Supposedly the Dolphins bought film that had audio of Tom Brady's signals..

LOL

You fucking lost.. Get over it..

Gotta cheat to beat the Pats :shifty:

LOL at Hester possibly getting nothing but a pro bowl invite for his record-breaking season. Fuck, watching that video, he has crazy vision. He should line up at HB sometimes.

What do you mean nothing but a pro bowl invite? What else should he get? He is a kick returner (and only a punt returner until two weeks ago) who has broken a few big ones. I don't think he is more deserving than others for rookie of the year or any shit like that.

I think he has averaged like 14.5 yards per punt return, I guess a few of his longer returns skew that average but still...pretty ridiculous.

I dunno about MVP or any of that shit, I could see him getting Defensive Rookie of the Year though.

Also Joey Sluggs, I'd like to add to your last line...if anyone says anything negative about Bears... just flip out about it.

I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.

Well he just started playing defense recently, but I think he'd be pretty deserving of the defensive award just because of his work in the kick/punt return game.

I'd say its gonna come down to him or DeMaco Ryans...or maybe AJ Hawk but I really haven't heard TOO much about Hawk, but I do know he plays like every down so maybe.

Vince Young has single handly won a few games this year too though, but I don't see why Bush, Young and Hester can't all be canidates. They all are, it's not like one guy is head and shoulders above the rest (Well Hester is gonna be a canidate for a defensive, while Bush and Young will be offensive but you get the point)

One of his returns was a ridiculous FG return for a TD when basically the entire Giants team just fell asleep so he would not have broken the record if it wasn't for that. And I think it's safe to assume that at least a couple of his returns were more luck/blown coverage/good blocking than him making it happen completely on his own. AGAIN I am acknowledging that he IS really good obviously but I am not going to start sucking his dick saying he is the most amazing rookie I have ever seen like everyone else is doing. If he returns a couple more by the rest of the season/playoffs though, I will start calling him Superman and admit I am wrong but not yet.

Yes.

I dunno everyone sucked Dante Hall's dick a few years back

Oh, you mean "The Human Joystick" Dante Hall?

Michael "Beerman" Lewis

Michael "Beerman" Stima

Terrance " I got nothing " Wilkins.

Be pretty funny if the guy the Texans drafted in the 2nd round got DROY while the guy they drafted in the 1st gets no mention :$

As far as OROY Young is really coming up fast. For me it's about the impact a player makes on the team, Colston has done really well but the Saints have shown they can still play well without him and put up points - right now Young as a starter has a winning record, with the freaking TITANS. That deserves some serious praise.

To be honest I was going to say that although I think Hester is good but I don't think he is anything terribly special but figured it wasn't worth the idiotic backlash that would be given.

Of that one video that was posted in this thread with Hester's returns, only one really impressed me, the one I think against the Vikings where he was dead to rights but escaped like 4 defenders. I'm with Trips on the whole Giants one, they played poor football on that play and even then no one on a field goal team is going to catch the guy, they are all lineman and LB's.

Hester is good but isn't that "wow" type impressive to me.

I dunno, if it is so easy to return this kicks I don't get why it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to get "lucky" that many times. I can see you not thinking what he has done is worthy of Rookie of the Year, but saying he has no "wow" factor is pretty dumb.

Records are broken on a weekly basis..

Yeah seriously, the guy is awesome and you can't doubt that.

But the fact remains, there's no way he should be considered for offensive, defensive ROY or MVP. He just shouldn't. Mainly because he only plays special teams. And to say he plays defense is like saying Brad Johnson plays Quarterback. Sure, he's there on the field, but if you had someone better you'd probably put him in.

I'm not knocking the guy, I'm knocking the system that has no love for special teamers outside of the Pro Bowl. Maybe it's time they came out with, to a lesser extent, Special Teams rookie of the year.

And yeah, MVP would be fucking hilarious when you're on the same planet as Ladanian Tomlinson...

Didn't Reggie Bush break a rookie TD record when he scored 4 on one game??

Let me go find some videos of him in college..

:y:

So you are saying it wasn't him by himself, but good blocking by the entire KR team that helped him tie the record??

Kinda proves the point..

First off, that Miami runback was fucking absurd. Not luck, not blocking, just a guy who should gain 15 pounds and play HB.


On the other hand, it was against Duke. Didn't Duke have the longest losing streak in history recently? Dunno... It's not too hard to run through the arm tackles of a bunch of white lacrosse playing rapists.

Second off, back to that "luck and blocking" thing. No no no. People get blocks all the time. And returners usually make the mistake of thinking "I gotta get past this guy," rather than thinking "I Gotta get past the next 5 guys and score a TD."

