Trying to remember what the main event of Wrestlemania 32 was, and I seriously can't remember...... drawing a big blank.....

Fucker took his Tipsters winnings and skipped town. Probably enjoying a life of luxury somewhere in the Bahamas. Damn.

Oh yeah..............

Just read first issue of Boom Studios' WWE comic book.......... revealed that HHH did not "ok" Seth Rollins cashing in his Money in the Bank at Wrestlemania, and was not "happy" with Rollins acting without his permission and "slammed him against a wall" when he got backstage and warned him "not to ever go against his wishes again".......

So this Rollins/HHH thing goes back further than we thought...... the tension......

Yeah, and then after I remembered I thought "Oh yeah, that was a mess of a match with all the outside interference and everything" but then I remembered "oh wait, that was HHH vs Sting at WrestleMania 31"

And every time Rollins mentions on RAW about how he missed Wrestlemania last year, I have that instant where I am all "Huh? I have no memory of him missing Wrestlemania"

Basically what I am trying to say is that I seem to barely be able to remember that Wrestlemania 32 occurred, and constantly think of 31 as the last one.

Rock vs Cena 2 feels like it's gonna be the last WrestleMania main event ever that felt "WrestleMania-worthy". Unless they go Cena vs Taker. The drop-off has just felt insane since and all the part-timers who can bring that genuine "big fight feel" are gonna retire or die soon. Depressing.

It may be, but it had a predictable finish. Didn't really know Rock would win thevery first one. It could have been the retcon torch pass.

It's the range with what they expected ticket sales to be at this stage. Texas is a big walk up crowd, so they'll probably have more tickets out the door by show time. In 1997 they didn't have a large stage blocking off seats, which they will this year, so in reality capacity for wrestling is probably closer to 55k. It'll look amazing on TV.

Only on the internet would selling over 40k tickets to an event be seen as lol WWE.

Maybe you can finally stop watching and take your negative attitude to another genre. May I suggest Live PD?

Supposedly the WWE is trying to persuade FloSlam to drop EVOLVE from their network as payback for the generosity the WWE has given them. EVOLVE would then move onto the WWE Network instead while also no longer needing to worry about the restrictions WWE has for their indie talent.

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What? WrestleMania 30 was good.

Daniel Bryan vs Randy Orton vs Batista wasn't anywhere near as huge of a deal as Rock vs Cena. That was my point. It could have been on any B PPV and not felt too big for it. Rock vs Cena was a true "big fight" WrestleMania match.

respectfully disagree via story of Daniel Bryan winning title/overcoming Authority finally was a WM-level storyline

True, even a crowd of 40k will look HUGE on tv compared to normal crowd...I remember when RAW was at Rogers Center in Toronto (site of WM 6 and WM 18) and crowd looked massive despite not being a sell-out. Same for WCW Nitro at Astrodome and Georgia Dome.

I think SummerSlam could and should be held in a 30-40k outdoor stadium to be honest. Lots of soccer stadiums in the U.S. have that capacity, StubHub Center in L.A. and Sporting KC Stadium both come to mind.



I think this is the first time noted poster The CyNick and noted poster sliksuke nakamura have been on the same page. A very notable moment on this very noted day.

Without even getting into whether or not Bryan, Batistia and/or Orton were huge stars who brought a "this is a huge deal" feel like Rock/Cena did... he'd already won the title. That "moment" even happened on a PPV a few months before. So even from that aspect it's kinda overrated.

I think #1-wwf-fan might be the most negative person on the boards (which is generally full of negative posters)

Am I wrong?

Pretty sure I just voice it more. You pretty much said/implied what I felt when discussing the forgettable nature of the last WrestleMania main event.

Yeah, a lot of the time

I still like you, though, because I am positive and like everybody

Even as Mr. Positivity, I wouldn't have to go far back in your posts to find you saying pretty much the same things I've said about shit booking, forgettable, poorly put together storylines, etc. That's saying something.

Royal Rumble next year in Philly.

Probably won't go

Sort of agree mainly because Rock-Cena I & II had both guys as big mainstream stars and Bryan-Batista-Orton only had Bryan as the big mainstream star.

Both matches still had the "big fight" feel to them but in different ways. Rock-Cena I & II were stronger in star power but weaker in actual storyline while Mania 30 was weaker in star power but stronger in storyline.

I hate to break this to you folks but Daniel Bryan is so overrated on these boards its unreal. I dont think anyone gives a damn about him or his history. I wouldnt care at all if he came back. I would laugh or maybe raise an eyebrow i dont know. He was no where near as good as everyone acts like he was. Nor was CM Punk for that matter. It cracks me up to see these posts.

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Yeah. At the very least, he definitely wasn't a "big mainstream star".

