Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984387)

idk.. I would give them more slack if they weren't owned/funded by a company with virtually limitless resources. Not harping on them for releasing maps that may or may not be buggy, as testing only does so much. But in general, I feel things could have been speedier, or they could have at least issued some sort of apology to their customers for taking so long with fixing glitches that were literally ruining the game experience for a while.


Exactly my point, its not like they dont have the resources to test or fix whats found. The care package glitch really ruined games for the longest while and there was really no way to stop it as even killing the person doing it didnt stop the non-ending onslaught.

While the glitches didn't break the game, they made it completely lack fun for several weeks, nearing a month or better, while people ran rampant getting infinite care packages (and I would argue that that WAS a game-breaking glitch). The game went from "Hey that emblem is cool, how did you get it?" to "I bet you boosted to get that emblem", as well as countless people nuke boosting in FFA, or riot shield boosting all the time. Hell, I stopped playing FFA, which was one of my favorite gametypes, because every other game had nuke boosters in it. And that CAN be prevented by Infinity Ward.

Just want to point out that if you look at the top of the leaderboards in the game you wont see any skilled players there at all.

May not seem like a huge deal to you, but companies CAN hotfix things pretty quickly, and a company like Infinity Ward should have had no problems allocating resources to fixing the problems in the game. That said, I am glad they fixed the game at least. I think they did it just in time to prevent a mass exodus away from their game, but it didn't really scream "We care about our players".

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Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2984381)

I am just saying they are in the game and remain in the game, why they arent fixed is what bothers me.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984407)

And yes, the speed thing was a glitch. Marathon/Lightweight/Care Package WAS glitched. The developers even admitted it was glitched.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2984381)

And they arent?

Charging a subscription for a game that we already have to pay another fee to play anyway isnt evil?

And what do/would we get by paying this user fee? a few maps once a year? which are already overpriced as is?

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2984421)

How was it a glitch exactly? It's all stuff in the game working as it should. I understand they nerfed Lightweight, which I personally don't think was necessary, but how is it a glitch?

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2984400)

How do you blame a company for hacks? If someone posts some weird HTML on here, and it messes things up a bit, IE Hasney or Xero, do you get mad at Trips?

Nope, but I do expect Trips to fix it in a timely...well you know what I fucking mean.


Javelindom is loooooong gone. And I haven't seen anything about CP glitching since the last patch.

Not saying its still around, but it was for far too long.


This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen you post. No it isn't fucking evil. Rape is evil. Genocide is evil. Monthly game subscriptions, not so much. And again, you're getting mad about something that COULD happen.

Thinking I compared subscription fees to rape and genocide isnt stupid?


They had an internal beta. and of course they have playtesters. That's the fucking purpose of playtesters. Playtesters don't sit around and go through the game leisurely, they try to break it, make it fuck up, etc.. That's how bugs are found. And dude, we're not talking some 8 bit sidescroller here. It's a huge, intricate game, and they're only human. Stuff will slip through the cracks.


Yes, things should slip through the cracks, as it makes since that they should in a game this large but how did they miss such simple things as the javelin glitch/care package glitch/care package run glitch


lol it's the truth buddy. The only glitcher I ever saw was using Javelindom, and I saw him doing it, and never got killed by it. I never noticed the care package glitch. Not saying it didn't happen to me, but I didn't notice it (and I'd assume I would've, considering how OMGWTF GAMEBREAKING it was). The speed thing, nope, unless you're talking about M/L/C, which is not a glitch at all.

Either you are lucky, dont play the game or didnt notice what was going on because for about 2 weeks straight maybe 1 game out of 20 didnt have people using the care package glitch.

M/L/C + Care Package

Before the patch for the fix, holding a CP smoke can in your hand made you run approx 2.33x normal speed.


Good math. Your point? "Breaking news: Company tries to make money"


You are not getting it are you, charging that much money for almost nothing and horrible customer service is just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 2984405)

Every single game has glitches and possible hacks. The more popular a game is, the more are going to pop up, as there are more people looking for them. And this is the most popular game ever.

