I'll be honest. This reporter was fucking stupid for going back to Saudi Arabia. I think his stupidness is being overlooked here.

IT happenned in Saud Arabian consulate in Turkey.

Even dumber. He should have stayed in America. Dude was dumb.

THey literally were baiting him to come back. And he knew he was being baited. AND HE STILL WENT BACK! WHAT THE FUCK!

It seriously feels like Trump gave him assurance that he was safe, knowing he wasnt, and then he went back and got saw'ed up.

THIS IS JACK BAUER 24 SHIT

Not really since he had a legal reason to go to the embassy in Turkey and the Saudis just used his previous marriage as the bait for their trap.

Since he was married in Saudi Arabia but got divorced due to being in exile, he didn't have the legal paperwork needed to officially annul it and legally marry someone else in Turkey. Since the Saudis knew everything about his predicament and exactly when he would be at the embassy, it made it easier for them to plan the trap and send the hit squad.

So which is it? Do the politically correct look only at criticizing the United States, or do they ignore the issues in the US to focus on international atrocities, like Simple Fan states?

You do realize that I have forever won all debates about our taste for content in the future, right? "No, Impact is really, really good!" You can't read, Simple Fan. "Eli Drake isn't awful!" Human rights bore you, Simple Fan.

You have lost forever.

:y:

I don't get how some people can be arbitrarily born in a place -- no choice of their own -- and be so proud and concerned with it like it wasn't a matter of being the lucky product of their parents fucking. All the people killed by this regime are exactly the same products, they're just not lucky enough to be born in the United States where they can get bored by world events instead of bulldozed by them.

Right on. Dude watches WWE video and actually thinks they are bringing about change. He argues what a big deal it is, proving exactly why this is so disgusting and why so many are pissed off.

You watched the WWE video. You reject the fact that the prince did this. "Oh, I don't know who he ran into." The prince's men. "Oh, he must have known something." He was a critic of the prince. "I think they're a more progressive country when WWE is in town." No, they're not. What do you call that if not rejecting facts? And you actively reject them on their own. "I'm ignorant to the issue." You are rejecting the facts.

And you do have a hard opinion about Saudi Arabia: you don't give a shit. Also, it happened in Turkey. And Turkey is pissed. You fucking idiot.

Okay, well, we won't care if someone decides to beat the shit out of you and cut you up with a bonesaw. Just for speaking your mind as an American. Got it.


He went to the embassy in Turkey because he was told he needed to get some marriage papers. Suspicious or not, the guy was doing it because he loved his wife. The audio Turkish authorities and the CIA have is apparently because he was suspicious of the arrangement and set his Apple Watch or something to send out the recording of his own death so they could get something on this fucker, just so you can say "Well, I don't really care." Dude may have actually sacrificed himself so you can be a comfy fucker and say "Well, I don't get what is really so bad about the prince. Some people just don't get rights" and he can continue to operate in the United States (they have embassies there too and could still kill him), and do business with absolute cunts like WWE who spread the message that he is actually good.

His mistake wasn't because he was stupid, his mistake was thinking that you weren't.

:y:

This dude loved and embraced the United States. Oh well, wasn't born here, not good enough for Simple Fan.

Thank fuck, but the word "frantically" really irks me here. This isn't a new story, guys. You're getting frantic now?

Shawn Michaels will be getting paid for his appearance. Why do people honestly think the dude is hurting for money and wouldn't get paid 7 figures for a WWE return? It's crazy to me.

Do you even know why he went to the consulate in Turkey?

How is going to the embassy/consulate even dumber than going to Saudi Arabia?

You need some friends you can drink with. Away from the computer.

Yeah, I don't know how on earth this could possibly be seen as stupider.

lol Hate to pile on here, Fan. You know that didn't answer my question though.

The country is the point where you narrow it down to what you care about. You say only murders in America matter to you because they're more likely to effect you (Which isn't true. But that's a different subject.)

My question is, if that's the case, why stop narrowing it down? If someone was like "I don't care about murders outside of my street?" would you find that silly? If you would, why? They live on that street and that's more likely to impact them than some guy getting murdered on the next street over. It you wouldn't find that silly, then why don't you agree with that guy and only care about murders on your street?

