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Originally Posted by Simple Fan
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Doesn't matter if Saudi Arabia is a democracy or not. The whole point of democracy is to hear everyone's ideas. The people of Saudi Arabia have no control over what their government does so I don't see a reason to punish these people by pulling the show. And yes what I seen from WWE's first event in Saudi Arabia they showed how the country was progressing to let women have more rights.
We kill our own in the US every day so I don't see this Saudi Arabia problem killing a journalist a big deal. Shit happens every day over here. As far as the women go that's their culture and its getting better. I couldn't give a shit about it. If the WWE is going to put on a big show for these people and treat it as a big deal than as a wrestling fan I want to see it.
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That is exactly the problem. WWE is showing this place as a progressive regime when
it really fucking isn't. I read a thing about a woman (the woman?) they got to appear actually being put in prison for expressing herself. They are spreading these false messages to cover up human rights abuses. That's what's so egregious about this. I honestly didn't care when they just ran a show. I didn't care when they run China despite that being a complicated nation. It's the fucking disgusting fact they call it "progressive" and brainwash marks like you into placation so they can behead more women.
The US's problems are many, but what the fuck does that have to do with what we're talking about? It's a straw-man to marginalize the regimented evil in Saudi Arabia. It's irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Simple Fan
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It's still a great deal for WWE and I don't see this as a reason to pass that up. Yeah it's all propaganda but if you're not used to that with today's media than you are doing pretty well. I could care less what goes on in Saudi Arabia unless it's a WWE event.
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Then you, sir, are a cunt.
And on a further point about "everybody does it, so what's the big deal?", the thing about this is that almost every other entertainment property and many big businesses have actually pulled the fuck out, because they know how toxic this is. So no, not everybody is doing it. WWE is, which is the point -- not what happens in the US.
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Originally Posted by Simple Fan
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Alot of people ignore the problems in the United States when they're given something like this in another country to worry about. You're being worked by the media to ignore what's really important.
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No one is ignoring the problems in the United States. Wtf? You can care about two things simultaneously. And the statement "what's really important" is incredibly disgusting. The issues in Saudi Arabia are very important. Fuck you.
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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan
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Gotta agree with Dave here. Regardless of how anyone took it, he clearly MEANT it as an insult. That was the whole joke. It wasn't just a passing reference to wrestling's homo-eroticism. It was "LOL Wrestling's gay! Now let's all have a laugh about it, audience!"
Now... how offended you wanna be about it is up to you. But the context was clear.
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I get what you're saying here. It was a little cringe in terms of delivery. It's just that he isn't wrong, haha.
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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan
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The John Cena “You can’t see me” joke after was pretty cringeworthy, too. I’m more offended by the bad comedy than anything.
Also I think you’re adding your own spin to make it funny. You know about Goldust and Darren Young and wrestling’s history of preying on gay stereotypes. I highly doubt he was going any deeper than “lol sweaty men grappling. GAYYYYY.” He was mad at WWE for being pro Saudi Arabia and needed to burn them and that was his way of doing it. By insulting it for being homoerotic. Lol
Low-hanging fruit isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Just... put a new twist on it.
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I don't disagree that it wasn't funny. There is an amazingly barbed rant about WWE's hypocrisy and their history of disgusting promotional tactics. I'm not a big fan of John Oliver, honestly, or the left-wing "let's take easy shots at the dumb Republicans" comedy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel and it often feels like punching down. I wouldn't defend it as a sterling example of wit.
I think what is telling about it is that even with his comedians and research teams, and all the press WWE is getting in regards to this deal, people
still don't give a fuck about WWE enough to dig beneath the surface and actually probe them for the insightful stuff. There's an amazing take-down piece on WWE and how they run ship waiting to happen, but no one with brains is going to waste them on this company, which is why they've gotten away with shit for so long, haha.
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316
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I love when PC conflicts with PC. If dude just called somebody gay there would be protests and boycotts calling for his job. But calling something gay as a way to push a PC agenda like "how could WWE still do business with Saudis after what they did, I mean we already know they are gay but come on!" and suddenly it's cool.
Saudis kill a journalist, and everybody should just exclude the whole country from everything, and you are a monster if you dont. But the President says he doesn't want refugees cause a few terrorist posed as refugees, and he is pure evil. It's all about spinning a story.
It's like that lady who called the police on the kid for what she thought was him grabbing her ass. She would have been a #metoo #timesup hero if it wasn't for who she called the police on, but she failed to realize a white woman calling police on a black person is more offensive than a woman being sexually assualted. End result, she gets mocked with cute nicknames and has to apologize.
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It's not PC contradicting PC. It's not that Oliver was saying that being gay is a bad thing. The perception about wrestling is that it's full of men that are afraid of the idea of being gay (not true, but again, no one cares enough to follow), so it's calling them out on the
latent homosexuality. It's like when a super-conservative gets caught having a gay affair in a bathroom stall. There's nothing wrong with being gay, it's the hypocrisy of guys going around acting like "men" and then being idiosyncratically what they pretend to be the opposite of.
If the audience saw it as an anti-gay slur, they wouldn't have laughed and Oliver would have gotten heat for it. It probably wouldn't have made the air. They think about these jokes. The joke was not at the expense of being gay, it was at the expense of wrestling. That being said, I do think jokes about latent homosexuality are passe, easy and off in their aim anyway. And it is far more applicable to wrestling two or three decades ago -- back when it was culturally relevant. The writers were probably thinking about Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior more than they were thinking about Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose.
The rest of your post doesn't really make sense to me, haha. They're completely separate issues. Not doing business with an oppressive regime and not accepting refugees from those regimes are actually
opposite issues. I don't see a contradiction there at all. And I'm not that familiar with the story about the kid and the woman beyond the headline, but from what I read her statement was based on fear and prejudice? I don't really want to get into that, but it sounds like you're making some massive sweeping generalizations there that don't accurately reflect the issues.
