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Emperor Smeat 05-23-2021 07:13 PM

Current rumor going around the net is that Will Ospreay's neck injury is not as severe as originally assumed but him dropping the title is also rumored to not be due to it.

Supposedly he wanted to go back home in the UK for an unknown amount of time while NJPW officials want him to stay in Japan for medical treatment. That led to the two sides being involved in a big dispute backstage leading to him getting stripped of the title. Him not offering a return date from his trip also added to the frustrations between both sides.

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Originally Posted by Voices of Wrestling
We were able to gather more information on the "gaijin unrest" situation in New Japan.

Regarding Ospreay, several Japanese wrestlers inside the company are insisting that the Will Ospreay neck injury is in fact legitimate, adding that the dispute stems from New Japan wanting Ospreay to remain in Japan for treatment, but Ospreay refusing, having already made up his mind that he was going home.

Others have noted that while Ospreay may be hurting, the official neck injury story coming out of New Japan may be an office cover reason for Will leaving the country. In addition to whatever injury he may or may not have or the true severity of that injury, there is built up frustration among the gaijin (including Ospreay) over the promotions handling of the COVID situation, with the abrupt scheduling of the latest tour being a tipping point. Once Ospreay left the country, whether due to legitimate injury that will keep him shelved, or out of sheer frustration and an unknown date of return (or a combination of both), at that point the promotion had no choice other than to strip him of the World title.

It should be noted that when RevPro's official Twitter account was asked about the status of Ospreay, the company was very non committal on whether he would be stripped of their version of the top title, noting that Ospreay would address this himself on an upcoming show.

Ospreay gave a short, vague statement to Dave Meltzer in this weeks Wrestling Observer Newsletter, saying "he would be fine and just needs time". Neither Ospreay or RevPro directly addressing the alleged injury is worth noting ...

Specifically in regards to the gaijins, the situation has been described by more than one source as a potential "mutiny", with the fly-ins already being frustrated with the constant quarantine and bubble arrangements, and the latest round of positive tests being a breaking point.


ClockShot 05-23-2021 08:12 PM

Personally, I'd like to know Zack Sabre Jr. and Gabe Kidd's state of mind right now.

I think they're the only 2 foreigners who have been in New Japan since the outbreak began. I could be missing 1 or 2 others. But I feel like they're taking this in stride.

Emperor Smeat 05-23-2021 09:23 PM

Okada recently confirmed that he was among those in NJPW who have recently tested positive for COVID.

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Originally Posted by Fightful
Kazuchika Okada has stepped forward to reveal he tested positive for COVID-19.

In an interview with Radio Oshabering (via Tokyo Sports), Okada admitted he was one of the handful of positive tests coming out of NJPW following Wrestling Dontaku on May 4. Okada, along with SHO, YOH, Minoru Suzuki, El Desperado, and Yoshinobu Kanemaru were pulled from Wrestling Dontaku and with the company saying they were undergoing thorough examination and PCR and antibody testing.

Okada stated he repeatedly tested negative, but over time felt a fever and was unwell before he finally tested positive. He stated that he is feeling better now.


Emperor Smeat 05-24-2021 06:39 PM

Add Taichi to the pile who tested positive for COVID recently.

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ClockShot 05-24-2021 07:42 PM

The U.S. State Department added Japan to it's "COVID Do Not Travel" list.

Oh boy.

Emperor Smeat 05-25-2021 01:14 AM

Current rumor going around the net hints that Will Ospreay might be done with NJPW and might be considering signing with WWE for their NXT UK brand.

Edit: Some more details regarding the NXT UK part of the rumor and the conflicting stories about it.

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Originally Posted by Voices of Wrestling
Multiple Japanese wrestlers and at least some in the office believe that Ospreay could be NXT UK bound. The way the NXT UK speculation was described to me, reads more of a general misunderstanding of what NXT UK is, in that some of our Japanese sources don't fully understand the difference between NXT and NXT UK, and also a connecting of the dots scenario due to the feeling that Ospreay was homesick and anxious in the heart of a COVID crisis in a foreign country. It should be noted that Ospreay is under New Japan contract, so even if he wanted to leave, he would have to be granted a release. There is no indication that he has asked for a release, that New Japan would be willing to grant him one, or whether he even wants one to begin with.

On its face, the NXT UK speculation makes very little sense. Assuming Ospreay were able to secure himself a release, it would be foolish to take an NXT UK level deal when he could unquestionably score a much larger contract from AEW or elsewhere (ROH). From WWE's perspective, it would be foolish to sign a star the level of Ospreay to a contract fair to his market value, and then use him on such a low priority brand. It would seem some on the Japanese side may have a misunderstanding of what NXT UK is and it's place in the WWE pecking order, and it should be noted that the NXT UK rumblings are not coming from anyone on the western side. Still, the talk among the Japanese wrestlers is that they believe Ospreay is NXT UK bound, and at least one person in the office is telling people he is convinced that NXT UK is Ospreay's end game. One source close to several Japanese talents chalked up the NXT UK talk to "ignorance of the western wrestling landscape" and went on to say that he wouldn't be surprised if the office is equally uninformed.

There is also talk among the Japanese roster is that there is a very good chance of "a mass foreign exodus" in January, when several contracts come due. It is unknown if Ospreay's contract is up in January of 2022, but it should be noted various media reports in 2019 indicated that Ospreay had signed a 5-year contract.


