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Detroit is out and NYC is in, the latest news.

Damn, would be cool if they went back to MSG.

Probably won't happen.

I don't think they'll go back there. More than likely they run Barclays for it.

Ford, You are going to sue John Cena? Well fuck you, Detroit won't get WM then.

If Vince only wants to run Mania in stadiums, they'll have to use MetLife Stadium again.

They lucked out with the weather not being bad last time. It rained during the pre-show match but that was all.

Would be interesting how the rest of the arenas that weekend shake out. They good do Mania, Raw, and SmackDown in Barclays. But the state of New Jersey might require them to use the arena across from MetLife.

There is no arena across from MetLife it closed

Ah, didn't realize it had closed. So they'd have to use either the Prudential Center or Barclays. I assume one of them would host all 3 of Takeover/Raw/SmackDown so that they only have to do the arena set-up and breakdown once.

Probably Barclays just to again market it as a "New York/New Jersey WrestleMania". MSG would host the HOF again.

Always the option of Yankee Stadium or Citi Field.

WWE could brand a whole Wrestlemania about Yankee's.

Nowhere near the same capacity.

WWE WrestleMania from the Carrier Dome :cool:

Fozzy released their touring schedule for 2018 and they have a show in Phoenix on the night of WrestleMania.

Between Wrestle Kingdom, Fozzy, and prepping for his cruise - it does not appear Jericho will be doing anything with WWE in 2018.

No - Metlife

Doomed to fail. No way they sell tix for that

Lol Mid Hudson Civic Centre. Wow.

Basically an indy sized show

That's essentially what they're going for.

tbf I think 205 Live would be much better suited for a small crowd. You can hear a pin drop during the show in front of the SmackDown audience.

Weird that WWE will essentially have 2 indie sized brands. They should do an under 18's division that works out of high school gyms and get all the sizes covered.

God, I wish they would just scrap 205 Live. But I was thinking last night that I can see them adding moref "brands" over the course of the next year or so. Something like an indy alternative that allows NXT to remain as it is with smaller venues that they try to get onto television. I can also see them trying to start up their own lucha league or Spanish language show, which I think is doomed to fail.

I think this 205 Live brand thing very quickly changes to become something else entirely. More inclusive, so to speak.

I got confused between the names of the places. MetLife is what I meant. I've also expected WrestleMania in Phoenix for some time, so it's odd you mention that Jericho is in Phoenix in 2018.

Oh, I disagree with that. I'd keep the UK Championship and just have Pete Dunne wrestle Tyler Bate on PPVs that could use a little something extra. But yes, there shock and awe treatment towards branding is frustrating as a "purist" or whatever. Especially when you consider everything does largely have a WWE stink on it, because Vince is a control freak. At least when Coke branches out and does all its varieties they appeal to different demographics instead of just the same hardcore over 50 fan base. And then they've got water and energy drinks, which is different from the usual soda yet again, and some people probably even realize they dabble in that.

Only way the 205 Live tours are going to have a chance to succeed is if WWE removes the current restrictions and the watered down cruiser style done for the division.

Wonder if this is also WWE's way of keeping the division happy since supposedly they don't work on house shows and likely only get paid for the week if they are used on RAW and/or 205 Live.

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Best announcer ever, "World wide federation heavyweight championship" and "Hulk Hogan Hogan" at the end, as well as saying his name twice at the start.

Oh God, Frank Talent.

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Needs to cut miserable prick lose and come back.

Apparently both Kevin Owens and his wife's Instagram accounts got hacked recently with someone trying to ruin Owens' marriage with fake cheating accusations.

Both denied it being true and Owens got rid of his Instagram account after getting it back because he was pissed at the hate being thrown towards his family.

A likely story

Was probably revenge from Shane McMahon after he and Sami Zayn screwed him at Hell In A Cell. Can't imagine what he has in store for Sami.

Why do people actually think this will work? The problem isn't that these guys have bad matches. It that's that they have zero stakes and are all booked to be geeks. Making it even more of a stunt show when it is already basically a stunt-show is not going to make anything any better. Plus, bigger guys draw better. There's no one larger than life in that division other than Enzo Amore. He should probably be the lead heel manager and have a heel factory to go against Hideo Itami, who should just kick them all in the head really hard.

