Them not making their mind about NXT counting or not as canon for the main brands is also another big problem.

That's how you end up with situations like Emma who debuts looking like a goof since none of her NXT stuff counted but WWE still wanted her to act the same way. Or stuff like with Finn where his demon stuff gets treated as canon from the start even if everything that lead up to it was ignored.

New WWE comic book series sounds like it could maybe actually be "good"..... Not like some sort of weird "fantasy" thing, but supposedly grounded in the real storylines/characters.....

First story arc supposed to be a deep look at Seth Rollins, and his mind when he decided to turn on The Shield.

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Eat it innnnn...mannnn

Ugh

Can't believe Ken Doane was in the same building as John Cena at Smackdown Live. Talk about combustible elements.

Completely disagree on Lynch being the weakest of the four. It's definitely Bayley. Although Becky's midriff is amazing. They make her cover it up though, so she can't even use it to get over.

I agree that she might just have the best crowd connection -- but you do have to consider that she got over in NXT. That is a completely misleading audience. They also got to go along with her on a grand story. It seems like she's not going to get that on RAW.

Yeah, can we talk a bit about this please. That was surreal.

This might be your opinion, but evidence dictates that Bryan is 1,000,000x more charismatic than Eli Drake. His connection with audiences and success in the business state that. Charisma is not being loud and confident on the mic -- charisma is a leadership quality that makes people latch onto you.

I'm sure you can find plenty of people that find Bryan's nice guy act a bit boring and bland -- but it's not the dominant view. Eli Drake's career is not done yet, but if he is remembered for having better charisma than Daniel Bryan, I will be extremely surprised.

This. They also think that these characters get over by losing. I still cannot work out why they did that Triple Threat Match at Clash of Champions. Why not just Charlotte vs. Sasha? It seems they wanted Charlotte to keep her winning streak in tact but didn't want Sasha to get pinned. That shows where Bayley fits in the scheme of things.

Bayley had to come up after Brooklyn II. She just had to. She was running thin down there, but they didn't need to jam her into the title picture right away. Maybe an angle with Dana first? They could have put her on SmackDown and advertised her on RAW, so that people wouldn't get upset if they saw Nia Jax, for example, confront Charlotte, while they only expected Bayley.

It's all been handled with complete disregard for Bayley, to be honest.

Becky's wardrobe designer is the biggest heel in the business

I don't know I just never found Bryan entertaining. Not even when he was with Kane. The fact that I didn't like him and they gave him a mega push just made me dislike the guy even more. Sucks as a GM in my opinion as well. People love him because they get to throw their hands up and scream yes. Nothing drew me to him to him so to me the guy has no charisma. I don't know where the Eli Drake comparison even came from, I guess just because I'm a fan of the guy.

THey didn't just say yes without being directed to. He had massive charisma to scream out Yes! Yes! Yes! I'm the World Heavyweight Champion! when he was a heel and it caught on.

Didn't it start with No chants though. Or did he go from Yes to No back to Yes.

Yeah mate. I remember the hype surrounding him with respect to his success in OVW. I am unsure about the backstage politics that led to his "downfall" and eventual release from the company.

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Cena ruined Ken's life and career. Fucked his girl and got him fired. Where's the love for the fellow Massachusetts wrestler John? Booo this man.

Started with YES chants, but he was still a heel so he didn't like the fans chanting YES, so he started chanting NO at them, which made the fans chant YES even more. When he turned face, he embraced the YES.

That's a little harsh, Slicky. I don't think John Cena is a bad person.

What are these posts? How can you say it's harsh when you don't even know what happened.

Speaking of guys who were hot in OVW and never transferred that success, Johnny Jeter. I still can't work out of he was that damn good, or if it was Heymans touch once again. This was disappointing to hear:

Who is this Eli Drake guy being talked about?

He wants a three way with them

So "reports" claim that Brock Lesnar vs. Shane McMahon is supposedly a lock for Wrestlemania 33.

Yay.

I know everything that has ever happened. And if you were to pay more attention to the product, you'd know that Cena is all about Hustle, Loyality, and Respect.

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My girl's are gonna want these but better not be ridiculously priced.

Macho Michaelangelo, Ooooooh Yeah!

this pic isn't small enough. I'm predicting this guy lands in jail during or shortly after his iMPaCT run.

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Crazy to think it's been three years since all of this went down! Also crazy to think that Goldust is still under contract with WWE!

And also, after all that fighting Goldust did for Cody, just for Cody to leave the company. What a douche! [/kayfabe]

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Just found out I'm gonna be a dad. Convinced my wife if it's a boy his name is going to be Owen. She isn't a wrestling fan so I pulled a fast one .....

Should name him Kane

In the delivery room:

"That's gotta be!...that's gotta be Kane!"