Emperor Smeat 05-26-2021 02:50 AM

Add El Desperado to the growing COVID pile for NJPW.

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Originally Posted by Post Wrestling
The current IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion El Desperado took to Twitter and revealed that he contracted Coronavirus as well. Desperado listed off symptoms he is dealing with such as: 39 ℃ Fever, back pain, incredible levels of malaise, dizziness, decline in cardiopulmonary function, coughing, a strange taste of drinks, Gastrointestinal issues and pain in his muscle and joints.


Fignuts 05-26-2021 03:36 AM

I thought Japan was handling the pandemic better than anyone at one point. How did they turn into such a shitshow?

ClockShot 05-26-2021 07:00 AM

Restrictions ain't tough enough, open borders, poor vaccine distribution, who knows.

But Suga flipping the state of emergency switch on and off every few weeks ain't doing the trick.

If it ain't going to get any better, NJPW either needs to shut down for a little while or take a page out of the WWE/AEW playbook and find an venue to hole up, put up a bubble, and shoot shows in isolation.

Evil Vito 05-26-2021 08:13 AM

Japanese citizens largely trust holistic stuff vs. vaccine so unfortunately they're gonna go through wave after wave for a while.

Jordan 05-26-2021 10:38 AM

Ringside news has a rumor that Will Osprey could be interested in getting out of his NJPW deal to work FOR NXT UK. They said he isn't hurt bad enough to justify a title vacate and that he was tired of dealing with Japan during covid.

Emperor Smeat 05-26-2021 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5455480)
I thought Japan was handling the pandemic better than anyone at one point. How did they turn into such a shitshow?

Part of of it is due to the Olympics and Japan trying to get things going back to as normal as possible for the lead up to it.

Doesn't help that the IOC has already said that if it gets delayed again, Tokyo is going to lose it outright and not just be bumped to the 2024 Games or be put in the back of the current line of host cities.

That was the reason why their handling at the start of the pandemic was very shaky since they didn't want to lose the Games. Once the IOC approved of the Games being delayed a year, that's when they started to crack down hard on the pandemic and had it mostly under control.

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 08:09 AM

According to the Observer, NJPW and WWE have held recent talks regarding a potential partnership between both companies.

Dave Meltzer reported that there were talks somewhere around this past March or April but the current status or details of these talks are not known.

The biggest issue for any deal is WWE supposedly wants to be the exclusive US partner for NJPW meaning NJPW would have to drop their current partnerships with ROH, AEW, and Impact to make this possible.

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Originally Posted by Observer Newsletter
In what could end up being among the biggest wrestling stories of the year, or a non-story, depending on the end result, Nick Khan has been in talks with New Japan Pro Wrestling about WWE being the exclusive American partner with the promotion. Right now New Japan has been working with AEW (KENTA, Yuji Nagata, Rocky Romero and Ren Narita plus Jon Moxley working New Japan Strong) and Impact (Juice Robinson, David Finlay, El Phantasmo and Satoshi Kojima) and has had a relationship with CMLL and ROH, but things have slowed down with those companies since COVID.

Obviously there are a million questions regarding such a deal if it was to happen, and there are no indications where talks are at past they date back to late March or early April. But it would include WWE sending talent and WWE top stars being allowed to work in New Japan if talks go anywhere. With Khan, the former isolationist attitude of WWE vs. everyone is changing with the idea WWE is part of the wrestling landscape and not separate from the pro wrestling landscape. Obviously it’s also to keep New Japan, which pre-pandemic was the third strongest company in the world, away from working with other companies which could strengthen the opposition and also be a factor with WWE gunning for the same talent as other companies because there is a percentage of younger talent that grew up on watching New Japan either via tape or YouTube where working there is a much bigger part of their career goals than the prior generation, and AEW talent has been willing to allow its talent to work outside its walls and Impact would allow talent to work with other promotions.


Evil Vito 05-28-2021 08:16 AM

Please god no. We only just got the AEW partnership I've wanted since the company started. I'd just stop watching NJPW if WWE was involved.

erickman 05-28-2021 08:21 AM

damn i was loving the wrestlers going to work impact

Evil Vito 05-28-2021 08:25 AM

I'm sure Rollins or Cesaro or whatever could go to NJPW and work bangers (even though the NJPW style of booking has led to a lot of matches that feel samey).

But I'd have no trust in WWE not misusing any talent that went to the States.

erickman 05-28-2021 08:31 AM

yeah new japan should know better then to work with vince.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 08:54 AM

Lol, I always thought there was a better chance of New Japan working with WWE than AEW. The WWE is just so much more professional and has a much broader range. The Network has been amalgamated into Peacock in the US, but they could still give New Japan its own platform. Plus the quality of the match-ups would just be better.

WWE gives New Japan access to Daniel Bryan, AJ Styles, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Shinsuke Nakamura, Sami Zayn and WALTER. Who can AEW offer? Kenny Omega & The Bucks? PAC? Lance Archer?

Even if this is just used to spice up NXT or for a random match here or there on Raw, it’s a better deal for all involved.

Volare 05-28-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5455782)
I'm sure Rollins or Cesaro or whatever could go to NJPW and work bangers (even though the NJPW style of booking has led to a lot of matches that feel samey).

But I'd have no trust in WWE not misusing any talent that went to the States.

Vince (or his "writers") booking NJPW would be the following...

