I demand Ultimate Black Panther to be a white guy.

You dislike the X-Men Legends/Ultimate Alliance games? They're the best pure Marvel games of the last 6 years.

Haven't played Ultimate Alliance games (yet), but the X-Men Legends games are amazing.

Taking elements of both universes is no excuse to dislike them. :rant:

Oh yeah of course, though there have been various elements from each. Nothing major, but for example that Symbiote invasion in Avengers shortly after Civil War. The symbiotes were straight out of the Ultimate universe, not literally, but I mean they were done by the same artist.

Just love picking out small details like that where it's like 'Oh cool, those are the symbiotes from the ultimate comics'.

Gee, thanks.

KI's Glacius?

White Tiger.

As close as Marvel'll get to Black Panther being white.

And even then, I think the man behind the mask was black, can't remember.

All of the people who called themselves White Tiger have been minorities with special abilities.

Yeah, I remember one being Hispanic for sure.

Nah, but I want the man behind the mask to be white, period.

If there's a strong enough case for a white Black Panther I'm all for it.

But not 'just because', or to 'get back' at an earlier racial swap with a character.

Clearly I was only joking, but what was that strong enough case for a black Nick Fury again?

Coz Sam Jackson is cooler than David Hasselhoff.

IMO.

Yes, cause clearly they based the original Nick Fury on David Hasselhoff.

Although, I didn't mean my comment literally.

Sam motherfucking Jackson. We discussed this.

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Actually, the Hoff looked fucking badass in that film. Shame it sucked though.

Yeah, I agree. Hasselhoff looked awesome.

And we didn't get to see his saggy tits, too.

Dunno, this new Nick Fury is too ghetto for me.

I found them extremely boring.

Not doing yourself favors, 6x.

Wow. Ya know they're 4plyr, right?

And why is that? You're gonna accuse me of racism now or something?

I hated playing those game with more than two players. With three or four, you just had too many people running in different directions and cocking up the camera angle and getting in each others way etc.

Playing those games is extremely boring because no matter what you do it's impossible to die, and there is also no variety or challenge. Nothing is at stake. At least that's what I experienced while playing Ultimate Alliance 2 at a friend's house.
After 5 minutes it just descends into button mashing while you talk about something else. There was no challenge, and barely anything that required co-operative play or thinking.
Yet, we keep going. If being a superhero is that boring, fuck that.

Just felt like the entire attraction was unlocking characters and such. Sort of like "Marvel porn", in which the entire point of the game is being different characters and watching cut scenes. I guess that Civil War adaptation was cool, but I could youtube it. The gameplay almost becomes secondary and laborious in getting to "the goodies."
Maybe different combos is exciting? I didn't really care since you're going to kill everyone in the room and move onto the next room full of easy enemies regardless of what moves you do.

Really kind of hated it. If I wanted to play such a linear button mashing experience, I would fire up X-Men Arcade from 1992. That's the good stuff.

Also, they may very well be the best Marvel games of the past 6 years, but I hardly think that means they're very good. Unfortunately Marvel games are usually pretty bad, and 6 years is hardly anything. 2004? That seems like yesterday when it comes to Marvel games.

I agreed with Funky that I'd give Part 1 a try though. He promised me that it wasn't nearly as boring.

The gameplay doesn't really fit superheroes tbh. Felt really restricting and confined, given what the characters are capable of.

Superhero games should take full advantage of the destructive capabilities of the characters. I never felt like I was playing as a really powerful character in those games. Moon Knight feels the same Thor.

Prototype and Hulk: Ultimate destruction are examples of games that got it right.

Even X-Men arcade got it right since a character like Nightcrawler is fast as shit with a weak special, but Colossus is slow, but has the beefiest special of all time.

So you make sure Nightcrawler can lay the smack down in hand to hand, and move Colossus in as the big gun. Conserve all specials for the boss.

That's the way I want to play co-op. I want to have a role. I never encountered any stages in those games were Player 1 had to hold the fort or something, while Player 2 had to do ____, and Player 3 did _____, and stuff like that.

