I dunno it's not like Vince would have ever turned Hogan heel. Dena is pretty much that kind of vanilla pandering douchey face.

I think if Hogan had stayed in WWF, Vince definitely would have turned him at some point.

Lol, Jim Cornette isn't homophobic. Joey Ryan is a twat.

EDIT: Sorry, I posted this before everyone else replied to you about it. You've been thoroughly corrected on the issue already.

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On the issue of Cornette: It's phenomenal how many people still think he was "wrong" about Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. I saw Corny do an interview with some guy recently and Cornette explained to the guy what he has said all along. Corny finishes the interview and the guy goes "Hmm, you have to be impressed by the brains of Jim Cornette. He not only reversed what he said about Owens and Zayn but also made it look like a win for him."

No, you douche -- Cornette has been saying those things about Owens & Zayn all along. It's the IWC that twists it into some sort of "Oh, he only likes 80's wrestling" or "Oh, he only likes guys with blonde mullets and ripped bodies" thing. It's a complete straw-man for guys like Owens, The Young Bucks, Joey Ryan, Jari and that douche interviewer to attack the guy for things he hasn't said and doesn't philosophically believe to make some sort of cheap point over the guy because you have nothing else.

Cornette: Kevin Steen is a good promo. To make it in the WWE he'll need to lose some weight -- not all his weight, but some -- gel his hair or something and get ring gear that doesn't make him look like fat yoga mom. Oh, and he's got to the stop insisting on putting women through tables.

*Steen loses some weight, gets personalized gear and gels his hair. Apparently stops refusing to do what's been set out for him. Stops putting women through tables.*

Steen: Look, Cornette! I made it! Haha!

All these guys consistently prove his point about them.

Owens even recently took to Twitter to brag about headlining the live event in Louisville as a dig at Cornette. I'll be honest -- there was a part of me that smiled a bit when reports came out that people starting leaving early during Owens' match. I like the guy as a performer, don't get me wrong, but there was a humble pie moment in it.

Hey, Owens still got paid and is still heading towards Mania with the IC Title on him. I'm sure he's more than happy. I'd just stop being preoccupied with an "old guy" who has always objectively ranked you as a worker very highly.

People just can't handle Cornette being right about things because he's such an asshole at the same time. He's entertaining as hell and hopefully his show will be better without the chore of a co-host. Heard she quit twitter.

It just dawned on me that the new day being geeks like they are Will have the Ninja Turtles in their entrance as a shameless tie in for the new movie like Terminator last year.

Sheamoose is in the movie. So using the movie to insult one of the stars of the movie probably would be nixed by Michael Bay.

Meh I bet they'd like the exposure

He also said that El Generico is a great worker, but he'll be more successful as a Top Babyface if he took his mask off and started talking.

Both Steen and Generico got successful because they did exactly what Cornette ultimately requested, but I guess it made more sense to them because it was said by someone who wasn't Cornette?

I'd almost argue that Cornette really wanted them to succeed, but they were in their own way, to an extent.

Looks like after i traveled to Brooklyn and going to travel to Dallas to see them NXT has finally booked a show in Massachusetts. They are coming to Lowell Mass in April. They've literally gone around the world before touring in their own backyard. So...odd.

To give a small counter, a lot of the hate Cornette has gotten in recent years is probably due to how badly he mishandled ROH and most of those same guys during the time he was in charge there.

Owens taking jabs at Cornette online is likely him remembering the bad stuff Cornette said about him and less about if Cornette ended up being right or not. Same for the Young Bucks and other wrestlers Cornette trashed over the years.

I think that's basically it. Triple H has more he can offer Owens and Zayn, so of course they're going to buddy up with more.

Owens and Cornette actually seem to have very similar personalities. I mean, I say that without knowing either one personally -- but they both seem the sort to say things quite directly and cause friction if things aren't going their way. Cornette rubbed Owens the wrong way and Owens rubbed Cornette the wrong way. If they weren't in wrestling, they'd probably love each other.

Have you seen the shoot where Cornette explains what went down with ROH. Fascinating stuff. Basically, his plan was to turn it in something like what NXT became under Triple H. They'd have a fixed "Honor Arena" and they could do their own lighting and production. Cornette also wasn't technically the booker. He worked closely with Delirious, but he became a scapegoat for ROH fans. This is where the "Cornette's an old out of touch man" stuff came from. Then you listen to his ideas and you're like "Wow, that would have actually been really cool if they would have just done Cornette's actual idea."

And as Cornette says, Delirious put the World Title on Kevin Steen, even if Cornette and Delirious were like "Dude, we need you to do this" and he didn't do it. You know -- he didn't do his job.