Evil Japanese is here to "steal" a title or start a "war" while feuding with Otis in the opening match. Will also bow all the time.

One would think Nakamura would be phoning NJPW and warning them to get away from the E.

Evil Vito 05-28-2021 10:29 AM

That awkward moment when Jon Moxley is told he has to go to Raw to defend the US Title against Baron Corbin.

Fignuts 05-28-2021 10:43 AM

I doubt NJPW would enter a partnership if WWE wanted control of their booking. Probably just a few caveats on how their talent is used from both sides.

As much as I dislike WWE, there are far more exciting potential match up there, than what we'd get with an AEW partnership.

Fignuts 05-28-2021 10:47 AM

Ishii vs Walter and Sheamus, please

Jordan 05-28-2021 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5455804)
I doubt NJPW would enter a partnership if WWE wanted control of their booking. Probably just a few caveats on how their talent is used from both sides.

As much as I dislike WWE, there are far more exciting potential match up there, than what we'd get with an AEW partnership.

That's true. I kinda hope it happens.

Evil Vito 05-28-2021 11:23 AM

The ideal thought: dream matches galore

The reality: Hirooki Goto jobs to The Fiend

Fignuts 05-28-2021 01:33 PM

I love Goto, but given his position on the card there's no reason why he should be going over Bray.

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 02:53 PM

Rather NJPW not even bother with toying with the idea of a partnership with WWE since its just going to lead to very bad things for them in the end.

Short term-wise, the partnership would be very interesting for the talent swaps but long term wise, all its going to do is give WWE that strong foothold in Japan they desperately want for their planned NXT Japan brand and set things in motion to hurt NJPW in Japan and ensure their US expansion plans don't become successful.

All you have to look at is the UK or EVOLVE to see what happens when WWE decides to be friendly with others these days. NJPW is of higher status than those other affiliates but the end result is likely going to be the same.

They sign that deal and they might as well start the timer to when they lose Okada to WWE and he starts jobbing to Corbin in his debut feud.

ClockShot 05-28-2021 03:27 PM

Moxley and KENTA were probably guys who would call up NJPW and say don't do it.

On the other hand, guys like KUSHIDA, Finn Balor, and Nakamura would probably be calling and saying make the deal.

Either way, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volare (Post 5455786)
Vince (or his "writers") booking NJPW would be the following...

Evil Japanese is here to "steal" a title or start a "war" while feuding with Otis in the opening match. Will also bow all the time.

One would think Nakamura would be phoning NJPW and warning them to get away from the E.

Yes, because Nakamura is so sad earning more money than he’s ever made in his life, living with his family by the beach, and being more recognised than he ever has before in a company that gave him 15 months to acclimate to US living and make sure his family was settled.

There’s no way a guy like Nakamura, who re-signed with the WWE after AEW had been announced, would be excited for cross-promotional material between him and his old friends and co-workers. Better go and tell them to work with the promotion pushing their even less realistic answer to Toru Yano into their World Title picture, and also enabled Chris Jericho to get fat, bloated and erode his mass appeal, AND turned Jon Moxley into just another guy.

WWE, the largest wrestling promotion in the world, with the most talented wrestlers in the world, would absolutely SUCK lending their world class talent to New Japan. It would just be a disaster. Gotta have “The King of Sports” cross over with the TBS Comedy Revue.

Imagine being a fan of Okada’s presentation just to see him go to AEW and feud with a former WWE mid-carder over video games.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 04:37 PM

P.S. Thought experiment: Imagine Okada coming out on Dynamite vs. coming out on SmackDown. What’s the reaction going to be like on Dynamite? Pretty raucous right? On SmackDown? Much more tepid. If you think for a minute, you might be able to figure out why the latter is actually better.

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 05:53 PM

According to PWI, WWE is trying to use Daniel Bryan as the bridge piece for a potential partnership.

Basically trying to entice him to sign a new deal with them by going out and having these talks and entice NJPW to ditch all of their current partners for them instead by dangling Bryan in front of them.

Thing is Bryan technically could just work for NJPW on his own since his current contract with WWE expired but he knows the moment he does that, the level of pettiness WWE is going to unleash his way will be massive. He also likely knows that will tank his wife's chances of returning to WWE and not get hit with the petty treatment by association.

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Originally Posted by PWI
There was a report earlier today from Dave Meltzer of The Wrestling Observer about WWE reaching out to New Japan Pro Wrestling about a potential working agreement. Since that report began making the rounds, we've heard from a number of readers asking whether there is anything to it. We are told there is and there isn't.

PWInsider.com has been told today by sources from each company that there have been communications between the two sides for several months but the main crux of it was over the potential of Daniel Bryan being able to potentially work some dates in NJPW. Whether anything has come from those discussions remain to be seen. Is it possible the two sides could build a bridge to each other? Sure, but if so, it's not happening right now and it's not something that has happened yet despite talking for some time off and on.

So, This is not a case where any sort of talks are about to lead to New Japan immediately pulling up stakes with their current working agreement or NJPW talents making some sort of shocking appearance on Raw. AEW's Jon Moxley has possession of the IWGP United States title, plus Yuji Nagata worked for them several weeks ago plus Roppongi Vice just reunited in AEW. Meanwhile, Satoshi Kojima just made his Impact Wrestling debut. Don't expect anything in regard to those promotions' relationships with NJPW to change anytime soon, if at all.


Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5455853)
According to PWI, WWE is trying to use Daniel Bryan as the bridge piece for a potential partnership.

Basically trying to entice him to sign a new deal with them by going out and having these talks and entice NJPW to ditch all of their current partners for them instead by dangling Bryan in front of them.

Thing is Bryan technically could just work for NJPW on his own since his current contract with WWE expired but he knows the moment he does that, the level of pettiness WWE is going to unleash his way will be massive. He also likely knows that will tank his wife's chances of returning to WWE and not get hit with the petty treatment by association.

Or Daniel Bryan is using his free agency and value in wrestling to better it (like I predicted). Like he did when he gained some measure of creative power (which I also predicted). Or it’s just the WWE doing something that benefits them creatively and in terms of their content production.

Man the IWC can be such marks.

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 06:52 PM

Or Bryan just wants to simply check off wrestling in NJPW and CMLL before he retires like he's mentioned a bunch of times before for his final career goals.

He's basically pulling a page out of Brock Lesnar's book by using his free agency as a huge bargaining chip to get it potentially done while also staying in WWE's good graces.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5455866)
Or Bryan just wants to simply check off wrestling in NJPW and CMLL before he retires like he's mentioned a bunch of times before for his final career goals.

He's basically pulling a page out of Brock Lesnar's book by using his free agency as a huge bargaining chip to get it potentially done while also staying in WWE's good graces.

Yeah, and there’s nothing wrong with that. And it doesn’t make the WWE any more or less evil than they already were. And it could be beneficial to the entire industry.

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 07:12 PM

:lol: at the idea this would be beneficial to anyone but WWE for the long run.

Whatever benefits NJPW would get for the short term would be erased once NXT Japan pops up because Triple H hasn't been shy at all about what his real goals are for NXT's global expansion.

Last time WWE wanted to partner with someone in Japan, it almost led to two promotions being bought out and shut down. Only reason their first attempt at NXT Japan failed was Wdue to WE being too upfront about what the future of anyone who partners with them in Japan would be.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5455869)
:lol: at the idea this would be beneficial to anyone but WWE for the long run.

Whatever benefits NJPW would get for the short term would be erased once NXT Japan pops up because Triple H hasn't been shy at all about what his real goals are for NXT's global expansion.

Last time WWE wanted to partner with someone in Japan, it almost led to two promotions being bought out and shut down. Only reason their first attempt at NXT Japan failed was Wdue to WE being too upfront about what the future of anyone who partners with them in Japan would be.

You’re not smart, Smeat. All your thinking is borrowed from hucksters who have eroding sources in the industry.

The exposure New Japan would get from working with WWE would be immense. Their access to talent is far greater than with AEW. They aren’t working with a promotion that is any less credible. For all the zombies and Fiend bullshit, you get equally bad or worse shit in AEW. It potentially gives them a platform for their content via Peacock. WWE also live in a content-driven world. The landscape has changed dramatically since the last time you whinged about how the WWE we’re getting rid of long-term executives who wanted to cling to their already ageing OTT model instead of signing a $1 billion deal with NBC Universal. Because everything WWE does = bad. All they care about is ruining the market they thrive in. You fucking moron.

Think, you fucking stooge. Put down the second-hand opinions and form your own.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 07:45 PM

What we really need is more KENTA in AEW! That’s good for wrestling! *fart noise*

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5455872)
You’re not smart, Smeat. All your thinking is borrowed from hucksters who have eroding sources in the industry.

The exposure New Japan would get from working with WWE would be immense. Their access to talent is far greater than with AEW. They aren’t working with a promotion that is any less credible. For all the zombies and Fiend bullshit, you get equally bad or worse shit in AEW. It potentially gives them a platform for their content via Peacock. WWE also live in a content-driven world. The landscape has changed dramatically since the last time you whinged about how the WWE we’re getting rid of long-term executives who wanted to cling to their already ageing OTT model instead of signing a $1 billion deal with NBC Universal. Because everything WWE does = bad. All they care about is ruining the market they thrive in. You fucking moron.

Think, you fucking stooge. Put down the second-hand opinions and form your own.

And your just someone who's shtick on these forums got very old and annoying fast.

Why the fuck would you even care about NJPW since you already mentioned before they lost whatever respect you had for them that you rarely ever showed around here when they partnered with Impact. Same for coming back to TPWW since you also mentioned about not caring about these forums anymore.

You also must be bored or got kicked out from being an annoying twat at other places if you crawled back here again.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5455875)
And your just someone who's shtick on these forums got very old and annoying fast.

Why the fuck would you even care about NJPW since you already mentioned before they lost whatever respect you had for them that you rarely ever showed around here when they partnered with Impact. Same for coming back to TPWW since you also mentioned about not caring about these forums anymore.

You also must be bored or got kicked out from being an annoying twat at other places if you crawled back here again.

No points, just more “wah, your opinion sucks.” At least I explain why you’d full of shit without deferring to someone else’s cliched talking points.

I would care about New Japan way more if they worked with WWE instead of one of the bush leagues. I haven’t watched in ages, but why does that matter? My points are salient. All you’ve got is “Well, actually it would be bad because WWE is evil and NXT Japan and Vince is old.”

And yeah, I had some spare time to come and visit these dead fucking forums. You should consider yourself lucky. :lol: at “crawled back” like signing in and calling you on your shit was some sort of ordeal.