I'm gonna suggest maybe Simple Fan shouldn't go to his local TPWW embassy.

He's just a Simple Fan, from a Simple family.

Not saying he is hurting for money, but he got offered so much he couldn't turn it down.

Now that it has been set up and announced, he is gonna wrestle. If WWE isn't getting $45 million for a house show and are instead getting a standard house show gate, then nobody is getting the pay they would have in Saudi Arabia.

Further proof that marriage is a scam.

His original username was "im just a fan"

Marriage is just a scam by women to get men assassinated by the Saudi crown prince.

It's nice of him to change the name so we know what we're dealing with.

I think we've discussed this before, but while you're reasoning there is perfectly logical, I'll just throw out this:

Shawn Michaels could have made a shit-ton of money to come back at any time. He's perceived by many to be the GOAT, legit. Is the rumored sum $5 million? He could very easily have worked out a contract with Vince for that much previously. Plus merchandise, specials and all that. I don't buy money as being the reason. I really don't.

There are plenty of reasons HBK might want to come out of retirement. His children are older now. Maybe they want to see him work a match? He's been working with the young kids and might think he can teach them better by showing them what he can do. He might just have the itch. I'm sure he's not doing it for free, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's a case of the prince throwing a whole bunch of money at him and Michaels thinking "Well, in that case..."

I predicted Michaels would be coming back the moment I saw The Rock rumors. I think backstage politics and Triple H's insecurities to function as a top level draw are as likely to be involved as the money. But all these issues compound into a plethora of reasons that Shawn Michaels might want to come back. But he can't really come back and not work the Saudi show. What if the Saudis asked for him and they said "No, he's retired," and then he popped up for WrestleMania?

If this show doesn't happen, Shawn will still get paid a shit-ton -- regardless if it is as much or not. WWE has $5 million lying around. But they may not give him that much. He may not want that much. But I'm sure the plan has been for him to come out of retirement for quite a while, and I'm sure it's not just isolated to one match.

Reminds me a little of an ex.

With all the twists and turns from this story, wouldn't be surprised at all if the higher power in charge turned out to be the ex-wife this whole time.

Might as well go all out and pull a Vince with a live feed of the hooded person reveal.

"Babe, can we not get married? I think the Saudis might try to kill me"

"I guess you didn't mean it when you said you loved me more than life it self :("

Simple Fan has a history of being conservative talking points guy who takes no responsibility for anything

I like how he called his shirt "shit" twice.

Could Shawn just keep doing his Ted Nugent impression and NOT come back?

Between the confederate flag and TNA, Simple Fan really does like backing losers.

He was also a Muslim Brotherhood member

I hope the World Court goes after his ex-wife for this too.

he is a dummy, yeah?

And the Saudi's actually set up and bankrolled 9/11. What's your point?

Droford and Simple Fan should be a tag team.

Rumored that Crown Jewel is being moved to Albany, NY at the Times Union Center arena.

It's proven I'm a red neck that shares different views than most of you. I don't hide that or deny it. I respect other people's views though and don't hate on any of you. My whole point though is people are quick to judge on everything these days and I'm not one of them.

Big props to Ossman for keeping up with the history of im just a fan/Simple Fan.

Except you didn’t say you’re reserving judgment. You said




Your mind was already made up before you knew anything about anything. So let’s drop the aw shucks can’t we all just get along nonsense, please.

For those who don't keep up with certain naming conventions for public venues, the Times Union Center Arena is the former Knickerbocker Arena, where the 1992 Royal Rumble happened...the night that Ric Flair became the WWF Champion upon winning the Rumble Match from Slot No. 3.

Just giving some help there.

=P

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I believe it’s in the country of Parts Unknown.

Vacant hails from there

So he will have home field advantage for the Universal Title match :eek:

Is that anywhere near the middle of nowhere? Might have to attend if so.

Via Meltzer on Observer forums:

The American Left only cares about Saudi Arabia now because Trump is in power, period. They ignore atrocities all over the world to push their agenda. If Trump came out strong against Saudi Arabia they'd call him an Islamaphobe.

