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Lol I may or may not even take issue with the other points you made. But the first issue stood out as something I disagreed with. So I addressed it. That’s not cherry picking.

slik	09-03-2022 01:42 PM

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XL	09-03-2022 01:49 PM

Tony tweeted that Andrade is at the cricket.

Mr. Nerfect

09-03-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spilchuk (Post 5575320)

I think the issue is bigger than that, in many directions:

1. An injury announcement involving a champion shouldn't be a ratings consideration.
2. It didn't have to be a 8 minute bit. It just should have been longer than 30 seconds and in front of the live audience.
3. Speaking of said live audience, not long after the announcement, Britt comes out to the crowd and buries your Champion, again.
4. Also, if there is any veracity to the heat between Rosa and Baker (which I am sure there is, given the parties involved), it looks as though Khan is taking sides. And it is with the party he is seen with in public at various sporting events. The same party who gets more screen time than both women's champions. As much as Vince was derided for having a "type" let's say. He wasn't having his picture taken standing next to Sable and taking her to big events with him.
5. The AEW Women's Division is not a draw. No lie there. That is because in no small part because it isn't treated as a priority. WWE had the same problem until Triple H noticed that four of the girls in developmental were bigger stars than most of the guys, and not just with horny dudes.

Bingo. There are ways to treat talent *you* put into position with dignity that isn’t 1:1 exactly the same thing. Her not being the promo Punk is isn’t the point in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5575353)

But we’ve been here before. Now you say “that’s the way you’ve read it”.

Well, it is the way you read it, sunshine. I am telling you, right now, I did not mean to state it is a fact. You can either be a #1-mark about it, or you can listen to what I’m saying.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5575386)

Tony tweeted that Andrade is at the cricket.

I think you’re joking about the potential innocuousness of the tweet, but maybe talent should be more careful about what they post on social media.

AEW fans are already running with this and turning on Andrade something fierce. Just the usual tho.

Mr. Nerfect

09-03-2022 04:20 PM

I guess Andrade needs to find the sport that is more boring than his matches. Women’s tennis isn’t going to do it.

#1-norm-fan

09-03-2022 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5575500)

Well, it is the way you read it, sunshine. I am telling you, right now, I did not mean to state it is a fact. You can either be a #1-mark about it, or you can listen to what I’m saying.

He says while avoiding actually admitting he was wrong for the thousandth time.

Mr. Nerfect

09-03-2022 04:44 PM

By the way, Tony Khan’s relationship to the ratings is so infantile. There’s no way he legitimately runs a promotion with that misunderstanding of what the numbers mean. It’s a total scapegoat to drag Rosa. If he misspoke, he needs to speak less. But he’s just using that to justify his shit booking, which is more to the point people are making (not that Rosa cutting a 8 min promo would be good).

If TK wanted higher ratings, get rid of the acts that cap your product. The guys with the gimmicks that shit all over what you’re doing, the guys with change-the-channel daylight between their shit. It’ll take time and a bit to course correct with the women because YOU and YOUR TEAM have cultivated the perspective there.

Maybe he would hire a booker if he wanted higher ratings? Maybe he wouldn’t waste guys like Danielson, MJF and Wardlow?

Everyone knows that wrestling fans don’t count for much with advertisers anyway. Acting like your prerogative is solely to get the highest ratings for your segments is bullshit of the highest order.

screech

09-03-2022 06:46 PM

Noid's "I didn't say what you say I said even though everyone can read exactly what I said" gimmick is really something.

Mr. Nerfect

09-03-2022 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 5575557)

Noid's "I didn't say what you say I said even though everyone can read exactly what I said" gimmick is really something.

I said: “Malakai Black’s desired departure from AEW is said to be…” You can read it as his desired departure is fact. I thought it would go without saying that the speculative nature would apply to the whole statement without needing to paste ALLEGEDLY everywhere. “Malakai Black’s ALLEGED departure from AEW is ALLEGED to be because of ALLEGED mental health issues.” Fixed it for ya?

It’s obviously not fact Malakai Black wants out. It’s common sense, but it’s not fact. Yet.

#1-norm-fan

09-03-2022 07:27 PM

So here’s the series of events…

- There were some rumblings from the wrestling media that Malikai Black wanted out.

- Noid relayed that report and tacked on a speculated reason with his usual smug “lolAEW”.

- XL stated that the owner of the company said the entire premise was not accurate.

- Noid scoffed at that and then tried to excuse himself by claiming he was never working with the assumption that any part of this was true as he went down his “speculated reasons, lolAEW” rabbit hole.

- He’s now OVER-correcting his mistake with too many “ALLEGEDS” to paint the original objection as ludicrous after he was called out. As opposed to just saying “I probably shouldn’t have even commented on this to begin with. My bad.”

Side note: Noid would really like you to know that there is pro-AEW bias in the wrestling media as a whole but he is only interested in good faith conversations.

xrodmuc316

09-04-2022 02:45 AM

LOL #1boilingFan's hero

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">how does mark zuckerberg have better kicks than cm punk <a href="https://t.co/5sgBvrYdSR">https://t.co/5sgBvrYdSR</a></p>— Soundwave (@LocalSoundwave) <a href="https://twitter.com/LocalSoundwave/status/1566191671674560516?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect

09-04-2022 05:35 AM

Mark Zuckerberg for a guest Rumble spot, pls.

Mr. Nerfect

09-04-2022 05:38 AM

Or team him with Kerry Morton as the modern day York Foundation. Kerrence Morton.

#1-norm-fan

09-04-2022 10:46 AM

Still triggering cumdorx to try to get his heat back weeks after being “ignored”. Damn I’m good.