If you pay close attention to Hester's runbacks, he's not just running scattershot all over the field (except against Duke, which means he CAN he just doesn't usually). He has ridiculous vision for where the running lane will open up, and once he sets his shoulders, he's unstoppable. That's why I think he should be a HB. Run him out of the shotgun so he can view the field, he'll be unstoppable. Even on a WR screen play now and then... or a reverse. Wickeddddddd.

Almost..

Some record is tied/broken atleast 6 weeks a year..

Baronas' two FG's
LT's TD's
Bush Rookie Recieving Yards
Saints Score 42 in Dallas

etc etc etc

This happens every year..

*cough*Joseph Addai*cough*

Yeah but he's no MVP..

Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material..

Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis..

He is nothing new..

I gotta say, this one is different.

It's nothing compared to LT's TDs, but on the other hand, that record is not even a year old yet. Hahaha Shaun Alexander is gonna come out next year and freak out. He's probably going to kill a safety on the way to a TD trying to get his record back.

I think the Giants thing was a fluke. It was bad play, it was a great playcall, the coach called something out to make the Giants think it was done, it was pretty good blocking, and a nice runback. Those things are pretty, but you can't judge a guy's season on one return. I mean, fuck, he's had 5 more for you to scrutinize. Try them. He was sick in college, he was drafted too high, and is absurd on the pro level. He deserves props. But like I said, who gives a fuck about special teams?

O_o

It is an NFL record.. Just because it's specific to one stadium doesn negate that..

I'm just saying, you are acting like just because he broke a record, everyone should be on his jock.. As I said, records are broken all the time.. The game/players are just getting better..

And neither of them broke the record. Hmmm....

He might not be anywhere near MVP "material" but he has done just as much for this team as any another top guy in the league. He scores touchdowns and puts his team in a better position to win.

Last time I checked... that's what the MVP award was all about.

So stop downplaying what this kid is doing.

He said "talked about like we are right now."

Because that's all he gets. A trip to Honolulu, maybe half a dozen "special team player of the week" awards, and lots of smoke blown up his ass.

The guy can't even get drafted on fantasy leagues. LOL. That's like being the best assistant coach in the NFL right there. You just have to deal with it, and be glad you're giving your team points/wins...

I believe Joe Nathan of the Twins got a vote or two for MVP in baseball... He's a closer. That's pretty much what Hester is. So he should get 1-2 votes, compared to Tomlinson's 300 votes, so you're right, he should be in consideration. Just not SERIOUS consideration. Do you agree there?

I mean, when you play for the Bears, you're going to see a lot more punts than any other guy in the league.

lol

What's that smell??

Kinda metallic..

Like iron..

The Vikings ran back a punt, kick off, and a int last year, for the first time in NFL history, and I don't hear Beans crying because no one cares..

That's because *I* know that was fucking sick.

Also, because Michael Bennett also ran the ball 16 times for 11 yards and Brad Johnson is trash, and the Vikings are a horrible, horrible team.

So I have no right to talk.

BUT LOL@ last year's Giants.

But... yea you gotta give it to Sean Payton for knowing how to play against the team he used to coach. Like Gruden vs the Raiders.

Anyway, yeah, the record is an old record and people are being groomed to be full-time returners, yet nobody -- Hall, Lewis, Darrell Green, Brian Mitchell, that Lions guy from back in the day, none of them ever broke the record.

Also, look at individual records.

I don't see why breaking a record matters. If he had one less TD return I would still think the same of Hester. Like when Manning broke the TD record, it was pretty cool and all but if he had like 3 less TDs my opinion of him wouldn't have changed.

Like I said, everyone was on Hall's dick before but nobody mentioned him for an MVP - at the sametime though Hester is a lot better of a returner then Hall was. Hester is probably going to go down as one of the best returners ever, as long as he doesn't get hurt or something. I'm not just basing this off this year either, check out some of his tapes from The U. Personally I don't think Hester should be considered for the NFL MVP, I mean yeah what he is doing is important but a lot of guys are doing things just as important. Plus, I don't really like the whole MVP thing anyway since it is real subjective about what is suppose to be about, what you have to do to get it etc. Like some people think it should go to the best player, others think it should go the player who helps his team the most, but in the end, it pretty much just goes to the offensive player with the most impressive stats.

I am all for Hester being a canidate for Defenisve Rookie of the Year though

See, I remember in Hall's crazy ass season he got some MVP consideration... again, not serious, because how serious can that be? But the "X-Factor" definitely made some noise.

As I said, even Joe Nathan got a vote or two in the MLB MVP voting... just to be mentioned in the same breath as the big boys should be enough of an award for Hester.

He was comparing me to you, because you think Hester deserves more credit.