I highly agree with Fignuts in that certain characters should have their different strenghts and weaknesses.
If you're on a team, there should be an equal need for a character like Spidey just as much as one like Hulk. But not the same.

You guys are strange. X-Men Legends was the shit.

To be fair, the only one I've played recently was Ultimate Alliance 2. So I'm going off that. I played X-Men Legends as well, but that was a while ago. I thought more or less the same thing.
I used to love the Gauntlet Legends game for 64 when I was younger though. So that does make me strange.

As for other Marvel games, I'd like to give Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions a shot soon.

Me and the guys used to love clearing stages and upgrading our chosen characters, allocating items according to who needs the buff and so on.

I seriously feel sorry that you guys didn't get the same experience, it was a blast. Ultimate Alliance 2 missed the mark, but UA1 and especially XML2 were awesome. The biggest issue that plagued the series was a camera that was way too cramp. I always wanted it to be pulled out more.

Nah, it doesn't make you strange, I loved gauntlet and other games like it. Like I said, I think it was the characters not living up to their potential in the game, that made it boring for me.

The characters totally played as they should within the context of the general gameplay. Colossus could toss Wolverine for the Fastball Special. Jean Grey could hold enemies in place while Storm shocks them. Cyclops could knock down enemies with a wide variation of his Optic Blasts and Gambit could then pick up items (like chairs and debris) and throw them at downed enemies - and yes they were kinetically charged automatically.

Didn't even mention the strategic use of Ice Man teamed with Human Torch in UA1 yet. Something me and my buddy called "Icy Hot". Great times. The characters were well represented in the series.

pretty much considering im struggling to remember a movie that sam jackson ever played a ghetto character so you saying the new nick fury is too ghetto for you is based only on the fact that hes black

I am agreeing with Kalyx triaD on this one. Its a shame some of you guys didn't enjoy the games as much. While I agree that characters are very limited with their powers, I had a blast playing the games. UA 2 being the weakest of them all, still had its moments. I thought it was a step down from UA1.
It is fun matching the characters and coming up with dream teams and see how they do. I was specially a fan of team bonuses in the first one (I don't think they carried over to the second one..)

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Anime would be a lot better if they stayed on topic and didn't insist on using that shit music and having the characters stand around with their hair in the wind

It's an anime OP, and a damn good one.

It would actually be pretty awesome aside from that shit I said. I swear to god those 2 things are why I don't like anime.

Pretty sure you simply didn't find anime you liked. It's pretty varied nowadays.

I know a lot of people love anime, so I don't wish to be a negative nelly. I respect the art, and think some it's great.
It looks good. I just can't stand the overboard glorification of some of it. It's hard to describe why it irks me. There's a huge emphasis on making the simple over-dramatic. Characters seem to always be breathing heavily, or standing in the wind, and everything is supposed to be the most epic thing that's ever happened in the universe. Seems like everyone's either extremely happy or extremely angry/depressed. Like Cyclops standing there with his head down, like ugh. I can't put my finger on it. Way melodramatic and self-important. I'm not sure if pretentious is what it is, but it certainly feels that way. Emotions and importance seems more emphasised than even theatre.
Something about it bothers me.

Hmm... Anime's probably not for you, then. Some of the things you described are within anime DNA and if you don't square with it, I guess it's just not in the stars.

It's like how I feel about certain genres of games or movies. There's things I just don't dig that are integral to those styles of entertainment and me getting into it is unlikely.

It happens.

I haven't watched Avatar: The Last Airbender

Halfbreed anime-American animation style. And one of the most epic cartoons I seen. It has some of the hyper emotion of anime, but the pacing is closer to Western style. The action takes cues from anime, however. It's really a novel effort. Watch the series. The third season is worth it.

Scenario: Sniper on a roof.

Regular fiction: Normal and realistic.
Anime: Standing there on the ledge, in the wind, looking down at the ground pondering their entire existence as a human. Trying to seem stoic. Hair over their eyes, maybe smoking a cigarette.