That's literally hilarious to me......thank you.

WWE has sent out 'package deal' emails for The Royal Rumble...and confirmed a NXT Takeover event at the Freeman Coliseum the night before, Saturday Jan 28th

Congradulations but my first thought was that you were naming him after owenbrown not Kevin Owens.

Sucks that the big debate and big G-Men game will be on during WWE No Mercy PPV...

You're allowed to find him entertaining. As a kid, I always found The Rock obnoxious and hoped that anyone he was in the ring with would kick his ass. That doesn't make my opinion on the matter objectively correct. I would never try to make the argument that The Rock isn't charismatic because nothing drew me to him.

I think you're assessment on the "YES!" chants are a little off. Bryan started the gimmick on SmackDown, as an over the top heel, chanting "YES!" to celebrated being the World Heavyweight Champion. If you haven't seen that run, I strongly recommend it. I never thought I would buy Bryan as a heel, but he was absolutely brilliant.

The loss to Sheamus at WrestleMania 28 did it. Fans felt robbed because they knew what a great wrestler he was, and when they got screwed out of Sheamus vs. Bryan AGAIN, they thought that was enough. It was based on the odyssey Bryan had taken to get to that spot, the skills he had acquired over years and years of training, and how the company handles talent like that. And that was the story they told too. Maybe some kids who didn't really get anything about Bryan didn't get the story at first, because they believe the WWE's story that there's only WWE, but even WWE was saying "No, this guy's career goes beyond us."

Pavlovian chanting is when you hear people saying "Yeah!" after Eli Drake yells "Dummy!". There's no magic to that whatsoever. "When I say dummy, you say yeah...dummy...I wasn't talking to you" is probably the...fuck, I can't even describe how stupid it is. It's like he's seen The Rock call out the fans for singing along, but he hasn't grasped the context, that The Rock was over, and that Rock didn't say "sing along" before telling them not to sing along.

Johnny Jeter was absolutely tremendous in OVW. :love:

He was soooo young at the time too, but acting like an actual old-school heel. There was a lot of 2002/2003 Chris Jericho in what he did.

Cody Rhodes & Goldust were such a wonderful team. Goldust coming back for that one spot was a great way to use veteran talent, and he kicked the door down and became one of the best babyfaces-in-perils in the business. Cody fucking flew off those hot tags too. They were the right choice to take the belts from The Shield.

They should have beaten The Outlaws and then gotten a straight tag match with The Usos at WrestleMania XXX. The Usos could have won, then Cody & Goldust could have turned heel in the wake, playing a veteran villain team (even though Cody was like 28) and been their first hurdles. They really fumbled with them post-Rumble.

Stop trying to get your job back, Kenpachi Ramasama. Or should I say..."Mickpachie Jamesama"?

Yeah I'm not going back and watching Bryan on Smackdown. I'm pretty sure that was about the same time as Punks long WWE title reign that I checked out on and quit watching for a while. I don't hate the guy I just feel he didn't have any business near the main event. Also any time he talks it feels like he's trying to remember lines but that's more of a WWE problem than a Bryan problem.

As for Drake I just find the guy entertaining and I dont remember him ever telling the fans to say yeah either. Started with his Dummy Yeah button. I dont see the Rock stuff like you do though, maybe in his tone a bit but I'm not going to fault a guy for learning something from one the greatest to ever step in the ring.

Personally I think its silly to compare WWE and TNA active talent. Its 2 totally different promotion on different levels. and that's also how I view them. I don't watch TNA expecting it to be the greatest wrestling show possible like I do with WWE. Same with ROH I don't hold them the same standards that I hold WWE to.

If you do anything a lot people will catch on. It's just weird that you apply that logic to the YES chants, which were actually over, but don't to the shit that is actually repeated because people know the lines. Like The Miz's "awesome" shtick.

The promotions are on two very different levels, you are correct. The gap has also widened because TNA has mismanaged itself and the talent there that was on a world class level. Now they are left with the dregs WWE doesn't want, because they either cut them from developmental because they saw nothing or they have histories of drug abuse and/or domestic violence.

AJ Styles was TNA. Samoa Joe was TNA. How do they compare? I'd probably say that AJ Styles is the best thing in WWE, and Joe could be right up there. It's TNA's fault they don't have them anymore, and have to rely on these guys that just aren't good enough to make developmental. There is plenty of talent that is not in WWE that is on that level, so I think that is a cop-out when it comes to Drake anyway.

As for him copying Rock? I get the theory, but it plays way too obviously. You also set expectations high and when you miss, you miss bad. You can take things that worked and filter them through your voice, but the guy just wants to be Rocky so bad, and it's so obvious.

