I liked it when I was younger, and it was popular.

It reality it was poorly done, and it doesn't hold up. It really annoys me how I use to run down stairs on Saturday mornings to watch it. Take my word for it.

I've seen them recently. In fact I watched a slew of X-Men and Spidey episodes a week or so ago. I know exactly what you're talking about. I can understand why you say they suck and in many ways you're right, but I don't see how you can possibly write them off and not X-Men. Same thing.

I get that, but DC was able to do it very well. They had a really great team working on these things. Why wasn't marvel able to do the same thing?

X-Men has some good stories. Maybe I am being generous towards X-men, but it is def better then the other shows mentioned. It's marvel's best cartoon of the 90's.

The thing I like most about the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons (aside from nostalgia) is that they stay very close to the comic artwork of that time, and follow a lot of storylines from the comics.
The newer cartoons seem to all have their own stylized looks, and create their own stories. That's all well and good for cartoons. I don't really watch any of them, but I kind of dig the "authenticity" of those 90s toons.
X-Men and Spidey mostly. Even as a huge marvel fan I kind of knew Iron Man, F-4 and Silver Surfer were shitty cartoons.

Probably the same reason it took Marvel much longer to start making quality live-action films: They didn't have Warner Bros.
DC is owned by WB, and that has tremendous resources when it comes to television and animation.
The Batman show was definitely awesome. One of the greatest cartoons ever and it's recognized as such. That was the exception I was referring to.

Marvel probably just wanted to get their properties out there on TV. The teams probably weren't as good. I know the company distributing them forced them to tone it down on Spider-Man too. So that didn't help.

Don't even remember the Silver Surfer cartoon but fuck, Iron Man and Fantastic Four were terrible.

Let's deconstruct children's cartoons as adults! That makes a lot of sense!

You're late Kalyx

I read that. I read everything.

Most of the 90's cartoons were watered down and censored to hell. Comparing them the cartoons of now, they're pretty "mediocre" and dated.

I still haven't seen that Avengers cartoon. Looked pretty fun. I checked for it on demand but it wasn't there

It makes perfect sense to me.

The new Avengers? There's a bunch of minisodes on YouTub-

OH SHIT I FORGOT

Which is fine by me.

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I love when Red Skull sports full on fatigues rather than just a grey jumpsuit

So the Avengers show has started and episodes are on youtube. I've only seen the first two but it's awesome.

I'm sure you all actually knew that and have been debating it. I couldn't really decide while sifting through all the "debate". But yeah, mini-eps were a good start - but have nothing on the actual show so far.

Looks shopped.

Still fucking epic though.

It's not shopped. It's the latest issue.

Pictures from inside that magazine: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=29150

I know. It looks shopped in a post production sense. Heavily edited. That's not new to mags but I was just sayin, seems overboard this time.

I'm pumped for Captin America and The Avengers movie after seeing Iron Man 2.

I kind of think The Avengers movie probably won't be that good however. Either way I want to see it.

Red SKull with the hydra symbol, fucking excellent!

I'm not too crazy about Red Skull being part of HYDRA, but I guess they wouldn't be able to get away with him being an all-out Nazi on a kid-friendly show, so I guess it works.

Really like what they did with Captain America and Bucky.

(EDIT: wait, sorry, thought you meant in the Avengers cartoon)

Nope. Meant the movie shot.

RDJ loves the Avengers script.

How about Kevin Smith? When Kevin Smith loves shit it usually ends up being good.

So I was reading something about "Thor" and Kenneth Branagh said that Odin is Master of the Marvel Universe. Or it was something like that... Is that true?

Is Odin really the most powerful person in the Marvel universe?

Don't think he got to it yet. I trust Tony Stark, though.

Hell no. Maybe he's referring to the movie-verse? Eh, what does Kenneth know about Marvel.

This was the comment.

There is more, but the rest is some spoiler or something. You can view it on Thor's triva page on imdb. Last thing on page.

Yeah it probably is just the movie version, but it doesn't really sound like that.

Well I guess from a character stand point Odin would be the most powerful character so far in the new movie-verse, he's not wrong. In the 616 sense we know there are crazy powerful characters in the universe, but who knows which of them will get the live action treatment, or even retain their power level after the fact (looking at Phoenix in X3).

Any hints on who's going to be the antagonist in Avengers?

It will have to be good, because you're having 4 huge superheroes team up. They need to be going against a threat that warrants that. It should also be a fresh villain for all of them, and not just someone from one of the other films or even a counter-team up. I think it would be good for them to be taking on Hulk in the first act, to get him under control of his transformation and recruit him. But then they need a big advesary for the final 2 acts.
I would like it to be Thanos.

Yeah, almost certain Hulk will initially get them together for a test team up. But as far as the big villain... We know Loki will have some hand in this, so there's a cosmic angle. Thanos would be good, but almost too out there (although there's an Infinity Gauntlet easter egg in Thor). Something tells me this will be mostly Earth bound.

Eh, these movies are out there enough that they could bring in an "alien" threat though. They could sort of tone down or change Thanos around enough for it to work.
I don't think it would be that out of place. It's not like a Nolan type deal.

