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GD 10-02-2019 09:09 PM

PAC-K wins! Bah Gawd!

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:10 PM

PAC 2-0 with both wins being over important guys due to ref stoppage. That's excellent.

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:10 PM

PAC vs Hangman was pretty good overall. Best match Page has had in AEW soo far.


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5289019)
Not watching RN but even Tony's MLW is sharp. He's so focused and his cadence is on point. Plus, yes, he knows everybody.

Keep in mind, the years have been kinder to Tony than JR. I just don't think JR has the energy and the strength to stay consistently on top of everything.

Besides age and some life issues in recent years, JR has struggled a lot adjusting to the faster pace of modern wrestling. Had that issue during his time with NJPW and early on with AEW.

He still one of the best when it comes to generating genuine emotions for matches.

Triple A 10-02-2019 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5289038)
My only fear is that every match is gonna be really competitive. If every match is “close” then it kinda makes wins and losses feel less meaningful because they could all go either way. I hope they eventually start using some guys just to job.

Cody said in some interview that "quality of wins" will also matter, like college football rankings, and MJF beat Cutler pretty easily so seems like they will do it right

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:11 PM

PAC 2-0 with two submissions over two of the guys who are supposed to be top stars.

Instantly invested in him now.

ClockShot 10-02-2019 09:11 PM

The Doctor is in.

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:11 PM

Pacing of the first hour was pretty wonky. Opening with a match with the crowd white hot because it was the first match and then just a quick match (possibly truncated) between Cutler/MJR... and then everything else was just commercials and promos.

I get it, but given that NXT is throwing out a Takeover basically, I'd have gone a lot harder for the first hour.

I'm sure they'll figure it out and refine their formula. The rough product so far has been good in that it has been mostly serious/direct stuff. They had the celeb appearance and stuff, but it's not like Vickie Guerrero projectile vomiting on Stephanie McMahon or whatever.

GD 10-02-2019 09:12 PM

Mrs. Cole makes an appearance.

GD 10-02-2019 09:13 PM

Not really keen to watch this one. Going to flip over.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-02-2019 09:13 PM

Nyla Rose squash coming? She's got great music.

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:13 PM

I have an enormous crush on Riho

xrodmuc316 10-02-2019 09:14 PM

Sigh, I was most hyped about that match coming in, but that was fairly average.

I know Hangman is one of the Elite, but I think it's time to pull back on the presenting him as a top talent for the time being. He is too bland and if he can't get a barn burner with Pac, something is clearly missing.

slik 10-02-2019 09:14 PM

Let's go Riho!

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:15 PM

I think Nyla is gonna win.

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5289038)
My only fear is that every match is gonna be really competitive. If every match is “close” then it kinda makes wins and losses feel less meaningful because they could all go either way. I hope they eventually start using some guys just to job.

If wins and losses matter but all the matches are close, I still think that's a vast improvement over WWE's 50/50 booking in the past--I haven't watched lately to know if it's actually any better than it was. Ideally if you have someone that's won like fifteen matches straight versus somebody that's won a few matches and lost a few matches, the guy with the streak is going look better and have more momentum. But, even in "real" sports, there can be close games/upsets even with a lopsided game on paper, so I wouldn't be TOO worried about "even" matches.

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:16 PM

There is more in the division to challenge Nyla than Riho.

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:16 PM

Going to commercial before a match begins and not like seconds to a minute after it starts is another good thing AEW is doing for their show compared to WWE. Same for not having a bunch of commercials breaking up the flow of a match.

Helps make things feel more enjoyable to watch overall.

Droford 10-02-2019 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5289055)
Nyla Rose squash coming? She's got great music.

Riho beat her earlo but I can't see her winning tonight

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:17 PM

Imagine after a few years when AEW finds the guy who they want do an undefeated gimmick with. After sticking with the wins and losses that is a sure fire hit.

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru Dave (Post 5289054)
Not really keen to watch this one. Going to flip over.

Not putting Hikaru Shida--or a few others--was a mistake, I think. I get the dynamic they're going for, but these two strike me as pretty low on the crowd-investment scale.

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:18 PM

Pretty clear Nyla will win and Britt will be her first challenger

xrodmuc316 10-02-2019 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5289060)
If wins and losses matter but all the matches are close, I still think that's a vast improvement over WWE's 50/50 booking in the past--I haven't watched lately to know if it's actually any better than it was. Ideally if you have someone that's won like fifteen matches straight versus somebody that's won a few matches and lost a few matches, the guy with the streak is going look better and have more momentum. But, even in "real" sports, there can be close games/upsets even with a lopsided game on paper, so I wouldn't be TOO worried about "even" matches.

