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Austin begging him here to get himself over. But it wasn't in the script so he cowered away.

He was the World Champ. He was already over.

Carm is the weakest, but even she's not that bad.

I think Eva Marie will surprise people with her abilities

Being champ is one thing. Being over is another.

What are her abilities?

Presence

I want STD to describe Jack Swaggers run now.

Everyone seems to hate James Ellsworth but tbh he doesn't bother me at all because he's probably never had a break his entire life. Too scrawny, too broke and people make fun of his appearance. This big run with WWE will be over in a year and then he'll probably go back to being some guy who can't catch a break, struggles with his bills and people make fun. Let's let him have the time of his life in the meantime.

For those that missed Talking Smack, Daniel Bryan threw a dig at Creative for being horrible at making new stars and mega stars.

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Or he'll be swept up by TNA (which will still be on the endangered species list) on his release and be their World Champ within a month.

I agree completely. People need to chill the hell out about it. Wrestling is nothing but a massive cartoon at this point. We all need to either move on or just learn to accept it and have fun with what it is. Be happy that a human being is living his dream and getting paid to do it.

Damn! Fans are fucking desperate these days.

The equivalent of Brooklyn Brawler continuing to beat Hogan in the 80s.

Haven't seen his Ziggler stuff, but I would agree totally with this. Much more deserving than a Dean Ambrose for me. He has the personality of a main event heel for sure.

Just heard Becky on the Austin Podcast good stuff.

I liked it. Bunkhouse Buck as his Daddy was funny. Smackdown World Heavyweight Title always meant less than the WWE Championship when it was on Raw.

Thought he was good as the cocky as shit heel.

Apparently The Revival have some heat in the WWE due to recent tweets by Scott Dawson.

After every Takeover, Dawson and Wilder usually tease about showing up on the main rosters next as part of a running gag they have on Twitter. Might have gone a bit too far this time when Dawson trashed Smackdown's tag division during its tag turmoil match yesterday.

Among the people who got pissed off was Road Dogg who is the lead producer and head of Creative for Smackdown.

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Rasslers falling for workers working

Story gets a bit weirder since both sides ended up doing the opposite or reversing roles once the whole thing became public.

Dawson both apologized and deleted the tweet while Road Dogg and Bubba tried to play it off as them just joking when they started to get backlash for their own tweets.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/201...n-nxt-tag-team

They're two of the biggest asshole characters on the show, and have said much worse in promos. Is twitter sacred ground or something?

Might be some sort of unwritten rule where you don't publicly trash those on the main roster regardless of it being a joke or not if your not among them.

Last guy who did something similar was Tough Enough winner Josh who trashed jobbers and/or low tier wrestlers in the WWE and got hit with bad backlash in return for it. Same thing like Dawson where the tweet(s) got deleted although don't remember if he apologized as well.

Bubba Ray sounds like a lil bitch

sounds like he Bullied (Ray'd) Dawson into deleting his tweet.

And this, kids, is why you can't get heat in the modern era.

Tyson Kidd and WWE currently rumored to be in a dispute regarding his contract status and Total Divas stuff. May or may not be a reason why Natty suddenly got more tv time recently to persuade him to drop whatever potential legal issues he has with the company.

In regards to Total Divas, Kidd stated he wasn't happy being suddenly pulled from this season and said it was the WWE who made the call for it to happen. Would be the 2nd guy pulled from this season after Del Rio revealed the terms of his release meant the WWE couldn't show footage of him for more than a few seconds.

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There was a rumor a while ago about the WWE considering letting Kidd's contract expire quietly since they no longer wanted to pay him beyond the minimum owed.

The guy's career ended on their watch. Wouldn't his story actually be good for Total Divas? The guy was finding a personality -- couldn't he do Superstars commentary for them or something? Be an Ambassador, etc. Seems petty by WWE, even though it's understandable they wouldn't sign him for a three year full-time wrestler's pay extension.

What fucking idiots. Bubba Ray and Road Dogg, not Dash & Dawson who are trying to work. A pretty silly thing for Dawson to say. He could have phrased it in a way that didn't bury the concept, but rather the strategy of them appearing in it.

I swear, maybe WWE should let Vader teach a class on how to use Social Media to promote yourself. Get him one more decent pay day before he dies.

Just fucked around with an ideal WrestleMania 33 card given the current circumstances. This is what I came up with:

Main Card:

* AJ Styles (c) vs. John Cena for the WWE Title
* The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
* Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg
* Big Show & Shaq vs. The Spirit Squad
* Triple H vs. Shinsuke Nakamura
* Chris Jericho & Kevin Owens vs. Cesaro & Sami Zayn
* Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
* Charlotte, Becky Lynch, Sasha Banks & Bayley vs. Natalya, Emma, Asuka & Nikki Bella
* Shield Triple Threat for the IC Title
* Heel New Day vs. American Alpha for the Tag Titles
* Dolph Ziggler vs. The Miz in a First Blood Match (provided that you can get it past sponsors, etc.)
* Brian Kendrick vs. Gran Metalik for the Cruiserweight Title

Kickoff:

* Sin Cara vs. Kalisto in a Mask vs. Mask Match
* Enzo & Cass vs. The Usos vs. Blake & Murphy vs. The Fashion Police
* Carmella vs. Naomi vs. Alexa Bliss vs. Summer Rae
* TJ Perkins, Adrian Neville, Rich Swann, Cedric Alexander & Akira Tozawa vs. Tajiri, Drew Gulak, Oney Lorcan, Tony Nese & Ariya Daivari

Dominick for World Champ. He's YOUR Papi now.