My shtick is to tell the truth, by the way. It gets old because it’s nicer to live with the fantasy that wrestling outside the WWE is some haven and WWE is this actively evil entity that wants to shit on all their potential business partners.

Fignuts 05-28-2021 08:42 PM

I don't think people would stop watching NJPW, just because NXT Japan showed up. There's a huge difference between the UK scene and Japan, so I don't think those results would be the same. And if both companies are willing to cross promote each other's services, NJPW would get boatloads of new subscribers.

Mr. Nerfect 05-28-2021 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5455884)
I don't think people would stop watching NJPW, just because NXT Japan showed up. There's a huge difference between the UK scene and Japan, so I don't think those results would be the same. And if both companies are willing to cross promote each other's services, NJPW would get boatloads of new subscribers.

:y:

I don’t even think NXT Japan is viable. Probably smarter to just work something out with New Japan.

Fignuts 05-28-2021 08:51 PM

Yeah, Japanese fanbases are much less fickle then western audiences,and typically very loyal. It usually takes something monumental to get fans to turn away en masse. See: The AJPW exodus to the newly formed Noah, The Death of Misiwa, and New Japan's disastorous early 00's booking combined with the rise of Pride FC.

Emperor Smeat 05-28-2021 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5455884)
I don't think people would stop watching NJPW, just because NXT Japan showed up. There's a huge difference between the UK scene and Japan, so I don't think those results would be the same. And if both companies are willing to cross promote each other's services, NJPW would get boatloads of new subscribers.

They would if NJPW were to no longer exist or be just a hollow shell of itself and not like the early to mid-2000s phase in the company's history.

This whole partnership idea assumes WWE and NJPW would be treated as equals when neither does that for their partnerships both in the current and past. Even if the short term they were seen as equals, WWE isn't going to let NJPW get any strong foothold in the US while using NJPW as the backdoor into a stronger foothold in Japan and toss them to the side when NJPW no longer has any real use for them.

All you have to do is look up some of Triple H's past interviews and he paints a very clear picture what his goal is for NXT's global expansion plans and WWE suddenly being cozy with other promotions. Only reason NXT Japan's first attempt was a huge bust was due to WWE skipping the cozy part and went right into the end game part.

Mr. Nerfect 05-30-2021 01:20 AM

Drew McIntyre is now teasing the working arrangement. Could be nothing, but Drew seems like a pretty plugged-in company guy. Seems less likely to go into business for himself like the AEW guys.

DaveWadding 05-30-2021 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5455805)
Ishii vs Walter and Sheamus, please

Ishii vs. Everyone

Mr. Nerfect 05-30-2021 05:55 AM

Ishii is the perfect sort of guy to bring in, because he can win some and lose some and it doesn’t cripple anything.

ClockShot 06-01-2021 07:45 PM

Well, Dominion is this coming Monday.

As of right now you're looking at :

Okada vs. Takagi for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship.

El Desperado vs. YOH for the Jr. Heavyweight Championship

Kota Ibushi vs. Jeff Cobb.


More matches to be announced to the card later in the week I'm guessing.

Fignuts 06-01-2021 10:22 PM

I really want Takagi to have a run with the belt, but I think the smart move is to put it on Okada to regain some stability in the title picture and try to build it back up after all this tumultuous booking.

Mr. Nerfect 06-02-2021 05:30 AM

I don’t see a wrong outcome to that IWGP Title match. Okada is the guy that brings a bit of status quo back to the belt, but Shingo winning it would be an amazing lark and something out there and exciting too.

ClockShot 06-04-2021 03:46 PM

Missed you, Miho Abe. :kiss:

Now all we need it Pieter to come back and shake her ass and things will almost be back to normal in NJPW land.

Evil Vito 06-07-2021 09:02 AM

Well I'll be damned

SPOILER: show
Shingo has done it :eek:

Imagine going back to when the pandemic started and telling someone that in the span of a year you'd have EVIL, Ibushi, Ospreay, and Shingo all having IWGP title reigns

Jordan 06-07-2021 09:15 AM

They should try to keep him Champion for a long run. They gotta use the G1 wisely this year. I haven't watched NJPW pretty much since AEW started because the roster feels like a rerun constantly. I don't know who they can make at the G1 this year but I hope they make a new star. Gonna be tough with covid and travel restrictions. I can't imagine they will get the sellouts they are accustomed to.

Fignuts 06-07-2021 11:03 AM

Yeah, if they're not going with Okada then they at least have to give Shingo a good long run. And let's not have any 1st time champions for a while. Winning the iwgp title for the first time used to mean something but we've had 4 in the span of just over a year, and I feel that definitely takes away some of the prestige of the belt as well as that special feeling when someone does win it for the first time.

Mr. Nerfect 06-08-2021 06:48 AM

I’m pretty sure Gedo will let Shingo run with it for a while. He’s probably aware he crowned a few first-time champions.

Fignuts 06-08-2021 09:59 AM

Okada publicly shitting all over the title unification. I love it.

Evil Vito 06-08-2021 03:06 PM

Seeing this before every IWGP title defense was great

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So much for that when you blow it up and start a new title lineage

Mr. Nerfect 06-09-2021 05:08 PM

They should have just dropped the US Title. Not feeling this unification or even there being no IC belt myself. Keep Heavyweight, IC and NEVER Openweight as your Triple Crown. Don’t know if you need two tag divisions. Maybe keep the Jr. Heavyweight and NEVER Six-Man as something novel.