Maybe it's just not for me. Or maybe it's just every bit of anime I've ever seen just happens to be that way.
Anime has always sorta depressed me too. Dunno why.

You may tolerate Ghost in the Shell more than usual anime.

Errrr, I dunno. There is a lot of pondering of the nature of existence in that. Human beings in machine bodies and AIs that gain self awareness and all that.

But I wouldn't call it hyper-emo or anything.

NIGGA WAT?

The guy talks like a gang leader, not special unit colonel.

Not emo at all, but the whole nature of the story is centered around where humanity ends and machine begins in a world where cyborgs are an everyday thing, machines are self aware and people can even have their minds live on in a machine or on the internet despite their body being long dead.

If it's not Jeri's bag, he might not enjoy it at all. I do see why you recommend it to him, since it doesn't do the usual crazy hair/chargin ma lazer/trying to look hardass thing that a lot of well known animes are kind of notorious for. It's actually one of my favourite manga/anime franchises.

Lol I don't want to make it seem like I don't like anything "ponderous" or emotional, or anything profound. I do. And I'm not above stories that take themselves as important. I don't tend to accuse things of being pretentious unless it strikes me that way.


I was trying to put into words the things I don't dig about anime. It's nothing story-wise. I love things like you mentioned, but I'm talking about how the art of anime tries too hard to evoke something in it's characters I'm just not into, or don't buy. It doesn't really have anything to do with the narrative.
It's just a style thing, and maybe I'll just never get past it. So I hope it doesn't seem like I'm directly opposed to anything "deep." Quite the opposite.

I want to watch Ninja Scroll. I probably won't like it, but I love ninjas and ninja stories, but there aren't really any good ninja movies in live action.

Yea, as I was saying in the other post it's not a content problem with me, it's a presentation thing.
I have no problems with a story like that. I love that stuff, really. I'm a huge science fiction fan and that sounds similar to lots of stories I love, from Harlan Ellison, to Philip K. Dick, and even Terminator or Matrix.

So if Ghost in a Shell is a great science fiction story, that's animated well and doesn't "overdo it" stylistically in the ways I dislike, I could very well love it.
I'll give it the old college try. Why not?

Ghost in the Shell is not emo at all. Also, the existentialism in Ghost is actually warranted, and integral to the story, as opposed to most anime, where it is just some cheap way to make a character appear deep. In Ghost, the Major really is deep.

So Jeri may still like it. It's my personal favorite.

MARVEL MOVIE NEWS

I think this tangent is just as warranted as waxing on the pigment of Nick Fury's skin, Sixx.
On days where there is no Marvel news to be had, I think tangents are acceptable.

Fair enough.

Carry on, then.

Samuel L. Jackson should be a part of the DC movies too. At this point, he's just a part of every franchise.
And it's pretty hilarious, because he's just himself now. Nick Fury and Mace Windu are essentially just Samuel L. Jackson in different costumes.
I think he's great though.

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The purple lightsaber is badass and anyone who doesn't think so can suck my peepee.

Palpatine, drop your mother fuckin lightsaber or I swear on the mother fuckin Force I will slay your ass.

Da force be mah bitch.

where have you seen sam jackson ever use the n word in a "ghetto" way?

how do they make ultimate fury sound ghetto?

sixx thinks he should have had the black lightsaber


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Yes. This. Also Jeri, this series is stylistically subdued for an anime. The worst you have to put up with is minimal CGI use for some vehicles and people with like robot eyes or purple hair due to being cyborgs.

Def watch the Ghost in the Shell anime movie, then Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex series, then GitS: SAC 2nd Gig, then GitS 3. Don't bother with the second movie.

There's a third movie? when the fuck did that happen?

Fuck, still havn't watched the series yet.

Have they made a third Vampire Hunter D yet? Bloodlust was awesome.

Back to skin color.

Why the fuck is a black guy (Idris Elba) playing a Norse god Heimdall?