You are right on TNA mismanaging talent. I've said it before it one of TNAs biggest problems. But they have gotten everything right with EC3 and Eli Drake has been booked to be in that position as TNAs next up and coming name. Do I think he will be as successful as EC3 no but he's still a solid enough talent for TNA.

As for Bryan, I remember watching him when the NXT stuff was like Tough Enough on Raw. Stopped watching for a while and when I started back Bryan as in the main event and I just thought it was dumb. I'd seen him in ROH before but wasn't really impressed with him. Also know he has a bunch of fans and some are easy to troll by bashing him.

Dude, not to be a dick or anything, but you flat out admit that you missed out on the entire build that Bryan had before becoming a main event superstar. If you didn't see that build you will never understand why people like him, and since you refuse to even give that buildup a look you basically forfeit your ability to give a worthwhile opinion on him. What you're doing is the equivalent to watching the first 10 minutes of Star Wars and then skipping to the very end. Of course you're not gonna understand why something is considered great when you miss out on the entire story.

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Should replace Cranston as Zordon.

I agree with you some what but its not like I haven't ever seen him. Of what I've seen I haven't liked. I doubt if I went back and watched that it would change my opinion of the guy. Its more than just his yes chants that I find annoying. I hated his finisher and he was boring in the ring but that's just me. There are some talent you just don't like and Daniel Bryan is one of mine. You guys can like him all you want, he just does nothing for me. I'd never skip through Star Wars by the way.

I get what you're saying, I'm just saying that if you aren't going to check out what made people like him you'll never really "get it" is all. I think if you had seen his rise you'd at least have an understanding of what Noid is saying when he says that Bryan has charisma. I mean the fact that you didn't know how the YES! chants started is part of what I mean. Looking at something like those chants in the context you saw them in it's easy to just think "it's people just following along," but if you'd seen how they started and evolved you'd realize that it took a lot of charisma and talent to get people to chant YES! so passionately.

Another thing is Bryan's fans. They are a bunch of babies. Hated WM 30 as the fans cried because Bryan was eliminated from the Rumble. Was way more interested in seeing Orton vs Batista than the shit they put on. Bryan going over all of Evolution in one night just wasn't believable to me. I'd say his fans are one of the main reason I dislike the guy.

DJ at the club I'm at has a Booty O'S shirt and I've got my New Day Rocks vintage shirt on... Plus it's officially my birthday, so I've had anything I like on. Good times.

I think wrestling fans are one of the biggest problems with wrestling today. Because it's been reduced to hardcore fans who are going to watch no matter what, shit like Broken Matt and Kevin Owens gets through. We don't have the right set of eyes to gauge what casual fans are into, and ultimately we end up pushing guys that work within our ironic taste of wrestling.

Orton vs. Batista was a horrible idea though, and you just are plain wrong about that. Sorry.

Counterpoint:

Kevin Owens is the spiritual successor to Steve Austin, and will be over as fuck if he eventually turns face.

He is the real "every man." He doesn't look like an athlete, he's not "larger than life," but he has a smart ass, sarcastic attitude. And it's the type of attitude that isn't typical for a bully, but the type of attitude that the smart ass who is used to being picked on has, so he says sarcastic shit dryly.

Plus he has a goofy best friend who he fights with, and another best friend who really isn't his friend.

People want Rollins vs HHH, but Owens vs HHH is so much more compelling.

There are just very few people on the roster who can connect to the people at a base level like KO can.

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I talked to an old friend here recently, and we laughed at Seth's Snoopy Dance.

No Tipsters ?

Found out I have axs tv channel. Set up series recording for New Japan pro. Watched a show last night that featured Anderson and Gallows in the main event dropping the tag belts.

Enjoyed what I saw. Enjoyed the press conference post match promo style as well. Jim Ross was meh on commentary. Sounded like he was phoning it in. But the product itself was fun.

Hoping I'll catch on to it.

If you would have found it a week earlier you could have seen AJ Styles vs Nakamura at WrestleKingdom for the IC title. I think they will be doing 2 more shows of Wrestle Kingdom in the following weeks. Ross is literally phoning it in though as the shows are about 10 months behind and they just record commentary for axs TV.

Happy weekend yall. Blast from the past.

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Drat. Hopefully I'll run into it since I have it set to record the series. Yeah. I was sure he was calling matches that happened months ago. But fuck, where's the old JR?

Gallows and Anderson's opponents were being put over as a journeyman team with one of the guys being 39, and being a career loveable loser. JR was flat as fuck when they pulled off a seeming upset.

But I don't wanna focus on the meh commentary. The matches, the set up, and the storylines mentioned going into the matches were fun and fresh. Really strong first impression.

I can see that. If they were going to put the Uni Title on him, I'd rather they had done it cleanly and moved into Owens vs. Company Golden Boy Reigns. I do think that as a face he'll have a lot more "oomph" behind him.

