That's two of the three rumoured changes confirmed. If they didn't mention the 3rd then it's probably not in because it's not exactly big enough news to get an individual reveal.

I'm interested in seeing what I can do with Red Focus.

It's multi-layed hyper-armor essentially. You can expand the parry-like application of regular FA to defend against combos and multihit specials (and supers it seems). I don't agree that something like this should be added without majorly restructuring Armor Break attacks, which seemed kinda arbitrary in how they handled it to begin with.

Having two Ultras at the cost of damage is a cop-out - just make it default to have two Ultras with no damage penalty. I have no clue why they went halfway with this, I imagine most players would choose adaptability over limitation since many Ultras are hard to land.

I appreciate changes of this magnitude in a five year old game but it's seriously starting to 'choke on its own system', similar to recent Call of Duty games. You can only alter the game so much before you need to rework the very foundation for actually new shit to work. Otherwise you're making new pictures with the same puzzle pieces, it won't make sense after a few attempts.

Would like to see the new character now.

I think it's good that having 2 ultras scales back the damage. Ultras are hard to hit because they do so much damage and because they're not really earned like supers.

Giving a player 2 without scaling the damage would have given credence to reveants opinion a while back that the game rewards you for losing.

This way it all stays balanced.

Having two at once doesn't suddenly make them easier to hit.

Yeah, but it gives your opponent less options. For instance, if you're fighting ryu, you have to adjust your play style to account for not only his anti air ultra, but also his projectile ultra. Some characters, depending on the situation of their ultras, are going to benefit enough from this where they'd be unbalanced if ultra damage stayed the same.

I'm saying that case makes for a more interesting game if it was default, rather than choosing one to be really powerful.

Agree to disagree

Pussy.

Get Battlefield 4 next Tuesday.

Well I was saying that above all balance should be most important. I don't care how interesting a mechanic is, if it tips the favor to certain characters, then it's flawed.

Also, not buying battlefield til I have an Xbox one or ps4. That won't happen til summer at the earliest.

Can't help but feel like the two ultra thing will prompt people to play even more cautious when the ultra gauge of their opponent fills, leading to really slow boring matches.

Having the choice of Chun-Li's two ultras would be pretty sweet

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Please don't tell me SF is going PS4 exclusive.

I have no clue what that ad is getting at, but Sony and Capcom have been chummy before.

Either SF collection, Ultra is exclusive or the whole SF series is exclusive for X years.

I kind of feel that red focus has been put in almost purely because of Rolento - the amount of multi-hit moves he had in the trailer was ridiculous.

Anyway agree that having both Ultras will become the default selection as it gives more options to the players. It really depends on the damage scaling if it does result in the other player becoming super cautious though.


Even with this change it'll still be less complex than any Arc System Works fighter :lol:

Red Focus was added to facilitate dual Ultras and force people to respect their 'Glass Break' moves more. Now you can build Ultra much faster but with more grey life on you, one jab could be very dangerous. Also makes the game a tad more aggressive which seems to be the theme of the update in general.

Rolento's still gonna be a bitch, though. Even without his jab pressure from SFxT he'll still be very tricky. He's basically a harder hitting Ibuki without the complex controls, and he'll at least be a better Rekka character than Yun.

I don't really pay attention to technical stuff like what makes a game more agressive or more methodical but if USF4 is going to be more agressive, I'm looking forward to it.

Another PS4 teaser video is up. Ryu drives a taxi around a city full of PS4 characters. You don't realise just how friggin' dull modern "A-List" characters are until you show them all togethor in a city. The most colourful thing in the video is probably Ryus headband.

What the hell is Sony and Capcom getting at with these?

It seems like a generic "Buy the PS4" video but, given the previous video focused entirely on Ryu and had SF references everywhere, it probably means something else.

I've read it could be a Sony exclusive character for USF4.

That would be a strange way of teasing that.

With the original video, i thought it could be something but, after the second video, it might be nothing.

Ryu in the next Sony Smash Bros? Exclusive SF game? Capcom had said they can't afford to make a next gen SF game. Maybe Sony is funding one on condition it's exclusive. I'm just shooting out ideas I've read elsewhere. See if anything clicks.

I've read on another forum that someone on Twitter has confirmed delayed wake ups and that having both ultras mean they do 60% damage.

60% is higher than I was thinking, given that it's going to be easier to build ultra meter.


Delayed wake up destroys the vortex game and should stop some unblockables but also ruins Gief and T Hawk.

Them having a harder time is well worth a game wide adjustment of that magnitude. They need personal buffs from there.

Yeah, delayed wakeup is confirmed.

I'm not technically minded, I just show up and SPD people but if it's something that's going to put me at a big and immediate disadvantage, that sucks. As long as the shotos work like a dream, who cares, right? :roll:

Then again, if someone delays standing up, I could get closer.