I don't really fault IW for this, as playtesting, no matter how many people are on the job, is never 100% foolproof.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984407)

Also, the first day the CP glitch became well-known, it was literally all I saw in I'd guess 80% of the games I played, regardless of gametype.

I watched countless people do it on my own team, and saw no end to it from the other teams. Over. And over. And over. And over.

A friend and I played for a few hours one day. We'd back out after the game was over, if CP glitching was going on. Next game we would join, would have it. If we found a game that didn't have it going on, we'd play one.. give it a game or two, and someone would be doing it again. THAT, is how bad it got. This was 'about' the time I started getting into hardcore too, and while it wasn't nearly as bad, I'd say about 1 out of every 3 hardcore games I went into had CP glitching going on.


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And yes, the speed thing was a glitch. Marathon/Lightweight/Care Package WAS glitched. The developers even admitted it was glitched.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2984421)

How was it a glitch exactly? It's all stuff in the game working as it should. I understand they nerfed Lightweight, which I personally don't think was necessary, but how is it a glitch?

Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 2984459)

This made me chuckle. Especially since what your going crazy about is just a rumor.

Originally Posted by alvarado52 (Post 2984463)

robble robble robble...you people complain, but you know youll buy the f'ing maps, so how about you STOP complaining or DONT download 'em? The price is abit steep for the DLC standard, but whatchagonnado!?

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984502)

You're paying for the further development of content.

You bought WoW, pay a monthly subscription, AND I bet you bought one or more expansions.

You paid for the game once.. why do you keep paying for it?

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984503)

It's worth noting that even though IW has all that money, it's not free to run game servers 24/7 like that. They have to maintain somehow.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984503)

It's worth noting that even though IW has all that money, it's not free to run game servers 24/7 like that. They have to maintain somehow.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984507)

Oh, well that is not what I was talking about then. I didn't even own the game that long ago.

You say exploit, I say glitch. It was a glitch in the code, that people exploited like crazy. How's that? ;)

Originally Posted by Hasney (Post 2984523)

It's not, but their current system barely uses as much resources as a moderatly popular website.

A matchmaking server (which is even ran/owned by MS on Live) and then somewhere to stick XP/Prestiege.

As for the glitches, the amount of time to fix does smack of laze/greed. They already got your money and know they can gouge some more out of you too so why bother with it? People shouldn't bitch so hard if they're going to continue playing though, completley destroys their argument.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984513)

They also charge more for that content in store, and charge a monthly fee to help maintain the costs of running those servers and for patching the game.

That's what I'm getting at. How can you justify paying a monthly fee (you still ARE paying a monthly fee, regardless of if you don't do it constantly), but not just SLIGHTLY more (ONCE, no less, possibly twice if more content is released later) for some content and to help with the cost of maintaining such a game.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 2984529)

Wasn't aware of the hosting thing.

Basically. The reason there's no point in bitching, is because 5 maps are easily worth $15. To refuse to buy it just cause they tacked on a couple extra bucks is nitpicking. You're going to play the game regardless, and depriving yourself of more content that could possibly refresh the game for you, just because they charged a few bucks more than it was worth... that's just dumb.

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 2984562)

I says before I says again: It's the fucking community. IW can only do so much, and they're responses to issues were 'post-haste' compared to other teams. At some point you need to rally against the assholes ruining your experience. No company wants their game to be shredded.

Yes, I know they should have had a beta. Yes, Activision was arrogant in that regard. But still, cut them some slack. MW2 is still a well put together game. I'm being extra civil this instant, considering my current poison of the genre, but there are degrees.

And quit being pussies about spending 15$ on a bunch of maps. Activision charged nearly 10$ for a song pack on DJ Hero. They're doing this because gamers are shilling for other bullshit they pulled. So again, hollar at your constituents.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel

Nope, but I do expect Trips to fix it in a timely...well you know what I fucking mean.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2984898)

Well you better go yell at Trips, because it hasn't been fixed. What's a timely manner? The major glitches have all been patched within a week or two, and it would've been quicker if not the need for Microsoft certification.