If it does close. Lesnar Goldberg will be a pretty big main event in terms of legitimate star power.

Lesnar Reigns, imo, had a big fight feel. But that was more with Lesnar's aura than anything Reigns was bringing to the match.

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"OK, you be me and I'll be Brock. GO!"

Something about Lesnar-Goldberg main eventing doesn't do it for me. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the fact that it's the rematch of a squash. Maybe their first WrestleMania match is still in the back of my mind and this could be a similar situation. It might be the best option sadly though.

Reigns vs Lesnar had potential but it ended up basically being a heel vs heel match. Although the match was booked pretty perfectly for Reigns to get over as a face until the end.

I vaguely remember Daniel Bryants WM Title win. I know it was 3 way, i think HHH was in it, i cant remember the other guy. I'm a huge wrestling fan, and this is what Daniel Bryant is to me and the majority. It's the same reason i laugh when someone tells me Kenny Omega is going to debut in the Royal Rumble. LOL ??? Why? 90% of wrestling fans have no clue who he is. I barely know who he is. What would be the point of debuting him? He's not getting anymore over by being in the RR. It cracks me up.

Disagree since he was generating a lot of outside press and "YES" stuff becoming big in the mainstream. WWE being way too stubborn to take advantage of it and Bryan's body breaking down at the worst time possible were the only reasons why it didn't last. Had neither occurred, he would have been the perfect person to use as a bridge for the Cena and Reigns eras.

Last time something as organic happened for the WWE was the Summer of Punk stuff and Punk's record breaking modern WWE reign.

I disagree. The last time something organic happened for the WWE was Enzo. I know that is not a popular opinion, but for a 2 month span that guy had the mic and he had control of everything. And WWE just didnt have the guts to just go with it. And it's understandable. He's teamed with Cass. Cass has a lot of potential, but if we're strickly talking " organic ". Enzo had that for sure. They just didnt pull the trigger.

Let me expand

They should have went nuts with the hot mic Enzo carried. Now its so so. But if they had, they could have pushed him a bit and then they could have slingshot Cass over him with a fued between them and put the prototypical big man up there. But they missed that. Or passed on that. And it dont really make sense.

Cass is way more ready than Corbin atm. But it comes down to what shows they are on i guess.

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Agree on they should have pulled the trigger sooner at least in regards to a tag title reign and using it to boost their star power for something bigger in the future. WWE being petty against Demoltion ended up hurting them a lot.

Cass is probably a few years away from becoming a potential big star and think if they separate before then, its going to just be a repeat of the Cryme Tyme situation. WWE favored Shad a lot more than JTG but quickly lost all interest in him because his solo run was failing or moving slower than they wanted after the split.

I think people expect too much positivity from a guy named #1 WWF fan. Maybe you and Cynick should change names.

... Holy shit... I just now realized the irony of that. Mind blown.

I can see that. It still has aura to me though. They are two legitimate stars. And there's a story there that makes sense regardless of who goes over.

With Reigns Lesnar, I feel two things hurt it. Number 1, Brock at that point was pretty much a face. He was over as fuck and getting face pops since August the year before. Two is that Reigns was being completely rejected by the crowd. The way the match was though was perfect.

Reigns looked good, even though I personally didn't care for the smiling stuff, and Lesnar maintained his monster terminator gimmick while also giving Reigns some shine.

It would've been better had Reigns actually gotten the big win and the run of beating Lesnar. If they were dead set on Rollins cashing in, have Lesnar go ape shit on Reigns, or have Rollins sneak in during the celebration and go that route.

But still, the felt like a pretty big main event. I will admit Taker Reigns has a big fight feel. Big dog trying to claim the yard. Makes sense, only if Reigns goes over though. Taker doesn't need the win, but Roman does.

We definitely have different definitions of "big mainstream star". Bryan was never a household name.

Until he is an internet meme he is not a big mainstream star

The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.

Once in a Lifetime

Omega says he will likely sign with New Japan in Feb and will not be at the Royal Rumble ppv. Says do not expect him to show up and be disappointed. He is a known liar, though. So, who knows?

I'm sorry but you saying that Bryan wasn't a star in the eyes of wrestling fans and then proceeding to say that Big Cass is ready to be a main event star is just the most ignorant and flat out stupid thing I've seen from someone who isn't called CyNick around here. :rofl:

Bryan wasn't a "mainstream" star like the Rock or Cena, but he was damn well a star to the majority of wrestling fans. Kids, adults, marks, smarks, they all loved the guy. He was every bit on the level of an HBK, Triple H, or Bret Hart when at his peak and to say otherwise is just laughable.

