Indians send Brandon Moss to the Cardinals for Rob Kaminsky.

Latos trade not done. He's warming up in Miami right now.

Come on Cubbies. Do a deal!

Dan Haren is pitching for the Marlins today.

<font color=goldenrod>Sounds like Price might be heading to Toronto.</font>

I'm reading Norris and Alford (not confirmed)

I'm... okay with this

Per SI: Norris, Matt Boyd, and Jairo Labourt

Man, Jays and Royals are all in on 2015. Seems crazy for the Jays to do that since they have such a big gap to makeup to win the division. Going all in, just to get to a one-game playoff is risky (see: 2014 A's). If they win that game though (obvs especially if Price starts it), this move is worth alot more.

Norris is the only one worth having. Boyd and Labourt are fringe prospects.


WOOOOOO FUCKING HOOOOOOOO!

They're doing what they should be doing. Theo and Jed are all about timing the market to get best value. They're under no obligation to make a trade, so they're waiting while everyone else makes deals and will probably try to get the best value from whichever pitcher is left over from a team who wants to unload a guy for something. I'd take Mike Leake for a similar package that brought Miguel Montero to Wrigley.

<font color=goldenrod>lol the umps called a rain delay with 2 outs in the 9th inning. what a joke.</font>

Lol Mets

<font color=goldenrod>Game resumes, Familia comes back in and blows it again. 3 straight blown saves since the break. 7-1 lead blown. and then they call for another rain delay.

lol @ me for dreaming up playoff possibilities with this team. Nats will probably sweep them this weekend.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>I hope the crew chief in this game gets a sudden visit from the Angel of Death.</font>

I still want AA to pick up another established reliever.....

I'd like a dependable lefty out of the pen. Loup and Cecil have been horrible.

Baring a Yankees collapse, the division crown is likely out of the question but they probably care more about snapping their 20+ year post season drought. Would be like the Pirates a few years ago where the streak getting snapped was a bigger deal than winning a division title or having home field for the one-game playoff.

And the Yankees for reasons unknown went and got Dustin Ackley.

<font color=goldenrod>Tigers keep on dealing. Joakim Soria to the Pirates.</font>

What is with this doubling up on closers bullshit.

Dammit the Cubs have fucking Hector Rondon

Dammit I almost posted this calling the Cubs the Cums.

<font color=goldenrod>Carlos Gomez and Mike Fiers to the Astros. No problem with his hip in Houston.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>Also the Dodgers immediately designated Michael Morse for assignment. wtf.</font>

Hahaha the Dodgers eating his entire year's salary for next season.

Not well versed on the pieces going back to Milwaukee, but Gomez definitely helps the 'Stros.

My condolences, Vito.

I still can't believe in a span of 3 days the Jays got David Price and Troy Tulowitzki. I'm just in shock.

:-\ Daniel Nava got designated for assignment by the Red Sox and getting released if he clears waivers.

Even though he's struggled this year, really liked him due to the "feel good" story surrounding his Red Sox career.

Team wants as many arms as possible for the main roster because of how horrible the starters have been so he became expendable.

Playoff Baseball is different from the regular season. Playoff baseball is all about frontline starters and a couple of lockdown closers. Watch the Jays get smoked by KC in the divisional round.

You think one bullpen guy makes the Cubs that much better? If they got someone in a package thats one thing, but you're going to trade a top 10 prospect for one who might be a rental? The pen hasn't been great, but it was only last year they were the NL version of KC. Grimm, Ramirez, Strop, Rondon is pretty respectable if not sexy.

<font color=goldenrod>It's been widely speculated that the Mets tried to get the Brewers to throw in cash for a portion of Gomez' 2016 salary. And, when they didn't, the Mets backed away citing concerns over his supposed hip condition. Seems entirely feasible that this has, once again, come down to the fact that the Wilpons are cheap.

I mean, the Astros refused to sign the #1 overall pick in the draft last year because of a concern of his medical history. But hey, Gomez passed their test with flying colors.</font>

Response from the Mets fans:

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Totally feel your pain.

Supposedly Joe Girardi went all Martin Luther King Jr. and has a dream. A dream, that he'll have his own super utility player the likes of Ben Zobrist and BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROCK Holt.

And that player, is one Dustin Ackley.

I don't get it. :?:

There's always tomorrow. Now that most of the main players are off the board, my request of a solid pitcher seems to be gone.

The Cubs got Miguel Montero for a bag of baseballs, a couple Malnati's pies and a slice of chocolate cake from Portillo's.

Tigers trying to blow a 7 run lead on the Orioles

Apparently the Padres and Cubs are still working on something big. I don't think Starlin Castro will be a Cub tomorrow night.

I sure hope he is. As a Padres fan, I want zero to do with him. Can't field, no power, doesn't get on base. No thanks. Especially considering his contract is only going to get more expensive. Think they're better off giving Baez a shot and hopes he hits 250 with a 300 obp to go along with awesome pop.

How'd that cubs pen do tonight, RP?

