A 3hr show is just not doable every week. That third hour is always going to suck and when you use that to skewer the WWE Raw rating, it doesn’t really reflect how each hour does in its respective slot. USA seems fine with the third hour being what it is. I don’t think WWE are concerned by a show-wide average.

Rampage bleeding viewers on a day where 90% of the workforce was at home.

Definitely a terrible number for Rampage. I couldn’t even be bothered laughing at them anymore.

And you’re not wrong about people actually being at home. TV viewership was up dramatically for a Friday. People just chose to watch college football and a dancing baby or whatever.

Wait, Tony Khan made an actual appearance on Rampage?? :rofl:

Oh, I meant an animated dancing baby or whatever it is yanks watch on TV at New Year’s. But your joke about people watching college football OVER a dancing baby works too.

Lol, nope I was saying Tony Khan IS the dancing baby, because all he does is cry and stamp his foot :rofl:

(It’s not as funny when you have to explain it)

It is not AS funny, but it is still pretty funny :rofl:

The Brock effect

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Raw, Monday on USA Network:<br>1,716,000 total viewers<br>P18-49 rating: 0.45 (592,000)<br><br>Highest total viewership since October 4.<br>�� <a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/31p7EfnpqA">pic.twitter.com/31p7EfnpqA</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1478750073668440066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He didn’t have to explain it. Hence my comment about people watching college football OVER dancing babies (AEW).

And people say he doesn’t draw.

Wait until Meltzer puts out a thing saying that Brock has never been the draw Kenny Omega is.

. In Japan Kenny is a much bigger draw than Brock was. Brock wasn't even putting on good matches like Kenny.

Kenny definitely has more classic wrestling matches than Brock even though they both do a similar suplex over and over in their matches.

Kenny is probably a bigger star than Brock in the eyes of most fans because Kenny wrestles every week and so statistics say that Kenny is the bigger draw and ratings star because he appears more often than WWE's Brock Lesnar.

Plus Kenny has merch in many different areas from shirts, toys and is EVP of AEW and leads AEW games. Kenny reach is further than Brock because Brock just shows up here and there and then goes back to the farm.

Kenny's matches also are much better.

Also the first Monday of the year is always a huge ratings night for cable tv so that explains why WWE has a big rating from Monday.

Tony Khan sits up at night alone crying into his white claws because he will never have as big of a star as BRRRRRRRRRROCK LEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSNARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

685K for NXT New Years Evil, which is up about 4%

Love this. :lol:

1.01 million for Dynamite’s big debut.

In the eyes of most fans? I'm being 100% serious here when I say you are literally the first person I have ever heard say Kenny Omega is a bigger star than Brock Lesnar. Brock has mainstream appeal and recognition; no one outside of wrestling fans has any idea who Kenny is.

AEW back over a million for their debut on TBS, nice

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite finished #2 on cable for its debut on TBS, per Showbuzz Daily.<br><br>18-34 audience was through the roof for the show. Rating in that demo was up 79 percent from last week.</p>&mdash; John Pollock (@iamjohnpollock) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamjohnpollock/status/1479204408118452227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">P18-34 viewers were 239,000, which is Dynamite’s fourth-highest in the history of the program. <br><br>It’s also a larger aged 18 to 34 audience than either Raw or Smackdown have done since Smackdown on November 26 recorded 266,000 viewers in the age group.<a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/hCOyQXZujG">pic.twitter.com/hCOyQXZujG</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1479204208947699716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I told you guys that AEW on TBS would be a huge success

The Big Bang Theory is a much more reliable and consistent lead-in than random movies on TNT (no offense to 'The Accountant')

They threw everything they had at this show and still barely cracked a million. This was definitely a failure. Next week will be back under a million. They will probably never hit it again. They have no more tricks up their sleeves.

I still couldn’t care less about ratings. But cracking a million is nice. Imagine calling that when AEW debuted in this timeframe.

Wait, so now the important number is the percentage increase in the 18-34 demo??? Anything to spin the win :rofl:

They got 1.4 million when they debuted...

Then 1 million became “fine.” Then it became the baseline. Then it became a giant success if you got it.

Exactly, people love using the "Move the Goalpost" phrase, but they change what they hype. I guess that even though TNT and TBS are owned by the same company, TBS only really cares about the 18-34 demo, that silly TNT wanting to care about the extra people aged 36-49, well that is the old way of looking at things!

A millions great.

I was told they’d never hit a million again

Oh I see yet another “never hit a million again” prediction. Curious how this one will be backed out of when AEW inevitably hits 1 mil again.