Seriously, Norse god being black? This is ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure the Asgardians in this incarnation of Thor aren't even human, so skin color is a moot point, if it wasn't already.

And I imagine that pisses off all 5 of Heimdall's fanbase.

I'd be more concerned about Odin looking like a Babylon 5 character, if I was going to be hung up on any appearances.
I'll give the Ultimates approach a fair shake though. I guess I was just expecting a more Lord of the Rings/Gladiator look when they brought Kenneth Branagh on.

eh...I am on the fence about the whole racial issue of super heroes.
In one hand, I don't care at all. In the other hand, my inner mega fan boy is angry at the fact that they are not trying to be more accurate with the physical look of the character. I would rather see more films about kick ass black heroes such as Luke Cage(one of my all time favs), The Black Panther, Bishop or Deathlok instead of trying to fill racial quotas.

Yeah, def thought it would have a much more Shakespearean/Middle Earth feel to it. But I guess KB had to tone it down to keep in line with the entire movieverse. Still looks fucking awesome

Idris Elba is a pretty good actor, so I won't sweat it, but it is kinda WTF.

So are there already pics of Hopkins as Odin?

Hey Johnny Blaze!

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And where have you been, Sixx?

Trailer's been out for a while.

I don't think it's a big deal at all. I don't really view things like that. I can understand how people are purists about their characters though, and don't mean to be "racist" in complaining.

Even if comic companies intentionally incorporate or reappropriate races among characters, I don't really have an issue with that either. It's not like they're trying to call attention to it and distract from the stories. Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury isn't trying to "blacken" the character in a way that's unintentionally offensive and stupid. He's just Nick Fury, with a new look. I think that's more than fine.

The truth is, most of the iconic superheroes are white males because they were created in a time when the social climate was much different, and the creators probably felt pressured to make all of their heroes from a mold. As sad as it is, a non-white superhero probably wouldn't have been recieved well back then.
There have been some great characters that have come along over the years now that diversity is accepted and creators have more freedom.

Well Nick L Jackson Fury isn't a big deal because there are tons of crazier changes in other universes in Marvel. Zombieverse, Apeverse, etc. Hell, the Exiles encounter fucked up versions of characters all the time. Male Mystique for example.

Exactly.

Dunno. Just watched the Thor trailer ( no idea if there's only one or what ) and you can only see Odin for like a second. Wearing some crazy monocle or something.

Those particular characters may not be given the vote of confidence to have a full-length motion picture.
They tend to only make comic movies for the major superheroes, but it's evident that they're going to have to tap into the second tier characters soon because there simply aren't any major heroes left to make movies for.

I like the idea of 10 minute short films for characters like Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Dr. Strange.
They'd be attached to major films like Avengers or Iron Man 3, and start to familiarize the mainstream audience with these characters for potential full length features.

Thor has nearly a minute of screen time in the trailer. And there's pics of him in this thread, but I don't expect you to dig for them.

Also; pause the trailer. lol

That is a good idea, though I'd be more inclined to make tv series for characters like Black Panther and especially Bishop. Bishop has a bunch of solo comics that lend themselves well to tv series adaptations.

Why are you telling me about Thor's screen time?

Can you read? I was talking about Odin.

That idea isn't mine, btw. I read something about Marvel/Disney exploring that idea. Actually, they could attach them to non-Marvel Disney films too.

Whoops, I meant Odin.

Swap the names and the post stands, though.

Kinda like the micro episodes for the new Avengers series. Would love to see a well done live action Bishop series.

I love micro-episodes of anything. I wish every movie had a short film at the start of it. It's just such a great bonus.
I love how Pixar movies have a short film, and I love the fake trailers in Grindhouse. I just feel like I'm getting more entertainment, and if Marvel or even DC would start doing it I'd be thrilled.

Could you link me to the trailer, then?

The one I saw had like a second of Odin.

There's only one, 5min trailer, and you said you seen it.

He probably watched that Entertainment Tonight spot or something.