In all fairness your definition of mainstream star means that literally no wrestlers outside of the Rock, Hogan, and maybe Andre the Giant were ever mainstream stars then. Household names are people who the vast majority of the general populace can identify without any background information given. I'd argue that many modern day pop stars and tv/movie stars don't even meet that requirement. Like, Michael Jackson is a household name, but Justin Bieber? Not so much. That doesn't mean Bieber isn't a superstar, but he's nowhere near as well known as Jackson.

Even if he were to show up at the Rumble, it would be as just some random fan at ringside since his NJPW contract doesn't end till days later. WWE would be opening themselves to a potential big lawsuit if it got find out they were in serious talks or he made a handshake deal with them.

They were already sued once before in recent years by TNA because of similar issues and think it got settled by the WWE.

If you polled the people doing it, I'm willing to bet 95% of them wouldn't know the origin.

Seems like Tugboat's health recently took a turn for the worst according to Bushwhacker Luke.

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Seem like I remember hearing about it happening at some other sporting event maybe two times.....

Also, it was not an internet meme

Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.

Sure they would. "When Harry Met Sally".

I remember Fandangoing happening at other sporting events a couple times. Fandango was not a superstar because of it though. (Despite the fact that he should be a superstar for other reasons. Fuck WWE.)

Still find it fascinating at how fast WWE managed to torpedo Fandangoing as a popular thing within 2 weeks or so.

Started as just a random thing done because the crowd was really bored during a RAW After Mania show. Managed to spread in popularity outside of wrestling as a new craze. Within a week or two after the WWE gets their hands on it, the whole thing dies off very quickly.

Its such a goofy thing to do but somehow WWE's associated stink managed to make it no longer fun to do.

WWE came off like an old guy who accidentally does something that people find funny or cool and then when he realizes it, he's like "You youngsters like that!?" and then starts doing it on purpose and it's awkward as fuck.

That's the exact feeling I had as soon as Jerry Lawler came out on Raw like "You guys hear about this Fandangoing craze!?"

Funny how people who look so fondly at that gimmick fail to realize it was a joke and was never going to be anything more than a short lived comedy spot. What was the big payoff with Fandangoing? Do you think it was going to become a new dance craze that swept the nation?

Nothing more than just something fun and goofy to do at events. Believe it was already being done at a few sporting events as a victory celebration prior to the WWE trying to claim it as their own.

Any real payoff would have been the WWE doing its best to capitalize on it as a potential start for making Fandango into a bigger star than he ended up becoming afterwards. Doesn't even need to be in the main event or mega star tier in order to be considered as a success.

The problem with Goldberg/Lesnar to me is that the story was "How will Brock react after being embarrassed?" Well it's literally no different than any other Brock appearance. To sell this, Brock needed to be an out of his mind, urgent, uncontrollable killer. Nastier than ever.

Instead, we're getting the slow paced beatdowns, staredowns, etc.

The 2015 suspension angle with Rollins after WM31 was good stuff, and that's the kind of segment that belonged the night after Survivor Series to sell how Brock had completely snapped.

In short, the picture doesn't match the story here.

I think if you asked most people over 40 they'd barely know Bieber's name, and people outside the U.S. and Canada even more so. That said maybe an Ed Sheeran or something would have been a better choice. Meh.

Anyway, I'd agree with Bryan not being mainstream, but that applies to most guys. I'd put Bryan in the same spot as Triple H in terms of star power, at least before the retirement. Punk got a tad bit higher, but overall I think both men got cut short. I honestly believe given time both could have reached much farther.

Also looking like they are planting seeds for the AJ/Shane feud, since AJ has spoke about how Shane is against him as Champion.

Styles defends in the Chamber, lasts the final 3 with Orton and Wyatt who beat him down with a few hope spots mixed in. Orton/Wyatt agreed pre-match to take out the field first, then fight, but immediately after the Abigail/RKO spot, Bray Abigails Orton to eliminate him. Then Wyatt eliminates Styles for the belt.

Orton's hot, earns match at Mania against his former leader.

Styles, on the transition to becoming a full-fledged babyface, calls bullshit on the Chamber and the way he was treated by management. Sets up a street fight with Shane.

Also feel like Samoa Joe is going to screw over Cena on Sunday. I'm sure it's been posted before so don't wanna take credit. Feel like Vito may have. Anyway, Cena vs. Joe has money all over it. Joe is one of the last true heels around, alongside Miz.

Add Taker/Roman for the Universal, Jericho/Owens, and HHH/Rollins

Don't worry man. Logic doesn't always work with everyone. Thought I think Bryan could've been a "mainstream" star (or at least bigger than he was) IF WWE hadn't fucked it up.

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What other WrestleMania's are on Rock/Cena level?

It didn't help that Fandango got concussed a month after.

The way the WWE could have kept Fandangoing "Hot" would be to have Fandango yell at the crowd and tell them to stop, etc.