It'll be interesting to see if he does connect. I think he connects with the geeks that eat this shit up -- perhaps too much of it without asking questions. They did that market research on the appeal certain talent had, and Owens tested really low. I don't know how much stock you want to put into shit like that, but I sometimes do wonder if there's really that mainstream appeal in him that we project.

I once heard someone (I guess you could call them a "casual fan," if you want to go that far with it) respond to Owens as a "like a joke wrestler" because he's the opposite of what you think of when you think of a wrestler. I'd never thought of it exactly like that, but it is somewhat true to an almost exact degree:

* He's not loud and bombastic; he's calculated and articulate.

* He's not tall and ripped; he's short and fat.

* He doesn't get oiled up and wear tights; he covers himself up in baggy clothes.

* He doesn't look like he's getting into a real fight; he does this outrageous stunt display.

In a weird sort of way, I can kind of see how a casual fan might interpret Owens to be a parody of wrestling. We obviously don't think like that, because we're in the thick of things. I do think that I'd rather see him as a face than a heel though. Roman Reigns needs that heel turn, and if he robbed Owens of the Uni Title and Owens had to fight against the system that chewed him up and spat him out, we might be onto something.

I've always been of the opinion that it doesn't matter what a character looks like, it's how you use them that counts. IMHO Owens has plenty of potential to be a star. The issue is with the storytelling and context in which he is portrayed.

WWE has guys who look and "feel" like megastars, but they never reached it (see Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, etc.) The reason for this has nothing to do with the guys themselves and everything to do with the way WWE presented them. Bray isn't a mega-heel right now because WWE had him lose pretty much every feud he's been in and in general made him look like a joke. And in the case of both Reigns and Wyatt they screwed up by giving neither compelling stories to help fans get behind what was going on. If Undertaker had lost 90% of his matches and was made to look like I liar every time he said something scary would he have succeeded? No. If Austin hadn't had the attitude and aggression he did and instead just made childish jokes and smiled, and if he hadn't had the McMahon stuff and all the other rivalries we remember would he have gotten over like he did? I don't think so personally.

You look at TV today and you see a lot of top shows involving characters that aren't what you'd typically think would appeal to the mass market. Nerdy, quirky, geeky, these are things that have become extremely appealing in mass media over the last few years, and I think WWE needs to evolve and embrace these things if they want to survive. Comics have begun to embrace this with more and more characters becoming more lighthearted and "geeky" and less being badasses who are "dark and brooding" like they were in the 80s and 90s, and the result of this shift has been increased sales in comic books to a point they haven't been in ages. TV has also begun to see a shift toward this with fewer super serious characters and more lighthearted and relateable ones.

Anyway that's just my two cents. Personally I think if WWE just got their shit together and created stories people actually cared about it wouldn't matter what their wrestlers looked like (within reason of course.) I'm not saying Kevin shouldn't get a slight makeover as his current ring gear looks a little cheap, but he doesn't need to completely change himself in my opinion.

I think look does matter. It's not the be-all, end-all, but it's not irrelevant. How you use it is definitely important.

I agree with Noid. Owens doesn't have to get shredded but the least he could do is trim up so his belly doesn't stick out further than his chest.

I guess I'd want him to look like he actually works out.

Ziggles/Miz news

If only Punk had stuck around... he could have *finally* been Casey Jones.

Really digging that DonnieTaker.

Weird, though. Shouldn't Leo be Hulk Hogan, brother? I mean, they're all dressed like fans that the WWE fun police move off camera, so it fits.

Just glad they didn't pick Floman Drains for one of them.

Creatively, I think leaving would be the best thing for Ziggler. There's just nothing fresh for him to do. If he's a free talent, I'd like to see him ROH/New Japan. I think he'd be a good choice to dethrone Adam Cole for when Cole gets signed to the WWE.

But I have a feeling the WWE will either turn this into an angle or sign Ziggler to some sort of no-compete deal where he still works for the company and gets to do his comedy and approved independent dates.

Ravishing Rusev

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Somebody has had some surgery, barely recognised her.

Rusev is going to be a huge star. I'm calling it.

Talk about lowering people's standards WoW!

Nobody is going to be a huge star

Hillbilly Jim was a huge star!

I'm thinking Rusev bucks that trend. In a relative sense. He'd probably get punished for it if he did though.

Finished Pat Patterson's book. It's really good.

did you catch the gay from reading it?

Pretty alright NY Times profile about Dave MELTZER I stumbled upon while looking for pics of him

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lol he's a horder.

Meltzer sheep.

Reigns is so much like Cena to me. I don't understand why anyone dislikes him.

I can think of plenty of reasons and 95% of them are stupid.

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Because he does heelish things while booked as a face