yeah i want to see what will be live and what will be taped tonight. impact can tape all there new stuff in jax with the aew folks and bring any impact wrestlers they need for the new stuff.

Ken Shamrock is finally gonna get revenge on Jericho for running him out of wwe.

AEW just needs to hire Bischoff and Hogan and move Dynamite to Monday nights.

Sammy is better than Elias. Change my mind. (6:00)

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I refuse to watch it bc it's not ALL elite. There are many bums on the roster.

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Push that Doggo!!

JR has had enough and blasted AEW on their “evolution of wrestling” bullshit. Ripped into guys, friends and foe alike, standing around to catch idiots. Brandon Cutler took JR’s words and tried to use them to promote his unwarranted appearance on Dynamite this week.

TK is spineless and JR is just happy collecting a cheque, but it would be hilarious if this spirals into something.

JR has had enough and blasted AEW on their “evolution of wrestling” bullshit. Ripped into guys, friends and foe alike, standing around to catch idiots. Brandon Cutler took JR’s words and tried to use them to promote his unwarranted appearance on Dynamite this week.

TK is spineless and JR is just happy collecting a cheque, but it would be hilarious if this spirals into something.

I think he's doing some damage controll...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Appreciate it Tony. <br>I’m having the professional time of my life. <br>Fully committed to <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> <br>There’s gas in the tank. 🤠 <a href="https://t.co/tDRFADpV7k">https://t.co/tDRFADpV7k</a></p>&mdash; Jim Ross (@JRsBBQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/1337913952177631238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This would make more sense if Cody Rhodes went away for a while and we got a bunch of other Cody Rhodes, with one being a cyborg, a murderer Cody Rhodes, and a younger clone of Cody Rhodes and then Cody Rhodes comes back with a mullet. <a href="https://t.co/Fhn6nZeqP0">https://t.co/Fhn6nZeqP0</a></p>&mdash; throwaway (@BestInTheGalaxy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BestInTheGalaxy/status/1338329484190167043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cody Rhodes confirmed as remaking Michael K's Multiplicity.

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always felt bad for Doug #4

Good thing she's banging the color guy.

that makes me think, if someone who didn't watch wrestling overheard a wrestling fan say, "booker t was a color guy," they would probably think so


especially if you said "shit color guy"

Isn't everything racist in the current world view? Ergo, nothing is?

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Yeah, he and Conrad need to spend more time on their nostalgia podcast discussing his work with a company that’s a year old.

Quit using logic, Fan.

I can't wait to hear crabby Jim Ross complain about Brandon Cutler on his podcast

i want to see what kind of work they turn it into

Brandon Cutler should attack JR with a bottle of bbq sauce and bloody him up

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Lmao Tony not pulling punches in that promo

hahahhahaa

Then, later on, we get an ill-advised tag team of Cody Rhodes Red and Cody Rhodes Blue. :shifty:

This whole issue makes me think of a story from Lance Storm a number of years ago where people from both ROH and TNA around the same period of time asked him to critique them; and be brutally honest.

The ROH guys pretty much took what he had to say to heart, asked him questions, picked his brain about how to fix said criticisims, etc. A lot of those guys ended up going to WWE.

The responses from the TNA roster, on the other hand, were like "aw man, why you gotta be so negative?" and there was one thing about a stupid finish to a match, and the people involved supposedly KNEW it was stupid, and did it anyway. And their reply to being told it was stupid was "Yeah, but...", which Lance picked apart as a peeve.

Just because you don't like something said doesn't necessarily make it false. Also, why hire these vets if you have no plan on heeding their advice? Yeah, it's nice to have JR call your match, but if you're worried about him burying you on air, how about you don't do the stupid shit that gets you bured? Maybe Jim Ross knows what the fuck he's talking about in the business and has more to offer than to be the nostalgic voice on-air.

Of course, that's the type of critique that would come from someone like Cornette, which means AEW should do 100% the opposite just to be contrarian instead of actually giving thought as to WHY that is a criticisim.

And I want someone to answer - because I'm not going to watch - but I'm betting they specifically do a wait-and-catch dive spot in the 7 on 7 just because its fun to "rebel" instead of it just being yet another dive spot that Randy Orton even called out being a trend YEARS ago. I'd even go so far as to say there will ALSO be/have been (if it's past tense as of this post) multiple finishers kicked out of in this same show, if not same match, just to completely PROVE JR'S POINT without any trace of irony of self-awareness.