Compared to what? NXT? I’m not even sure it is more popular in any context than a week-to-week loyal cable viewership.

It’s not a great number compared to most of what’s in the Showbuzz charts and what’s left off (reruns, etc.). 1 million people from the entire United States.

And we’ll also see if the show started off strong with a lead-in and then the audience dwindled. Or what happens in coming weeks.

A millions excellent.

This week Big Bang Theory fans were surprised with something new after their show. They all watched and saw it sucked. They will tune out immediately next week.

I posit the superfan who would still be watching BBT would also find interest in the physics of such a spectacle. They will continue to watch, figure out the secrets of the industry, create an algorithm that will select the best candidates for said spectacle and take down both WWE and AEW and lolTNA.




WOOOOOOOO!

Why?

It’s not just superfans. BBT is watched by more people than watch Dynamite and Rampage put together, as if they were unique individuals. WarnerMedia signed them for a deal apparently worth $1 billion in 2019.

A millions spectacular.

Aaanyway...

This popped into my social feed, probably the most interesting ratings read I have seen, which frankly isnt saying a lot.

https://wrestlenomics.com/2021/07/19...-trends-in-tv/

And this is a perfect example how people can take some numbers, leave out others, and spin the story into what they want. It is confirmation bias at its finest.

Dude compares WWE live ratings to other sports, since WWE has declined more in ratings. However he leaves out the fact that the rest of "non-sports" TV ratings are down more than WWE in this timeframe.

Then he acts like he is acknowledging that fact, but really he has transitioned to DVR viewership. He states more people watch WWE on DVR than live sports, however compared to non-sports and non-news programs (because he just randomly decided to exclude news programs in the middle of all this) WWE doesn't hold up to those DVR viewerships.

WWE has declined less than traditional TV, likely because that is offset by the larger number of people watching traditional TV on DVR instead.

The truth is closer to being WWE is down the same amount as traditional TV when combining live viewing and DVR viewing. But an article about how WWE is just like the rest of TV is not an interesting story.

WWE is in a grey area, more live than normal TV, but less live than sports (and news), more DVR viewership than sports (and news), but less DVR than normal TV.

I agree with Xrod, a million plus us outstanding.

im optimistic. if they can consistently hit 1 million thats no small fea for a young product like theirs.

Agree, when the overall market appears to be shrinking i would be impressed if they can hover around that mark for a while.

the big thing is the advertising revenue. if they can consistently have this kind of performance theyre going to see a lot of growth. theyre operating at a loss currently and this is good news on that front

I thought interest in Brock/Lashley would get a good bump in ratings but I was wrong

1.63 million for RAW

RAW was going against the National Championship. God vs Satan in Hell in a Cell for a main event wouldn't have increased their ratings last night.

Poor Raw, going up against The National Championship only got 1.63 million viewers. Too bad Raw is not the powerhouse AEW is on Wednesdays unopposed, or they could get 1.01 million viewers too!

Wait...

https://www.tpwwforums.com/images/editor/menupop.gifIt's not fair to compare!!!!




or something




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Battle of the Belts did 704,000 which is better than I figured it would do, huge success again for AEW.

That's interesting, will they finally fight?

Yep at Royal Rumble!

:lol:

:lol:

NXT losing to a show called Assisted Living, the demo just wasn't young enough

https://i.postimg.cc/sDnBk4Mz/NXX.jpg

I hear John Cena’s hosting a game show on TBS that debuted its 2nd season last night. The biggest star is wrestling over the past 20 years! TBS is becoming quite the Mecca for wrestling fans!

Also, congrats to WWE NXT for cracking the top 40!

They got more viewers and the same in the alleged key demo. And that’s also with an OTT presence. Plus, just because a show is about old people doesn’t mean it’s geared to old people.

Showbuzz charts are such bullshit.

AEW prediction for tonight's rating with big WARDLOW vs Cm Punk... 1.25 million

I think you’re selling them short with that one. I’m going to go…1.55 million. They won’t be Raw, but they will come close with the power of TBS and Wardlow’s star potential and biceps!

969k for Dynamite. That’s about a 6% drop. Just wait until people find it though.

Oooooooo WWE Heat on wwe.com called. They want their ratings back.

969k is a great number. Outstanding show too, more happened in the first hour than has happened on other shows in months.

It doesnt look like CM Phil has changed the culture :rofl:

https://stillrealtous.com/wp-content...cm-punk-22.jpg

AEW under a million hahaha stupid bitches

That doesn’t mean anything good happened. And sometimes less is more anyway. It’s better to give logical and genuinely beneficial things time to breathe.