Jordan 06-09-2021 05:19 PM

I don't understand what has changed? Is this about The IWGP/IC unified title? Did they start a new linage?

Fignuts 06-09-2021 07:24 PM

When they created the new belt they started a new lineage with Ibushi as the first champion.

Because they've lost their fucking minds.

Fignuts 06-09-2021 07:25 PM

And then Ibushi lost it, and then Ospreay got hurt shortly after and had to vacate, so you know, off to a rollicking good start.

Jordan 06-17-2021 01:23 PM

Have you guys any knowledge on G1 for this year? I haven't seen anything about it yet.

ClockShot 06-17-2021 02:07 PM

Probably nothing until after the Olympics. Even then, with the way things are going there pandemic-wise those outside the country might be skeptical about coming back.

Mr. Nerfect 06-18-2021 07:20 AM

New Japan and WWE don’t need to be equal in a partnership for it to be beneficial to both companies. The WWE wants content, and New Japan bring a different flavor to Peacock and wherever else they end up. They also get fresh talent and a morale boost to their locker-room, while also blocking the far-distant #2 from using a potential relationship to sweeten their deals by pretending they are more artistic.

New Japan gets way, WAY more exposure than they ever would working with anyone else out there now, and also get access to talent who better fit their style. And huge name talent that would freshen up BOTH sides. I’m sorry, but even if you don’t think his “style” fits New Japan, Randy Orton hitting RKOs in the Tokyo Dome is a bigger deal than The Bucks working. It also allows guys like Cesaro, Dolph Ziggler and WALTER work over there and get a fresh coat of paint (if they need it).

Jordan 06-18-2021 07:39 AM

I haven't been watching NJPW but it does seem like they should skip G1 or at least replace the Tag League with a late season G1. I can't imagine a highly successful G1 without foreign workers. This is a great time to get some of the NJPW of America over in Japan.

Evil Vito 06-18-2021 08:09 AM

There's no way they're skipping the G1 entirely, but yeah without foreigners in there it's just not gonna be the same.

Without foreigners their next resort would be to see if they can work a deal with any of the other Japanese promotions to have a couple guys from outside of NJPW in the tourney as they used to.

Jordan 06-18-2021 08:14 AM

Working with other promotions in Japan would definitely be interesting! I'd probably have to get into that.

Jordan 06-18-2021 08:15 AM

Btw Tom Lawler retired from MMA last night. Hopefully he gets a shot in Japan proper.

Fignuts 06-18-2021 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5460104)
There's no way they're skipping the G1 entirely, but yeah without foreigners in there it's just not gonna be the same.

Without foreigners their next resort would be to see if they can work a deal with any of the other Japanese promotions to have a couple guys from outside of NJPW in the tourney as they used to.

AJPW please

Evil Vito 06-18-2021 09:59 AM

I'd be all for AJPW involvement.

It's not even like they can't do a G1 with the roster currently on the mainland, but we've seen so many of those matches a thousand times and while many of them will be good, you just gotta throw some outsiders in there to mix it up a bit.

Fignuts 06-22-2021 10:51 AM

Pieter is back.

That is all.

ClockShot 07-09-2021 07:07 PM

G1 is going to be a late summer/early fall thing again. Obviously due to the Olympics.


September 18th – Osaka Prefectural Gymnasium in Osaka, Japan
September 19th – Osaka Prefectural Gymnasium in Osaka
September 23rd – Ota Ward Gymnasium in Tokyo
September 24th – Ota Ward Gymnasium in Tokyo
September 26th – Kobe World Memorial Hall in Hyogo
September 29th – Korakuen Hall in Tokyo
September 30th – Korakuen Hall in Tokyo
October 1st – Hamamatsu Arena in Shizuoka
October 3rd – Aichi Prefectural Gymnasium in Aichi
October 4th – Korakuen Hall in Tokyo
October 7th – Hiroshima Sun Plaza Hall in Hiroshima
October 8th – Kochi Prefectural Gymnasium in Kochi
October 9th – Osaka Prefectural Gymnasium in Osaka
October 12th – Xebio Arena Sendai in Miyagi
October 13th -t Xebio Arena Sendai in Miyagi
October 14th – Yamagata City Sports Center in Yamagata
October 18th – Yokohama Budokan in Yokohama
October 20th – Ryogoku Sumo Hall in Tokyo
October 21st – Ryogoku Sumo Hall in Tokyo

Evil Vito 07-13-2021 11:37 AM

Mainland Japan dealing with another COVID wave, only 18% of the country fully vaccinated and only a third of the country has had a single shot. It's possible that, like last year, you'll have your Jay Whites and Juice Robinsons doing a quarantine and coming in but there's not really any room for the G1 field to look any different aside from Ospreay being replaced by O-Khan and Yujiro maybe being heaved out.

Think I'm gonna struggle to care about it this year tbh.

Fignuts 07-13-2021 02:45 PM

Fucking call AJPW and Noah

Evil Vito 07-20-2021 04:19 PM

Jay White turned up on Impact, presumably will be working some dates with them along with NJPW US stuff. No idea when he'll be returning to mainland Japan but he's gonna at least have stuff to do stateside.

On the Impact tapings he also recruited the newest member of Bullet Club

SPOILER: show
Chris Bey

ClockShot 07-20-2021 04:36 PM

Would like to see him drop in on Dynamite soon if AEW-NJPW-Impact and work something out schedule/storyline wise.