I want to know after the fact if both of these things happened.

Everyone remembers Snuka diving off the cage. He didn't do it every fucking week, though, nor was he surrounded by a roster full of people doing the same spot. If they were, nobody would remember Snuka because there'd be nothing special. If everybody did what Jeff Hardy did, Jeff wouldn't be shit today. Same with Rey Rey. One of the reasons why Ricochet isn't nearly as over as he should be is because most of his contemporaries work like he does. What makes him special outside of his "hero pose" spot?

A big part of why nobody's special on AEW is because the roster is full of guys making themselves not special.

There are lots of people in AEW who 'feel special' tho...they've done a better job of getting over talent many of us had never heard of/didn't now much about before AEW in one year than WWE has done in years. Off the top of my head MJF, Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara, Ricky Starks, Britt Baker, John Silver, OC, Jungle Boy...

The entire AEW roster isn't doing backflips and dives and superkicks...WWE and NXT in particular features as many, if not more dives, flips and kicks than AEW. I never understand why people think this is some AEW phenomenon.

I want to mention Ricochet in particular for one moment. When he did the whole Vader-rage inducing bit with Ospreay, it was exciting because it was new and he hadn't done it with many people.

When he did it with Cesaro, you could buy it because Cesaro is this freakish combination of brute strength and insane athleticism.

Doing it with Ivar (? the bigger guy from the Viking Raiders) kind of made him look bad because this much larger man was keeping up with him and being as athletic as he was.

If he was smart, he would have done that spot with variations where he just overwhelms his opponents on their toes because he was so much faster and athletic than they are. Then again, if he was smart, he'd learn how to throw a dropkick that doesn't look shitty and non impactful. I'm not talking Minoru Suzuki attempting to murder the guy coming off the ropes dropkick, but one that looks like a strike and not him gently shoving a guy with his feet.

AEW has protected most of their top guys. Cody has lost, what, 3 times since their debut ppv? Darby Allen feels pretty specialeven tho he seems to lose a lot.

Omega and Moxley are two of the most protected guys on the roster. Moxley just lost for the first time and it was some with a screwy finish that AEW has mostly stayed away from, but it was used to actually tell/enhance a story.

I don't think Hangman has lost much either.

They also avoid the WWE pratfall of 'people feuding should wrestle each-other every week and then at a ppv as well'.

You post more in AEW threads than WWE threads.

Wardlow out with family situation, so 6 vs 6 now (Cutler removed from other team).

I'm not expecting tonight to be a stellar episode...matches just seem meh to me. Hopefully there's some good story building with Omega, plus there'll be Sting so there's that.

Are we just to assume we're not hearing from Moxley at all? Really curious to see what they do with him going forward and how, if at all, he plays into this story.

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Brain fart when I looked at tonight's show. Yeah, hopefully Mox makes a showing

Sting does not make me want to tune in. Not even when he was in WWE.

Saw Meltzer or Alvarez trying to lie about AEW beating Raw again, then the numbers for this week came out and — no surprise — it turns out it definitely didn’t.

You do realize how math and number comparisons when you don't have two equal values works right?

When they and everyone else who noticed what happened did that direct comparison, they took what was the most recent shows for both companies. In that case, it was this week's RAW and last week's Dynamite since this week's Dynamite hadn't aired yet.

Same would happen if you wanted to make a direct comparison with RAW and Smackdown since this week's SD hasn't aired yet.

Now that AEW had their show for the week, this week's AEW didn't beat this week's RAW but that doesn't mean the previous comparison was wrong.

That is not how week's work though. There is no configuration that charts the start of the week on Wednesday and the end of the week on Tuesday.

They cherry picked a number they did in the previous week, and bragged about beating Raw for 2 days, then proceeded to lose 19% of their viewers from the week before. It was the same week that Raw lost 12% of the viewers from the previous week.

So no, AEW did not beat Raw, AEW lost a bigger percent of their audience than the Raw show they were claiming they beat for 2 days.

Losing 12% from the week before vs losing 19% from the week before. That is what happened.

If your going to compare RAW's show from Monday on a Tuesday like the Observer did and everyone else did, then you only have AEW's show from last week to do a direct comparison with. In that case, last week's AEW beat this week's RAW.

Now that AEW's show for the week aired, if you do a comparison on Thursday for most recent shows between the two, then both shows will be from this week. In that case, RAW beat AEW for this week.