The Miz is legitimately the bigger wrestling star of the two. I don’t think anyone can deny that at this point.

Rick what will you say the next time AEW inevitably hits a million plus on their ratings?

Nah your wrong, I’m not even going to bother give reasons anymore. Your wrong, show was fire, felt action packed, ratings are great to.

Hahaha, have you ever given a reason ever? You like what you like. That’s fine. It doesn’t mean it’s good or popular though.

Not sure he knows how to make an argument that isn't completely subjective and based entirely on his feels.

What I don’t understand is how TBS is going to justify keeping Dynamite in this slot when The Big Bang Theory does better ratings than it. I can’t be fucked checking the schedule, but did they push it earlier or later? I think I said somewhere that it could be a strategy to push people towards streaming too.

It’s not necessarily doom and gloom, but you would think that TBS is definitely taking a hit in advertising revenue from that slot. I guess that station could be making bigger profits elsewhere (does moving BBT to somewhere else greatly increase the revenue they would have been making from those slots, balancing things out?). But to see people pumping their arms about 900k on TBS is just reflective of where the times have taken us.

Yeah, but what don't they celebrate? No matter what happens they act like they are the kid that broke the Piñata .

Rampage could pull a total of 17 viewers and the narrative would be "Well yeah but 100% of them were in the 18-49 demo!"

Yep. And if it turned out they were all over 50, the narrative would change to that being the important demo now.

Seriously, with so many AEW fans being 48 and 49, watch the argument change over the next couple of years when they have birthdays.

The US is probably very different, culturally, but thinking about it, I don’t think I know a single person in the 18-49 demo that still has cable. I know one person who uses their parents’ service through an app remotely. So I don’t even think they would count in the 18-49 demo, should they be a Nielsen family and directly reported that.

Do advertisers actually WANT the people who pay money for cable services in 2022? Or would they prefer the younger people who are smart enough to stream that shit.

Yes. Hence commercials.

Rampage

showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-friday-1-14-2022-top-150-cable-originals-network-finals.html

Did 526,000 viewers and a 0.20 demo, coming in at #20 for the night. Down about 60,000 and 0.04 from the week before.

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah but they were number 1 in the 22-46 year old Canadian Nationals living in Mexico demo!!!!

This is the change people have been waiting for. Clearly.

1.61 million for RAW up against the big game

It helped that it was a blowout.

Lol, Raw sucks. AEW almost got half of what they did across their 3 primary hours of cable.

587k / #50 for NXT 2.0

Curse of Oak Island show really popular


https://i.postimg.cc/TPrXP754/ki2iahktmuc81.jpg

Over a millions a good number…

That’s almost a Rampage number.

1,032,000 million for Dynamite! Watch out WWE! Only 600k more to go to tie it with that third hour holding it back. *shadow boxes*

You can do this! Now you’ve just got to get another wrestler addicted to a substance so you can promote their return. What’s Brodie Lee’s kid doing?

Wow. NXT officially demoted from a war against Dynamite to a war against the late Friday night B-show. How the mighty have fallen.

We have the DEMO, Noid. Only thing happening at WWE is reruns and reboots. We have original wrestling happening in a creative environment. We don't accept one man's vision, nobody will be renamed not even if you have the same name as two very famous wrestlers that both died before their time. Watch out, AEW is taking over. We are in control now and it won't be long before you're precious WWE will only be remembered for the anonymous Raw GM and did Randy Savage have sex with an underaged Stephanie McMahon?

https://i.postimg.cc/yxhFyRgY/AEW.png

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite: 1.03 million and 0.44</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1484275382152929282?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More impressive, AEW beat both NBA games and was No. 1 on cable last night.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1484282625468497921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite beat RAW in 18-49</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1484275514600689668?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

NBA is less popular than I would have assumed, or is it all streamed now too?

The real question is, do these 2 idiots actually tweet back and forth to each other while in the same room???

Have you seen Meltzer’s office? There’s no room for a second person.

I think Alvarez is in Washington state and Meltzer is in California

I agree, a million is a great number.

Correct

Meltzer lives in San Jose and Alvarez lives in Bothell, Washington

That is like an hour plane ride

I’ve lived the vast majority of my life in Northern California. Further north than Dave even. I can attest that this is quite a trek just to tweet in the same room as another guy. Seems silly and pointless to make that journey, IMO.

I dont even know why we are pretending AEW got a million because they are good. They got a million because Cody returned, plain and simple.