Cant argue with you there.


We're arguing semantics here, because obviously for you a couple of weeks is an eternity. I don't feel the same.

Almost a month of non-stop cheating does frustrate a person when they just want to play and have fun.


Well, you called it evil, chief. That's a retarded choice of words, is the point I was trying to make. Clearly that flew over your head.

and you comparing it to rape and genocide is not retarded?


Why do you assume it's simple? I'm not gonna pretend I know anything about coding a game, but I don't think it's that easy. It's not like there's some line of code that says "make care package=infinite" that they just forgot to take out.

I mean the actions to do the glitches are quite simple, if people were trying to break the game, they would or should be messing around with stuff like that.

Also forgot to mention the mounted gun/One man army/riot shield glitch I encounted it on wasteland and while flanking works its annoying as fuck when your teammates are lemmings.

To do the glitch, have the riot shield out, use one man army to change to the class with the riot, grab the mounted gun, when you change classes you are using the mounted gun AND the riot shield making you nigh invincible except from behind.

Not a terribly bad cheat, but one that should likely have been found.

Then I guess I'm the luckiest person to ever play the game, because I didn't notice it. The care package running, yes I saw that. I may have been knifed by it a few times, but certainly not to the point where I was throwing my controller or anything.

Then yes you were as Requiem and myself have both stated it was difficult to find a match where this wasnt going on for about 3-4 weeks.


Oh fuck off with your hyperbole. It's not "almost nothing", it's 5 maps. If it was $10, most people would be fine with it. But an extra $5, and Activison is Satan incarnate.

They are charging for maps they already made, so the production cost of 2/5ths of it is negligible.

Originally Posted by Miotch (Post 2985017)

Heaven fucking forbid a company try to maximize their profits. $15 isn't fuck all anyways. Just don't go to the bar one night you normally would, and you could buy the map pack for yourself AND a friend or two.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel

and you comparing it to rape and genocide is not retarded?

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2985123)

This seems to have flown so far over your head that I feel like you're just putting me on at this point. I never thought you were comparing subscription fees to rape and genocide. I was using those things, which are truly evil, to show just how idiotic your use of the word evil to describe charging a monthly fee is. Do I need to draw you a diagram of this?


The old maps still need to be recoded to put into the new game. Not like they just copy and paste the code off the MW1 disc. Why would you talk about production cost when you have no idea what it costs/the work that goes into one of these packs?

You seem to have the idea that making a game/content is easy and quick. Again, not pretending to be an expert on coding/making games, but I know it's a pretty complicated thing. Takes time and money. This has gone from a discussion of glitches to including the DLC too. I do not debate that the DLC is slightly overpriced. And I mean slightly. The fact that it's just slightly overpriced is why I don't care. I'd gladly pay $10 for it, so an extra $5, what I might spend on a single drink at a bar, is not a big deal. People are just going crazy because it's turned into "EVIL ACTIVISION RAPING OUR WALLETS". Few seem to care that it will be fun playing these new maps. $15 isn't much to pay for that, to me at least.

Regarding glitches, I understand frustration if you're encountering them constantly. I'm seemingly lucky enough to not have this, and I play the damn thing nearly every day. But castigating the company for taking too long (re-a couple of weeks) to fix them, and berating them that game code isn't absolutely flawless in the first place is asinine. Blame the community of 12 year olds and retards who get off on trying to spoil the game for others. Like Fig said, every game has glitches. The more complicated and ambitious games are, the more you'll see them, because it's impossible to check every single thing you can do in any game. Even if there weren't glitches, people will still find something to bitch about (IE the constant "Gun X/Perk X is so overpowered!!!!11!" that you already see on boards).

I'm not saying glitches aren't annoying, but fuck's sake, acting like the company that made it have somehow completely failed because it's not perfect is extremely stupid.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2985257)

You said that I compared subscription costs to rape/genocide, I didnt.
Now ill make it clear, rape/genocide is the most evil heinous crime one can commit, its the extremity. I view subscription cost doubling as only slightly evil. So leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2985283)

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. You are being purposefully dense right now. Here is what I wrote:

Show me in there where I said you were saying that monthly fees are the same as rape or genocide. I said these 2 things are evil, this thing is not. I was doing that because you obviously have no conception of the word evil, and I wanted to give you a comparison of what it ACTUALLY MEANS.