You gotta let go of this idea that shotos are treated special. It's not the case. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

DETAILS CONFIRMED

http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofie...se-information

New trailer by Capcom reveals all the changes and new stuff Ultra will contain.

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Capcom also debunked the rumors of Retsu from the original Street Fighter being the final character and instead said it will be a female character.

http://www.destructoid.com/final-ult...e-267524.phtml

A lot of rumors leading back to the new chick being one of Bison's Killer Dolls, particularly the black one.

Did the Dolls in the alpha games play like cammy?

Would really prefer someone with a new, unique style as opposed to just Cammy with a tweaked move set.

Juli and Juni did have Cammy's moves as a base, but that was more a limitation of the medium back then. I think doing a Doll nowadays would result in somebody who plays more unique than simply being a Cammy clone. At best she'd have the alpha Doll attire but that's it.

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Fucking hell kalyx.

Saw this bumped and thought they announced the new character. Instead, I get some shitty machinima video that will probably be god awful like everything else on that site.

This isn't a Machinima production, it's just hosted there like the fucking awesome Mortal Kombat Legacy series.

And like MKL, these guys give a fuck. This will be the best SF live action thing ever. All the behind the scenes stuff looks great. Check it out.

Decapre was revealed to be the 5th and final mystery character for Ultra.

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She's a bitch.

First impression, looks too much like cammy. Saw a Cannon spike and dive kick in there.

I realize there will be differences, but like I said, I was hoping for someone totally unique.

"She plays nothing like Cammy."

- Kalyx triaD, Cammy player.

While I'm also unimpressed, USF4 is generally unimpressive to me. This chick, while lazily modeled, is brand new. Had she had the same moveset under a different body people would be hype and all that.

Decapre is a legit clone of Cammy. So now instead of having a shit ton of Ryu clones (Ken, Dan, Akuma), we get a Cammy clone!

This kind of shit is why I stopped playing and supporting SF. Capcom, fix your shit.

Explain her being a 'legit clone'. Teach me something. How is this like the shoto triplets?

Neither of you knows for sure.

I just commented on her similar moves and movement.

Too early to say anything definitive.

I do know for sure. A fairly complete walkthrough video was put up on IGN the same hour as the reveal. Her entire movelist is out there. There's no fog of war here.

She's not a Cammy clone.

She just feels too similar Kalyx. We'll see how it pans out.

No, we don't need to see how it pans out. Her walkthrough is out. The only functional carry overs from Cammy are most of her normals and some special animations. Her normals, like the disparity between Ryu and Evil Ryu's normals, will probably not work the same (in terms of frame data and priority). And the Canon Drill and Dive Kick animations are used WAY differently. They even took away her ground Canon Drill; the one thing that behaved like Cammy's special.

She's as far from Cammy as Oni is from Akuma (two totally different characters). But I'm reading all over the net how people liken Decapre and Cammy as Ryu/Evil Ryu, and most disappointingly right here, when the case was closed the same night as her reveal.

Tell me you watched the walkthrough if we're gonna have this discussion.

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Yeah, Cammy would totally do all of that nonsense.

Eh, I'll give her a fair go before judging further but you pretty much already know C. Viper, Cody, and Cammy are the only 3 I really give a shit about right now.

Wait... when the hell you picked up Cody?

Maybe 8 months ago? Kind of on a whim. No rhyme or reason to it what so ever.

Tempted to do the same thing with Rolento now too, if he makes the cut into Ultra.

He'll likely be way more dangerous in Ultra than SFxT. And I hate him in SFxT.

Gonna keep at Makoto.

Gonna get good with her if it kills me.

Slightly off-topic; Rekindled my relationship with Chun-Li and picked up Marshal Law in SFxT.

The R. Mika/Retsu stuff at the beginning of the trailer is some fine, fine trolling.

I'll probably pick this Decapre broad up because I dig my Cammy, but still. This is some lazy shit, Capcom.

Rolento or Cody?

Rolento.

Feel like Elena is going to be much better here than in sfxt. Might give her another shot in this.

Picked this up in again in the last few days. The results have been disastrous enough to make me consider foregoing Ultra entirely.

Rusty?

I imagine the only people still online, are the people who never stopped.

There may be an influx of newbies when Ultra hits, so I wouldn't count out getting it yet.

Decapre's alternative costume:

http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/27330...lt-noscale.jpg
http://www.destructoid.com/not-a-cam...e-273306.phtml

Good thing they put a lock on those chains.

She looks much better in-game, I guess.

Girl loves locks like Liefield loves pouches.

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YESSSSSS

Ok that looked bad ass

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Had a set with my brother (some may remember a Wicked Bison) for the first time in a million years. It's funny, he hates SFxT and I sweep him up in it. Then we go to SSF4 and while I'm not too crazy about it, he's just riding on my rust really. Really weird adjusting to this game, but one thing that comes to mind most is how much safer it seems to jump in or rush somebody down.