You'd be buying low on castro. He's been good in years past, but I'm all for him getting dealt. Always one step forward, one step back with him. Javier baez might be troy Glaus or jose cruz jr

Castro is just below league average for his career, and even though he's still young, there's more than enough of a sample size for me to assume he is what he is. I personally feel he's been overrated because he's posted empty 300 batting averages with little pop and a lack of success at avoiding outs. He's never been more than 16% better than league average offensively, per ops+, and that year is sandwiched between two abysmal seasons. I'd be disappointed if he was acquired when Ross is seemingly in high demand.

As for Baez, if he routinely posted Jose Cruz Jr's career slash line he's an all-star at short.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Reds trade Mike Leake to Giants for two minor league pitchers. (via ESPN and Multiple reports) <a href="http://t.co/ZmK6rNQenh">pic.twitter.com/ZmK6rNQenh</a></p>&mdash; SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/626976845330784256">July 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Yankees and Blue Jays were the other teams trying to get a deal for Leake done.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The crowd reaction says it all (via <a href="https://twitter.com/TheCauldron">@TheCauldron</a>)
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Just fucking take Casro, Damian.

Domonic Brown got picked off second by the catcher.

I hate watching him play so much. Someone just take him, please.

<font color=goldenrod>Fully expecting to hear about Wheeler for Bruce rumors until 4 PM. Sounds like the Reds want another piece added to the deal. So the Mets could wind up trading more for Bruce, who is nowhere near the fit for the team as Gomez. They already are too lefty-dominant, strikes out as much as Duda, would force Grandy to be miscast in CF, he costs more money, and he has awful home/away splits. He's an improvement but nothing that's going to transform the entire lineup.

At least I can admit that trading Wheeler won't cripple them even if the player they get back isn't great. Best case scenario he's back in June/July next year and on a tight innings cap in 2017 as are all young pitchers who get TJS. So you're looking at 2018 as the first year he might give you 200 innings, and he's a free agent after 2019.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>The media is fully prepared to LOLMets in almost any plausible scenario today:

A) They stand pat and do nothing. The affirms the belief to the fans that the Gomez deal fell apart due to money and that they don't truly think they can win in 2015.

B) They do the Bruce for Wheeler trade or something similar. While this eases the financial concerns of the team it will be painted as a total PR/panic move.

C) They trade for a Will Venable type of player, who will clearly help but compared to what could have been on Wednesday totally meets the "socks on Christmas" analogy compared to what could have been on Wednesday.</font>

Possible trade deadline deals in the works the past few hours:

Red Sox-Padres currently in talks with Tyson Ross as the centerpiece for a deal.

Red Sox and Cubs both in talks with the Inidans Carlos Carrasco. Cubs likely the front runners while Red Sox see him more as a backup plan if the Ross deal fails.

Yanks, Red Sox, and Astros currently in talks with the Padres for Craig Kimbrel. Yanks currently the front runners with Jorge Mateo as the one the Padres want the most.

Orioles in talks with both the Brewers for Gerardo Parra and Phillies for Ben Revere.

Cubs get Dan Haren.

O's get Gerrardo Parra.

Cue Droford with world series aspirations.

Jays land Ben Revere.

ALL YOUR PLAYERS NOW BELONG TO US

<font color=goldenrod>Deja vu. Mets/Reds talks of a Bruce for Wheeler swap that have been going on since last night have fallen apart over either medical concerns or money.

Never in my life have I seen an organization so inept.</font>

Any word on who is coming this way?

Cespedes to the Mets

Unless Cashman got a last minute play in the works, Yankees fans better be fucking scared right now.

<font color=goldenrod>OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDD</font> :love:

<font color=goldenrod>Mets gave up Michael Fulmer and Luis Cessa, according to reports. Keeping Wheeler is a huge bonus.

Hate to lose Fulmer but you have to give something to get something, especially for a guy who will transform the lineup like Cespedes. I think RDD will love Fulmer before long. Dude is tearing up Double A. Needs to be added to the 40 this offseason to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>I see the "pending medical review" tag still being thrown around.

Let's hope the Mets don't veto it because the circumference of Cespedes' left areola is bigger than his right or something.</font>

lol areola

Jimmy Cordero and Alberto Tirado. Both throw really hard, Cordero reaches 100 out of the pen. Tirado has a higher upside than Cordero who is 24 and just reached AAA

The dust has settled and Yankees are gonna promote Luis Severino. Really surprised nobody wanted him. Would have sent him to Detroit in a heartbeat for David Price.

They also cut Esmil Rogers loose so he can play in Korea. Whatever.

Dan Haren is a plus get for the Cubs. He'll be way better than shitty fucking Jason Marquis.

So fucking furious with the sorry ass Padres right now. Don't even have the fucking words.

He's better than all the other of not named Adam Jones they've been using

I was shocked the Cubs took Tommy Hunter

G Parra is my 3rd favorite Diamondback of all time

:| Red Sox big trade today ended up being them adding another pitcher with throwing issues. Considering the problems this year, one would think that'd be the last thing they actually want.

