BDC is stating an opinion based on limited knowledge. If HBPunk were to do that, what would the reaction be?

Waaaaaaaaaaait a minute.

Why am I dragging myself into this?

Forget I said anything.

Get the fuck out of this thread right now and don't ever open it again.

I found it interesting how the mic cuts off right when he's about to tell a story about Vince as if its something Vince doesn't want Punk to reveal and then completely cuts off all audio feed so Punk has no chance to say it.

He was able to trash everything up until that point of the promo.

None of those types post here.

There are plenty of "we hate everything exccept WWE" types though.

I dont have a problem with Del Rio at all, except for the absence of Ricardo's freaky face right now, but Punk vs Cena at SummerSlam sounds better. WWE slightly dropped the ball saying Punk's contract is up at midnight on the same night as MITB cos thats a bit too coincidental. You are right about the main two interesting feud's right now though.

Oh absolutely. I was so enraged by your 'keyboard warrior' comment I couldn't walk away. It's ruined my whole night, or just kept me entertained for a little while. One of the two.

They've really thought outside the box with this one. I don't think I can remember a feud leading to a PPV that has been booked in this way.

It would be interesting to know Punk's actual contract situation and if this program is a last-ditch attempt to get him to agree to an extension, or if they're resigned to losing him and giving him a good send off. It's unusual they'd give someone leaving this much attention, so I'm hoping it's the former.

Yeah i mentioned that halfway through this bitching session, nobody else was trying to help you out so ehh thanks?

PS - Football manager is acting so slow right now so thats why im here getting my dentist work done

Maybe you should do some work then?

Leave HBPunk alone, guys.

Also, BDC has shit taste in wrestlers. He doesn't even care for Swagger. What a nincompoop that guy is.

Everything except WWE does suck though. Why is WWE broadcast to millions of homes around the globe and everything else is in a toilet in New York? TNA is the closest thing to WWE and everyone slates the shit out of it. Iv watched it and its tripe, its WCW-lite. Iv watched ROH and it is nothing but an ECW but sometimes people love to root for the underdog or go against the grain to be cool. If everyone would take a look at themselves in the mirror they would admit that WWE is the best thing going in wrestling today and its been that way since about 1998.

Of course wins and losses dont matter in wrestling to a certain degree and he was jobbing at every PPV in sight but im guessing it just got to him big time when he saw utter tripe getting pushed ahead of him. Its the same complaint Chavo Guerrero had recently that led to his release. However Chavo cant touch Punk for charisma no matter how superb he is in the ring

I do sort of agree with BDC about the shoot style promos, though. It's easy to just speak your mind outside of the confines of the "rules", but WWE (and professional wrestling in general) has created it own (cough) universe where things are just a certain way and we're happy to accept things as such. A REALLY good promo is one that is both pertinent to the story, but also works within the confines of the 'universe'.

As a nerdy internet fan, I did enjoy Punk's promo. It was poignant and it was delivered with a beautiful conviction, but let's not pretend that it took a tremendous amount of talent (which he definitely does have) to do it.

I do sort of agree with BDC about the shoot style promos, though. It's easy to just speak your mind outside of the confines of the "rules", but WWE (and professional wrestling in general) has created it own (cough) universe where things are just a certain way and we're happy to accept things as such. A REALLY good promo is one that is both pertinent to the story, but also works within the confines of the 'universe'.

As a nerdy internet fan, I did enjoy Punk's promo. It was poignant and it was delivered with a beautiful conviction, but let's not pretend that it took a tremendous amount of talent (which he definitely does have) to do it.

For anybody keeping track, BDC and I are homies for life.

This is like saying McDonalds is the best food in the world because there are more restaurants.

The WWE's popularity doesn't necessarily translate from the quality of their product. Generally, a lot of the wrestling is good but you can't honestly say you'd prefer a 5 minute skit involving Hornswaggle over 5 minutes of Davey Richards against Eddie Edwards?