ClockShot 07-22-2021 08:02 PM

As you probably know, Kota Ibushi has been out due to issues from his Covid shot.

He's now been diagnosed with aspiration pneumonia.

He's out for his tag matches for today, tomorrow, and Saturday. Honma is taking his place. World Title match at Wrestle GrandSlam is now up in the air.

https://www.njpw1972.com/100159

slik 07-23-2021 02:18 AM

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Evil Vito 08-16-2021 02:30 PM

Roppongi 3k have finally disbanded with SHO turning on YOH after starting 0-4 in the Super Junior Tag League

Fignuts 08-16-2021 04:25 PM

Good. They've done all they could as a team. SHO is one of my favorites too.

ClockShot 08-16-2021 06:53 PM

About damn time.

Emperor Smeat 09-04-2021 05:36 AM

Holy crap, next year's Wrestle Kingdom is going to be a 3-night event next year.

Jan 4th, Jan 5th, & Jan 8th with Jan 8th being part of NJPW's 50th anniversary celebrations next year.

Just got announced during tonight's Wrestle Grand Slam show at the MetLife Dome.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three Wrestle Kingdom 16 shows in 2022. 1.4 and 1.5 in Tokyo Dome, and 1.8 in Yokohama Arena. Mental.</p>&mdash; Super J-Cast (@thesuperjcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/thesuperjcast/status/1434087825763278850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jordan 09-04-2021 11:48 AM

I don't get it. Haven't watched NJPW for a long time going now but their roster is quite thin and full of rematches every show I read about. 3 "mega" shows in one week sounds like overkill without a lot of outside talent coming in. I wish them well but truly I've just got no interest in NJPW anymore.

Fignuts 09-04-2021 11:52 AM

They better get their covid situation under control by then.

Fignuts 09-04-2021 11:53 AM

Yeah they haven't had a good roster shake up in quite some time.

Emperor Smeat 09-04-2021 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5476262)
I don't get it. Haven't watched NJPW for a long time going now but their roster is quite thin and full of rematches every show I read about. 3 "mega" shows in one week sounds like overkill without a lot of outside talent coming in. I wish them well but truly I've just got no interest in NJPW anymore.

Its less about their roster being thin and more of it being too rigid with how its broken down for divisions. The pandemic exposed how inflexible it is once they started losing a bunch of people due to COVID and travel issues. That in turn screwed up Gedo's long-term style booking mentality and him rushing big pushes that mostly didn't pan out the way he wanted (ex. EVIL, Will Ospreay) or rushing his plans for the year that led to very deflated results (ex. Naito's double title reign, Ibushi's merged title reign).

Like they should have merged their tag divisions during this pandemic even if only for the short term and that would have solved issues people have had with it over the years. Mostly about the lack of star power it has and being spread too thinly over 2 divisions. WWE has the exact same problem with their main roster tag divisions over the years.

ClockShot 09-05-2021 07:19 AM

Your G1 31 Blocks.

A Block:

Kota Ibushi
Tetsuya Naito
Shingo Takagi
Zack Sabre Jr.
Toru Yano
Tomohiro Ishii
Yujiro Takahashi
Tanga Loa
KENTA
Great-O-Khan

B Block:

SANADA
Taichi
YOSHI-HASHI
Hirooki Goto
Jeff Cobb
EVIL
Tama Tonga
Chase Owens
Kazuchika Okada
Hiroshi Tanahashi

So along with the usual suspects, Chase Owens, G.o.D., and Khan got brought in to round it out.

Evil Vito 09-05-2021 11:35 AM

Wow, that looks like shit.

Fignuts 09-05-2021 11:59 AM

Awful. Should have struck a deal with Noah or ajpw instead of throwing a bunch of midcarders in there.

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2021 09:21 PM

Apparently NJPW's recent creative woes and issues isn't all Gedo's fault and instead Dick Togo shares a lot of the blame as well since he's been gaining a lot of influence backstage when it comes to creative ideas and plans according to Voices of Wrestling.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voices of Wrestling
The creation of the new "House Of Torture" sub-unit (EVIL, SHO, Yujiro Takahashi, Dick Togo) represents the latest example of the growing Dick Togo influence in New Japan.

The idea behind the unit (which was pitched by Togo) is to continue EVIL's long term push as a top star by surrounding him with an entourage, which would lead to an eventual split from Bullet Club and subsequent feud with Jay White (who would presumably go babyface). The obvious comparison point would be The Elite's internal war with the Tongan led Bullet Club a few years ago. For now, House Of Torture will team with other Bullet Club members. House Of Torture will have a heavy presence on the G1 Climax tour, with the goal of establishing the sub-unit as a "constant presence" for EVIL's matches.

HoT members have been directed to focus on character work, storytelling, and "heat". This will be a full-on heel cheating unit, with heavy emphasis on outside interference, in the same vein as EVIL's singles bout.

The Roppongi 3K split was debated internally. Gedo was initially opposed, citing among other issues, merchandise sales. Togo was in favor, as were SHO & YOH themselves, who are eager to work singles and had been pushing for a split for a long while. Once the decision was made, Togo pitched SHO for House Of Torture and was responsible for the booking of the turn angle and the layout of the singles match at Wrestle Grand Slam. SHO's matches moving forward will feature layouts similar to EVIL bouts, with a heavy emphasis on "heat". SHO is said to not be completely sold on his new character directives and unit alignment, but is happy with the opportunity for a singles push.

