting cheap in hollywood even at the moment.
So it's not absurd for those offers to be made, and even taken.

I also read that Sam Jackson said he wouldn't be in future Marvel movies if Marvel continues to be cheap. That doesn't include Iron Man 2, since the deal for that is done. He means Avengers and the other sequels.

What movie is that?

"The Clawed Man" directed by Mr. Makemovies.