Focus Attacks was really tricky putting back into service.

When Ultra drops my stable may include:

Cammy
Sakura
Ken
E.Ryu
Oni
Decapre

Chun Li may make the return since I've been rediscovering her in SFxT. May drop Vega all together. Looking at Makoto.

Makoto is a fucking whore to get good with, but if you can even get just decent with her, you can body people, as they aren't typically used to fighting her.

Capcom states PSN will get Ultra first on June 3rd, followed by XBLA on June 4th, disc versions on August 5th, and Steam on August 8th.

http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/ultr...ne-/2300-8884/

Capcom announces Ultra will not be having an updated Trials mode at launch nor will it arrive until after the launch of the digital upgrade version.

http://www.screwattack.com/news/ultr...new-characters

God damn it, I have to wait til the 16th, when Super goes gold to play this, since my disc got lost in my recent move.

Why the fuck is Super the Game with Gold release for the 16th instead of the 1st? Wouldn't releasing it now prompt more people to buy Ultra on Tuesday?

lol

SSF4 AE is now free for Gold members. I'm downloading it and Ultra right now. Once more into the fray.

I'll have it thursday.

If anybody wants to get some feel good wins against me do it soon. I am totally free and probably will be until I shake off SFxT habits and timing.

I'd say I'm down, but I'm probably going to be trying boost combos and special cancels just as much.

You should do what I'm doing. I'm gonna play mostly Makoto, Gouken, and other characters that aren't in SFxT. Then once I'm back in the SF4 groove, I'll go back to the others. Easier to break sfxt habits when you're playing as someone you've never applied them to.

Fuck though, 6 gig download and then ultra on my shitty mountain internet.

Maybe I won't have it by thursday.

Just in case it decides to speed the fuck up, can I play you guys if I only have Super or do I have to have Ultra? Seem to recall with the last update you could play A.E. people without having it yourself.

I've been rocking E. Ryu and just getting the more 'commit heavy' gameplay down. I should be less embarrassing by the time you jump in, and of course once Khuntry and the guys get some sessions in.

I don't know. I'll just make a room later and see if I have that option to set the last version.

Cool. Even with my internet it should be done before Thursday. I'll hit you up when I've got it.

I wont have Ultra until the game gets its physical release. I'll probably go DL AE.

Also get your YouTube channel in gear. Online and offline battles are saved for optional upload to your YouTube. While I do have a capture device anyway, I will be testing it to see quality and such. In any case you may not have to wait on me to upload some matches.

If you can download AE can't you get Ultra digitally as well?

Yeah but, if I get the physical disc, I'll get all the costumes and those weird new ones for Hugo etc. I'd also rather have a disc over a download whenever possible.

I'm the opposite. A disc can break or get lost, but you can always just redownload a digital game if it gets deleted.

I keep my games on a shelf so I don't have to worry about that. Though Scribblenauts Unlimited vanished in January and my nephew and I spent the entire day looking for it. Still have no idea where it's gone.

I'm pretty much going digital unless there's no digital version. All X1 games launch digital same day so I'm only going to stores for controllers now.

You both clearly have a greater trust in the technology than I do. I let friends/family borrow games too, so that's another advantage.

Saying all that, I download a lot. I currently have 80+ games downloaded to my Wii U alone. That's not counting Wii downloads.

Thing is, sharing digital games was gonna be at launch before Microsoft cock blocked in saltiness from their big 180. It will come back, and it will be cool.

Played AE. Glad I didn't pay for it.

Has anyone had really bad wear and tear on the analogue stick through playing fighting games? Mine is wrecked.

No, but you play grapplers with lots of 360 motions. Zangief killed your controller!

Damn my skills!

The most wear and tear I seen a controller go through was those damn DBZ games. Every sub-mechanic was designed to destroy your controller. 360s (that you had to 'race' against another player), mashing, stick tilting, constant trigger pulls, everything.

I guess it's better than Mario Party that would destroy your palms.

At the very least Nintendo controllers have a decent lifespan.

I've had every Nintendo console and only two controllers have broken. One was a Snes pad that my sisters friend mutilated by pulling out the start button and the other was a GC controller that just seem to jam. The stick is always going up-right.

Other than that, the pads are nearly indestructible.

We have GCN controllers used mostly for Smash, like three of them. From two gaming generations ago. As a point of comparison, I must have went through six 360 controllers by now.

Oh my god, so fucked in this game SFxT has ruined me. Fucking loose timing and combo off everything shit.

Well I have Ultra now.

Lost to a Hugo player that I would have bodied a couple years ago. I'm with you, Kalyx. I'm with you.

I like that Makoto's EX DP hits standing opponents now. Opens up a lot of possibilities.

Might give Decapre a try. Dunno. Seems like a complex character.

She's alright. Some sick stuff will come after you reconcile her speed with her charge nature.