My main concern is just something big enough to really deliver on the team-up. Cap, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor charging at something together will be incredible, but it has to be something that can kick all four of their asses.

Shi-Arr Empire with Gladiator?

How about Mandarin? Do you think they'd use him for Avengers, or save him for an Iron Man movie?

I think they'll save him for Iron Man, though he could easily be a handful for the Avengers. Also, hopefully, some big in-fighting would be awesome. For the love of god have Thor take a swing at Tony. He'll want to. Maybe say that epic line when he returned after Civil War ("One of us is a God of Thunder, the other...").

EPIC

We better get some Hulk Buster armor. That's a fucking requirement.

What if Thanos' arrival was set to be some big other-worldly threat (in 2012), and SHIELD knew it was coming, and that's why they were in a hurry to get The Avengers assembled?
They could play the Thanos situation as a global event.

Maybe Red Skull knew the deal as well, having that Cosmic Cube and all. There's no hint that he'd return in Avengers, though.

Sure those mystic items will factor in the greater scheme of things.

Where does the Infinity Gauntlet end up after it's appearance in Thor, and could it be a macguffin for the film? Like the Ark in Raiders.
Thanos and The Avengers not only fighting, but in a race to find it first. Obviously Thanos would, and the Avengers would have to stop him.
We know SHIELD was looking for Thor's hammer, but why not the Infinity Gauntlet before Thanos arrived and claimed it?
Maybe it could be lost in a place like Egypt or South America after the events of Thor. I don't want to keep coming back to the 2012 thing, but maybe it ended up in the possession of the Mayans after Asgard?
I'm not sure where Asgard is in the historical timeline.

Either way I think any of that would be an interesting angle. I want to see Thanos, and that's the best scenario I can think of.

How about Kang the Conqueror?

Kang would be good too. As long as it's a heavy hitter.

Martin fucking Sheen as Uncle Ben in the Spidey reboot.

And Sally Field as aunt May.

For some reason I think she fits the role, even though I hate her face.

"You like me! You really like me!"

So why was Nick Fury changed to look like Samuel L. Jackson? Was it because of all the upcoming movies?

Which are based on Ultimate Nick Fury, whose appearance was based on Samuel L. Jackson.

He's looked like that for nearly a decade in the Ultimate comics line. It was a big deal but in a cool, 'fresh' way.

Why did they do that though? Do they even use the original look of Nick Fury anymore?

Marvel 616 Fury is the same guy you know. As for Sam Jackson Fury... if I remember correctly the creators simply believed Sam Jackson was badass. No social political message or anything like that.

Does this bother you in any way?

Also Fignuts, you seem to be the resident Captain America fan. What Captain America story should I read?

I don't really need the origin story

Check out the current series by Ed Brubaker. There is a massive Omnibus available.

All this talk of who will be the Avengers antagonist, and you guys haven't even mentioned their ach nemesis in the comics.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/253926-8...tron_large.jpg


Ultron FTW

No not at all. I was just curious as to why the changes. I thought the original Nick Fury was stale and they need to somehow bolster sales or something like that. Also the thought of not having a popular black hero character also sprung to mind.

Start with Winter Soldier and go from there.

In my view, Fury's never around enough to be stale. When he comes around business picks up. I think DC wants to use Amanda Waller in a similar way.

No, see they made this alternate universe, and released titles like ultimate x-men, and ultimate spider-man. It is a whole different marvel universe, seperate from the one you know. Idea was to retell the popular characters' origins in a modern day setting.

Anyway, most characters get a redesigned look, and they modeled fury after Samuel L. Jackson.

Alright fascinating. So this new X-men movie is based on this ultimate universe? Same with Spider-man?

That's a new Captain America isn't it? I want some semi older stuff with Steve Rodgers. Is that his name? I think so.
I shall look these up.

aka hot and sexy and not fat?

Brubaker started with Cap when Steve Rogers was behind the mask. And definitely the whole Winter Soldier run.

Pretty much everything Brubaker did was Captain America was golden, so definitely check it out! :y:

The one I mentioned is the same that Lockjaw is talking about. Rogers is still cap. It's not until later that there is a new cap. Happens around the seventh trade.

Not sure about the X-Men one, but I think the Spider-Man one is. I actually really liked Ultimate Spider-Man, and ones of it's main selling points is the dialogue, which usually takes precendence over the action.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the new Spider-Man film is based in high school or something, that it's more based on the Ultimate comics.

As mentioned above with the Ultimate universe making differences, such as with Nick Fury, other include that Gwen Stacy was killed by Carnage, and Mary Jane finds out about Pete's identity after a couple of weeks, instead of years.

Well there's that, and she's appearing in Green Lantern. Across the board she's been used more, like her well received stint in Smallville. It's unlikely she'll be used as a unifying card for a movie-verse, as DC/WB aren't looking into that (shame).

A DC Movie-Verse :rofl:

I imagine they'll get around to it... eventually...

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/ist...94929288.1.GIF

Saw this at the store today, and flipped through it. Looked pretty good. Seems like a follow up to Maximum Carnage, as some of the players from that are in this issue. Artwork is all painted and really amazing. Carnage is pretty crappy character, but good writing can make a good read out of any character. And carnage has at least always looked cool, and he looks awesome with this art.