The Young Bucks can be a lot of fun, but everything Cornette seems to be say about them is "Nice kids, egos the size of mountains, do too many superkicks, they bury their own shit and don't even realize it."

In defense of guys like The Young Bucks and Joey Ryan: I can understand their desire to stand out. They want to make a name for themselves out of WWE, so they do shit that makes people click on that YouTube video. For them that's the pay-off, and I guess that's their right.

I appreciate more the guys you know can do more but aren't insecure enough to need to "get all their shit in." There's a "Young Bucks Principle" with getting noticed -- just because these guys do all that stupid shit, doesn't mean they can't work without it. The same goes in reverse, often for WWE guys -- just because you don't see them do fucking moonsaults and springboard piledrivers doesn't mean they can't do them. Remember that the next time you see Heath Slater BABBBBAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!

For full disclosure: I think the WWE will eventually sign The Young Bucks and they'll be super-over in that Hardy Boyz kind of way.

Never saw the shoot video he did but remember a bit about him wanting to make some drastic changes to ROH.

Him constantly rubbing people the wrong way and his hot-headed reputation ended up killing whatever goodwill he had for those plans. Same for his views on certain wrestlers even if they were actually right in the end.

By the way I hear it told, a basic general lack of caring and financial support from the Sinclair offices is what fucked up those plans.

Still hoping that Hulk Hogan takes some of his Gawker money and starts up the Hulk Wrestling Federation to step to Vince. Hogan calls up Kevin Sullivan, Jim Cornette and Dutch Mantel to book the shows -- either together or in sort of shifts. Maybe Cornette gets the tag teams, Mantel gets the women and Sullivan gets the singles guys? Something like that.

I'd cum watching the first episode.

Listened to a legal expert on the PWTorch podcasting system and he seems to think he could lose on appeal or the amount could drastically come down.

The last time somebody won alot of money and threw it into a wrestling company....

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Like, if I'm Hogan, I've already rung up Bobby Roode and told him not to sign with the WWE right away. I'd also have gotten my people in touch with CM Punk's people and been like "Hey man, are you really going to fight? Don't you, your wife and your best friend want a job? I've got a few million to splurge on this baby. I mainly want you to come out to whatever theme music you want and talk shit about how the WWE ruined your love for wrestling but these people brought it back, yadda, yadda...cool, we tape Tuesdays."

I'd have also left similar voicemails for Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio, Goldberg and Dave Bautista. And I'd have reached out to Konnan about him possibly leaving AAA and bringing some trusted luchadors over to pad out my show and whether or not he'd mind being paid like $150,000 a year to be a talent scout and advocate for the product. Just keep the lucha on our show fresh, dawg. We want to build a guy for Rey at our big show, so let me know who it's going to be and we won't beat him for a year.

Hey, JR wanna do commentary? Would you rather work with Cornette or would you like us to get someone younger, like Striker or Josh Barnett? I'm sure New Japan and us can work something out. I'll send them Angle for a big show and we'll showcase Okada over here for them. We'll have them fight for the IWGP on our big show actually. What's another main event going to hurt?

I think you can do all of that for...$18 million, brother. Maybe you even take over Vince's lead and manage to get some TV production company to jump in and you can leave them with even more of the costs down the line, slowly, slowly pulling your own money out and disappearing off into the sunset -- their first Hall of Fame inductee and a man forever associated with a new dawn in professional wrestling.

That's almost exactly what I had in mind. But with wrestlers.

Oh, it's probably going to get appealed or reduced, no doubt. And as I've said elsewhere, Hogan would probably use it only to get leverage back with Vince and signed to some sort of legends deal again, where he gets paid for basically not working anywhere else.

But if I am Hogan, and I wanted to start my own vanity project to get some of my rep back (and a lot of the negative Hogan stuff has been swept under the rug since the trial began), then doing something for the industry that made me (and that I helped make) would seem like an obvious option. He'd probably get Bischoff and The Nasty Boys to help him run it though.

I've listened to more interview featuring Jim Cornette than just about anyone else in sports entertainment (Nash might have him beat), and I dont think I've ever heard anything he said where I sat back and went "Jim made a good point". He's the definition of bitter old man who cant accept that he couldnt book and make money in today's day and age if his life depended on it. He's sad really.

Hogan was probably near flat broke like Flair I bet he owes people almost as much as he got

Fuck Nick, if you think so little of him why did you waste so much time listening to him?

He said more interview. He just listens to the same one over and over again.

Cornette has never booked a successful period of wrestling

1989-90 WCW was a mess
Smokey Mountain failed
WWF 1995-1997 was the worst time in the promotion
TNA was a failure
ROH was a mess, despite Corny's claim (like he does with every other time he's bombed) that it wasn't his fault.