Togo is not winning all of his battles. Togo pitched a short term EVIL title reign, with EVIL defeating Shingo Takagi for the IWGP World title at Wrestle Grand Slam and then losing it back quickly, in order to establish HoT as an immediate main event force, but the idea was shot down by Gedo, who feels the title needs a long, stable reign after all of the quick changes earlier in the year. In addition, Shingo continues to butt heads with Togo on match layouts. Shingo was not happy with many of the ideas for his match vs EVIL at New Japan Cup. Shingo had similar issues with today's match, but perhaps due to having more pull as champion, was able to veto some of the spots.

Regarding the G1 lineups, nothing should've come as much of a surprise for those following the situation. The last remaining puzzle piece was Aaron Henare. There had been some hope Henare would be ready in time, but it was never considered likely and plans were made at least a month ago to proceed with the idea that he wouldn't be available. Using non-NJPW outside talent to fill out the field was fan fueled speculation and never something we heard discussed internally to any serious degree.


ClockShot 09-10-2021 06:06 PM

The only thing I got out of all that was that Gedo wants to keep the belt on Shingo for a while. Which I'm cool with.

Everything else just sounds like garbage.

I might just tune into the G1 and probably opt-out of NJPW World for a little while until things stabilize/improve.

Emperor Smeat 09-11-2021 06:45 PM

Will Ospreay currently teasing Buddy Murphy will be making his debut soon for NJPW and as the newest member of Ospreay's United Empire stable

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve been talking to a ʙᴜᴅᴅʏ of mine.<br>Invited him to Dallas September 25th &amp; 26th.<br><br>Think he would fit in great with the crew. <br><br>�� <a href="https://t.co/2dLQrHdJLr">https://t.co/2dLQrHdJLr</a></p>&mdash; ᵂⁱˡˡ ᴼˢᵖʳᵉᵃʸ • ウィル・オスプレイ (@WillOspreay) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay/status/1436672148450562048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 09-17-2021 06:00 PM

Buddy Murphy was just a Kenny Omega premier skin, so while I think he’s boring in the ring, New Japan will probably get more out of him than anybody. Hope they call him Matt Silva. Buddy Murphy was a terrible name.

Emperor Smeat 09-18-2021 04:34 AM

:eek: at the result of the first G1 Climax tournament match.

SPOILER: show
Yujiro Takahashi beat Kota Ibushi in a shock upset.

Match itself was really good and maybe Yujiro's best G1 match in a long while.

Also Yujiro brought the Bunny with him tonight and she's sticking around for the whole G1 tournament.

Emperor Smeat 09-18-2021 06:08 AM

Naito vs. Sabre Jr. was awesome and almost bit on it hitting a time limit draw with the way it went on.

Only downer was Naito might have suffered a legit serious knee injury during it.

SPOILER: show
Sabre Jr. hit a vicious looking double stomp square on Naito's knee and leg that looked legit painful based on Naito's reaction afterwards and him struggling to finish the match.

Emperor Smeat 09-18-2021 06:23 AM

Either Takagi owes Ishii money or both guys just said eff it and are trying to go for the stiffest hitting match in wrestling history.

Ishii basically beating the shit out of Takagi during their match so far.

Emperor Smeat 09-18-2021 06:42 AM

Think I need a smoke after that magnificent hoss war Ishii and Takagi had tonight.

Legit might have been a harder hitting stiff slugfest than WALTER vs. Dragunov was at NXT TakeOver 36 last month.

Jordan 09-18-2021 09:54 AM

I'll have to try and find Ishii & Takagi, thanks.

Was coming here to post about NJPW in the US. Seems like a complete flop right now. The attendance for the upcoming shows is going to be tragically bad. Crazy how the scene changed for NJPW without Kenny and The Bucks in the US.

I think if AEW really wanted to help out they'd be loaning more stars to the NJPW US Tour. It's really tough going without some big names. I know they have a lot of old guard Japanese guys in for the tour but Omega and The Bucks would probably make a big difference. At least be able to get the attendances from 200-400 to over a thousand perhaps.

The fucking HEAT of that NJPW show in California when Omega/Ibushi faced The Young Bucks. What a great show that was. It felt like a true rebirth for NJPW with possibilities of real major shows in the US. And of course MSG too. I was there. Didn't really feel like NJPW because of the huge ROH influence on the show.

Jordan 09-18-2021 09:55 AM

Oh and if Buddy Murphy joins NJPW that would be fantastic and the best possibly company for him. He's 100% an Omega influenced wrestler and if he can find and show an original character I think he could be a big hit for NJPW, particularly in Japan as opposed to the US tours.

DaveWadding 09-18-2021 01:57 PM

Shingo/Ishii match of the year every year

Mr. Nerfect 09-18-2021 04:48 PM

People shitting on this G1 before it happened when it looked great are going to end up eating their words. Not every match needs to be Shingo/Ishii so that Shingo/Ishii stands out. And you still get Shingo/Ishii.

Emperor Smeat 09-18-2021 06:10 PM

NJPW first two days of the G1 tournament usually being the strongest quality-wise is nothing new.

That's not what people have big issues with and instead its the field in general since its the weakest in years which means the show lineups for the rest of the tournament are going to be weaker than what you would traditionally expect for a G1, especially this year's B Block.


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