Same if you do any comparisons with this week's Smackdown before Saturday since you have to use last week's numbers as a basis. That comparison then changes after Saturday's numbers come out.

Last week's Raw beat last week's AEW.
This week's Raw beat this week's AEW.

They can spin that bullshit all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they didn't beat Raw in the weekly ratings.

Bragging otherwise is everything that is wrong with AEW. They aren't anywhere near as good as they think they are.

In the key demo, last week's AEW show beat this week's RAW which was the whole purpose of the comparisons to begin with at the time.

AEW had a 0.45 while RAW had a 0.41 for their most recent shows at the time.

Your percentages stuff falls apart as a claim to prove they were spinning BS since your comparing this week's RAW with this week's AEW which they were not doing because they didn't have the numbers for AEW's show at the time since it was Tuesday.

But it didn't.

On Monday the Browns scored 42 points. The week before the Ravens scored 34 points.

Did the Browns beat the Ravens on Monday? No you say, the scores have to be in the same week you say?!?!? That's how it works you say?!?!? SHOCKING!

Maybe a 24 hour ban coming my way again for being mean to everybody's favorite AEW by not going along with their bullshit :rofl:

I'm pretty sure that's what I said, they cherry picked the previous week's rating when they lost to the previous week's Raw, then said they beat the current week's Raw, even though their current week's show ALSO lost to the current week's Raw...

Smeat, please save yourself the trouble and don't argue in circles.

That football comparison makes no sense at all since Browns went directly head-to-head against the Ravens which would be more like AEW vs. NXT and not AEW vs. RAW for that week's game.

What the Ravens or Browns did the previous week has no bearing on that head-to-head game.

Wait, people get banned here besides Heyman?

I love when xrod attempts an analogy. It shines a brighter light on just how badly he’s missing the point being made to him. It’s hilarious.

He does such a great job exposing himself as a fucking idiot lol

The smug vibe that came with that clearly ridiculous football analogy...

I’m picturing him kicking his feet up and thinking “CHECKMATE!” after hitting “post” and it just makes it better.

Exactly, the week before has no bearing on this week.

Raw beat AEW last week.
Raw beat AEW this week.

Fantasy comparing different week's does not mean AEW beat Raw for 2 days until they lost 19% of their viewers.

It means AEW lost to Raw.

Holy fuck, he’s doubling down on it.

This dude knows I don't read his posts, but I still see a blocked post from him after every post I make. Somebody tell him to get off my nuts already smh

Lol dipshit’s still trying to pretend he can’t see my posts even after getting caught. :lol:

The lack of awareness and logic is insane.

LOL AGAIN?!?!?

This dudes post count would be like 5 if he didn't reply to everything I post!

It’s not going away. It stings. Every time you read my post and have to pretend you didn’t because the other option is admitting you’re wrong... you die a little inside. Do the right thing. You don’t have to keep embarrassing yourself. It’s not too late.

If you can read this, mention your nuts.

Now that you’ve confirmed you can see my posts...

xrodmuc316... I am officially challenging you to a real fight.

xrod seems to have gotten cold feet after my challenge and deleted his post acknowledging that he was reading my posts.

I’d like to request that post be un-deleted.

Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time. Mostly when there is more than one post, but usually it is the same stuff. You swear, you call me names, but I never see the point.

Disagree with me, argue with me, great. Am I sarcastic and smug, guilty. What I don't do is insult other posters directly because it does not accomplish anything. It's why I have your posts ignored. It's not because you are a bad poster, but if there is no chance of discussion without getting cussed out, again what is the point?

As for a real fight, I'll concede. I'm not much of a fighter, more of a pacifist. Maybe it's why I don't throw personal insults around, I'm mostly trying to not get punched in the face.

My Pussy is All Elite

Also, 2-0

:y:

I would let Cody Rhodes fuck me with a crowbar

But seriously, xrod. If you’d like to discuss why your football analogy was bad, I promise not to call you names. You gotta actually read what’s being said to you and be open to acknowledging flaws in your points though.

And if you’d like to discuss Cody Rhodes fucking you with a crowbar, I know a lady.

It was purposefully supposed to be bad, to illustrate that comparing one week to another didn't make sense other than as a way to brag about something falsely.

Dynamite is a better show then Raw, more good and less bad. They should just take that Win.

But they just can't help themselves. If ratings are down for Raw 12% from the previous week, AEW shouldn't use that to brag, because when they themselves lose 19% of their viewers in the same week, they come across badly.