You just accept whatever the WWE throws at you huh?

I've got a feeling The Revival are Raw-bound, unfortunately. I'd much rather see them tearing things with with American Alpha on the blue brand, but at this point none of the current Raw teams feel suited to end The New Day's title run, so The Revival might be brought in to do it.

#DigDiggityDigDiggityDogg

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Jesus, I didn't think it was that bad.

Daaaamn.

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Show has trimmed down a shitload.

Not sure on his theme but he mentioned in another interview how his name was one of Vince's little sly references, The Big Show (TBS) a dig at Ted Turner.

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Austin Aries' new gimmick:

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I always wondered that actually.

And Show is, in fact, looking phenomenal.

When it comes to Cass, I don't think he's experienced enough to carry being a heel. They've lucked into a situation where they have a big dude that has a likable enough personality and he's human enough and inexperienced enough to be fighting from underneath against the right opponents.

Think he might have been a heel during his early NXT days but also had Enzo around almost from the start for it.

Them turning into a face team was pretty much an out of nowhere type moment. Just randomly turned during the middle of a feud even though nothing about the feud actually caused it to happen I think.

Oh god. Oh my fucking god. That is filmed so badly. Sheamus is also such a jerk. Generally Racist Sheamus was the worst. It reminded me of 2006 DX -- the guys that's sense of humor is to say "cock" and then slap you in the back really hard because they are laughing so hard.

That was the absolute worst. And shit like that has a much wider effect on casual viewers. How can people take that shit seriously? It's disorienting, makes no sense and shatters the suspension of disbelief. Who pieced that footage together. That and the "evil villains talk to each other in front of the camera as if no one else is watching" bullshit are the absolute worst hangovers from the Attitude era.

Camera-wise, it was just the WWE trying to do the same style they did with the Team Hell No stuff earlier.

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Don't think they did more of this style after the Sheamus stuff. The people at Full Sail might have been in charge of the filming since its right around the time WWE rebranded NXT into what it is now.

Watching that Sheamus promo...ugh. Mentioned it in the Raw thread this week but I could never do a full-on watchthrough of Raw on the Network like so many do. You couldn't pay me enough to relive all of the Raws from 2012 to now when they moved to 3 hours and almost nothing was going on.

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http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/conten...-thor-ragnarok

So apparently John Cena has a role as himself in Thor: Ragnarok!

After listening to the latest Talkin Shop, I'm 10000% in on Braun Strowman

Yup, physically the closest wwe have ever had to a young Andre, (or an old andre when he was heavier) but a much better worker, pity they used him well below a level they should have. He's been flipped from heel to face and back close to 30 times at last count. :-\

Alexa Bliss is quickly becoming one of my favorite people on the roster. Also, Roman is a goober.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Reigns should drop the Spear altogether and use the Superman Punch as his finish.

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I've been saying this forever. The spear has been done to death, and Roman doesn't do it any better than anyone else. Also kind of dumb to have have two different running strikes as signature and finisher. The superman is unique and looks cooler.

A man who hasn't wrestled in 13 years did two better spears than Roman, although Roman was channeling his inner-Goldberg by giving Shane a concussion.

Superman Punch looks goofy as hell though. That crucifix bomb he's been doing would be a better finish though.

wow, he's smiling

That crucifix bomb looks really vicious too. I hate its only used for a near fall when it should be more devastating. Maybe during his heel turn.

Superman Punch is no goofier looking than many other finishers, if you actually think about them. That said, it looks pro wrestling-y, but can actually knock a person out.

Now, if you'll let me channel my inner Kris P.

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Her abilities is to look good and flaunt it. So yes, if she goes the Sasha route to wear less and less to the ring you will be right.

Cody Rhodes is now GFW NEX GEN Champion.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2016/11...exists?ref=yfp

the one with the piano at the start was our go to drunken theme in the olden days i think he was in his big nasty bastard mode then

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisJerich...type=3&theater
made me laugh

SCG Radio have a new podcast up about Takeover, Survivor Series and beyond, and they totally nail things. Their predicted WrestleMania cards are chilling, but that's the way it's going to go, I realize.

Do they even have tv?

I bet the 10 people there really thought they were part of something

I didn't mean superman punches in general, I just meant Romans.

Nice one! About time someone took GFW down a notch.....................................................

My question is did they use the gold JJ buys to make that belt?

lol You're really into shitting on indy feds just for existing for some reason.

indy feds dont have top stars as regular stars. It's just a bad pro league

Wow, what a huge get by Jeff Jarrett! International Star Cody Rhodes!

They have a little more money than the typical indy fed. That's the only difference. lol

How else are he and Rene going to sell copies of their new workout VHS tape?

Not playing the bid, but would be a lot better if Reigns just dropped the whole pumping his wrist like he's loading a shotgun thing and slamming his fist into the mat and running from the corner to execute it. Would ideally just be from #StraightOuttaNowhere during matches, just like he does it when brawling. Would look a whole lot more organic, IMHO.