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:lol:

Well at first I was blindly excited to see the return of the GOAT, my FOAT, HBK. But I can't think of a worse way to do it now upon the drama of this Crown Jewel show. Especially if they end up moving the show to ALBANY. What a dumb ass move this is. At first I didn't care that nobody in the arena would be FREAKING out the way that I will when HBK starts running the ropes and taking bumps, but now with all the drama, I realize what a waste this is of a moment of a lifetime.

Very surprised MAYOR KANE hasn't John Cena'ed himself out of this show.

For real. That's crazy to me.

Yeah I just don't give a shit about it and I don't judge people. I don't see how me making my mind up stops me from getting along with any of you.

The ones their king/dictator says they don't have.

No

I was kind of surprised that he didn't too. The guy wants a future in politics and stayed loyal to WWE. He's got to be one of Vince's favorites.

Because it's willfully ignorant and many people don't like associating with people who support murderous dictators.

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Okay I thought you were talking about the journalist with the video part. As far as the WWE show goes they did show stuff that showed they are giving women more rights. Yes I don't believe that Saudi Arabia is that bad off, their women don't have as many rights but that's changing. You can choose to believe the bad stuff I'll focus on the positive.

Never said I support him, I'm just not going to call him a murderer.

Kane knows not going does nothing to help that country.

They locked up one of the women who appeared in their videos since they made it. They also locked up more women who dared to drive, and I think they sentenced another one to death. How do you not get that the WWE are doing propaganda for this regime. When they say "It's getting better," it is a fiction designed to make people like you sit back and let them get away with doing the awful shit they are doing.

That's right, you just don't care if he cuts women's heads off or gets his men to hack up a journalist for daring to tell the truth about his country, and won't have the intellectual honesty to admit that a murderer is a murderer. How can you not get how that would make people uncomfortable?

I don't care what John Wayne Gacy did in his free time, I'm not gonna judge h...

Wait, that was in America! Fucking murdering pedo psychopath!

Nah he wouldn't react like that. Wasn't in his state.

More like.

"If it didn't happen within the confines of my underpants, it's not a crime!" - Simple Fan

I dont know where you guys are coming from with all that. I'm American and care about America. Saudi Arabia can do what ever the hell they please. Do you guys honestly care about what goes on over there, if so why?

The same reason you care about what happens in America and not JUST what happens in your state. You just stop at America for some reason. Others don’t because that’s an arbitrary place to stop. It doesn’t make sense.

They are giving them those rights though. You say he's cutting women's heads off, that's a new one to me. Do you know this for fact or just another news story you chose to believe? That's all I'm saying is I don't know what goes down over there and today's media is not trustworthy enough to take their word. So just because someone believes something different than you it make you uncomfortable, you must be uncomfortable alot.

Why doesn't it? I'm American, I care about America. Makes plenty of sense.

You’re not getting it.

Others are earthlings. They care about earth.

Why do you drop down to America and then stop? If you’re going to narrow it down in the first place, why not go down to your region? Or your state? Or your city?

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Pretend you are talking to someone who only cares what happens in their state and fuck the rest of the country. They don’t get why you care what’s going on elsewhere in America. “ I’m an Ohioan. I care about Ohio. Makes perfect sense.”

My region, my state, and my city are all in the USA man. They're America. Earthlings is a funny word.

They can care about Ohio, that's fine with me.

What makes you say this, just curious!

And America is on Earth.

Do you still not follow?

So just to be clear, if your mother’s house was broken into in America and she was brutally raped for hours, that’d be bad. If someone else’s mother’s house was broken into in Mexico and she was brutally raped for hours, you don’t care because it’s not in America.

Is that correct?

Duh but its too big to care about every damn thing that goes on around it. Is that what you guys are hung up on?

Follow up question: if your mother was on vacation in Mexico and her hotel room was broken into and she was brutally raped for hours, is that bad or would you not care?

REALLY trying to help you understand this. I know they’re all part of America. Just like all other countries are part of earth for us. It doesn’t make sense to you to narrow it down to your state, city, etc. because it’s all part of America. It doesn’t make sense to us to narrow it down to those things either... OR to our country. Because those are all part of our planet.