No. You think the analogy is bad in a different way than how the analogy is ACTUALLY bad. It’s bad because you’re comparing two things that aren’t comparable. Smeat already brought this up.

You’re saying “You can’t compare one week’s show with another week’s show because that’s like comparing a football team’s score one week to their opponent’s score in another week.” But it’s not. There’s a direct competition there. If you want to make that analogy with AEW vs NXT, go ahead. It KINDA works there because they are actually directly battling each other for viewers head-to-head in the same time slot. Just like two football teams are actually directly battling each other for points. There’s a direct effect being imposed by one side onto the other. That’s why your “The Ravens scored less points the week before so does that mean they lost?” argument was nonsensical.

The days between two shows is trivial. It’s possible for the latest episode of Raw to have lost to the latest episode of AEW. It’s also possible for the latest episode of AEW to then lose to the latest episode of Raw. Who cares how we designate what TECHNICALLY begins and ends a “week” by definition? It has no baring on the discussion.

And on a personal note, I think the main point should be that whether you wanna count Sunday as the beginning if the week, Wednesday as the beginning of the week, Friday as the beginning of the week, etc... The fact that there’s any week-long span where you can find any non-WWE wrestling show beating any WWE wrestling show in any demo is nuts. WWE should have such an insurmountable lead at this point that discussing technicalities based on when a week ACTUALLY begins and ends shouldn’t even be happening.

Fair points, it was an exaggerated comparison. If comparing shows that aired different weeks is apples to oranges, the NFL comparison is more apples to something far different than another fruit.

Calendars almost universally go from Sunday to Saturday. The argument can also be made that the week starts on Mondays, because the weekend ends with Sundays. This is how Nielsen defines their weekly ratings, Monday to Sunday.

When you say who cares how "we" designate a week, I take that as we here, posters on TPWW. That is not my issue with the situation. My issue is AEW personal, and writers like Alvarez and Meltzer who clearly have an agenda, for the first time ever hyping up a previous week rating in comparison to a current week rating just because it is a more favorable outcome.

I made another ridiculous comparison in the actual ratings thread how WCW Thunder in 2000 outdrew Dynamite. Of course comparing a show 20 years ago isn't a fair comparison, but if the parameters are set that we can pick a show from another week to use as a victory, then it suggest any previous week is fair game.

Last week's Raw beat last week's Dynamite. This week's Raw beat this week's Dynamite. An episode of Dynamite had a higher demo rating than an episode of Raw. All of that is 100% the truth.

What is false is for them to use Nielsen Ratings to say they beat Raw in the demos this week, because they aren't following the guidelines of what the week is composed of (Monday-Sunday) set by the company who's weekly ratings they are referring to.

They know what the weekly ratings report is. They know there is no Wedsesday to Tuesday weekly rankings. It is a false narrative they are pushing because they can't help but to schill and make themselves feel important at every turn.

that's a lot of words for no one who gives a fuck

It doesn’t suggest that. It suggests that it’s fair to compare two shows that aired within 5 days of another. Not just “another week”. There wasn’t a huge, massive change to the medium of television in that 5 days. There was in that 20 years since Thunder though.

You’re admitting it’s ridiculous to compare the two situations but then your conclusion is basically “Might as well pick ANY previous week...” The reason the comparison is ridiculous is the same reason your conclusion is ridiculous.

It is not that I think using Thunder is a legitimate comparison, it is that I do not think claiming a weekly ratings victory and celebrating when the shows were in separate weeks means what they are portraying it to be.

Comparing weekly ratings from different years and claiming a Thunder win is an exaggerated ridiculous comparison. It is more ridiculous than comparing weekly ratings from different weeks. The point was to maximize the absurdity to demonstrate that I do not believe AEW should be claiming they beat Raw in the weekly ratings based on shows that did not air during the same Nielsen week. They are bending the data to fit the narrative they want to tell.

It is factually incorrect that they beat Raw in the weekly demo ratings because the shows aired in different weeks. Not how I define weeks, how Nielsen defines weeks. Using Nielsen ratings but ignoring Nielsen parameters is illogical unless they are cherry picking the data to portray the end result they want.

This is an odd thing to harp on. They’re using Nielsen’ ratings because it’s the only method of gauging TV ratings. They’re “ignoring” Nielsen’s week parameters because why the hell should they care about the week parameters? Nielsen uses it for their own organization purposes. That’s it. It’s not done to lay down the law lest someone dare compare a show to another show days later that fell under a different week.