I'd much rather a wrestler lose 6 close matches in a row then win lose win lose win lose. It tells a far better story.

slik 10-02-2019 09:18 PM

Can that belt even fit on Nyla

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:18 PM

Fatnassy booking Nyla Rose vs Nia Jax

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:19 PM

Lol. Tiny title belt.

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:19 PM

I don't mean to offend anyone but I do think that Riho probably tastes good.

xrodmuc316 10-02-2019 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5289073)
Can that belt even fit on Nyla

Needs that Mark Henry/Big Show ECW belt extender :lol:

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:21 PM

I just cackled at that double footstop counter, that ruled.

Triple A 10-02-2019 09:22 PM

Don't think there have been any long ass chin locks where the person getting the chin lock just sits still for 30 seconds... glad.......

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:23 PM

Oh man if you can't take Nyla down with high cross from the top to the outside, you fucked!

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5289081)
Don't think there have been any long ass chin locks where the person getting the chin lock just sits still for 30 seconds... glad.......

I give it a month before MJF does it to piss people off.

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5289060)
If wins and losses matter but all the matches are close, I still think that's a vast improvement over WWE's 50/50 booking in the past--I haven't watched lately to know if it's actually any better than it was. Ideally if you have someone that's won like fifteen matches straight versus somebody that's won a few matches and lost a few matches, the guy with the streak is going look better and have more momentum. But, even in "real" sports, there can be close games/upsets even with a lopsided game on paper, so I wouldn't be TOO worried about "even" matches.

Upsets are fine. I just worry about EVERY match being competitive. Parity in real sports suck. When you can script it, you should try to avoid it. Simply making wins and losses matter is definitely an improvement over WWE booking. Hopefully they pay more attention to detail than just wins and losses though.

Heisenberg 10-02-2019 09:23 PM

I love how enthused Kevin Smith is with all this wrasslin' on TNT

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:23 PM

Just want to say this ref, Paul Turner, best in the biz.

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:24 PM

Ouch

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:25 PM

Britt Baker hasn't grasped that when you're a special guest on commentary, you're meant to talk

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5289092)
Britt Baker hasn't grasped the purpose of being a special guest on commentary

LOL

She sucks.

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5289085)
Upsets are fine. I just worry about EVERY match being competitive. Parity in real sports suck. When you can script it, you should try to avoid it. Simply making wins and losses matter is definitely an improvement over WWE booking. Hopefully they pay more attention to detail than just wins and losses though.

That's fair. You definitely don't want to get into a spot where people zone out for the first ten minutes because every match goes at least fifteen, for sure.

I do think it's probably wise to have a lot of even matches to start out with as you're trying to establish a lot of folks.

Droford 10-02-2019 09:27 PM

Jesus Christ at rihho on that leg drop

Heisenberg 10-02-2019 09:27 PM

Dark One, resident top fan of Dark Order, on TNT

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5289068)
Not putting Hikaru Shida--or a few others--was a mistake, I think. I get the dynamic they're going for, but these two strike me as pretty low on the crowd-investment scale.

At least with Shida, supposedly she's still busy with other commitments in Japan at least for the next few weeks.

Would have made the results of this match a lot more obvious and doubt AEW wants their first ever women's champ to pull a Lesnar.

slik 10-02-2019 09:27 PM

So far I like AEW

It's not perfect but it's easy to watch

Heisenberg 10-02-2019 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289100)
Jesus Christ at rihho on that leg drop


Damn straight, brother

rez 10-02-2019 09:27 PM

So glad to be watching wrestling and not have to witness the little lung in a big big world

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:28 PM

Damn, Nyla did her like one impressive move--the hanging knee drop--during a commercial.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-02-2019 09:28 PM

She has ZERO charisma. She should be cutting a mini promo every time she says something.

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 5289101)
Dark One, resident top fan of Dark Order, on TNT

I've loaned them my spooky perverts.

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:29 PM

Riho is lucky she didn't snap her leg or worse once her body buckled trying to flip over Nyla.

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:29 PM

Still a Moxley appearance and a 6-man tag. Hope they didn't fail to budget their time again. Unless TNT gave them an overrun.

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5289104)
So far I like AEW

It's not perfect but it's easy to watch

And it’s mainly been wrestling too. NOVEL CONCEPT.

Droford 10-02-2019 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289065)
Riho beat her earlo but I can't see her winning tonight

Droford jinx

Damian Rey 2.0 10-02-2019 09:31 PM

God damn this match is surprising me.

MY GAWD A SUPER PLEX FOR 2!

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:31 PM

Surprised Riho actually beat Nyla.

Match was very good overall.

Sepholio 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

Cuzziebro 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

Great finish

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

Wow, did NOT expect that result. Yay Riho!

Triple A 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

Feel like this match would be interesting to a non-wrestling-fan just flipping through channels and seeing a really big vs. really small person match

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

Hot crowd

rez 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5289113)
Still a Moxley appearance and a 6-man tag. Hope they didn't fail to budget their time again. Unless TNT gave them an overrun.