I think the fact that he's on everybody's "PLAY OF THE YEAR" list should be credit enough.

I think it's because nobody likes you. I'm willing to overlook my personal feelings, because I know you're just a typical Bears fan and can't help how you are.

Objectively, you can't deny that 6 TDs is fucking insane.

What would you think if Hester ran another one back this week? See, those types of plays ( the type he does ) are backbreaking momentum changing plays. Some of those run backs have come at the perfect time to swing games in favor of Chicago. I'm pretty sure Chicago has won every game he's returned one in. Even that Vikings return was huge, that game was horrible and neither QB could make a first down. I think it was either zip/zip or zip/6 or something, but once he returned that punt, it was over for the Vikings.

I know its a stretch, but lets see how everyone feels if he runs back another.

I don't even know why this is an argument when Ted Ginn is just gonna break the record in a year or two anyway.

Also Jesus Christ I can't believe I've never seen that punt return against Duke before. That was impressive even if it was against a JV high school team.

I feel you there, sTiMa doesn't like me :( and it really breaks my heart, but whatever, I don't act this way IRL so whatever.

And I think the correlation between Chicago wins and Hester runbacks might be overrated when you've only lost 2 games... It's kind of the law of averages... Lots of runbacks, lots of wins. :dunno:

And if you guys make the Superbowl, and face the Chargers, he will never get a chance to return punts... he'll only have several chances at returning the Kickoff after a LT TD for his big run-back. :wave:

He had more then just one run back meng, plus he is a better returner then Ginn so I dunno about Ginn breaking his record.

I like Ginn alot, but i think once he gets in the pro's, it'll take one major hit on special teams for him to tighten up like a dolphins asshole.

lol come on man even I was "semi-defending" you but lets get serious. You are acting like the record stood for 135 years. Plenty of records get broken back to back (Pretty sure LT just broke Alexander's one year old TD record...no?)

Also when I was in a HS, a kid on my team broke the career scoring record my senior year (which stood for 53 years) then the next year some other kid broke it so it can happen. Granted it was high school, its still football.

Stima's "Most penalty yards in one game " record still stands to this day.

How on earth did he get an unnecessary roughness flag on that play? He graduated two years ago!!!

LOL Says the guy who is arguing a kick returner should be the MVP..

You know for a fact that if Hester played for someone eles, you would not be on his jock like you are..

Oh and I was not saying "The Bears" would be crying about anything.. I am saying you are crying because everyone is not on Devin Hester's cock..

Thing is, no one is acting like it's nothing.. You are making a huge deal about it.. As we've been saying, there have been several impressive kick returners in the past few years.. As a "superfan" I know that.. You are questioning everyone eles' knowledge and how big of fans we are, just because no one is wanking to highlight reels of him.. He's good, just not seman worthy..

Also, a record is a record.. I could care less..

Dante Hall > Hester

Anyone > Any Broncos returner besides Rod Smith

Like I said the guy is good, I'm not disputing if he is deserving of any awards but I guess I don't get that "wow" from him. I remember the play against Duke in college which was sick. The cat has skills, I'm not denying that.

And on the Giants play, yeah it was bad football, half the Giants were walking off the damn field until they realized what was happening. The Bears did demolish the only guys that got in the way though.

I don't mind seeing the Bears win and Hester is undoubtedly a big part of that. I don't know if Grossman is going to be able to play well down the stretch though.

I remember quite a few plays in which Dante Hall ran the complete opposite direction, and the Chiefs blockers got away with several illegal blocks. Hester's runs are almost always clean.

And Hall hasn't done it in years. What happened to him?

That play pisses me off not because Denver lost because of it, but because I have NO idea how you can miss so many easy block in the back calls.

Also, one of the Cheifs, after laying a block on the punter stood over him and taunted/celebrated said block. Come on now, seriously. Congratulations on laying out the weakest guy on the team (then Micah Knorr)

Dante Hall's returns where pieces of shit. He got away with so much shit since he was the "human joystick" and everyone sucked his cock and wanted to see a return.

I disagree and I think you are down playing what Hester has done. I don't know why some of you are trying to down play it or care all that much. The guy is an amazing kick returner and it's as simple as that. Should he be considered for any awards? Sure. Should he win any awards? Maybe. I just don't understand why some of you are trying to down play this. Yeah records are broken all the time but this is a 35 year old record. It's not something that should be pushed aside. Look at the highlights, this guy is ridiculous.

Why don't they have a Special Teams Player of a Year anyway? They have the Special Teams Player of the Month and all that.

Alright Krispy, I am too lazy to change the avatar so I just changed the custom title. This is 4908530948543 worse anyway.