I hope it works out. The guys on the 205 Live roster deserve it

WWE gimmick matches largely seem to be watered down and executed poorly. But Reigns seems to excel in them. Ditto for The Usos.

But then thinking about it, The Rock, Umaga, and Rikishi all seemed to always perform well when put into the confines of a gimmick match.

Must be something in the bloodline.

How do you put something as a spoiler I don't want to ruin the upcoming NXT tapings.

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Why?

Then Seth finishes them with a knee to the face.

I'm so fucking salty this morning. Why can't wrestling be good again?

1.Cause the is roster bland as hell

2. Idiots only caring if a match was 5 stars like nerds.

You are right on both counts. I'm torn between the roster having the potential to be good if they were allowed to break the mold, but I actually think that is how they think. Look at Cody Rhodes leaving and repeating Vince McMahonisms like they are somehow profound. Honestly think they think they are doing "good" work.

Cody has been doing good work. Not great work, but good solid work. And that's a lot better than what he was accomplishing at the end of his WWE run.

Yeah, and between New Japan and PROGRESS (along with random shows of other UK indies), I'm probably enjoying wrestling more now than I have in the past 15 years at least.

If you can find somewhere to watch PROGRESS from Chapter 1, it's worth it. You actually get to see long term booking play out, something which WWE hasn't done in years.

Oh, I also need to check out Defiant Wrestling who rebranded from WCPW. They've got money to chuck around with Wade Barrett as the authority figure and doing an IPW invasion. Austin Aries ran in on a match on their first show.

The cruiserweight division just got more personality in one Instagram vid than a year of 205 Live has done.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcVdS4KAK_C/?taken-by=real1

Meltzer criticizing the Kane promo, saying "Nobody talks like that. Kane shouldn't".

I would like Dave Meltzer to explain to me how an evil demonic looking individual who at times displays supernatural powers is supposed to talk.

Like, it's a product for children, you fucking hack.

I second this. It's so refreshing to see a product that can actually get fans emotionally invested. Their on demand service is only 7.50 and worth every cent.

Because the guys work hard

Fignuts, I used to love you, and I'm sure you're a great guy, but lately I have disagreed with every opinion you have on just about everything. Kane could still talk menacingly or organically. He could say "I'm going to hurt you" or something, as opposed to "we will enter the abyss and only one shall emerge." Aimed at kids doesn't mean it has to be hack. Kids aren't as stupid as you or mike adamle.

Everyone works hard. It's endearing, but hard work is only part of performance. It's a big part, but other things merit fruit a lot more.

Again, Instagram wins against scripted promos

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcV7VoqAfTv/?taken-by=wwe

It'd be amazing how much things would change if people could cut their own promos. People were actually comparing The Miz's Talking Smack promo to "Hard Times" because it had been so long since they heard one.

It may be PG but that doesn't mean it's kids programming. Kids programming in rated G. To ignore the fact that adults watch is moronic. Also, as much as it pains me to agree with Noid (LOL) kids like good t.v. as much as anyone. I mean, they'll also accept shit, but that doesn't mean you have to set the bar low.

@Fignuts

Shout outs to Irish promotion OTT who are about to sell out their 3rd 2,000 seater show in 8 months. Not bad for what was considered to be a dead market before they started up.

Of course not, but there's going to be certain things, especially pertaining to dialogue, that are geared with kids in mind. Kane's over the top, super villain dialogue is one of them.

I mean, how many of us were mesemerized by Undertaker's dark cryptic promos as kids, despite how cheesy they were looking back?

I guess I just don't think the line was so bad or out of character that it needed to be called out.

But, I honestly don't see a lot of things that catch shade as worth complaining about, so whatever.

Do you.

Just my opinion man. I enjoy their work on 205 Live

Yeah, I'm easily enjoying wrestling more than I have in the past decade. Not bad considering that only 2-3 years ago I was so fed up that I was starting to think I finally just "grew out of it" like my parents always told me I would.

Then I watched New Japan and Lucha Underground and I was back in full force.

I dont think kids would be scared of kanes current incarnation. However... I was shit scared of him when he debuted

Wrestling is still amazing. Just not a lot of current WWE is. Which is fine. You have tons of options to choose from including older stuff

That said.... Kane is awful and I will stand by that lmfao

Like, current Kane or just Kane ever?