Is it really just the wording that you’re bothered by? If they just said “Last Wednesday’s Dynamite out-performed last night’s Raw in the key demo.” would you be fine with that?

Nielsen doesn't really use a weekly system for their ratings outside of social media activity and even that was a very recent addition.

Nielsen only tracks individual days for TV ratings so to them, it doesn't really matter when a TV week starts.

Television ratings are compared to the same week’s content. AEW has never beaten Raw. Stop being disingenuous.

As soon as I saw Raw’s record low number I knew AEW would be doing worse. As Raw goes, so does the industry.

If that was the case then nobody would be talking about ratings until after Saturday since that's the end of a regular week.

If your going to talk about ratings after a show ends and you want to compare it with a different show that hasn't aired yet for that particular week, then you take what was their most recent show for the comparison. That comparison is also valid since its still comparing shows that have aired within a 7-day week period.

Once that different show airs their new show for the week, then you make a new comparison since the data is now different.

On Tuesday, AEW's most recent show at the time beat WWE RAW's most recent show in the key demo. On Thursday, RAW's most recent show beat AEW's most recent show in the key demo.

Smeat doing a great job laying this out very plainly for simple-minded xrod.

Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.

credit for this goes to Supreme Olajuwon


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Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.

Remember all those times Nitro was compared to Raw from the previous week? No imaginary brick wall between those 7 days.

Come on, man, you can’t seriously believe this. Over the weekend, especially at this time of year, things change. People use their weeks to order time. That’s literally what a week is. Comparing a nothing Raw less than two weeks out from Christmas that went against a giant football game with a highly promoted super-show from the previous week is sneaky and dishonest. You wouldn’t compare an episode of Seinfeld from 1997 with an episode of Home Improvement from the previous week. You’d look at the two within the same week, because factors from the week could affect the programming success.

Besides, what did AEW even win? It didn’t win in viewership. It didn’t win in the 18-49 demo. It won something like 18-34 and that gets emphasized by people on a payroll and it becomes “AEW beat Raw” when it’s removed from its context, and that is just no accurate. It’s important to stick to the facts at least some of the time.

You are a parrot who copies and pastes his opinions from the dirt sheets. Whenever you are challenged on them you keep falling back to the same mimicked talking points no matter how obviously fraudulent they are. When called out about it you cry about how it isn’t fair poor you is being picked on. And you have the audacity to call anyone else narrow-minded?

Reporting that AEW beat Raw backwards through time is confirmation bias. Last week AEW didn’t beat Raw. It was 1.5 million viewers to 800k viewers, or something like that. How fucking dare you go on about someone else’s confirmation bias lol.

OMFG.

What part about AEW beat RAW in the key demo do you not understand. The December 9th episode of AEW did a 0.45 while the December 14th episode of RAW did a 0.41 in key demo ratings. AEW'd December 16th show hadn't aired at the time so it wasn't possible to compare its key demo number to RAW's December 14th show.

Meltzer and others around the sheets and net were not comparing overall viewers when the whole topic of AEW beating RAW was being discussed on Tuesday. And even when they were talking about AEW's victory, it was only in terms of key demo and not an overall victory.

You and xrod are comparing something completely different than what was being discussed on Tuesday just so you can boast about them being wrong.

Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares

No. Because they were head to head. They aired at the same time. You’re doing xrod’s thing where he compared a head-to-head matchup to one that’s wasn’t. And he even admitted it was a ridiculous analogy. You know it is, too. Stop.

Now, if you think there are ACTUAL factors that give AEW an advantage over the upcoming Raw specifically then that’s something that can be discussed. I’d go back to my original point that any wrestling show beating any WWE show at any point in any 7-day period in any demographic is pretty sad for WWE because they SHOULD have such a huge lead that this shouldn’t even be a discussion...

But the blatantly flawed analogies, man...

At least based on the podcasts and shows I listen to (Review-A-RAW & -Dynamite shows from Post Wrestling and whatever clips the Observer posts from their Radio shows on Youtube), RAW ratings usually just get talked on their own with some tidbits from SD and the Wednesday shows for any notable comparison purposes.

Tuesday's talk was only special because of the shock over an AEW show actually managing to top one of WWE's main shows in the key demo ratings in the span of a week. It was something that AEW had been creeping towards even before their "Winter is Coming" show happened but the speed of it happening was still a big shock since nothing like that has happened to WWE since the WCW days.

