And there is so many conflicting reports on the times...they announced in the press conferences this whole thing started Friday. Benoit missed a house show during the week, then allegedly contacted the WWE and said he would miss Vengeance. I don't get it. And supposedly he texted on Sunday but they say he likely died Saturday. They probably shouldn't have even had a press conference yet until they organized their information better.

Yeh I wish they would come forward with exactly when he sent the messages, who they were sent to, and what they said. I dont know if they will release them, they probably won't if there is any personal details.

I'm confused.

It's believed that Benoit killed himself either late Saturday or early Sunday. I thought he was backstage at the ppv Sunday night and went home because of a "family emergency." And what's this about missing a house show?

I'm sad that he is gone, angry he took his family with him, baffled as to why it all happened and seemingly without warning, and angry at him again for detail a destructive blow to professional wrestling.

He no-showed a house show earlier in the week. And from what I believe, he was never backstage at Vengeance, but contacted them saying he was going to be unable to make it due to personal reasons.

I think the people who ran the press conferences aren't straight on their times as it conflicts with the test messages being sent / Benoit calling in saying he wouldn't make the weekend shows which at the same time other sources say he never called and besides the text messages were the reason WWE called the cops.

What a cluster fuck.

Regardless the biggest rumor going around right now is the text messages were to Chavo.

You know, back in the day when I was way younger and obsessed with WCW and The Radicals left for the then WWF, I was like, "You guys suck, I hope you all die!"

2 out of 4 now, I didn't mean it though. :-(

Which brings up a good but off topic question, has anyone heard of Perry Saturn as of late?

The whole text message thing is as stated a bit of a clusterfuck.
What they are saying is he sent the text late saturday early sunday before he killed himself,it then took about 12 hours or so for the text to be received.
And then a further what say twelve hours for the cops to go to his home.

I've always prided myself in being able to seprate the performer from the man.

Hearing that people like Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and Hulk Hogan are assholes outside of the ring, but when they are in the arena I like them...

As of right now I don't know if I can seprate Chris Benoit the wrestler from Chris Benoit the man. That is such a horrible thing in and of it self.

Their is no doubt in my mind that Chris Benoit went insane, to kill your sevben year old son you've gotta be insane, or just cold blooded.

It'll be awhile before I can watch a match with Chris Benoit in it again and not look at it with disdane. I greieve for Benoit's family that died, and I grieve from Benoit's family that now have to live with the fact that they man that they knew and loved could do such a dispicable... It'll be a long time before I can grieve for Chris Benoit, if ever.

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And the Chavo rumour has been round all day (I think Meltzer reported it)</font>

Well there could of been the problem of not having a signal for a text message....

At my cousins house I have no signal...so any message that is sent to me while im there I dont get till im down the street.

If Benoit had no signal on his phone or perhaps the wrestler who he sent the message to didnt have a signal then he could of sent the message on Saturday but it wouldnt of been received till Sunday.

That solve the problem as to why the text was received after his death...

CNN Headline News is gonna have an update in a half hour.

As I see all the reports on the news now, I still just can't believe. Why. What the hell is wrong with him? This is just too much, even though I just want to know more.

There was obviously something very deep and troubling inside Chris Benoit. I think the losses of Owen and Eddie, among others, as well as the politics of the current state of WWE, and a seemingly troubled marriage, caused Benoit to snap.

We'll probably never know his real motive, unless he left some sort of message that surfaces later.

Right now I feel sorry for the people who were close to his family, and I grieve the loss of one of the best wrestlers of all time, and for this horrible tragedy.

No i understand that the recipient may not have had a signal to receive the text.
The point i was making was the timeline of it all.if any of the conjecture regarding the text message being recived during or before the ppv,why did wwe not inform the police sooner why did the police not go to his home till the next day.
Did people at wwe try to keep it in house for as long as possible.
I just find it strange as to why the big delay in receiving the text to them informing the police.

I think the test messages will tell why he did it or at least serve as suicide notes / last goodbyes.

My guess is Nancy was going to leave him and take Daniel or reveal something terrible/incriminating about him, so he killed her to stop that and didn't want his son growing up living with what happened or having the memories of possibly seeing it happen. Chris knew what he did would mentally fuck up his kid and decided that killing him would be more merciful.

The bibles sort of representing hopes they would go to a better place because they had one next to their bodies but Benoit didn't kid himself as to where he was going since there wasn't one next to him.

Guess this is why when we see wrestlers on TV they are always referred to as "characters" because in the world of wrestling no matter what you see, even for decades, up on the screen can be worlds away from who those people are off camera.

Damn it Benoit.

I really think him and his wife and been having big trouble recently, she was threatening to leave him and he decided to kill her. So he killed her and planned on disposing of her and getting away with it. I don't know if the kid found the body, or if Benoit just realized he was going to get caught. Either way, he gave up and killed the kid and then himself.

When I was showering tonight, that is exactly what I thought

i think it might have been roid rage, the da is on fox news now.

This is all really f'd up. Since all of this appears to be true, something must have suddenly happened to cause all of this. Like his wife was cheating, or something of that nature and all of it just built up and he exploded. It's even more odd that tv has said there was no suicide note, so whatever happened, he doesn't want anyone to know. What a difference 24 hours can make.