Because "player of the month" is meaningless, and a "player of the year" would be, too. Except they'd expect some kind of ceremony about it, and in a year where nobody makes big returns, who wins? Rob Bironas? Special Teams Ace Larry Izzo? Or the first-ever linebacker Punt Coverage gunner, Leon Joe?

It's nice in theory, but the last three years, there has been Eddie Drummond and that Bills guy... and while they were the best, it's not like they had a lot of competition.

In the future, I think it will change. I think Hester has shown the NFL that you NEED a return man, even if you have to reach to get him. It will open the door for more pure athletes to enter the draft, and saturate the market for returners. Hester to me seems like the next Antonio Gates, completely changing the game. In turn, that will force teams to spend a lot more money on special teams, and keep their starters in on ST coverage.

Shit, I forgot to use the analogy I had for "Special Teams Player of the Year."

It's like how the Academy Awards has awards for, like, "Best Female Vocal Lead in a Foreign Comedy or Musical Animated Short Film."

Nobody cares. It's still an Oscar, and I bet if the people of TPWW put their heads together, we could EASILY win an Oscar or a Grammy. I mean, Spoken-word albums? Gospel? Some of the categories are so desperately thin, it just makes me wonder why anyone wants to win the "big" ones, when their bagel boy could win an award for "Best Food Service Assistant for a Movie."

YOU KNOW?

AlphaBean, if they end up doing what you think with the kick returner thing..in true NFL fashion I bet they totally ignore football speed and just try to find the fastest guy possible. They've been doing it for wide recievers for years (Bethal Johnson?)

Well, you could give it to a kicker or punter or something as well. I could see a huge variety for candidates for most years.

The Texans did work out that track star guy after all...

And the Vikings DID draft Michael Bennett and Troy Williamson...

lol, and now Bethel Johnson is our best KR and deep threat. :lol:

And who the fuck would want to see a Kicker or Punter winning any type of award? They don't do anything. Just having a job in the NFL should be enough reward for them to be happy. It's extremely fleeting.

Just look at the most accurate kicker of all time. Go ahead, look at him. Where did he go?

That would be so awesome if Justin Gatlin signed with some team. If I were the Texans, since they blew BOTH Reggie Bush and Vince Young, iI would put him on the team in a heartbeat.

I was just gonna get you to use my avatar, but whatever..

Who Dat??

ROFL @ when Drew Brees said "Who Dat" in the post-game interview. He's such a white guy.

Not to try to split hairs because I've seen the play you're talking about and yeah its BS, but I would wager illegal blocks and to a great degree holding happens on every play. Its just a matter of whether or not players get caught. I do however think its quite ridiculous when blatant penalties get the no call.

Happened in the Giants game this past weekend, I don't know if anyone saw it here but Tim Carter was under cut the receiver in a diving motion to catch the ball and the defender was falling backwards, and as he did grabbed onto Carter's arm and started to pull it as he fell. Carter dropped the pass as a result. The referee was standing 10 yards away at a perfect angle to see the penalty...no flag. Such bullshit.

Having a live NFL game every Thursday is beginning to gradually ruin the NFL, especially when it's on a network that I don't even fucking get anymore. What are they thinking here?

You know what it is? The gamblers. They're going to have a game every day of the week on "national" TV so the addictive gamblers can bet on more games.

Sopcast, duuuuude. Watching that shit right now. Sucks. You're not missing anything at all.

I do indeed have SopCast and am watching the game on SopCast at the moment. But why would I want to watch a game on the internet, especially on a low quality, half-sized screen? What is that?

"Seahawks looking to keep the dream alive -drive alive."
"I knew it was drive, not dream."


LOL, fire him already

Better than nothing is what it is. Though for this particular game, not much better. Shit's nice to have when you're the fan of a team in another state though. I live in Texas, so getting a Bronco game when we have the Texans and Cowboys isn't likely. And watching a small, shitty stream is a lot better than reading the play-by-play on NFL.com or something.

The thing is they shouldn't be having games on Thursday every week anyway. I like it at the end of the season when they have a couple of games on Saturday or whatever, but starting at week 10 to play games on Thursday just messes everything up.

This has been a horrible season for NFL telecasts actually. I like the way NBC presents the game, but everything feels so different this year, and I do not like that.

Not to mention I have to watch the Dallas Cowboy game on UPN this Saturday. That's repulsive.

It's on UPN but its just the telecast of NFL network

Yeah, I agree with you on the Thursday game thing. I liked how last year the last few weeks they had a couple games on Saturday, but on channels like CBS and FOX.

Sucks about the UPN thing though. I remember the last Cowboy game I watched on UPN(or WB) a couple years ago. Hated everything about it presentation wise. If I remember rigth, Cowboys got shut out or something, like, 41-0 by the Raiders. Preseason though.