What's does he hang his hat on? OVW?

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I wish I could rep this more than once.

Was this his biggest dick waving or was the WCW Buyout speech/episode bigger? This probably seemed alot more subtle back then since the audience didn't really know he was the owner

I personally love Cornette.... the guy has a strong personality and no filter between his brain and mouth.... If I were starting a pro wrestling company tomorrow, he would be the first person I would call....

I just never get tired of this. It's got so much subtext for Vince's character. I love it, probably my favorite thing WWE ever produced. The graveled Vince voice "BABAY BABAY BABAYYYY WATCH'EM DROP"! He's fucking awesome.

It also feels like he's like "Dad are you watching! I'm doing it Dad!"

I feel like this should be a TV Show. Papa and Boogey. Just these two guys, in full regalia, doing random things week after week. This should be on the WWE Network. And I fully expect to be made producer of this, so I can get fat paid for the idea.

I don't anymore

I listened to a lot of his stuff and formed my opinion.

And if you let him book or contribute creatively, you would be out of business.

See guys, CyNick is right sometimes.

But by the sounds of it you listened to more of him than anyone else. How could it take you so long to realize he was awful? Sounds like you are spending your time like some weird basement dwelling virgin with no job. I'm just saying.

Yeah, WWE would be out of business in a week if Cornette was booking. In all the fantasy booking I've heard him talk about he hasn't mentioned ONE fart gimmick. Ridiculous! Him and his old school, stuck-in-the-past, fart-hating booking.

I think Cornette would be good on a very progressive booking team. He understands the basics of it, but he's a bit stuck in the past. Take the principles, apply it to more modern styles.

Which means I would never hire him as a head booker.

Can the defenders of the 3 times fired from a creative role in his last three company's please refer me to a time in which a company was thriving whilst he had a part to play in creative?

No

Just marry me already becky lynch. you know we were meant to be.

Now i get why Noids fantasy booking is so shitty, he's a cornette mark

Gosh Matthew you always add so much to the forums with your lovely comments.

TNA managed to find a good investor for their current money woes but like every past instance, Dixie is the biggest obstacle in getting a deal done.

WWE have sent me three separate e-mails in the past week asking me to sign back up to the Network.

When they did this in February they went as far as to give me a free month (which I then cancelled again before the auto-renew date). I imagine they'll start handing out freebies again after Mania.

It's a great service but my interest in giving WWE any of my money right now is less than zero.

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According to the IWC he was in charge of all the money drawing elements of the Attitude Era and none of the crap stuff.

It's almost as if he had someone above him that approved the good ideas and shitcanned the bad ones.

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No, you're thinking of what Russo claims. You fucking moron.

I want to watch this because of Becky, but I am 80% sure this is the guy who listened to Cornette say "The sky is blue" and then went "Did you hear Cornette change his story from the sky is red?" Ugh.

How the hell does Becky Lynch manage to be so hot and so adorable at the same time? Shouldn't be physically possible. The more I see of her the more I begin to question whether she's real, or if she's just a figment of my imagination that all of you seem to be capable of seeing as well.

Tazz Dan > Joan Lunden

Negative. Russo takes credit for everything - good and bad. I don't think he knows the difference between which things were good and which were bad. That's HIS problem.

Ask your buddy Meltz about Cornette's role.

Anyone?

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I'm awaiting, with baited breath, for the moment he pitches the NWA invasion of Hulk Hogan's new promotion.

I negative your negative.

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Snoop Dog going into the Hall of Fame

He was in creative when WWE started to turn the corner against WCW, eventually overtaking them.

He also created the Hell in a Cell, but whatever -- no bigs.

Not going to lie, I would be very keen to see him accompany Sasha to the ring for the Triple Threat. Ric Flair going batshit crazy and throwing his jacket at Snoop might actually save the entire show for me.

Sasha Banks emerges with him from a smoke-filled car.

Referencing things that happened 19 years ago - that's definitely the way to go when defending someone accused of being out of touch and outdated.

This would require Becky Lynch to have someone and knowing the WWE it would probably be Hornswoggle. Or Finn Balor playing her river dancing cousin whilst Michael Cole bangs on about how "The Demon Finn Balor just loves to have fun" and JBL shouts "YOU STILL GOT IT! YOU STILL GOT IT!"

On the issue of Cornette: You make it sound like good wrestling needs to be successful anyway, yet you're a fan of Lucha Underground? They seem to have a few seasons mapped out, but don't tell me they're *thriving* with their 217,000 viewers a week, or whatever they get. It's still got 98% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Jari, don't become a Cynick shadow where you can't separate quality from success.