Lock Jaw

09-04-2022 10:57 AM

#1-norm-fan is boilin' for a fight!

#1-norm-fan

09-04-2022 11:07 AM

… and karaoke after.

xrodmuc316

09-04-2022 11:49 AM

#1Fan-in-TATTERS :lol::lol::lol:

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#1-norm-fan

09-04-2022 11:55 AM

xrod BOILINGTATTEREDSIMMERINGDUNKEDONROFLROFLROFL over his genius strategy to derp without being made fun of EXPLODING in his face. Much like Punk does at the end of his schoolgirl crush fantasies.

Mr. Nerfect

09-04-2022 01:34 PM

Lol, TK did another paid for interview with Forbes where he said AEW generates over $100 million in revenue and a bunch of AEW bots are going nuts over it like “See! It’s a success!” Given they get $45 million in TV rights and split ad revenue with Warner Bros Discovery 50/50, you’d hope they would generate >$90 mil before you even get to PPV, ticket sales and merchandise. That doesn’t say anything about their overall profits though.

xrodmuc316

09-05-2022 04:15 PM

Mr. Nerfect

09-06-2022 06:29 AM

Something’s gotta give.

Jordan

09-06-2022 06:43 AM

Damn that made me feel bad for him.

Mr. Nerfect

09-06-2022 09:24 AM

This is all by his design.

Evil Vito

09-07-2022 01:37 PM

Malakai Black has been granted a conditional release.

Damian Rey 2.0

09-07-2022 03:03 PM

I’ve read it for mental health reasons. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.

Really thought after his debut he’d be a top heel in the company but he’s gone mostly nowhere and he’s no longer a singles act, either. I wonder if the conditional release just means he’ll be back in AEW whenever he’s ready.

Frank Drebin

09-07-2022 03:31 PM

They had a god damned super villain and they just put him in a nowhere feud with Cody and a bunch of 6 man matches. SMH

Evil Vito

09-07-2022 03:44 PM

If Malakai was actually working hurt with (by his own admission on Twitch) really severe back issues, or otherwise struggling, then working 6-man tags and nothing too high pressure, was probably the most appropriate way he could've been booked. That sort of thing goes to show that there's always a hundred stories and different reasons behind why someone is booked the way they are, beyond what you see on TV.

That said it's a damn shame, a lot more could've been done with a fully healthy Malakai. If he's struggling mentally I hope he gets all of that taken care of before he goes into whatever he's gonna do next.

Frank Drebin

09-07-2022 04:22 PM

Yes if he was dealing with a long term injury then obviously they did the best they could considering. I didnt know he was though.

Mr. Nerfect

09-07-2022 04:53 PM

Surprised more talent don’t get out from both companies on conditional releases. He seemed like he was going to be a big project for them. He was never really that good. I think they bought into Meltzer’s bullshit about him being a chosen one, then they got stuck with him.

I wonder if the release is for all wrestling or if it just excludes WWE? Because Court Bauer used to be nuts about the guy. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him in MLW.

XL	09-08-2022 10:24 AM

I think both parties rushed into commitment because of the whole 30 day compete fiasco. Strike while the iron is hot, stick it to WWE type thing when Black could have done with some time off by all accounts. Would explain the release from WWE a little more if he wasn’t ready to return. Or did he injure himself in AEW?

Mr. Nerfect

09-08-2022 12:08 PM

I thought he injured himself in AEW, but if he didn’t, there should be a more careful screening process when it comes to bringing guys in.

Sting Fan

09-08-2022 05:28 PM

Pretty sad to see Malakai go but it sounds like its more a health/personal thing so good on him for calling it. If he turns up in WWE again so be it but I really hope he returns to AEW at some point.

I'm curious what they do with HOB, I could see Buddy and Brody making an excellent tag team with Julia managing them if they chose to go that way and wait to see if Black returns but I feel like this leaves Julia a bit exposed.

Not to sure how good Buddy or Brody are on the mic but one of them needs to be able to hold up that end of the bargain a little bit if they go this route because I dont think Julia is ready to do al the talking.

xrodmuc316

09-08-2022 08:23 PM

How come The Rock is opening up the NFL season instead of somebody that is an actual megastar like Dante Martin or Tony Nese?

#1-norm-fan

09-08-2022 08:36 PM

Damn. The “Tony Nese and Dante Martin are megastars” crowd has officially been checkmated.

Jordan

09-08-2022 09:32 PM

Can you believe it? Jake Hager resigned with AEW and given a raise, damn.

Mr. Nerfect

09-09-2022 02:28 AM

He’s Jericho’s buddy. He’s going to have a job standing there for $1 million a year whether it’s warranted or not.

Ol Dirty Dastard

09-09-2022 07:35 AM

For those thinking Vince would've handled this better than Tony, that's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Vince wouldn't have run the post-match scrum--which is probably a credit to him in this instance. They're pointless anyway because all they do is break kayfabe. However, Vince on TV outside of a WWE context (and not on a late-night talk show where he used to do okay) is a dumpster fire. The Bob Costas interview is a fucking disaster and I can't remember the other one where he came across as a psychopath, but he's bad. Those appearances were probably why he never appeared outside of anything WWE produced for the past could of decades.

Also, he wouldn't have suspended anyone if he could've gotten away with it. If the network execs wanted it to happen, then maybe. But he wasn't some grand disciplinarian. Sure, he's a bully--but not someone who'd suspend his main stars. Maybe if it were a couple of underneath guys he'd have fired them.

In fairness--I'd prefer if nobody got suspended because this is pro wrestling and backstage fights happen. Could've slapped'm with fines and made them work it out.

drave

09-09-2022 07:37 AM

Fines are wank and hardly serve a purpose.

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