Oh definately. The same way in which emo and scene-kids talk about obscure bands in an attempt to look cooler.

You should cut a CM Punk style shoot promo on your last day, sitting Indian style on top of your desk.

And DAMNiNATOR WTF?? Teddy Long must have some huge secret on Vince because that guy having a job is beyond a joke. He lost his appeal when he was just a manager of Jazz and that other bloke. Didnt the Undertaker kill him a while ago??

Shhhhhh. Don't bring that guy back in here. He's clearly out of his fucking skull.

Yeah that was awesome but the tornado tag from raw was ten times better again and that was pure wrestling with no big spots to hold the crowds attention. Im not saying WWE is better BECAUSE it is broadcast worldwide, it is better and THEREFORE is broadcast worldwide. WWE has reached mainstream which allows other smaller companies to attempt to grow

Would definitely be down for some CM Punk in NJ.

This whole deal is pretty much awesome in every way. Heated angle. Punk gets time away from WWE / can go do what he wants / door is open for a return. Punk vs. Cena is always good. I'm all for anyone trashing Johnny Ace. Good stuff.

I cant stress this enough but FUCK emo kids. Thos little tight ball hugging jeans they all got on look like shit and testiclewise, they make zero sense.

:rofl: Rodney Mack.

DAMN iNATOR still has a few glitches in his software that need tweaking.

100 points to you sir, he wasn't worth a google but my goodness he blew

Rodney Mack was also John Cena's bodyguard for a hot second. Perhaps he'll have some involvement with the Punk feud? Makes perfect sense, really.

A good amount of talent is needed or else you'd end up with a mess or ramble of a shoot similar to Vince Russo's shoots in late WCW or when TNA references WWE in random promos.

Punk's promo does manage to stay within the idea of the universe because the main focus of his complaints were that everyone just accepts whatever the universe dictates which explains why he never gets to be on weekly programs or appreciated a lot more. R-Truth actually has been attacking this idea a lot with his "little Jimmys" promos but never at the level of what Punk did last night.

The reaction of the crowd was also a bit special since they didn't start booing him as if they sort of agreed to what he was saying but didn't want to break the idea of the "universe" by cheering him.

If Punk brings in Rodney Mack, B2, Carlito and Jesus then i will track you down and personally wash your house, car and/or testicles

Oh, I'm sorry. Are we not friends anymore because you're no longer King of The Forum? Well too damn bad. I serve a new king and that is NerF. You don't like it, kiss my ass, because with "friends" like you who needs enemies?

When you call all of the titles "imaginary", I don't think that's working within the confines of the universe. Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from Punk, as he is obviously a performer of many talents, but I think it's much easier to cut a promo like he did last night than it is to make something like a Kane/Edge program feel believable, for example.

So with Punk, Truth and to a lesser degree Mark Henry are we seeing a change in WWE's strict PG rated, ignore all sense and logic philosophy?

You didn't just say that. Tell me you did NOT just say that.

Don't forget, he also managed D'Lo Brown, Mark Henry, Rosey, Chris Nowinski and the "Reflection of Perfection" Mark Jindrak. And that's all from the cranium too, didn't need Google or Wiki.

You are aware that not every ROH match has big spots? Wrestlers in ROH rely on these 'big spots' no more than they do in DragonGate or TNA. No-one criticised Kurt Angle for jumping backwards from a cage during that god-awful match with Jarrett last month, but they jump on the bandwagon whenever ROH is concerned.

It's the same way people dismiss CZW as garbage wrestling without giving it a second glance. There are some very good wrestlers and events, but because the Tournament of Deaths receive more attention than anything else it does, CZW will never get any recognition.

Depends on what you define as 'better'. As a wrestling company, one would assume this means wrestling, but it doesn't. The WWE got big through clever marketing, Vince's aggressive takeover strategy in the 80's and Hullamania. None of those things, particularly the third item, have anything to do with good wrestling.