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So he killed himself in a no signal zone. Gotcha. It's a good thing that his cell phone was one of those oens that grows legs after you kill yourself.

Or maybe, Chavo was in a dead zone for...A full day? Neither makes sense, and the carrier would still have times. Not to mention, even if Chavo got them Sunday, they'd still say they were sent Saturday if he were in the dead zone.

All in all, the only way they could have been sent after he died is one that is exceeedingly unlikely.

In all my years on tpww I have always tried my hardest to form my own opinions on whatever matter no matter how serious or trivial.

However, at this time I feel the need for someone to tell me how to feel about Benoit.

This is sick, fucked up stuff but I don't agree with MB, i don't think it was palnned.

More that he attacked her in arage after she said she was leaving, he killed her, then realised what he'd done which sent him into a downward spiral.

He knew he's hav eto face the consequences and being a world reknown star this was not going to be easy. His guilt or fear of what was around the corner for him lead him to decide to commit suicide.

I cannot for the life of me understand why e would take the life of his 7 Year Old son. There are dozens of people who could have given Daniel a safe and secure upbringing. This is the point that makes me think he literally went nuts.

I thought for a moment there that maybe he'd killed Daniel firsta nd then when Nancy returned home to find what he had done (and wanted to go to the police) he snapped and tried to stop her, ending her life. That seems to make more sense to me (if not for the timeline we're being told)

I rambled more than I wanted to there. My main point is that I feel I need to be told how to feel about Benoit. So someone tell me, please.

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This is what people have been talking about all day, the failure of everyone to seperate Chris Benoit the man from Chris Benoit the performer. None of us knew Chris Benoit the man, all we know are the general consequences surrounding his death and the very little that we have been told by the select few people who knew him.

Chris Benoit the performer should rightly go down as one of the greatest wrestlers to step into the ring, Chris Benoit the man should rightly be seen as an evil fuck who killed his family.

I also have kind of a bad feeling that there is video footage of what happened. You would have to think that a house as big as Chris' had to have some security cameras in it. Unless he would have destroyed them, there is a chance there could be video footage.

I guess Jeritron gave me his answer before I even asked the question.

And at he moment that's the sentiment I'm leaning towards. :nono:

Big house don't mean cameras.

I just dont see a rage of frenzy or fury like that lasting the course of 2 or 3 days. Now if he killed them at the same time, then maybe. But he killed her first, his son the next day, and then himself the day after that or possibly later in the same day as he killed his son.

And I agree about the son, I can't fathom doing that. Now, I can see reasoning for it, but I can't agree to it or find any sort of justification in it. Maybe he didnt want his son living with these kind of tortured memories or whatever, but still. Thats not his fucking choice to make and by that time, what, was he going to redeem himself or something by killing his son to spare him from a life of turmoil?

I just wish they would come out with all the information ASAP so we can put this to rest and start moving forward.

Sorry, can't do that. You can keep watching Benoit matches and respecting him professionally, that's fine. I find it absurd. The man suffocated his 7 year old child after committing premeditated murder on his wife. He is a disgusting human being. The same human being standing in that ring. No interest in ever seeing him wrestle a match in a business thats supposed to be fun and entertaining. A peice of shit, that about sums it up. I don't care if he's performing, thats the same person. That would be a cold blooded murderer and a peice of trash that I have 0 respect for in any department.

You think I give a fuck how any murderer or reprehensible human does at their job? Freddy Kruegger, great janitor. Don't mean shit. It's just a shame he can't live to rot in a jail cell.

Still the question remains about the timeline.Im not harping on about this to defect from what happened,but there is a huge amount of time totally unaccounted for.
Another thing if like people are laying it out,he killed his wife then left it a day to kill his son what happened in the between time as the police said the house was not messed up in anyway to show signs of a struggle or signs of him going crazy over what he done.
It just seems to me that very important factors are being dismissed without a second thought.

It finally hit me watching the press conference. Reality finally hit. Chris Benoit may God have mercy on your soul.

That kind of falls under the improbable part. The liklihood that there was such a serious service drop long enough to postpone messages this long is unlikely. I have more faith in the walking cell phone theory.

Not if he had fuckin' Verizon. My text messaging hardly ever works.

Anyone else just not know what to say and are still in shock he did this?

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The following was posted on WWE.com just now:


STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.

However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:

1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.

WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.

Shit here's another conundrum.

I don't have Sky/cable at home and although I found a live feed on the net last night I couldn't stay up til 4 watching Raw as I have to go to work.

So I started a download from PWTorrents before I left for work. It's fully DL'd now but I can't work out in my own head if I should watch it given what I've found out since returning home.

This thing is so fucked up I'm asking a bunch of people I don't know whether I should watch a TV show. I'm 23 for fuck sake. And KK can take the piss all he likes but I'm having trouble getting my head around how to feel about the guy.

I think it's clear what WWE's stance on it is. They've pulled all referance to him from wwe.com, discontinued his sopzone stuff and event removed his name for the advertising blurb for WM20.

WWE is walking this like better than I ever thought they would. They are throwing Benoit under a bus, but it looks like the son of a bitch deserves it.