Fake news is everywhere.

Yeah that's bad and I'd tell my Mom not to go to Mexico. She'd never want to go to Mexico though. That's a complete different scenario though, had this journalist been of any relation to me I'd care about it yeah but that's not the case.

It’s too big? So you made the decision that your country is just the right size to be able to care about? If someone came to you and said “I only care about the northwest United States.” Would you be like “That’s silly. You can care about more.” Then when they’re like “Yeah. Maybe I’ll care about all of North America” would you be like “Nah. Too much to be able to care about. Just this one country is the sweet spot.”?

So when Natalee Holloway, an innocent American citizen who you don’t know, went to Aruba and was abducted and either sold into sex slavery or murdered back in 2005, was that bad or did you not care?

I understand what you are saying, we're all on earth yeah. Thats common sense. I don't have to care or pay attention to everything that goes wrong around the world when they're injustices like this one that happen over here all the time.

No I'd say that's cool, care about what you want. There is no sweet spot or anything like that.

Okay. But why do you stop narrowing it down when you reach America? Why not narrow it down further? You have to understand by now that “My city, state, region, etc. are all part of America.” doesn’t answer that question.

Never heard about it, was it bad yeah. She should have stayed in America it sounds like. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia is good but its not of my concern nor my position to judge their rulers.

Why doesn't it? I care about my city, state, region same as I do my country. I'm not narrowing anything down, I think that's you doing that. I just choose not to concern myself with stuff half way around the world.

You choose to only care about stuff in your country. You're literally narrowing down what you care about to things happening in your country. You can't be serious when you say "I'm not narrowing anything down". That's the entire discussion.

And the reason "They're all part of America" doesn't answer the question is the same reason the following conversation doesn't make sense:

"I'll only date women who own 17 or fewer pairs of shoes."

"That seems like and oddly arbitrary number. Why 17 specifically? Why not 13 pairs of shoes? Or 9? Or 4?"

"Well 13, 9 and 4 are all fewer 17."

"I know but I'm saying 17 pairs of shoes seems like an arbitrary number of shoes to care about a woman having. Why 17 and why not narrow it down to, say 12? Or 6?"

"12 and 6 are fewer than 17."

"... I know that. That doesn't answer my question."

"Why doesn't it?"

Do you honestly follow everything that goes on in the world? Hell I don't even follow everything that goes on in America but those things are closer to home. I just don't see any reason to concern myself with foreign affairs. You're the one that started with the narrowing down of stuff down to states and regions and such not me, I'm just a normal American that cares about America like most others.

Let’s just take this to it’s logical extreme. Simple Fan, was the Holocaust bad or is that something you don’t care about it because it happened halfway around the world to non-Americans?

Once you go on vacation abroad - you're off Fan's care list.

As I said. The whole world is pretty terrible on human rights, but people like Noid only care about wrasslin' and their shitty domestic politics.

The only reason they're pretending to care about Saudi Arabia now and not from 2009-2016 is because of who is in power.

You've lost me with this one but what if you ask this guy about a woman with 18 pairs of shoes? Will he say 18 is higher than 17? Maybe the guy just likes women with 17 pairs of shoes.

Firstly, I don't follow everything that goes on anywhere. When something does come to my attention though, I don't base my thoughts and feelings on whether it was in my country or not.

Secondly, yes. I brought up the phrasing of "narrowing down" things. I don't know why that's so relevant. You are narrowing down what you care about to your country. You've admitted that. You can't possibly say you aren't at this point. Seriously. There's no level of misunderstanding that I can possibly imagine where you can say you only care about stuff that happens in your country but you're not narrowing down what you care about to a specific part of the world. Can we at least get past this roadblock? I'm trying to have a nice conversation here but if you can't agree that you're narrowing down what you care about from the world to your own country then... My God... I don't even know where to go from here.

The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.

Droford's pro-Joe Flacco arguments make him look like a Mensa member compared to Simple Fan rn

I'm personally much more offended that you gave Supreme such clear, cut-and-dry response while I'm having to pull teeth than I am about you not caring about millions of innocent Jews being murdered.

You know what? Props to you for being consistent.