There's a replay of Dynamite on after according to my guide so I'd say they can probably run over.

rez 10-02-2019 09:32 PM

F yeahhh

Damian Rey 2.0 10-02-2019 09:33 PM

OMFG RIHO DID IT!!! HOLY SHIT THEY POPPED ME.

Fuck me I love this. What a match. No faith Riho was winning. Wow.

And Britt Baker can never talk again, thank you.

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:33 PM

YESSSSSSS!

Riho deserved that. Glad they didn’t go with the publicity stunt win for Nyla.

slik 10-02-2019 09:33 PM

nooo not michael nakazawa

Droford 10-02-2019 09:34 PM

Omega coming out was odd

ClockShot 10-02-2019 09:34 PM

Hey Kenny.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-02-2019 09:34 PM

Fuck yes Nyla snapping. Beautiful sit out powerbomb and excellent sell.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-02-2019 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5289131)
nooo not michael nakazawa

He sold that magnificently

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289133)
Omega coming out was odd

Riho's tag partner anytime she does a mixed tag in Japan

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:35 PM

They must have something really big planned if Moxley is closing out the show.

Triple A 10-02-2019 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289133)
Omega coming out was odd

They used to team together a lot in Japan

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:35 PM

That turned out to be a really good match. Great upset!

rez 10-02-2019 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289133)
Omega coming out was odd

They got history. They've tagged together and stuff

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:37 PM

Did I miss Moxley?

xrodmuc316 10-02-2019 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5289138)
They must have something really big planned if Moxley is closing out the show.

If he is getting vaccinations to close the show it would be the greatest fuck you Vince McMahon thing ever lol

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289133)
Omega coming out was odd

Besides being Riho's tag partner in Japan like Vito and AAA mentioned, he's also in charge of AEW's women's division so it was a nice little touch to that.

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:38 PM

I wonder if Kenny left Kota for Riho?

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5289142)
Did I miss Moxley?

Nope. Either he was scrapped due to health or he’s turning up at the end to brawl with Kenny

rez 10-02-2019 09:39 PM

Gametime a decent service?

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5289143)
If he is getting vaccinations to close the show it would be the greatest fuck you Vince McMahon thing ever lol

:lol:

GD 10-02-2019 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5289133)
Omega coming out was odd

He's been out for a while now /s

xrodmuc316 10-02-2019 09:42 PM

I mean clearly Bucks/Omega are losing tonight since they aren't cosplaying Street Fighter right?

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:43 PM

I do not think Jim Cornette is going to HATE this show. I dunno.

Evil Vito 10-02-2019 09:45 PM

On rare years the Mets were playing important games in September/October, when they'd be on the same time as the Giants my dad would set up a small TV next to the main one and we'd have both games on, muting one and turning up the volume on whichever one is more interesting or important at that moment.

I totally would do that on wrestling Wednesdays now if I could.

ClockShot 10-02-2019 09:46 PM

Mox out early.

Droford 10-02-2019 09:46 PM

Lol just ignore the interference

Cuzziebro 10-02-2019 09:47 PM

Swagger to replace Kenny?

GD 10-02-2019 09:47 PM

Jon Moxley, baby!

Emperor Smeat 10-02-2019 09:47 PM

:D Moxley.

Guess that's one way to save some time in the show. Also guess AEW refs got taught by NJPW's Red Shoes considering the leeway of the ref letting Moxley get rid of Omega from the match.

Droford 10-02-2019 09:48 PM

Cheap glass table

#1-norm-fan 10-02-2019 09:48 PM

... oh, it’s no DQ apparently...

ClockShot 10-02-2019 09:48 PM

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh shit.

Droford 10-02-2019 09:48 PM

Lol someone threw a hotdog in the ring and Jericho picked it up and got aic and asked who threw it

Dark One 10-02-2019 09:48 PM

That is a future KICKOUT AT TWO GIF for sure

Jesus

GD 10-02-2019 09:49 PM

lol @ Moxley driving himself through the glass

ClockShot 10-02-2019 09:49 PM

So, unless Omega recovers and finds his way back to the ring, who's gonna save The Bucks?

Jordan 10-02-2019 09:49 PM

Dammmmmn. That glass table spot was great. I like this!

rez 10-02-2019 09:50 PM

JR upset he wasn't aware of the VIP area lol

Droford 10-02-2019 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 5289180)
So, unless Omega recovers and finds his way back to the ring, who's gonna save The Bucks?

Cody makes most sense

Triple A 10-02-2019 09:50 PM

Nice @ table spot

KIRA 10-02-2019 09:50 PM

The Snacks!!!! Moxley is a disgusting heel


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