Ok, lets just leave it. I think they are being assholes (not evil)


I don't know, Icebox. I readily admit to having no idea. The difference is I'm erring on the side of caution and thinking it's probably more difficult, while you seem to be taking the side that you can just throw it up there in no time.

I also admit to having no idea, but I agree with you in the fact that the games take months if not years to make and things do fall through the cracks. I just wish the process of pluggnig the crack was a bit faster. I really enjoy the game and when people cheat it really ruins it.


There's nothing I can say to this. I don't debate that it can kill fun. But, I never saw it. Lucky, I guess. The reason it took a month, however, is that they patched it once, then people found another way to do it.

Yeah, agreed here. Thing is the way they did it was very similar to the first time, which bugs me that they didn't have someone test it to see if it could be broken again and if someone did test it, then why the hell did it still get through.


So what's IW supposed to do about that?

Nothing, because I know they cant do nothing about the wait time.


Why even bring Xbox Live into this? What's Activision supposed to do about Microsoft charging a fee?

Customer service comparison for paying a fee for something.


What are you talking about here? If you mean the DLC, again, no one's making you buy it.

I am talking about everything I spend money on.

Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 2985316)

Also not so sure what all the fuss about the addition of two old maps from COD 4 is all about. I remember seeing on a lot of forums how people wanted some maps from COD 4 brought into MW2. I think it was highly fan appreciative of them to add Crash and Overgrown, when they could've of easily just went with the three new maps for 15 bucks.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2985041)

I dont go to the bar, because they overprice and water down their drinks.

Originally Posted by Miotch (Post 2985442)

OK then buy the generic tampons next month you fucking crybaby woman.

Originally Posted by Miotch (Post 2985442)

OK then buy the generic tampons next month you fucking crybaby woman.

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 2985451)

Go to a different bar? Buy bottles instead of draft?

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2985460)

If they do subscription, I will just find another game to play (Likely Halo or something)

Originally Posted by moonface (Post 2986267)

Has anyone done the special oops? Wow are they hard.

Originally Posted by G (Post 2986383)

Originally Posted by alvarado52 (Post 2986375)

everyone bitching about the price of the maps, go to kmart, use this coupon, and pick up 1600 points for $10 and stop bitching.

Originally Posted by moonface (Post 2987355)

it's hard enough on the reguler level let alone vet ha.


Also fallen angel are you for real lol @ this thread.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2985459)

I re-use a cloth rag, no point in wasting money.



Every bar is overpriced, seriously its $38 for a 24 of beer. Which is about $1.60 per beer, which goes for $4-5.

Then they expect a tip, which I oblige because they dont set the price, but $5-6 for a $1.50 beer is a bit much.

$3-4 I would not mind.

Originally Posted by AssMan (Post 2987648)

What the fuck, you can only use it in New York City, dick

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2993377)

Downpour is awful. Not even a huge fan of Overgrown. Wish Bog or Vacant would come back.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 2993389)

Bog I found annoying at times to be honest, there is nothing you can continually do and do good, medium range you will get screwed by snipers, short you will get killed by medium, the map is a clusterfuck whenever I played it.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 2993413)

I tend to prefer maps that favour wide open combat, and bog was perfect for that. Loved sniping on it, or flanking all around and getting behind the other team.

Originally Posted by Shaggy (Post 2994214)

Does anyone know if you can reset your stats back to 0?

My wifes nephew comes over alot and apparently while I have been at work he has been on playing my Modern Warfare 2 game online. Now Im one of those people who hates it when people get achievements for me. If its my file then I want to be the one who gets the shit. Well turns out that he has raised me like 10 levels and knocked a bunch of awards out for me and im a little pissed.

Is there no way to reset this?