A's traded Ryan Cook to them for a TBA player and/or cash.

So....angry.....at you.....right now:mad:

Ian krol worst baseballer of all time

Tigers bullpen sucks

Wooo Jays walk off the Royals!

<font color=goldenrod>2 days after thinking he'd been traded and crying on the field, Wilmer Flores wins the game for the Mets with a 12th inning walkoff. Amazing.</font>

How'd that Cubs pen do today, RP?

Just wait til Tommy Hunter goes boom

Fuck Jason Marquis. Right in the ear.

You're dead to me, wadding

Carlos Marmol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason Marquis

Jason Marquis sucked

So does the entire city of Phillidelphia

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Seriously now, wadding: Cubs signed Marquis to a 3/21 deal. He pitched 2 seasons for them and totaled 3.4 WAR. They paid him 13 mil and he was worth 20. Not bad for an innings eating 4th/5th starter. That's what Edwin Jackson was supposed to be.

He was "too expensive" for the last year of his deal so they shipped him to Colorado where, in the last year of that deal, he had a career year and was worth 3.4 WAR. That's a 21.4 mil value for a guy who was paid 8 mil.

He was exactly what he was supposed to be. Sometimes he was good, sometimes he was bad, but he took the hill every fifth day. Never put on the DL during that time. That's an ideal backend of the rotation starter.

I can't believe you have such a hard on for someone who got paid $11 million dollars by the Cubs to be completely and totally average at his job. And whatever he did in Colorado has no bearing on my opinion of him.

Think the point you're missing Dave is that being average is actually a good thing.

Average pay for an average player.

I sure as shit wish I could get paid 11 million dollars over 2 years to just not suck.

So in short, he basically sucked.

No. He was a slightly above average pitcher during his time with the Cubs. What else would a team want from a 4/5 starter? I mean, yes, every team should have Zach Greinke as their fourth starter but since that isn't possible you need someone else there to fill a role.

Look at it this way....they just got Dan Haren who they are praying is Marquis. They wanted a guy who will take the bump every five days and just hold his own. Haren is slightly above league average and that's all they wanted.

Except I'd much rather have Haren than Marquis.

Who does Marquis play for now, by the way? Surely some team out there needs an average starter (who sucks).

......they stuck to their plan, btw.

He was in the majors with Cincy this year. 9 starts and a 6.46 ERA. :y:

Since this isn't 2009, yeah I'll take haren over marquis. I'm arguing that a pitcher like marquis (which is Dan Haren in 2015) has value to a team at the back end of the rotation during the regular season. Marquis was never going to start a playoff game and neither will Haren if they get that far.

Glad to have a fun baseball argument and debate in this thread rather than a bunch of MLBTR bot posts.

*barfs on screech ' s head*

um. Dan Haren was an ace in 2009. Jason Marquis was just Really Lucky Jason Marquis.

Dan Haren was worth 6.5 WAR by himself in 2009. Marquis from 2007-2009 was worth 6.8 WAR in total.

Yes, you take that Dan Haren over Marquis in 09. Duh.

Again, the cubs, in 2015, needed a Jason Marquis type pitcher at the trade deadline. The reason I used Marquis as a comp was to describe to cub fans who remember him what kind of player they should expect to get at the deadline.

I'm not directly comparing the two in any way.

Uh oh...RP'S here.

"Dey shoudda got David Price and Cole Hamels for Starlin Castro and Jason Hammel. Dey suck now they'll never win aaaahhhhhhh"

*barfs on screech ' s radio microphone*

I'm a bot because I'm telling you the truth about a pitcher you love for some reason? Look, I'm a fan of guys who aren't very good too, but I can at least admit that their bloated numbers have more to do with luck than talent.

Yes, and I remember that Jason Marquis sucked and Dan Haren does not. Therefore your comparison is invalid.

Dude, I'm just messing with you with the barf stuff since you're a Phills fan. C'mon.

Dan Haren 2015 is Jason Marquis circa 2008 in terms of purpose, role and results.

Marquis in '08 had an FIP of 4.61, Haren's this year is 4.58. 15 Haren has a better K and BB rate than 08 Marquis, but Marquis got more groundballs and allowed way fewer homers. Haren has been worth 0.5 WAR this year and should finish with a WAR of 1.0-1.3, while 08 Marquis had a WAR of 1.8 (Marquis pitched 167 innings, Haren has pitched 129 so far and should get another 50-60).

Both 08 Marquis and 15 Haren are flawed but both have wound up with similar results at the end of the day.

I have always seen your point. And it's basically valid, but Jason Marquis still sucks. You could have just said 2009 Rich Harden and I would have been okay with that. LOL

Argh...fucking wadding.....I'm going to train your class to not do their homework. You'll carefully and thoughtfully explain why it's necessary, then they'll just respond with "it sucks"

*barfs in screech ' s backpack*

I get it, Jason Marquis tongued your balls in a Wrigley Field bathroom in 2007.