Current Kane

Kane in the 90s was great. Honestly, minus being good in the ring during the early 2000s... The character ran its course somewhere in 1999

Yeah, they had a chance to fix it when he unmasked, but ruined it straight away by making his first feud Shane when he needed to recover from the awful HHH feud.

Still had it's moments though. The Lita wedding and Matt feud was a lot of fun.

I liked Kane longer than most, but I think I was ready for him to retire around the time they shipped him to ECW. Oddly enough, that's also when heavy rumors started up about Kane getting one last run before retirement, and that was nearly a decade ago.

In hindsight I'm glad he didn't retire then because I fucking adored the Team Hell No stuff. But he could've hung it up after that and I'd have been happy as a clam.

Corporate Kane made for an interesting character and comedic foil, but I felt sad watching him go out and wrestle.

Oh yeah forgot about hell no. But that followed a decade of blunders.

MAYBE if they ran Chicago and got Punk for the main.

Corporate Kane and DBry/Kane were the last time I enjoyed Kane tbh. I don't dislike the guy or anything - I'm ok if his current feud with Braun is his 'send-off'...tho Kane also is a big enough name his send-off should be on a big show...I guess RAW 25 could be a big show.

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This is 100% spot-on.

Nah, it was awful. And "geared with kids in mind" is a huge problem, because these adults can't even gear things to people in their own demographic.

That's fair enough. I'm sure they're fun in their certain ways. It's good to know that someone is a fan, haha.

On Kane:

He's actually a big part of why I got into wrestling. Not his ring work or even the character, but something about his positioning endeared itself to me and then he had that 2001 Royal Rumble appearance which I wasn't expecting. It was a nice little vindicating moment for supporting him.

They've fucked up his gimmick so many times. I mean, they basically just threw a lot of it out the window right after his initial run was done. He served his purpose, but then instead of going away he stuck around and they gave him a voice, a singlet, a new mask with a different singlet, a sexy backstory, took the mask away, turned him face and heel so many times, put the mask back on, made him a social climber and now put the mask back on him again.

I've always considered Kane a "solid" big man, but he really hasn't had that many matches that even approach good, and my subjectivity was probably clouding that. I think people were just taken in by similar things as me, or variants. There are lots of things that "work" about the Kane gimmick, and I think many of us have felt sorry for how they've "fucked him" over the years, despite him turning something that should have lasted two years into something that has stuck around for two decades.

I'm sure he's a good presence in the locker-room, and I did get a little kick out of Team Hell No, and how helped provide a platform for Daniel Bryan to get "WWE over," if you know what I mean by that? But WrestleMania XXX was a fine place to squash him and then send him out. But then he was top heel again. Then he dominated the 2015 Royal Rumble. Now he's top heel again. It's just enough.

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Is it just me or has Matt got fake upper teeth? Totally different colour from the bottom ones, and this woken thing....:shifty:

Creative has nothing for you.

You know, the most impressive part of this is the fact they pulled it off during an earthquake. Fuck Kevin Dunn.

In all honesty though, they'll never get over by just going out and wrestling, when the main eventers who have well established characters and time to connect with the audience wrestle the same style.

Cruisers in wcw got over with just their ring work, because 99% of the time, everything else on the card was dogshit.

Feel like cruisers should have been an nxt thing where the smark crowd will cheer great work regardless. Then they could move up to the main roster and see some actual progression in their career instead of being deadlocked into a sigle division that will never be anything more than a third string title.

Hate that camera cut half was through. Keeps you from really taking it in

Yeah, the shot itself would have been pretty great with just 1 cut instead of two. The last cut wasn't even needed since it ate into the move's impact and like everything in WWE, was micromanaged more than needed.

That move is fucking stupid.

Imagine Cactus Jack wrestling in little tights.

Now wait, stop imagining that, just look at Kassious Ohno.

Yeah, I honestly believe that half the time I think the actual matches are so much better outside the WWE, a lot of it is down to the camerawork.

Congratulations are in order!

Kassius Ohno wouldn't be so bad if he just got some better gear.

and lost 30 lbs or so

And that was the last time Curt Hawkins was ever seen again. :shifty:

Sasha vs Alexa Bliss happening r/n in Abu Dhabi, the first women ever allowed to wrestle for WWE there...but due to women showing skin being illegal they must be covered from neck to toe.



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