There’s no difference in comparing a Nitro one week to a Raw in the previous week if you’re going to do the same with Dynamite and Raw. They’re not in the same cycle of events. Call it arbitrary all you want, but the week prior is the week prior. The events being staggered and not being simultaneous doesn’t make that an accurate comparison.

You can say that AEW’s demo one week was higher than Raw’s all-time low. Or point out that Raw this week did worse in one particular area than AEW last week, but to say they “beat” Raw is just utter bullshit.

When that abysmal Raw rating dropped, you could tell that the AEW rating was going to be much, much smaller than it was the previous week too. Why? Because we are moving forward through time and interest in wrestling is decreasing.

This narrative that AEW is catching Raw is absolute bullshit. And you know that, you’re just arguing because you find xrod and me annoying. The true story is that wrestling had a really bad week-to-week slip because wrestling is disappointing. And all this bullshit from sheep like Smeat about how it was a landmark event because AEW has somehow overwhelmed Raw much earlier than expected is utter tosh. What happened when the Dynamite number came out? It was fucking smaller. They lost.

He’s an angry elf.

Yes. Why do they need to overplay it? Is it just to be their normal annoying selves? It serves no purpose and sets them up to look stupid when they brag for 2 days then lose 19% of their audience. They proclaimed a false victory and celebrated like a gloating little kid on social media.

:rofl:

Sigh, don't you think it's maybe possibly the other way around?

I'm not making up that Nielsen has weekly ratings that start on Monday. That fact is being ignored completely to pretend AEW beat Raw in weekly ratings, even though weekly ratings don't exist and the shows aired in different weeks?!?!!!!

Directly from Nielsen.com:

"Week of Dec. 7, 2020
Chart
RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 9.6 17,053
2 FOX+NFLN THU NT FOOTBALL FOX 8.1 13,636
3 FOX+NFLN TUES NT FOOTBALL FOX 8 13,540
4 SUNDAY NIGHT NFL PRE-KICK NBC 7.2 13,029
5 OT, THE FOX 5.8 10,429
6 FOX+NFLN THU NT PRE-KICK FOX 5.5 9,069
7 60 MINUTES CBS 5.5 9,098
8 NCIS CBS 5.2 8,530
9 FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 3 NBC 5.1 9,130
10 VOICE NBC 4.4 6,953
Source: Nielsen. Primetime Broadcast Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television. "

"Week of" is literally the first thing they list. Week of December 7th 2020 means the week, according to the company that tracks the ratings, started on Monday. The next week therefore is Week of December 14th 2020.

What it does not list, is Week of December 9th 2020 because, according to the company that tracks the ratings, the week does not start on Wednesday.

Also, FYI, Vince McMahon didn't invent weeks, so no I'm not actually getting that knowledge from Vince McMahon, and that is really weird that you think someone saying a week does not start on Wednesday is because they are biased by Vince McMahon.

Lock Jaw gets it. They have never, until this past week, talked about how Raw beat the previous week's Dynamite. Yet they are crowing over this great weekly victory now, for the first time ever, because it favors the side they want.

There are worse things happening in the world

Do you have a link to that chart since I can't find it on Nielsen's website.

Also that's a network chart which is handled and tracked differently than a cable chart which is where WWE and AEW shows are on except for Smackdown.

:lol:

The reason why nobody talked about RAW beating Dynamite in the key demos was that until last week's RAW, the inverse had never happened before which is why there was a big surprise over Dynamite doing it.

Prior to the "Winter is Coming" show, last time Dynamite hit a 0.4 or better in the key demo was of November of last year.

www.nielsen.com/us/en/top-ten/

Click TV, then Cable Network TV.

Week of Dec. 7, 2020
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RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NFL REGULAR SEASON L (BUFFALO/SAN FRANCISCO) ESPN 4.5 7,763
2 COLLEGE FOOTBALL PRIME L (LSU/FLORIDA) ESPN 2.6 4,622
3 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.5 3,724
4 TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.5 3,883
5 TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.5 3,980
6 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.4 3,703
7 HANNITY FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.4 3,637
8 HANNITY FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.4 3,769
9 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.2 3,327
10 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.2 3,349
Source: Nielsen. Total Day Cable Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television.

Exactly, they never compared a current week show with a previous week's show until they could spin it as "We Beat Raw this week!".

That is the bias.