That's when he fucking worked for the company! That's like asking when the last great Shawn Michaels match was, someone tells you it was 2010 and you're like "six years ago, right, what a hack". Get real, banana peel.

Shit. You know they are going to do the Becky Lynch/Hornswoggle thing, don't you?

If Shawn Michaels had worked for (and been fired by) multiple companies since 2010 then yeah that would be right...

Yes I am a fan of Lucha Underground, a critically acclaimed TV show, that your hero has referred to as the worst thing to ever happen to the business or words to that affect, in it's infancy which I firmly believe will go on to do better and bigger things if they can score the right kind of deal with regards to how the product is broadcast.

If you're going around telling me that someone is a creative genius without being able to point out any actual sign of genius (did he create the Hell in a Cell or is that just his word cause, you know, people in the wrestling business are notoriously honest? I also could have sworn I remember HBK saying he had seen a cage match with a ceiling and he proposed that idea to Vince)

UK's Rev Pro promotion joining Evolve and Progress Wrestling in hosting qualifiers for WWE's upcoming cruiserweight tournament.

Tournament itself debuts mid-July although full results will be known by late June due to tapings.

I haven't watched Lucha Underground, but honestly if you think about it, main stream over the years, people seem to really identify with luchadores. Hopefull they can make some moves.

You guys not quoting posts made me actually look up wtf Snoop Dogg had to do with WWE Creative and HIAC :fu:

Lest we forget this.....
 

BALLGAME MAGGEL!

Snoop Dogg while probably not a creator of HIAC I could see being a huge advocate for its merits.

YOU STILL GOT IT! YOU STILL GOT IT! YOU STILL GOT IT!

Jari. You literally asked for "a time in which a company was thriving whilst he was part of creative" and got an example only to claim "Nah. Too long ago." Between that and the "homophobic rant" comment it seems pretty obvious you're willing to bend truths and skew things to exactly where you want them in order to justify hating Cornette.

The more I read Reigns' various comments about people booing him the more I think he needs to have a nice long chat with Cena about how to handle the situation. Cena's reached the point where half of the audience is booing him actually becomes part of his act, and he plays along with it and it gets to the point where the half of the crowd chanting "Cena Sucks" are doing so with a smile on their face.

Cena is good enough to roll with the punches, Reigns to this point isn't. He sticks to the script and him just carrying on and acting as though the bad reactions aren't there just makes him look more uncomfortable in his role and entirely un-organic.

And I have to say, I want a reason to cheer Reigns. In fact I want reasons to cheer all the faces and boo all of the heels.

But at this point I think so many of the faces being booed isn't the crowd trying to be edgy as much as it is that most of the faces are written like complete assholes.

Reigns is also WAY out of his depth. Cena was a veteran when this started happening to him and had been on top for quite some time.

That GIF made me chuckle.

And why crowds warm up to people like New Day AFTER they went full heel. They sucked ass as a face stable because that gimmick was not going to work as a face gimmick in this day and age; it reeked of being hokey and disingenuous. Playing up said hokiness and disingenuous... ness is what made them effective heels, which, in turn made them popular because it gave them personality people could get behind.

I mean the feud in ROH between Dalton Castle and Silas Young; the face and the heel dynamic there would have been totally the other way not even 15 years ago. If those two were in WWE, Vince would have still likely tried to make Dalton the heel, and only begrudgingly altered this plan when it was clearly not working because the crowds aren't instantly homophobic anymore.

Roman Reigns post Wrestlemania tron and music leaked.

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Having had the chance to sleep on it these are my feelings about Monday Night Raw

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In better news I went from under 9,000 in rep to over 12,000 in one sitting of Raw.

I got more over than Roman Reigns last night!

I don't know who had the bright idea "let's send the Wyatts to the New York Stock Exchange to ring the bell" this morning but it's the dumbest dann thing ever

Makes perfect sense to me. A creepy, inhumane cult looking to destroy everything in its path. And the Wyatt Family.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Follow the Buzzards," does it not?

I really hope they took the subway to get there. NYC subways are packed beyond measure during the morning commute. Can only imagine what it'd be like to see the fucking Wyatt Family in full gear pack themselves in.

Dammit, after Wyatts/NYSE thing I now I want Raven in WCW style vignettes where it turns out Bray Wyatt is just a spoiled rich kid whose put-upon dad IRS pays for his commune, followers, and "hippy ways" at the behest of his mother who just wants her son to be happy.

which would actually be a clever storyline, all things considered. Especially if his followers didn't realize it.

And if it were someone to reveal it, it could spark something amazing. As goofy as the Raven Bueller bits were, I think it could work if played straight.

Too bad his dad couldn't make it put it to the real tax cheats!