Recently? Not many. The lack of any real stars being produced makes it tough.

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No I mean out of every WrestleMania what others are on that level?

Pretty much any of the Hogan, Austin, Rock ones. And a few of the Cena ones. Basically the ones that had huge stars in it. I'd even say Batista vs HHH was worthy at the time because it actually seemed like it would be the birth of a "face of the company" and not just a main event that is interchangeable with the main event of any other PPV.

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So the 6 years between that match and Cena/Rock were all duds to then right?

Between Batista vs HHH and Cena vs Rock?

Yeah, and the 3 years before Batista vs HHH.

No. I said "and a few of the Cena ones".

Which ones?

lol Cena vs HHH was a pretty big deal. Cena vs HBK, even though HBK is my favorite of all time, felt kinda lacking. I can see the point being made either way. HBK seemed pretty set as the guy there to put everyone else over at that point which was obviously what he was there to do. Made the match feel like less of a big deal. I could also see an argument being made for HBK's retirement match.

As for the three years prior, Hogan vs Rock SHOULD have been. I think most of us agree putting Jericho vs HHH on as the main event was a bad idea for the exact reason I've been talking about.

My wife just figuratively pissed herself when she saw this.

He'd be a Jap Brodeus Clau

Brodus Clay was an awesome midcard fun babyface until they just started feeding him to everyone.

I'm ripping this off from another forum post because it's funny and true

I disagree on the 2 year thing. The guy has really improved in the last year. They have to do something fast with him. Dont let him be just another big man. He has so much potential. I really like Cass over Strauman.

WWE looks as if they've tried to reward him a bit with this break out feud with Rusev, but it's really not enough. He deserves a little more. They got to get him going towards the top somehow. They cant let the dude turn bland and then decide to push him.

"the whole storyline was supposed to lead to the debut of Scott Vick (formerly WCW's Sick Boy) as Katie's avenging brother. Instead, the reception was so bad that WWE decided to abandon the entire thing altogether. HHH beat Kane, Katie Vick was never brought up again, and Scott Vick was let go without ever making it to TV."

Never heard this about the Katie Vick angle before.

Give him the battle royal win, and a shot at the US title as the prize. Build him up to cash in for the belt at the next brand exclusive show and then have him go on a tear.

Yeah getting hurt early into his push didn't help but WWE pretty much lost all interest in him even though he was only out for a couple of weeks.

They managed to ruin the Fandangoing thing and make it corny and awkward like a week later. By the time he was out injured, there was no momentum to be ruined.

They've had plenty of opportunities where they could have done something with Fandango (including dropping the gimmick and actually pushing him because he's a fucking prototypical WWE superstar under it all... Fuck this company.)

Based on most of the "rumored plans" stuff I think I have WM figured out.

Rumble winner - Orton
AJ Styles retains
Owens retains
Charlotte Retains
HHH gets eliminated by Seth Rollins
Gallows and Anderson win Tag Titles
Stroman eliminates Undertaker

Bray Wyatt wins the WWE title at Elimination Chamber (vs Cena Ambrose Styles Corbin and Ziggler) Samoa Joe debuts and attacks Cena.
Goldberg beats Owens at Fast lane when Jericho interference backfires.
Finn Balor returns at Fast lane to help Gallows and Anderson retain vs Sheamus/Cesaro

AJ Styles is pissed off at Shane McMahon for making him defend the title in EC. The Miz is pissed at Daniel Bryan for not including him in the EC match...
Nikki Bella wins a SD Women's Championship Elimination Chamber match

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Goldberg © vs Lesnar Main Event Universal Title
Bray Wyatt © vs Randy Orton WWE Title
Chris Jericho © vs Kevin Owens US Title
New Day vs The Club (Gallows Anderson and Balor)
AJ Styles & The Miz vs Daniel Bryan & Shane McMahon
Nikki Bella © vs Mickie James SD Women's Title
Charlotte © vs Sasha Banks Raw Women's Title
John Cena vs Samoa Joe
Braun Strowman vs Undertaker
HHH vs Seth Rollins
Big Show vs Shaq
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8 man Cobrand MITB Match Reigns vs Sheamus vs Cesaro vs Rusev vs Dean Ambrose vs Dolph Ziggler vs Luke Harper vs Baron Corbin (I couldn't figure how to get all of them on the card and it makes sense to have MITB be on a cobrand ppv vs having it be SD only)

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Saw that story a few days ago. Figured security would be tighter at a wwe event lol.

In reference to AJ styles stuff getting stolen by hoodlums.

Nigel is doing the Kickoffshow.

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He was World Champ once he left the Cruiserweight Division, teamed with Eddie Guerrero, then feuded with Eddie Guerrero. The CW Division was a distant memory at that point.