Is this the same artist from the Venom/Carnage story where Toxin was born?

Cool cover btw.

I think Carnage is interesting when portrayed as a huge threat. The premise of a straight up serial killer gaining super powers and being thrown into the mix with all of these comic characters was a good concept.

I thought Maximum Carnage was great (though I was much younger when I read it. I'd like to again), but I have heard others say the same as you about his character going nowhere. Apparently it just became really one dimensional and boring?
Anyways, I still always liked his presence and I think he could be written well, like you say.

Carnage is coming back in the above series, but not as we know him/it. For starters...

Well they could easily start one, since Green Lantern and a Superman reboot are due.
The involvement of Batman is the problem. Nolan doesn't want his series in any way connected to the same universe where a Superman and GL exist, and I tend to agree with him.

But Nolan and Bale will be done with the series come 2012, and I'm sure DC will almost immediately start looking at their options for re-casting Batman and either continuing or rebooting the series under a new director.

I wouldn't be suprised to see that Batman tied in with the GL and Superman franchises that will already be into their sequels.
And they'll eventually make a Wonder Woman movie too, for better or worse.

Personally, I think crossing GL and Superman over into eachother's movies would be fun, but I'm not too enthusiastic about seeing them tied up with Batman or the rest of JLA at all.
I'd rather see them do something entirely new with Batman in the wake of Nolan. Adapting and filming some graphic novels, and taking a more live-action comic book approach would be interesting. Something like Arkham Asylum or Dark Knight Returns filmed in the style of Watchmen or Sin City.
They're obviously gonna want to keep making Bat movies, but starting a traditional style movie series that soon after wouldn't be nearly as interesting as something we haven't seen attempted yet.

Sorry, this is too hype.

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It's hilarious how Robert Downey Jr. just plays Tony Stark as himself. So it's like he's just always in character

that is a really badass picture of Ultron

Well the Iron Man scripts were treated as guidelines that the actors pretty much winged it on, so it's believable that Robert was pretty much himself in the movies. That's cool and kinda warped.

I know. Him acting like himself is perfect for Tony Stark. I just think it's funny to see him being Stark in real life.

Ultron would be better for a sequel, if they have any plans of introducing Vision.

Is there any word on whether the Ant-Man movie is gonna be "in the universe"? I know he's not gonna be in the first Avengers movie, but perhaps the next one?

Ah man another year and a half, :(

Looks fucking good though, awesome cast and the Avengers logo at the end looked sweet.

So fucking pumped for this film!

It sure as fuck bothers me.

Way too drastic of a look change.

Changing character's race all of a sudden makes absolutely no sense.

It's in a seperate "universe" though. It's not like he just woke up one morning black and bald. It's the Ultimate reboots.

I'm pretty confused with all the comic book series you got going in the USA.

Ultimate is a completely different universe? I thought it was more like just another fancy name for a new series.

But hey, black and bald was one Fury's disguises in the Secret Invasion.

Yea look at it that way. He had extreme plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures to change his appearance, because people were onto him.

The only thing I have a problem with having an alternate universe is it's basically a cop out. It's basically you have very few ideas left so mke another universe entriely different. Lets keep the old universe around in case we get a few ideas along the way. This way they crank out more stories and we don't have do worry about affecting anything.

It is kind of fun, and does seem like the majority of Marvel fans enjoy this Ultimate universe. So it's all good.

As stupid as this sounds, this already happenned in Punisher after Jigsaw cut him in prison or something.

Dunno, I thought that at first, but the more I thought about it, the more ways I could see him being the villain in the first movie. With Loki having a part in it, it could even be him that gives Ultron his mind and intelligence, since man hasn't been able to achieve the level of A.I. that Ultron has. It's not like Utron is some mindless robot. He is a self aware organism, with his own personality and everything.

Plus, like I said, he is THE avengers villain. Moreso than Dr. Doom or Kang even.

Kang is way too ridiculous btw. You think him being a purple headed invader was stan lee's idea of a joke?

It's more about giving freedom to the writers. In the regular universe, you have all these restrictions based on the history of the character, and where they are going in the future. For the major titles, writers have to talk to quesada, the editor in chief to clear certain stories, and they even have big meetings to discuss these things.

With ultimate, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Makes for some good reading. Plus, I don't get where you are saying they made it because they are out of ideas. It's not like they cancelled the regular universe. It's still going on, and there are new stories and ideas for the characters every month.

Also, the Ultimate Universe came out when all the big Marvel movies were starting to get made. Films like Blade, X-Men and Spider-Man brought a lot of attention to Marvel Comics, and the Ultimate line was a great way of starting from the beginning so new fans don't have to worry about 40 years of backstory.

And as mentioned above somewhere, it gave the writers a chance to reimagine all the origins in a mordern setting.

Although since then, some projects have become hybrids of the Ultimate and 616 universe. For example in the X-Men Legends games, some characters have their Ultimate costumes whilst others have 616.

That's game stuff though, a lot more leeway there.

Still stupid, and one of the reasons I disliked those games.